zarberg: In the same 36 hour period Romney has said it's a tax so it's constitutional, but it wasn't a tax when he did it, and he sides with the minority SCotUS feelings, but agrees with the majority SCotUS decision.

Holy farking shiat, that's some serious contortion.

If this guy were any phonier, there would be blade runners chasing him.

Hastor: Sabyen91: Gwyrddu: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.

I think his dot should encompass all points...and points that aren't measured.

The really sad part is this isn't that much of an exaggeration. In the span of 3 days Romney has gone from 'an individual mandate is not a tax - it's a penalty' to 'the individual mandate is a tax' to 'Obama's individual mandate is a tax but my mandate was a penalty'.

Honestly is there a stance he could take on this that he hasn't occupied in the last couple days? He's trying to have his cake, eat it, and claim to be on a diet all at the same time.

Here ya go:



For accuracy, Mitt Romney's speckles cover everything on the board except that occupied by Obama's dot. I think that best defines Romney's postion(s).

Surool: So, who's running that f*cking clown's campaign anyway. What a moron.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [pic80.picturetrail.com image 418x520]



/Mine, but didn't realise there was another.
//There can never be too many, though.

Winning!

Headso: Ball Sack Obama: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 502x323]

"I repeat: not a single dime."

/lol

funny how the "conservative" image memes always have branding and web addresses all over them.

"I repeat: not a single dime."

/lol

Surool: So, who's running that f*cking clown's campaign anyway.

fracto73: I don't think the discussion of an Obama promise is off topic. He and I just disagree and are standing our ground.

Everybody HIT THE DECK!

skullkrusher: AverageAmericanGuy: skullkrusher: BO promised not to raise taxes on those families earning under $250k. The mandate is a tax and it is new. He signed the bill. Ergo, broken promise.

It's a penalty, not a tax.

oh then it's probably unconstitutional.

Someone should really let the Supreme Court know this.

Deep thoughts with skullkrusher.

Sock Ruh Tease: NateGrey: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 626x485]

This looks shopped. I can tell by the speech bubble coming out of the briefcase. Conservative briefcases don't talk! Liberal briefcases are all like, "Feed me moar welfare money" and such as.


Of course there is a bubble. That briefcase is so full of free speech that a little is spilling out.

Who cares what Mitt Romney's position is on anything? It's always a) the opposite of Obama's and 2) whatever appeals to the repub base at the moment. Come to think of it, that's the official repub attitude on every issue, so I guess Romney's not that far out of touch after all. How else can you scream for poor people to have "skin in the game" by paying more taxes, then complain about what is, essentially, a tax on poor people?

Aesop - The Ant and the Grasshopper

In a field one summer's day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart's content. An Ant passed by, bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the nest.

"Why not come and chat with me," said the Grasshopper, "instead of toiling and moiling in that way?"

"I am helping to lay up food for the winter," said the Ant, "and recommend you to do the same."

"Why bother about winter?" said the Grasshopper; "We have got plenty of food at present." But the Ant went on its way and continued its toil.

President Beetle ordered that Grasshopper must store up food for the winter. "No!" said the Ant. "If Grasshopper wants to not store up food and die of starvation, that is his decision. You cannot force your unfair tax on me by making him pay more."

And that fall, during the presidential election, Ant voted for Cockroach.

Fluorescent Testicle: Expolaris: Mitt has taken a quantum political stance, the Schrodinger position. One only a highly advanced political robot such as himself could maintain, as it would break our poor meaty bodies in trying to do so.

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You just got favorited as 'Quantum Testicle'.

1) Obama doesn't have the power to raise taxes
2) SCOTUS said it's a tax and that it is constitutional.
3) Suck it.

A duck walks into a bar and quacks to the bartender "Do you have duck food"?

The bartender says "No, we don't," and the duck walks out of the bar.

Next day, the same duck comes in and quacks "Do you have duck food?"

The bartender, impatiently, says "No, of course not. I told you that yesterday!"

Third day, the duck walks in, quacks "Do you have Duck food?".

Exasperated, the bartender says "No! for the last time NO. WE DO NOT HAVE DUCK FOOD! This is a bar, not a duck farm! If you come in here one more time, I'm going to slap a individual mandate on your ass and force you to buy health insurance!"

Next day the duck walks in and quacks "Is it a tax?".

skullkrusher: yeah, the bill gets worded in a very questionable and needlessly complex way to give the President the ability to deny breaking a pledge

Well dang. you can read not only the President's mind, but the minds of everybody in Congress as well? Your telepathic prowess really is quite remarkable.

skullkrusher: that is a pledge to not raise taxes on the middle class, numbnuts.

Anyone remember the halcyon days of "he wasn't under oath when he said that" and "We did have intelligence on that, but the intelligence was just bad" and "a lie isn't a lie if you believe it" and "Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen."??

Those were the days.

BojanglesPaladin: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Eh, you kinda did. But I'm glad you admit how stupid your argument was. Baby steps.

And I'm glad you have taken the time to add your thoughtful and insightful comments to the discussion.

Stupid is as stupid does. And you are doing stupid. Don't expect rational discourse when that is not what you are providing.

Unless you are SK. Then you are allowed to spew a bunch of semantic nonsense and declare victory. He's never lost an argument you know. You could learn something from him. We all could.

skullkrusher: Biological Ali: skullkrusher: He broke a promise. It's ok guys, he'll still win

If you're really going to run with this stupid criterion, you'll be glad to know that this "promise" was already "broken" when cigarette taxes went up.

technically yeah but that isn't really an income related tax so meh.

No, you should definitely go for it! The same kind of reasoning that allows you to determine that a penalty of some fixed amount or some percentage of income (whichever is smaller) on people who can afford insurance but refuse to get it somehow constitutes "broken promise" for Obama will surely have more than enough room for that. Indeed, it's an even more appropriate example, since excise taxes are at least indisputably considered a kind of tax (as opposed to noncompliance penalties which, you know, are considered by most people to just be penalties).

The tax on tanning salons too - you should find some way to work that into this as well. It can only make your argument stronger, I promise.

skullkrusher: Holy shiat you people are pathetic.



Man up, petal.

Wow. Perfesser skullkrusher took precious time away from the Higgs Boson to educate you morans about the constitution and taxes and his specialty semantics and all you do is complain.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for even attempting to question his superior intellect.

By the way, Skull, how is that cancer research going?

PanicMan:

Oh man, I've seen that. That old money wealth is a strange kind of wealth. Did you know that there are castles in America? Honest to god castles on islands. With boat houses for 40 ft sailboats, mast and all. And people own them.

That kind of person will never be able to understand what it's like to be middle class, let alone poor.

At latest count, Rmoney has the following:
A beach house in La Jolla.
A lake house in New Hampshire.
Ski condo in Utah.
2 condos in Boston.

He needs to have a vacation home to get away from his vacation home.

Ball Sack Obama: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 502x323]

"I repeat: not a single dime."

/lol

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Condoleezza Rice?

She's already said that she'd rather shave her own eyeballs than be Romney's VP, so I doubt it.

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Yeah, Sparky, you will briefly admit that both sides are the bad when directly questioned during one of your extensive examinations of Democratic Badness in a thread about Republican Badness. I admitted that you were completely and utterly non-partisan and radically independent. You just have a mission to remind everyone of Democratic Badness at any time Republican Badness arises.. Nothing biased about it at all.

you bring great shame to your family

Your record on Fark is your family's proudest achievement. They will discuss it for generations.

Shaggy_C: Republicans are against a large, overbearing federal government.

No, Republicans are opposed to a federal government used to help people. Provided the federal government is employed to squeeze tears out of poor people, its machinery can never be large enough to satisfy them.

Romney needs a strong VP to help shape his message, on this Healthcare fiasco.

Ann Romney says woman being eyed for husband's ticket

Oh god, please pick Sarah Palin.

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: I already have health insurance; not going to pay anything. And he was talking about income taxes.

Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of income tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll income tax, not your capital gains income taxes, not any of your income taxes.

Lowest tax rates in decades.

Complains about high taxes.

Vote Republican

El Morro: johne3819: My uncle, VERY well off, said on numerous occasions that we should not have a fire department. He pays for Homeowners insurance so that's all he needs.

Finally, last Thanksgiving, his biological brother (a Fire Captain) and nephew (a firefighter) asked about saving his infant child if he weren't home (since he works so much)

The stammering and gnashing of teeth was epic.

I love taking the opportunity to point out these sorts of things to people with that mindset.

One well placed question, and they just fall apart. Another favorite:
"You keep talking about wanting smaller government, but isn't supporting the idea of the government telling us who we can and can't marry (or telling women what they can do with their bodies) directly contradict that notion?"
or
"You keep saying your 'pro life', but it seems that your concern with 'life' ends the moment the baby is born, or if a person is on death row. Shouldn't the desire to protect 'life' be consistent across the board?"
or
"You constantly talk about the incompetence of the government. If the government is so incompetent, why are you so supportive of the death penalty? Why should we trust such an incompetent government with taking a person's life?"

It just drives them NUTS.

You can sort of do this with Romney, too, but all you have to ask is "Does a set of all sets contain itself?"

skullkrusher: fracto73: He didn't promise that. The GOP says he did, but what he actually said was that his '08 plan had no tax increases for those making less than $250k while McCains did. The mandate was not a part of the plan he was discussing.

that's an absolute bullshiat excuse and you know it. According to this logic, he could have scrapped that plan, instituted a new one and raised taxes on everyone claiming "well, I was talking about that specific plan. This is a new one, you see."

"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes. Of course this doesn't mean I promise not to raise your taxes under other plans or actions taken during my administration."

yeah, that flies.

LOL. You are trying (and failing hard, btw) to make this Obama"s "read my lips" moment.

Don't Republicans ever come up with any original ideas?

Sock Ruh Tease: NateGrey: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 626x485]

This looks shopped. I can tell by the speech bubble coming out of the briefcase. Conservative briefcases don't talk! Liberal briefcases are all like, "Feed me moar welfare money" and such as.

Plus, if that was an actual x-ray of the briefcase, it would obviously contain Chairmao Omaomao's long-form Kenyan birth certificate.

skullkrusher: BO promised not to raise taxes on those families earning under $250k. The mandate is a tax and it is new. He signed the bill. Ergo, broken promise.

It's a penalty, not a tax.

clambam:

Then what?!? Did Cockroach win the election?

AverageAmericanGuy: It does nothing to contain medical care costs
I hear this a lot, and aside from properly socializing our medical care, the government can't do much more than diddly and a dash of squat to control increasing healthcare costs.

and artificially drives up demand for private insurance, thus guaranteeing that prices remain high and those who truly need coverage are still left holding the bag.

This doesn't make any sense. I've tried three times to respond to it, but the thoughts are so disparate, the sentiments so contradictory that I simply can't say much more than, "do you understand how insurance works? or are you repeating a bumper sticker slogan? I feel like I've heard those phrases before..."

Whether you call it a tax or a penalty who cares. This battle should be fought over the merits of why Nobambi insists on destroying the finest health care system in the world. Just another blown opportunity by Smittens, I guess.

Barricaded Gunman: ghostwind: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x320][m.ruvr.ru image 460x268]

Separated at birth? Mmmmmmm.... waffles.

It's seriously difficult to imagine two more smug, self-impressed, entitled douchebags than Kerry and Romney. I'm white myself, but these two jackbags make even me start to hate white people a little.

ghostwind: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x320][m.ruvr.ru image 460x268]

Separated at birth? Mmmmmmm.... waffles.

It's seriously difficult to imagine two more smug, self-impressed, entitled douchebags than Kerry and Romney. I'm white myself, but these two jackbags make even me start to hate white people a little.

Expolaris: Mitt has taken a quantum political stance, the Schrodinger position. One only a highly advanced political robot such as himself could maintain, as it would break our poor meaty bodies in trying to do so.

Jeremy W. Peters: "middle class"

It doesn't matter what Mittens says or does as a candidate - that is actually completely irrelevant. He's still guaranteed a good 40% of the vote.

Think about that for a minute.

martissimo: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

In most situations ok yeah, what about this situation though, you live on unemployment at the moment, but it ran out, so you stay with your sister her husband and your mom. Both of the first collect a paycheck, mom gets Social Security.

Any aid you are eligible for is based on household income, if you have NONE in this spot you still don't qualify for a farking thing because the others drive you over the limit easily, nothing for you unless you beg for more than a room to crash in from them, gov will not give you shiat. Lots of people could get medicaid and shiat if they didnt live with family I bet

/I was in this spot for a bit, pretty sweet
//fixed now , but...

You should consider becoming a ho.

"Well, the Supreme Court has the final word and their final word is that Obamacare is a tax," Romney said in a CBS television interview. "So it's a tax. They decided it was constitutional. So it is a tax and it's constitutional."

I know Romney often contradicts himself a lot and everything, but this is one of those instances where he actually said something right... a decidedly un-Republican thing for him to do.

Surool: So, who's running that f*cking clown's campaign anyway. What a moron.

Matt Rhoades. 37. Graduated GWU 1999.

Was a "research analyst" for the GOP in Florida during the now infamous 2000 recount.

Served during the first Dumbya term as AD of Personnel.

In the 2004 campaign he headed up the opposition research team for Dumbya.

By 2008 he was Communications Director during Romney's ill fated attempt at the GOP nom.

Now he's running the show.

And yes, he's a farking moron.

farkityfarker: Has Romney said what he proposes to do for the tens of millions of Americans without health care? Did I miss it?

I can't find any pictures of mass graves that'd be considered SFW, so pretend there's one here.

The whole health care debate has left me with the realization that half of Americans believe that they should receive health care while others should not.

That's telling, and it completely changed my opinion about America.

Happy 4th, everyone!! Thank God we seceded from a nation that believes all its citizens should have health care!

kg2095: Infernalist: His problem is that the Dems and Independents don't see TAXES as being an inherently evil thing. Not when you get such a great deal in return.

And most especially since the tax will only be levied upon those who 'can' get health insurance, but decide for some inexplicable reason to NOT get it.

Taxes aren't inherently evil. They are what is used to build the infrastructure of a society. So without taxes you don't really have a society anymore. No military, police, fire fighters, public hospitals and schools, roads, sidewalks, libraries, welfare, street lights, airports, trains, judicial system...

Thank you, kg2095. A thoughtful and lucid answer.



YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!

Fluorescent Testicle: kg2095: Taxes aren't inherently evil. They are what is used to build the infrastructure of a society. So without taxes you don't really have a society anymore. No military, police, fire fighters, public hospitals and schools, roads, sidewalks, libraries, welfare, street lights, airports, trains, judicial system...

I find it amusing that most of the anti-tax people are Christians, and yet Jesus was pro-tax.

A lot of them are fans of the death penalty too, without seeing the irony of worshipping an innocent man who was executed.

Separated at birth? Mmmmmmm.... waffles.

Sabyen91: Gwyrddu: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.

I think his dot should encompass all points...and points that aren't measured.

The really sad part is this isn't that much of an exaggeration. In the span of 3 days Romney has gone from 'an individual mandate is not a tax - it's a penalty' to 'the individual mandate is a tax' to 'Obama's individual mandate is a tax but my mandate was a penalty'.

Honestly is there a stance he could take on this that he hasn't occupied in the last couple days? He's trying to have his cake, eat it, and claim to be on a diet all at the same time.

Krieghund: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

Look! Here's a coordinate system with the two candidates and a bunch of people no one cares about!
It makes it look like the candidates have virtually the same opinion on every issue!
Both sides are the same, so vote Republican!

I don't want to piss in your Wheaties, but...
You do know that's "Kriegshund" in proper German...right?

Goetz: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i49.tinypic.com image 500x500]

It's odd, but I read that as "plead the Sith"

He doesn't take his orders from Cheney, but he is an android, so you might be on to something.

mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.