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(The New York Times)   Romney says that since healthcare mandate is a tax, Obama broke his promise not to raise taxes on middle class. Which therefore means that Romney admits that he raised taxes while governor   (nytimes.com) divider line 815
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2012-07-05 12:19:27 AM  
He really isn't good at this campaigning thing is he?

You'd think after five years he'd have at least gotten better...
 
2012-07-05 12:20:54 AM  
1) Obama doesn't have the power to raise taxes
2) SCOTUS said it's a tax and that it is constitutional.
3) Suck it.
 
2012-07-05 12:22:45 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-05 12:33:22 AM  
politicalcompass.org
 
2012-07-05 12:35:51 AM  

hubiestubert: He really isn't good at this campaigning thing is he?

You'd think after five years he'd have at least gotten better...


I guess since he's basically just run on a sense of entitlement that it is his turn to be President, he didn't feel the need to think about the things he says.
 
2012-07-05 12:37:51 AM  
It's a terrible law. Romney is an idiot, but so is the President for signing such a lousy compromise.
 
2012-07-05 12:37:58 AM  
So, who's running that f*cking clown's campaign anyway. What a moron.
 
2012-07-05 12:38:08 AM  

stoli n coke: hubiestubert: He really isn't good at this campaigning thing is he?

You'd think after five years he'd have at least gotten better...

I guess since he's basically just run on a sense of entitlement that it is his turn to be President, he didn't feel the need to think about the things he says.


What do you mean the Plebs have to vote? I thought I get to be president starting in August
 
2012-07-05 12:40:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i49.tinypic.com image 500x500]


It's odd, but I read that as "plead the Sith"
 
2012-07-05 12:43:07 AM  
His problem is that the Dems and Independents don't see TAXES as being an inherently evil thing. Not when you get such a great deal in return.

And most especially since the tax will only be levied upon those who 'can' get health insurance, but decide for some inexplicable reason to NOT get it.
 
2012-07-05 12:43:29 AM  

mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]


Look! Here's a coordinate system with the two candidates and a bunch of people no one cares about!
It makes it look like the candidates have virtually the same opinion on every issue!
Both sides are the same, so vote Republican!
 
2012-07-05 12:44:19 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a terrible law. Romney is an idiot, but so is the President for signing such a lousy compromise.


It's better than what we had. As long as the modern (read: 'crazy') GOP has any sort of power, we're not gonna get a decent public option or single payer, and this is the next best thing.
 
2012-07-05 12:44:45 AM  
I'll say anything
to be the President,
Yes, I'll say anything,
Anything for you.
 
2012-07-05 12:45:32 AM  

Infernalist: And most especially since the tax will only be levied upon those who 'can' get health insurance, but decide for some inexplicable reason to NOT get it.


It's "really farking expensive" is pretty explicable
 
2012-07-05 12:47:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a terrible law. Romney is an idiot, but so is the President for signing such a lousy compromise.


Status quo! Yay!
 
2012-07-05 12:47:54 AM  
Who in the "middle class" doesn't have health insurance, except for those who would gladly buy it but are priced out by pre-existing conditions? You know, those would could really use it.

Are there some mythical people out there with means who just flat out don't buy it? Is this a big voting block?
 
2012-07-05 12:50:32 AM  

Aar1012: stoli n coke: hubiestubert: He really isn't good at this campaigning thing is he?

You'd think after five years he'd have at least gotten better...

I guess since he's basically just run on a sense of entitlement that it is his turn to be President, he didn't feel the need to think about the things he says.

What do you mean the Plebs have to vote? I thought I get to be president starting in August


You'd think he'd at least wait to open the Gates of Stoopid until the Convention is at least done...
 
2012-07-05 12:52:49 AM  
Wait, Romney changed his stance on an issue in order to more closely align with the people he wants to vote for him? I, for one, am utterly shocked at this unprecedented move by Mitt.
 
2012-07-05 12:52:50 AM  

karmaceutical: Who in the "middle class" doesn't have health insurance, except for those who would gladly buy it but are priced out by pre-existing conditions? You know, those would could really use it.

Are there some mythical people out there with means who just flat out don't buy it? Is this a big voting block?


No.

The only people who don't have it are either people like me--want it and cannot get it because insurance companies won't give it to us at ANY price, or else recent college grads with no jobs who don't yet realize they need it.

None of us who lack it "don't want it" and are happy not to have it.
 
2012-07-05 12:53:01 AM  

skullkrusher: Infernalist: And most especially since the tax will only be levied upon those who 'can' get health insurance, but decide for some inexplicable reason to NOT get it.

It's "really farking expensive" is pretty explicable


People who can't afford it, get subsidized through the government. Those who REALLY can't afford it get included into Medicare.

If it costs more than 8% of your income, you get it subsidized.
 
2012-07-05 12:53:02 AM  

karmaceutical: Who in the "middle class" doesn't have health insurance, except for those who would gladly buy it but are priced out by pre-existing conditions? You know, those would could really use it.

Are there some mythical people out there with means who just flat out don't buy it? Is this a big voting block?


You're surprised that a presidential campaign has resorted to bullshiat? My God man, today of all days don't you realize that bullshiat is what made this country great?
 
2012-07-05 12:53:17 AM  

karmaceutical: Who in the "middle class" doesn't have health insurance, except for those who would gladly buy it but are priced out by pre-existing conditions? You know, those would could really use it.

Are there some mythical people out there with means who just flat out don't buy it? Is this a big voting block?


It is about 2% of the population last I saw.

/2% of people think they and their family are bulletproof.
 
2012-07-05 12:55:53 AM  

LordJiro: AverageAmericanGuy: It's a terrible law. Romney is an idiot, but so is the President for signing such a lousy compromise.

It's better than what we had. As long as the modern (read: 'crazy') GOP has any sort of power, we're not gonna get a decent public option or single payer, and this is the next best thing.


Now you've done it. You've summoned the Derp brigade. They'll be here soon to remind us that the Dems had the majority in both Houses of Congress and that they could have done something while ignoring the GOP propoganda war, blue-dog Dems of Congress, and the GOP obstructionalism of the time
 
2012-07-05 12:59:23 AM  
www.mediaite.com
 
2012-07-05 12:59:26 AM  
pic80.picturetrail.com

/not mine
 
2012-07-05 01:00:38 AM  

mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]


I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.
 
2012-07-05 01:00:55 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [pic80.picturetrail.com image 418x520]

/not mine


Oh, that is nice. Bravo...even if it isn't yours.
 
2012-07-05 01:01:45 AM  

Gwyrddu: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.


I think his dot should encompass all points...and points that aren't measured.
 
2012-07-05 01:02:56 AM  

Goetz: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i49.tinypic.com image 500x500]

It's odd, but I read that as "plead the Sith"


He doesn't take his orders from Cheney, but he is an android, so you might be on to something.
 
2012-07-05 01:04:35 AM  
It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.
 
2012-07-05 01:05:20 AM  

Sabyen91: karmaceutical: Who in the "middle class" doesn't have health insurance, except for those who would gladly buy it but are priced out by pre-existing conditions? You know, those would could really use it.

Are there some mythical people out there with means who just flat out don't buy it? Is this a big voting block?

It is about 2% of the population last I saw.

/2% of people think they and their family are bulletproof.


2% of the population must run successful fictitious plumbing businesses. Although, if they bothered to run real businesses, they would probably be exempted... and even get a tax break for offering coverage. Hrm... what is the opposite of tax hike? Don't hear too much about that term when a Democrat is in office.
 
2012-07-05 01:05:45 AM  
www.diabetesdaily.com
 
2012-07-05 01:07:05 AM  

Krieghund: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

Look! Here's a coordinate system with the two candidates and a bunch of people no one cares about!
It makes it look like the candidates have virtually the same opinion on every issue!
Both sides are the same, so vote Republican!


I don't want to piss in your Wheaties, but...
You do know that's "Kriegshund" in proper German...right?
 
2012-07-05 01:07:45 AM  

Infernalist: If it costs more than 8% of your income, you get it subsidized.


Actually, it will often be even less than that. The 'affordability' amount is a sliding scale that can be as low as 2% if you're below 133% of the poverty line. You pay the 'affordability' amount and the government pays the remainder.
 
2012-07-05 01:09:43 AM  

quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.


Thank you.
 
2012-07-05 01:13:51 AM  

Sabyen91: Gwyrddu: mat catastrophe: [politicalcompass.org image 640x328]

I would think Mitt Romney's dot would be a lot bigger. I mean, how do you pin down any of his positions to that narrow a coordinate? Romney's position usually are to the right, to the left, to the north and to the south of most of those candidates, often in the same interview.

I think his dot should encompass all points...and points that aren't measured.


The really sad part is this isn't that much of an exaggeration. In the span of 3 days Romney has gone from 'an individual mandate is not a tax - it's a penalty' to 'the individual mandate is a tax' to 'Obama's individual mandate is a tax but my mandate was a penalty'.

Honestly is there a stance he could take on this that he hasn't occupied in the last couple days? He's trying to have his cake, eat it, and claim to be on a diet all at the same time.
 
2012-07-05 01:14:20 AM  
He's really putting his foot in his mouth. Does he remember what he did as governor or did he try to imagine all his liberal policies never existed when he's trying to appeal to the GOP?
 
2012-07-05 01:18:24 AM  
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Separated at birth? Mmmmmmm.... waffles.
 
2012-07-05 01:19:48 AM  

Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.


I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.
 
2012-07-05 01:20:19 AM  

Surool: So, who's running that f*cking clown's campaign anyway. What a moron.


icrontic.com
 
2012-07-05 01:22:47 AM  

Goetz: Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.

I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.


By which, I suspect you mean the people who choose not to purchase health care until they get sick.

The penalty covers that. They'll be paying a good bit for failing to purchase health insurance. And if the penalty doesn't come close to equaling the average that people pay for insurance annually, it can certainly be adjusted upward.
 
2012-07-05 01:24:17 AM  

Hastor: The really sad part is this isn't that much of an exaggeration. In the span of 3 days Romney has gone from 'an individual mandate is not a tax - it's a penalty' to 'the individual mandate is a tax' to 'Obama's individual mandate is a tax but my mandate was a penalty'.


And the dumbest part of all this - it's just an argument over semantics. Whether you need to pay a $700 penalty for not having insurance or a $700 tax for not having insurance or a $700 "compulsory donation" for not having insurance, the ultimate effect is one and the same. A rose by any other name and all that.

Anyone who has a knee-jerk aversion to the word 'tax' is probably in Romney's camp already.
 
2012-07-05 01:24:47 AM  

Goetz: Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.

I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.


Single payer?
 
2012-07-05 01:25:33 AM  

Infernalist: Goetz: Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.

I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.

By which, I suspect you mean the people who choose not to purchase health care until they get sick.

The penalty covers that. They'll be paying a good bit for failing to purchase health insurance. And if the penalty doesn't come close to equaling the average that people pay for insurance annually, it can certainly be adjusted upward.


Also, there will be periods when you can buy in. That won't fix them going to the ER but if they are smart it will have taught them the lesson that they are not indestructible.
 
2012-07-05 01:28:11 AM  

Infernalist: Goetz: Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.

I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.

By which, I suspect you mean the people who choose not to purchase health care until they get sick.

The penalty covers that. They'll be paying a good bit for failing to purchase health insurance. And if the penalty doesn't come close to equaling the average that people pay for insurance annually, it can certainly be adjusted upward.


It can/could be adjusted. That is not the case now. It represents a serious Moral Hazard. I do agree that the current method is primitive and overly severe. What would be a better way? I respect your opinion and I am only asking.
 
2012-07-05 01:29:20 AM  

hubiestubert: He really isn't good at this campaigning thing is he?

You'd think after five years with a bazillion Koch dollars bankrolling his campaign he'd have at least gotten better. carpet-bombed the airwaves with one Big Lie after another..


FTFY
 
2012-07-05 01:32:40 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: Hastor: The really sad part is this isn't that much of an exaggeration. In the span of 3 days Romney has gone from 'an individual mandate is not a tax - it's a penalty' to 'the individual mandate is a tax' to 'Obama's individual mandate is a tax but my mandate was a penalty'.

And the dumbest part of all this - it's just an argument over semantics. Whether you need to pay a $700 penalty for not having insurance or a $700 tax for not having insurance or a $700 "compulsory donation" for not having insurance, the ultimate effect is one and the same. A rose by any other name and all that.

Anyone who has a knee-jerk aversion to the word 'tax' is probably in Romney's camp already.


One can only surmise that they think they learned something from Bush 1. But they can't be so stupid to not realize that it was his own party that deserted him after the read my lips thing. Or can they?
 
2012-07-05 01:33:47 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [pic80.picturetrail.com image 418x520]


i49.tinypic.com

/Mine, but didn't realise there was another.
//There can never be too many, though.
 
2012-07-05 01:35:16 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Goetz: Gyrfalcon: quizzical: It isn't a tax on the middle class. It is a tax on anyone who can afford insurance and chooses not to carry any.

Thank you.

I expect that you have a novel solution to the "Free Rider" problem then?
I would be interested in how you solve that.

Single payer?


Yes, that would be my answer. But the need to punish is strong in America.
 
2012-07-05 01:36:32 AM  
It's fun to see Republicans are now concerned about taxes on the middle class.

Maybe Romney and Ryan and others will change their tax plans, so the middle class won't get their taxes raised?
 
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