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(CNN)   Happy Independence Day. Time to light the grill, get out the fireworks, and stomp on an effigy of the President at a public rodeo in Arkansas. God bless the U.S.A   (ireport.cnn.com) divider line 355
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2012-07-05 01:18:45 PM

Mikey1969: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Funny how the yokels were smart enough to avoid any explicit call to violence, yet you weren't.

FTFA:
A crude effigy was produced during the rodeo on Saturday night, and then violently beaten and destroyed in response to an announcer's call to the audience: "Who wants to rip Obama's head off?"

But hey, I get it, it was buried pretty deep in the accompanying article, way down in the latter part of the second half of it.


The question was referring not to the Obama effigy, not Obama himself. It's still protected speech. I'm not defending these people, only their rights. They haven't yet crossed the line.
 
2012-07-05 01:27:38 PM
yea no racism here, none at all
 
2012-07-05 02:02:50 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The question was referring not to the Obama effigy, not Obama himself. It's still protected speech. I'm not defending these people, only their rights. They haven't yet crossed the line.


Your statement was that they had avoided an explicit call to violence, I pointed out that you had missed the part where they asked the crowd who wanted to "rip Obama's head off" right before attacking the effigy. Seems like I had a valid point. I said nothing about their rights, which doesn't matter, because you really aren't 'defending their right to free speech', you are trying to justify their actions and the 'defending their right to free speech' is usually a safe tactic, but you have to back it up by actually defending their rights, not by continually trying to define just how 'violent' you think their actions may or may not be.
 
2012-07-05 02:24:12 PM

Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: terriblist: Gotta love all the people in the comments defending this crap. A whole lotta Bbbbut Bush Effigy!

stupid Americans defending a textbook example of political speech on the 4th of July. What nerve!

This
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Is the same as this
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Got it.

well, no. The top example is apparently being done by Americans who are protected by the 1st amendment while the bottom example is apparently being done in a different country that does not have the protection of the US Constitution. Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty much the same.

You're not a bright person.

Also
skullkrusher: apparently being done in a different country

Why would you suggest that? Plenty of American citizens speak languages other than English. And plenty of American citizens aren't white people. Would you be of the opinion that someone who isn't white is not american? Or someone who doesn't speak English (constantly) cannot be American?

芯で下さい。


I think he would suggest it because it's OBVIOUS FROM THE PICTURE you tard.

Also... he's correct. in his other assertion as well. They're pretty much the same.
with the ONE missed detail that one of them is "YOUR" guy... (how dare they ?) and the other one is "THAT GUY" .. which of course you hate.. so OBVIOUSLY it wasn't as bad.
 
2012-07-05 02:36:45 PM

mrshowrules: How about I crank up the Black Keys or Jack White.


Why does everything have to be about colour with you people??
 
2012-07-05 02:43:42 PM

TheNewJesus: yea no racism here, none at all


What about it makes you think it was racist?
 
2012-07-05 02:55:12 PM

you are a puppet: Nabb1: you are a puppet: Nabb1: Well, this is just about the worst thing ever.

Is it worse than when Michelle Obama hugged the Queen?

I don't believe in a monarchy, so Michelle could have hit her with a folding chair WWF style for all I care. Of course, that's kind of mean to do to an old lady no matter who she is.

So what's with your 500 replies in this thread? - Link

Or, if that was just your wife, your post in this thread - Link


Heh. Slow work day(s) most likely. Sometimes I just like being argumentative to kill time. Or I changed my mind.
 
2012-07-05 03:09:04 PM

Mikey1969: Seems like I had a valid point.


Not in the slightest. They asked who wanted to rip Obama's head off, then they proceeded to rip the head off the effigy. The remark was clearly directed at the effigy, not Obama himself.

"who wants to rip a head off a doll" != "let's kill Obama"
 
2012-07-05 03:33:32 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: "who wants to rip a head off a doll" != "let's kill Obama"


You're right, glad you can see the obvious, and admit it readily.

For the slow ones out there that can't follow along, I'll clarify though:

1. Put a human effigy out on the arena ground.

2. Make sure it looks somewhat like the person that you want to atack by proxy.

3. Invite people to 'rip its head off', and specifically mention the intended target.

4. Watch as the people attack it, meaning for their blows to land on the person it is an effigy of.

Like I said, I know you get it, but there are some dumb ones out there who don't get it, so the extra explanation was needed for their benefit, not yours of course.
 
2012-07-05 04:19:14 PM

beta_plus: Burn Bush in effigy and put his head on a pike on a very successful TV show:

proud display of free speech and right to protest

Criticize Obama in anyway except saying that he is not liberal enough:

racist - always racist

/this is what liberals actually believe



Ah yes, the typical but but Democrats! strategy

I know you can find so many examples of Democrats doing this to Bush in large groups, at public events. (not protests)
 
2012-07-05 04:19:57 PM

I alone am best: TheNewJesus: yea no racism here, none at all

What about it makes you think it was racist?


To some people, any criticism of Obama at all for any reason, is due to racism.
 
2012-07-05 04:20:07 PM
Just keep on forgetting we are here city dwellers.
We have to make our own fun, what's yours, trolling for trannies in the village?
/Arkansan
 
2012-07-05 04:38:45 PM

machoprogrammer: I alone am best: TheNewJesus: yea no racism here, none at all

What about it makes you think it was racist?

To some people, any criticism of Obama at all for any reason, is due to racism.


I am really starting to think they don't know what the word "racist" means.
 
2012-07-05 04:51:40 PM

machoprogrammer: To some people, any criticism of Obama at all for any reason, is due to racism.


This is true; they're called conservatives.
 
2012-07-05 04:54:18 PM

I alone am best: I am really starting to think they don't know what the word "racist" means.


For conservatives, "racist" means "Klan member who lynches black men for looking at white women".

For conservatives, not lynching people means "fair and balanced".
 
2012-07-05 05:03:52 PM

jaytkay: I alone am best: I am really starting to think they don't know what the word "racist" means.

For conservatives, "racist" means "Klan member who lynches black men for looking at white women".

For conservatives, not lynching people means "fair and balanced".


Once again, tell me what about this situation is racist.
 
2012-07-05 05:38:03 PM

machoprogrammer: To some people, any criticism of Obama at all for any reason, is due to racism.



What do you mean, some people? You sound racist.
 
2012-07-05 05:39:32 PM

I alone am best: jaytkay: I alone am best: I am really starting to think they don't know what the word "racist" means.

For conservatives, "racist" means "Klan member who lynches black men for looking at white women".

For conservatives, not lynching people means "fair and balanced".

Once again, tell me what about this situation is racist.



A rodeo show full of white hicks stomping on an effigy of the first black President, no, not racist at all. Obviously they really really really hate him so much because... well he's a socialist fascist Kenyan Muslim usurper of the throne.
 
2012-07-05 05:47:52 PM

intelligent comment below: A rodeo show full of white hicks


Now see, this is racist. What they did does not show any racism. It shows very poor judgement and bad taste but not racism.
 
2012-07-05 06:16:39 PM

I alone am best: Once again, tell me what about this situation is racist.


If Obama were white, would they still be stomping on an effigy of him in a rodeo? ...what if he were Bush? ...same policies, same speeches, same everything, just that it's Bush in power and not Obama.

Would they stomp on an effigy of Bush at a rodeo, or would they find other ways to voice their disapproval of his new healthcare bill?
 
2012-07-05 06:16:45 PM

I alone am best: Once again, tell me what about this situation is racist.


Better yet please gather some residents of Greenwood, Arkansas and let's hear their thoughts about the President.

They could enlighten us with their totally non-racist opinions.
 
2012-07-05 06:20:46 PM

I alone am best: intelligent comment below: A rodeo show full of white hicks

Now see, this is racist. What they did does not show any racism. It shows very poor judgement and bad taste but not racism.



It's racist to say the only people in Arkansas going to a rodeo show are white hicks?

And what makes you classify it as only "poor taste and judgement" but NOT racism?

Were they stomping on effigies of Clinton when he was President? Hanging and burning effigies on trees? *crickets*
 
2012-07-05 06:21:43 PM
I bet there were a lot of middle and upper class white people, and Mexicans and blacks out there too. Oh wait, not Mexicans because they are all worried about getting arrested because of their skin color.

/but don't call the white people there racist
 
2012-07-05 06:32:17 PM

intelligent comment below: I alone am best: intelligent comment below: A rodeo show full of white hicks

Now see, this is racist. What they did does not show any racism. It shows very poor judgement and bad taste but not racism.


It's racist to say the only people in Arkansas going to a rodeo show are white hicks?

And what makes you classify it as only "poor taste and judgement" but NOT racism?

Were they stomping on effigies of Clinton when he was President? Hanging and burning effigies on trees? *crickets*


Since hick is a racial slur, I would say yes that's racist.

You assume it is racist because the president is black they didn't burn effigies of white presidents. They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.
 
2012-07-05 06:33:55 PM

I alone am best: Since hick is a racial slur



wut?

So Beverly Hillbillies was a racist tv show?
 
2012-07-05 06:34:42 PM

I alone am best: They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.



For 8 years liberals did the same thing to Bush at public events?
 
2012-07-05 06:37:09 PM

I alone am best: They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.


They probably should have spent more time watching Bush.
 
2012-07-05 06:42:05 PM

intelligent comment below: I alone am best: Since hick is a racial slur


wut?

So Beverly Hillbillies was a racist tv show?


There were a lot of racist TV shows back in the day, and just because it isn't or wasn't taboo to say doesn't mean that it isn't a racial slur. The term hick denotes a lower class, rural white person that is predominantly used as a derogatory term.
 
2012-07-05 06:47:29 PM

I alone am best: intelligent comment below: I alone am best: Since hick is a racial slur


wut?

So Beverly Hillbillies was a racist tv show?

There were a lot of racist TV shows back in the day, and just because it isn't or wasn't taboo to say doesn't mean that it isn't a racial slur. The term hick denotes a lower class, rural white person that is predominantly used as a derogatory term.



So a white person calling another white person a hick is a RACIST?
 
2012-07-05 06:48:06 PM

thamike: I alone am best: They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.

They probably should have spent more time watching Bush.



Republicans can do no wrong.
 
2012-07-05 06:52:49 PM

intelligent comment below: thamike: I alone am best: They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.

They probably should have spent more time watching Bush.


Republicans can do no wrong.


Ishkur: If Obama were white, would they still be stomping on an effigy of him in a rodeo? ...what if he were Bush? ...same policies, same speeches, same everything, just that it's Bush in power and not Obama.


Which narrative should I go with here?
 
2012-07-05 06:53:42 PM

intelligent comment below: I alone am best: They could just be doing it out of spite from watching liberals for 8 years under Bush.


For 8 years liberals did the same thing to Bush at public events?


You must have missed the anti-war rallies.
 
2012-07-05 06:58:19 PM

intelligent comment below: I alone am best: intelligent comment below: I alone am best: Since hick is a racial slur


wut?

So Beverly Hillbillies was a racist tv show?

There were a lot of racist TV shows back in the day, and just because it isn't or wasn't taboo to say doesn't mean that it isn't a racial slur. The term hick denotes a lower class, rural white person that is predominantly used as a derogatory term.


So a white person calling another white person a hick is a RACIST?


Yes.
 
2012-07-05 07:00:54 PM

I alone am best: Which narrative should I go with here?



So now you're taking someone elses words and making them mine just to make a point? nice strawman, bro.


I alone am best: Yes.



How can you be racist against your own race?
 
2012-07-05 07:15:44 PM

I alone am best: Which narrative should I go with here?


I'm just asking: Would people at a rodeo have no issues with stomping on an effigy of a white President who passed the healthcare act?

I don't recall them doing that to Clinton.
 
2012-07-05 07:35:02 PM

intelligent comment below: I alone am best: Which narrative should I go with here?


So now you're taking someone elses words and making them mine just to make a point? nice strawman, bro.


Well you used a blanket statement for me. Let me quote it.

intelligent comment below:
Republicans can do no wrong.


Is it wrong when I do the same thing to you?

intelligent comment below:

How can you be racist against your own race?


Well you seem to not like poor white people from the south, that kind of sums up how you do it. Its internalized racism.
 
2012-07-05 07:36:15 PM

Ishkur: I alone am best: Which narrative should I go with here?

I'm just asking: Would people at a rodeo have no issues with stomping on an effigy of a white President who passed the healthcare act?

I don't recall them doing that to Clinton.


Political tensions have increased a whole lot over the past 12 years.
 
2012-07-05 08:03:22 PM

I alone am best: So a white person calling another white person a hick is a RACIST?

Yes.


The difference is that there is absolutely no way any racial epithet can possibly hurt a white person's feelings. Any honky trying to play victim for being called a cracker is totally full of sh*t.
 
2012-07-05 08:10:19 PM

I alone am best: Well you seem to not like poor white people from the south, that kind of sums up how you do it. Its internalized racism.


bwahaha oh my.
 
2012-07-05 08:39:30 PM

Halli: I alone am best: Well you seem to not like poor white people from the south, that kind of sums up how you do it. Its internalized racism.

bwahaha oh my.


Next thing, he'll wonder why black people can call each other racial epithets, but it's unacceptable when a white person does it. Seriously, there are people who really struggle with that concept. Not only do they struggle with it, but they don't think it's fair. This upsets them. Same kind of person who uses the term "reverse racism" with no sense of irony.
 
2012-07-05 08:51:42 PM

thamike: Halli: I alone am best: Well you seem to not like poor white people from the south, that kind of sums up how you do it. Its internalized racism.

bwahaha oh my.

Next thing, he'll wonder why black people can call each other racial epithets, but it's unacceptable when a white person does it. Seriously, there are people who really struggle with that concept. Not only do they struggle with it, but they don't think it's fair. This upsets them. Same kind of person who uses the term "reverse racism" with no sense of irony.


Reverse racism is one of the dumbest phrase uttered in human history.
 
2012-07-05 09:49:02 PM

I alone am best: Well you used a blanket statement for me. Let me quote it.



How is a blanket statement the same as quoting someone else and saying I said it?

I alone am best: Is it wrong when I do the same thing to you?



blanket statement =/= misquote

Do try and keep up


I alone am best: Well you seem to not like poor white people from the south, that kind of sums up how you do it. Its internalized racism.



Only ones who cheer on burning, hanging, and stomping on effigies of the black President

And internalized racism, that word, I don't think it means what you think it means
 
2012-07-05 09:49:41 PM

I alone am best: Political tensions have increased a whole lot over the past 12 years.



Because he's black, yes we know.
 
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2012-07-05 09:59:07 PM

NeoCortex42: I've tried to understand it. I really have. He blames Obama for the current economy (maybe you could make that argument, but he also absolves Bush from any blame) and is convinced that he is really a Muslim and not a real citizen. He basically watches Fox News as a true believer without question. He recites chain letter e-mails like they're gospel that the real media doesn't want to tell you.

I have learned first hand that there really is no way to reason with people like this. His response to the morning news Independence Day story was that it is likely one of the last ones we're going to be able to celebrate if Obama is re-elected.



You are correct. Fox has quite literally programmed their listeners to respond with a anger response when they hear someone speak Obama's name.

I used to be a big consumer of conservative media. Then one day years ago, I looked at the cover of the American Rifleman. On that cover was a picture of Shumer, Pelosi and someone else. The very sight of these people triggered complete rage. I was literally angry at just seeing their image. At that very point I also realized that I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THEM. I didn't know why I hated them, just that I was somehow tricked into hating them. I see this rage response with many people when Obama's name is mentioned. This is why I believe Obama has a chance of losing the election. BILLIONS have been spent programming the public to jump to the tune of our wealthy overlords.

Just once, I would love to sit with a few conservatives and show them pictures of various conservative targets. Then ask them precisely why they're angry at these people...
 
2012-07-06 08:11:33 AM
They could just wait until he's out of office and use his likeness as a severed head prop in a TV show.

You know, the classy way.
 
2012-07-06 12:54:45 PM

Mr. Breeze: They could just wait until he's out of office and use his likeness as a severed head prop in a TV show.

You know, the classy way.


Man there was someone actually butthurt about that.

Amazing things happen every day.
 
2012-07-07 02:18:04 AM

Alphax: Just fark off. I'm not interested in playing word games with people who deny reality.


Look, mindreader, I don't happen to like teabaggers or any of the stupid shiat surrounding them, but torching an effigy is not a call to violence. End of farking story.
 
2012-07-07 03:43:31 AM

TsukasaK: Alphax: Just fark off. I'm not interested in playing word games with people who deny reality.

Look, mindreader, I don't happen to like teabaggers or any of the stupid shiat surrounding them, but torching an effigy is not a call to violence. End of farking story.


In what universe? Not this one.
 
2012-07-07 09:48:33 AM

Alphax: In what universe? Not this one.


If there was any real threat, the secret service would be all over these people.

I'd really like to have this ability that allows you to discern the mental state of hundreds of people you've never even seen, nor met.


/no I wouldn't, having all those random thoughts popping into my head wouls uck
 
2012-07-07 10:08:40 AM

TsukasaK: Alphax: In what universe? Not this one.

If there was any real threat, the secret service would be all over these people.

I'd really like to have this ability that allows you to discern the mental state of hundreds of people you've never even seen, nor met.


/no I wouldn't, having all those random thoughts popping into my head wouls uck


It's called thought.
 
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