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(BBC)   What do you call a man with no legs who goes to the Olympics? An Olympian   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 212
    More: Spiffy, Oscar Pistorius, Paralympics, Court of Arbitration for Sport, IAAF, olympics, legs  
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2012-07-05 09:22:50 PM  
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2012-07-05 09:29:34 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Oh, totally. I think the tests were rigged. I think the results were rigged.

I actually think you're a farking moron.


The manufacturer of the blades has no vested interest in them getting used in olympic competition? The fact that you think I'm a moron pleases me, because you obviously are one if you can't see that there would be a bias there.
 
2012-07-05 09:34:43 PM  

mjbok: The manufacturer of the blades has no vested interest in them getting used in olympic competition? The fact that you think I'm a moron pleases me, because you obviously are one if you can't see that there would be a bias there.


I retract that because he is the inventor prosthetic limbs, not these prosthetic limbs. The article wasn't clear on if he was an inventor or the inventor, and the former is true. However, as a fellow amputee I would still pose that his opinion might be biased.
 
2012-07-05 10:27:34 PM  
So he'll try out to qualify for the olympics then few weeks later go for paralympics?

I thought it was one or the other...
 
2012-07-06 08:58:03 AM  

raygundan: But if this were a blanket rule change rather than a one-time exception, I guarantee that 2016 would be the Cyborg Olympics, and there would be both voluntary and "voluntary" amputations to increase performance.

I'm glad he's in, but I'm also glad they seem to be treating it as a one-time thing. And more importantly, I think the crucial distinction is that he did not seek this out. He's a special case. But if the ruling stands for all athletes, people will.


Good. I hope they do.

If the Olympics are about the best of humanity competing, it seems clear that very quickly (unimproved) biological humans are not going to fulfill that role. I'd rather see augmented athletes compete than athletes crippled by their biology.

Maybe the Olympics isn't the place for that. Maybe we need a new competition; one more appropriate for people using augmentations. But once that new competition is created, it's going to be the NFL team to the Olympics JV High School team.
 
2012-07-06 10:08:36 AM  

raygundan: Dwight_Yeast: But we come back around to basic human anatomy, and the fact that he's at a huge disadvantage to begin with and the prosthetics are binging him up to the point that he's on par with people competing at the Olympic level.

Right now, things are a wash. Studies seem to indicate that his fake legs are somewhat better than his real legs would have been, trading early acceleration for substantially more efficient top-end speed. It's just enough to qualify him. It doesn't really break anything, since he's not likely to win or break a record, which is probably why they've let him in.

But if this were a blanket rule change rather than a one-time exception, I guarantee that 2016 would be the Cyborg Olympics, and there would be both voluntary and "voluntary" amputations to increase performance.

I'm glad he's in, but I'm also glad they seem to be treating it as a one-time thing. And more importantly, I think the crucial distinction is that he did not seek this out. He's a special case. But if the ruling stands for all athletes, people will.


No, he's worked very hard to make this a "thing" at this point.

Sorry, but the guy shouldn't be allowed to compete.
 
2012-07-06 12:29:36 PM  

Two16: No, he's worked very hard to make this a "thing" at this point.


You misunderstand me. I meant he did not seek out amputation, which happened when he was one year old as a result of not having shins or some such. The difference between him competing and what will happen if this becomes a blanket rule is that there will be people who will cut their legs off on purpose.
 
2012-07-06 12:42:26 PM  

GlassWalker: But once that new competition is created, it's going to be the NFL team to the Olympics JV High School team.


Or, it will the Preakness to Formula 1.
 
2012-07-06 03:13:36 PM  

raygundan: Two16: No, he's worked very hard to make this a "thing" at this point.

You misunderstand me. I meant he did not seek out amputation, which happened when he was one year old as a result of not having shins or some such. The difference between him competing and what will happen if this becomes a blanket rule is that there will be people who will cut their legs off on purpose.


Ah.. gotcha. And I agree with you.
 
2012-07-06 11:29:24 PM  
Holy crap. I just read most of this thread. For those of you who think he's got some kind of unfair advantage, you're blithering idiots. I'm a T&F fan and the general consensus is that Oscar would be world class if he had his lower limbs, probably even faster. No other prosthetic athletes have come close to what he's done as far as his 400 times.

Clearly there are others with "magic" legs out there. Why don't they all run faster than the current world records if they have such an advantage?
HINT: They're missing their farking limbs you idiots.
 
2012-07-07 03:03:02 AM  

HeathenHealer: Holy crap. I just read most of this thread. For those of you who think he's got some kind of unfair advantage, you're blithering idiots. I'm a T&F fan and the general consensus is that Oscar would be world class if he had his lower limbs, probably even faster. No other prosthetic athletes have come close to what he's done as far as his 400 times.

Clearly there are others with "magic" legs out there. Why don't they all run faster than the current world records if they have such an advantage?
HINT: They're missing their farking limbs you idiots.


No one is questioning his drive or potential, the are questioning if the match is equitable or not.

Heck even in motor and horse racing there's the concept of common specs.
 
2012-07-07 03:48:06 PM  

HeathenHealer: the general consensus is that Oscar would be world class if he had his lower limbs, probably even faster.


There is absolutely no way to prove this. If he had lost his limbs as an adult there would be a frame of reference to possibly draw this conclusion (but it would still be guess work). Since he lost them as a child, it is silly to try to conclude this. You have no way to know what his musculature would be. You can say he is ultra-competitive. So what? I know many ultracompetitive people that are slow as fark.

Even if it gives no advantage, he is still allowed to use something that others aren't. You can bring up glasses (or corrective lenses), but that would be a bad comparison because anyone could use lenses.
 
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