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(WCPO Cincinnati)   If you have military-age children who have not served in this decade's wars, should you have to pay the ones who did serve?   (wcpo.com) divider line 254
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2012-07-04 02:07:22 PM  
what's fair is fair.
 
2012-07-04 02:10:16 PM  
I'm pretty sure we.. do?
 
2012-07-04 02:11:42 PM  
Stop voting for the party that constantly drums the war-beat?
 
2012-07-04 02:11:56 PM  
Also, I wasn't aware that parents were supposed to "send" their offspring to the military. I thought independent adults went.
 
2012-07-04 02:21:37 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, I wasn't aware that parents were supposed to "send" their offspring to the military. I thought independent adults went.


Meh. It starts in quasi-religious paramilitary groups like Boy Scouts.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-04 02:39:31 PM  
"should you have to pay the ones who did serve? "

Well since we pay taxes and those taxes fund for the greatest socialist entity in American history, the US military. Yes Americans already do pay the salaries, the clothing, the food, housing and the medical care of those soldiers. Including retirement at age 38 with pension checks starting at age 38 and are received for life. If they're injured they get disability for life and are allowed to earn whatever salary they can with no reduction in benefits. I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

So my point here is that people who don't have kids in the military already do pay those who serve. And, BOY DO THEY PAY!


api.ning.com
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-04 02:42:35 PM  
Oops, posted the wrong year.


gogreen4congress.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-04 02:48:06 PM  

NFA: I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.


First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job

Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?
 
2012-07-04 03:03:17 PM  

Cewley: what's fair is fair.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-04 03:25:54 PM  
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaark yoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu: NO! This is a really retarded and, frankly, DANGEROUS way of thinking. I don't even know where to start with all the things that are wrong with it.
 
2012-07-04 06:16:17 PM  
What part about "voluntary armed forces" do they not understand?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-07-04 06:41:26 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?


I didn't say it was good or bad I was stating a fact. The topic is should people, who have kids who don't enlist in the military, pay those who do.
My response is no, they are taken care of.

No one is mad on this end.
 
2012-07-04 06:46:41 PM  
Since republicans want to remove the age restrictions on work, why not remove the restriction for serving in the military so that we can 'compete' with armies such as the LRA or the Burmese army.

www.vision.org

Who cares who pays?
 
2012-07-04 08:21:56 PM  
Oddly enough, our tax dollars already do pay those nice folks in the military. Fully. 100%. Our military is funded by tax dollars, from households with and without members.

Guess what? We all already pay for pensions, benefits, health care, and housing, and more. We already do pay for it all.
 
2012-07-04 08:48:59 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Since republicans want to remove the age restrictions on work, why not remove the restriction for serving in the military so that we can 'compete' with armies such as the LRA or the Burmese army.

[www.vision.org image 547x668]

Who cares who pays?


You gotta look at the advantages: they're smaller targets, harder to hit and you can fit more of them into a Bradley. There's a lot to be said for child soldiers.
 
2012-07-04 09:09:24 PM  
I used to find the American obsession with things that go boom amusing. As I get older i just find it sadder and sadder.
 
2012-07-04 09:14:00 PM  
This the stupidest way to raise money for veterans that I've ever seen.

And by "stupid" I mean "doomed to fail."
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-07-04 09:42:53 PM  

snuff3r: I used to find the American obsession with things that go boom amusing. As I get older i just find it sadder and sadder.


I'm watching the fireworks display over the lake right now. So I'm really getting a kick ....
 
2012-07-04 09:58:13 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I'm pretty sure we.. do?


I was pretty sure we did as well. What, is now the government calculating how many soldiers SHOULD have died, and trying to make up for the shortfall?
 
2012-07-04 10:00:24 PM  
This is not a headline from 1863?
 
2012-07-04 10:01:38 PM  

NFA: "should you have to pay the ones who did serve? "

Well since we pay taxes and those taxes fund for the greatest socialist entity in American history, the US military. Yes Americans already do pay the salaries, the clothing, the food, housing and the medical care of those soldiers. Including retirement at age 38 with pension checks starting at age 38 and are received for life. If they're injured they get disability for life and are allowed to earn whatever salary they can with no reduction in benefits. I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

So my point here is that people who don't have kids in the military already do pay those who serve. And, BOY DO THEY PAY!


[api.ning.com image 500x463]


You sound like you need to move...
 
2012-07-04 10:02:14 PM  
WASHINGTON (AP) - If you have military-age children who have not served in this decade's wars, then you owe a debt - meaning money - to those who did. That's the premise of a new fundraising effort by three wealthy American families who want to help U.S. veterans of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.


I love it when rich people volunteer my money.
 
2012-07-04 10:03:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: This the stupidest way to raise money for veterans that I've ever seen.

And by "stupid" I mean "doomed to fail."


But just think how much money the founders of this charity are going to make for administrating the funds I'm sure the family's of the vets will get at least .01 of every dollar after the board gets its cut
 
2012-07-04 10:03:36 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job

Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?


Sadly, about the only thing that Americans get truly mad about anymore is when one of their fellow citizens is getting "too much" from the gubbermint.
 
2012-07-04 10:03:55 PM  
Not meaning to sound unAMERICAN, but:
Our tax dollars already do pay for them.
And for those of us who were against the wars of the last decade, can we get some sort of refund?
 
2012-07-04 10:03:57 PM  
I, for one, think that being able to choose to either send your kid to war or pay a few is a great idea.
 
2012-07-04 10:04:26 PM  
Just some rich white folk guilt, people. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-07-04 10:05:30 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Not meaning to sound unAMERICAN, but:
Our tax dollars already do pay for them.
And for those of us who were against the wars of the last decade, can we get some sort of refund?


That's like asking for a refund for the social security that I'm paying that I won't see a dime off.....
 
2012-07-04 10:06:19 PM  
and by off......I mean of...
 
2012-07-04 10:06:47 PM  
Pretty sure the ribbon magnet on my car more than absolves me.
 
2012-07-04 10:07:06 PM  
Going to be paying for this recent service for the rest of my life through increased taxes and decreased government services.
 
2012-07-04 10:07:33 PM  
How about, I dunno, we create a few jobs for these veterans instead.

Nah, that's too right wing. Just keep redistributing and hope the problem goes away.
 
2012-07-04 10:07:52 PM  
Epic butthurt ahead...
 
2012-07-04 10:07:54 PM  
In other words... we should implement a tax that will mostly affect liberal parents from blue states that probably opposed the war anyway to pay for the war they didn't want.

Nice try, Karl Rove.
 
2012-07-04 10:08:30 PM  
Back in the time of the US Civil War/Unpleasantness you could buy a kid off some poor family and pay for him to go into battle in place of your own offspring.

Helped spread the wealth
 
2012-07-04 10:08:34 PM  

snuff3r: I used to find the American obsession with things that go boom amusing. As I get older i just find it sadder and sadder.


It never gets old when you're the one blowing shiat up.
 
2012-07-04 10:09:26 PM  
Sounds indulgent.


Ricardo Klement: Because People in power are Stupid: Since republicans want to remove the age restrictions on work, why not remove the restriction for serving in the military so that we can 'compete' with armies such as the LRA or the Burmese army.

[www.vision.org image 547x668]

Who cares who pays?

You gotta look at the advantages: they're smaller targets, harder to hit and you can fit more of them into a Bradley. There's a lot to be said for child soldiers.


You just don't lead them as much.
 
2012-07-04 10:10:48 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job

Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?


Well if he is holding down a 75k job a year he doesn't deserve 100% service connection for PTSD. 90% of the time I love working at the VA, but there's an massive amount of abuse of the system, especially in psychiatry... and that's frustrating because these guys use up resources that deserve to go to guys who are actually legit.
 
2012-07-04 10:11:02 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Meh. It starts in quasi-religious paramilitary groups like Boy Scouts.



Or is that quasi-military religious groups?
 
2012-07-04 10:11:32 PM  
It's a rich man's war but a poor man's fight.
 
2012-07-04 10:12:44 PM  
http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/athens/starship-trooper.jpg

With service comes citizenship. Would you like to know more?

/sounds oddly prophetic now...
 
2012-07-04 10:12:46 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NFA: I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job

Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?


I don't get it. I thought you got disability if you couldn't work because of that disability. If he is making $75,000 a year working how is it NOT an outrage that he is also getting disability? I don't see why VA disability should be different.

/Am I reading something wrong?
 
2012-07-04 10:13:12 PM  

NewportBarGuy: First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job



I guess the VA doesn't define "100% disability" in the same way the SSA defines "permanently and totally disabled." SSA says "permanently and totally disabled" means "unable to perform substantial gainful activity on a sustained basis for the indefinite future." If you're capable of working a full time job, by definition, you are not "permanently and totally disabled." If you are disabled, and get a full time job, you will lose your disability benefits after 9 months.

So... given that, how the f*ck does the VA define "100% disability?" Because as the words are ordinarily used, there really is a contradiction between being "100% disabled" and working a full time job for $75,000/year.

Also: Severe PTSD really f*cks a person up. You can't see it by looking at a person. But if someone is working a full time job in almost any occupation, I can assure you he doesn't have severe PTSD.
 
2012-07-04 10:13:13 PM  
NO! NO! NO! You want equity then start mandatory service. And make mandatory mean mandatory too. You got flat feet and a bad back, well then you get to ride a desk somewhere. Blind, congratulations, you're a telephone operator. Politician's offspring get mandatory infantry duty.
 
2012-07-04 10:13:34 PM  
www.rjgeib.com

er that's the pic I was going for...

chilling when I think about it.
 
2012-07-04 10:13:43 PM  
We all pay for everything eventually, no?
 
2012-07-04 10:14:47 PM  

Indubitably: We all pay for everything eventually, no?


Thank you for letting me speak on Fark.
 
2012-07-04 10:14:58 PM  
I do support the troops. I thank a veteran for their service, pay what taxes are collected from my income bracket (bottom percentiles), and support representatives who don't like making dead soldiers.
 
2012-07-04 10:15:29 PM  

Great_Milenko: NewportBarGuy: NFA: I know a man who is deemed 100% disabled (appears 100% able in every way) by the US military and gets a monthly check that pays his mortgage and car payments. He works a full time job making $75,000 per year, all of which is disposable.

First off, PTSD alone can be 100%. You can't really see it as it's a psychological disorder. He also could have a few things like knees, back, diabetes or heart issues. You can have all of that and appear healthy. The US military doesn't rate the disability stuff, that's the VA. The DOD do give you a medical retirement if you are over 50% disabled. So, this could really piss you off...

He could have a full military retirement, 100% VA payment, AND his current job.

Rough numbers:
$25,000 per year military retirement
$36,000 100% VA disability
$75,000 from current job

Why is that bad? You mad at him? You mad, bro?

Sadly, about the only thing that Americans get truly mad about anymore is when one of their fellow citizens is getting "too much" from the gubbermint.


Especially vets
 
2012-07-04 10:15:44 PM  

Sabyen91: I don't get it. I thought you got disability if you couldn't work because of that disability. If he is making $75,000 a year working how is it NOT an outrage that he is also getting disability? I don't see why VA disability should be different.


If the VA's 100% disability means anything like the SSA's "permanently and totally disabled," either the person in question hasn't yet exhausted his 9 month trial work period, or he has failed to report his new work, and is likely committing fraud.
 
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