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(WRCB)   First they came for the 10 Commandments and we threw a hissy fit. Now they tell us we can't pray to Jesus before commission meetings and we are NOT going to take THIS laying down, by gum   (wrcbtv.com) divider line 41
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2012-07-04 01:53:36 PM
9 votes:
What a farking hypocrite. Any preacher who leads the Lord's Prayer in public has never read the Bible:

Matthew 6
"5 'And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.

"6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

...

"9 Pray then in this way:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."
etc.
2012-07-04 03:52:38 PM
4 votes:

skullkrusher: why are people such farking pussies? Roll your eyes at their show and move on. Public prayer is worthy of mockery but it ain't gonna hurt you.
Unless they're saying you can't participate in the meeting unless you say the Our Father, get over it.


Do you want to know why? Not because of what it is, but because of what it represents and the message it sends.

The message is, "We are believers. We are in control. We make the laws. This is a nation of our religion."

It is saying that our laws are beholden to their form of Christianity.

It is saying that evolution will be removed from classrooms.

It is saying that abortions will be banned and those who seek abortions will be shamed.

It is saying that employers can deny their employees birth control through health insurance.

It is saying that science that contradicts religious dogma will be proscribed.

It is saying that your children will be told to pray in school, and that if they decide not to, even if they are allowed by the federally mandated rules, they will be ostracized and singled out.

It is saying that the Bible will be taught as history.

It is saying that you are not comfortable in your faith if it isn't forced on society as a whole, and if you do not share that faith you are by definition a lesser member of that society.

Do you honestly think this is about faith, when churches and homes offer enough space for anyone to pray? Or do you realize this is about saying "Remember, we're all Christians here, and if you're not, you should keep your mouth shut."
2012-07-04 03:01:34 PM
4 votes:
"It includes non-Christian faiths," Commission Chairman Larry Henry says. "The staff is mailing out the letters today, and we believe enough will respond quickly that we'll have somebody for an invocation when we meet next Thursday (July 12)."

Prayer leaders themselves will determine the content, Henry says.


How funny would it be for me to walk in there and ask to lead the prayer one day. I'd start off by chanting "Allahu Akbar" a few times, and it wouldn't matter that that's about all the arabic I know because there'd be an immediate riot.

Of for even more lulz, start off by intoning the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic.
2012-07-04 02:34:16 PM
4 votes:
"Father, there's a lot of confusion as to how we should pray," Pastor Toby Brogden intones.



In church, you moronic farknugget. That's what it's for!
2012-07-04 03:03:15 PM
3 votes:
It's pretty simple. If you would object to someone from another religion doing whatever it is you're proposing, then you should probably realise that others might feel the same about whatever asshattery you are insisting on forcing on everyone else.
2012-07-04 02:44:00 PM
3 votes:

jasonvatch: What a farking hypocrite. Any preacher who leads the Lord's Prayer in public has never read the Bible:

Matthew 6
"5 'And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.

"6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

...

"9 Pray then in this way:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."
etc.


So much THIS.
2012-07-04 11:56:40 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: freedom of religion,


along with that comes freedom from religion. the workplace is not a temple. it's not a private club. it's a public workplace. and allowing a certain select few the ability to use it for their own selfish purpose of a public display of piety.
2012-07-04 03:35:32 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Public prayer is worthy of mockery but it ain't gonna hurt you.


It isn't that it itself hurts me, but the mentality that thinks it's perfectly acceptable to do so as a function of government protocol very much does lead to suffering that should be preventable.
2012-07-04 03:08:08 PM
2 votes:
I'll be ok with this as long as they have to follow it up with prayers to Satan, Ganesha and Allah.

That should make them think twice but I'd be satisfied it it just makes them stop.

Keep your Christian Dominionism out of my peanut butter.

Oh also add me to the Matthew Chapter 6 chorus.
2012-07-04 03:01:27 PM
2 votes:
I wonder if the idiots realize that if they win their court case and DO manage to make prayer like this legal that they are also opening the door to allowing muslim and pagan calls to prayer legal as well....?
2012-07-05 12:25:46 AM
1 votes:
Hobodeluxe:

There is no possible way for you to make the person you're arguing with respond to reason.
2012-07-04 10:40:24 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: bulldg4life: It's just not fair when we can't force our views on everyone else.

like when a person of no faith hires a lawyer to prevent people of faith from praying before work?


not from praying. from making a public spectacle of it. do you not see how this is a way of ostracizing and singling out the "others" by those of "faith"?
2012-07-04 10:22:26 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: whidbey: skullkrusher: Stick with honesty

Oh trust me, I am being honest. And I'd say I've pegged you pretty good here.

Hence all the projection from your end.

Well, I'm convinced.


Oh yeah. The insults, the ridiculous Fox News talking points about me being an "authoritarian," the "Kim Jong" bit.

All silent cries of desperation on your part because we're not buying your weak argument. None of us here, I might add.

And eventually the whole idea of the a chaplain performing services in a government facility such as the SCOTUS and Congress will also be successfully challenged.

ok, now you're just repeating yourself. It was stupid when you first said it


Nothing stupid about it.

Religion does not belong in our government. Period.

Get over it.
2012-07-04 10:06:48 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: because you are an authoritarian dickbag


You keep using that word. It's not the insult you think it is.:)

Actually, all you've been doing is throwing around insults to distract from the fact that you believe people have the "right" to shove prayer down people's throats in a government facility.

Same old *yawn* skullkrusher.
2012-07-04 09:36:32 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: PsiChick: There is no way to include B without pissing off atheists and resulting in C.

that's the thing. If atheists are pissed that people are praying in city hall, too farking bad. If they are pissed that city hall is passing laws violating their freedom of religion, that's something else entirely. Being pissed that people are praying doesn't mean your rights are being violated. It means you are far too sensitive to live outside of a big plastic bubble

PsiChick: Let me put this another way: Do you want to pay for the lawsuit and be that twerp who okayed violating Separation of Church and State?

There is no violation of church and state here except in the suit brought by those two doofuses (doofusi?) Praying in unison in a public building is not a violation of the separation of church and state


Actually, it is, because it's implying that the State takes a side in the religion-v-atheism debate--and sides with religion. Cheering for one team is supporting them. Support is as much a violation as oppression.
2012-07-04 09:20:24 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: PsiChick: Skull, the problem here is that we have separation of church and state. It means either a) we have no prayer, b) we have ALL POSSIBLE prayers, even that squirrel prayer the troll guy made up, or c) we have the lawsuit from hell.

which is what TFA is about. Including other faiths in their pre-session blessing. Glad to hear you are cool with this incredibly innocuous, albeit silly and superficially pious, activity.

PsiChick: We make lawmakers go with A on the clock, because it's the least waste of taxpayer dollars and time. And doesn't have vague connotations of 'I am making these laws because of my religion', which is a HUGE no-no.

these guys are saying a short prayer prior to their session. It's ok. No atheists were harmed in the filming of this City Council session


There is no way to include B without pissing off atheists and resulting in C.

Let me put this another way: Do you want to pay for the lawsuit and be that twerp who okayed violating Separation of Church and State?
2012-07-04 09:07:20 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: PsiChick: Skull, unless something's stopping them from praying in their homes, when they're on the job, they represent their employer, not themselves. They don't get to express religious faith. That's just how we roll here in America.

bullshiat. Their employer IS the government which is expressly forbidden from preventing them from exercising their religion.

PsiChick: When they punch out, they can pray nonstop until they clock in again, but unless there's some big problem like not having anywhere to pray or something, yeah, no, they can STFU.

the Constitution is not put on hold when you get to work. There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional about them starting their council sessions with a prayer. Preventing them from doing so, however, is and is by far the far more egregious action.


Skull, the problem here is that we have separation of church and state. It means either a) we have no prayer, b) we have ALL POSSIBLE prayers, even that squirrel prayer the troll guy made up, or c) we have the lawsuit from hell.

We make lawmakers go with A on the clock, because it's the least waste of taxpayer dollars and time. And doesn't have vague connotations of 'I am making these laws because of my religion', which is a HUGE no-no.
2012-07-04 08:51:19 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: so mock and deride them. Do no try to impose your will on them and deny them the right to practice their religion like Kim Jong Whidbey here


Skull, unless something's stopping them from praying in their homes, when they're on the job, they represent their employer, not themselves. They don't get to express religious faith. That's just how we roll here in America.

When they punch out, they can pray nonstop until they clock in again, but unless there's some big problem like not having anywhere to pray or something, yeah, no, they can STFU.
2012-07-04 06:41:10 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: whidbey: skullkrusher: yes, it is funny to mock people who wear Che shirts in 2012

Funny to you and a bunch of paranoid Teabaggers.

Maybe you should have them all over for a drink or something.

He is worthy of mockery, as are you

See above.

this is getting sad, W. Put me back on ignore. I think it's better for your mental health.


I'm not the one who is looking like some rabid fundie defending other morally bankrupt fundies while waxing 1993 on someone's dumb shirt as a distraction to the real issue, so no. Project, much?
2012-07-04 06:22:52 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: whidbey: Actually, harping on a stale cliched vision of people wearing Che shirts strikes me as kind of weird. What is this, 1993?

You're a sensitive lil quim, aintcha. This struck a little close to home?


No, it confirms my suspicions that you don't actually live in this century and you think old moldy barbs aimed at liberals are still funny.

whidbey: I'm guessing one of the previous decades called and want something back from you.

that's some cutting edge shiat right there


I wouldn't be complaining, given your outdated moth-eaten comments.
2012-07-04 05:22:40 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Lunaville: Skullkrusher knows that he is being disingenuous. All any of us need to do is click on Salt Lick Steadys' link to know that this issue is not about prayer; it is about theocracy.

no, I don't know this at all. What one group of people did during a Hindu prayer has no bearing whatsoever on this Council in Tennessee. I'd imagine you know you were being disingenuous by trotting out such a laughably transparent failure of logic like that. Plus, theocracies don't work when you include other faiths in the theocracy. Which is what this article is about and has been mentioned numerous times. Pretend it's the bogeyman though. That won't make you look like a crazyperson.


Look, I'm not trying to pile on here since you've taken the side that most of Fark is opposed to, but the shouting down of the Hindu prayer link above is exactly what the good Christians of Hamilton County will do when another religion is represented. The commission can say they're being inclusive, but the citizenry at large do not share their opinion.
2012-07-04 05:02:30 PM
1 votes:
Why is the clergy butthurt over a moment of silence. Seems like a great way to accomodate everyone.
2012-07-04 04:52:35 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: hearing people pray is a violation of your 1st Amendment rights


Seeing as how people have gone off the deep end about mosques and sharia law in this country, it sure seems like people think it is a violation.

Considering the dangerous mixing of religion and politics, it would seem the reasonable solution is to just avoid the situation whatsoever instead of having a legal battle consisting of "hey, one prayer never hurt anyone"
2012-07-04 04:23:52 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: I don't know if I should be amused or just irritated about how insecure people are about their religion.

The God you pray to would slap your b*tchy little ass if He heard you whining like this.


Which ones Whidby: the ones who demand Christian prayer prior to a government function or the ones who object to a standard Christian prayer prior to a government function? Or did you mean something else all together?
2012-07-04 04:11:57 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: why are people such farking pussies? Roll your eyes at their show and move on. Public prayer is worthy of mockery but it ain't gonna hurt you.
Unless they're saying you can't participate in the meeting unless you say the Our Father, get over it.

Do you want to know why? Not because of what it is, but because of what it represents and the message it sends.

The message is, "We are believers. We are in control. We make the laws. This is a nation of our religion."

It is saying that our laws are beholden to their form of Christianity.

It is saying that evolution will be removed from classrooms.

It is saying that abortions will be banned and those who seek abortions will be shamed.

It is saying that employers can deny their employees birth control through health insurance.

It is saying that science that contradicts religious dogma will be proscribed.

It is saying that your children will be told to pray in school, and that if they decide not to, even if they are allowed by the federally mandated rules, they will be ostracized and singled out.

It is saying that the Bible will be taught as history.

It is saying that you are not comfortable in your faith if it isn't forced on society as a whole, and if you do not share that faith you are by definition a lesser member of that society.

Do you honestly think this is about faith, when churches and homes offer enough space for anyone to pray? Or do you realize this is about saying "Remember, we're all Christians here, and if you're not, you should keep your mouth shut."

read the article.


I live in NW GA in the county just south of Hamilton County. I used to live in Hamilton County and, except for time away at college, have lived in the Tri-state area (where Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee meet) my entire life. What Bloody William said is absolutely true.

It's not just a battle being fought in Hamilton County, TN, it's being fought in cities, counties, school districts, and states throughout the bible belt.
2012-07-04 03:45:40 PM
1 votes:

Salt Lick Steady: Weaver95: I wonder if the idiots realize that if they win their court case and DO manage to make prayer like this legal that they are also opening the door to allowing muslim and pagan calls to prayer legal as well....?

This is how they react


The disrespectful behavior of the people interrupting the prayer was disgusting and abhorrent. If we have prayers before the Senate, then all the nations' faith groups must be included in an equitable manner and with equal respect. If we are to eliminate prayers before the Senate, which would be preferable to sliding into theocracy, then all prayers, including Christian prayers, must be banned.
2012-07-04 03:43:53 PM
1 votes:
This compromise has the feel, to me at least, of the scene in The Blues Brothers at Bob's Country Bunker.

What kind of music prayer do you usually have here?
Oh, we got both kinds, country Baptist AND western Methodist!
2012-07-04 03:38:56 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I wonder if the idiots realize that if they win their court case and DO manage to make prayer like this legal that they are also opening the door to allowing muslim and pagan calls to prayer legal as well....?



Hmmm... that actually has potential.

Oh Mighty Huitzilopochtli please accept the gift of the still-beating heart of my enemy, who I have sacrificed in your name. Amen.


We may now begin the County Commission meeting, secure in the knowledge that Huitzilopochtli smiles upon us. First order of business; does anyone still oppose my proposal from last week?
2012-07-04 03:35:51 PM
1 votes:

Pincy: Explain to me again why religious people insist on injecting their religion into public meetings? Will God or Jesus or whoever not hear your prayers unless you attention whore at a public gathering?


It's a little bit complicated. For some people, it's a cultural thing. They live in a small community that has always been predominately Christian (if not out-right 100%) and including a prayer into public meetings was just an observed ritual that nobody really thought much of. And believe me...I've been to local public gatherings where a prayer was given as part of the ceremony. We aren't talking about an earnest cry to the heavens here...we're talking about a quick, dry, boring recitation of the Lord's Prayer (during which everyone in the audience shows extreme reverence takes the time to check their phone, scribble notes; etc.). Then someone sent an anonymous letter threatening legal action unless the prayer was removed, and suddenly everyone is up in arms over it. For this group, I think they see it as an attack on their culture, in some way.

The second group is closely tied to the first: the opportunistic politicians/bastards who take advantage of the above situation. All they have to do is feign outrage and pretend to stand up for the little prayer (which previously nobody cared about) and suddenly they're a crusader for righteousness with their entire voting block behind them...and they literally had to do almost nothing for it. They didn't have to balance any budgets, improve any schools, or basically solve any local problems.
2012-07-04 03:33:53 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Weaver95: I wonder if the idiots realize that if they win their court case and DO manage to make prayer like this legal that they are also opening the door to allowing muslim and pagan calls to prayer legal as well....?

"The Commission's administrative staff will compile a list and data base of "churches, congregations and other religious assemblies" in the Hamilton County community that will be "all-inclusive of every diverse religious congregation."

"It includes non-Christian faiths," Commission Chairman Larry Henry says. "The staff is mailing out the letters today, and we believe enough will respond quickly that we'll have somebody for an invocation when we meet next Thursday (July 12).""

yep, seems like they realize that


yeah, but would they really let a muslim prayer be spoken in their presence?
2012-07-04 03:19:08 PM
1 votes:
I've "enjoyed" the near daily derp on the Times Free Press Facebook page. The amount of stupidity from most of the Christian Facebookers regarding this debate is astounding.

I recommend liking the paper on Facebook and joining in the discussion.
2012-07-04 03:12:14 PM
1 votes:
In Florida they'll still lead prayers before legislative sessions. The funny thing about it is that the person leading the prayer will bend over backwards to make it "non-denominational" in content, but will almost inevitably end with "In Jesus' name, Amen".

But yeah, yeah, atheists are all in your face and shiat.
2012-07-04 03:12:10 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: It's pretty simple. If you would object to someone from another religion doing whatever it is you're proposing, then you should probably realise that others might feel the same about whatever asshattery you are insisting on forcing on everyone else.


I dislike the phrase "Christian Nation". It insults every citizen who is agnostic, atheist, Buddhist, Islamic, or Jewish. Also, if a person is not content with a moment of silence at a government function, that person probably wants a chance to show off.
2012-07-04 03:06:30 PM
1 votes:

Karac: "It includes non-Christian faiths," Commission Chairman Larry Henry says. "The staff is mailing out the letters today, and we believe enough will respond quickly that we'll have somebody for an invocation when we meet next Thursday (July 12)."

Prayer leaders themselves will determine the content, Henry says.

How funny would it be for me to walk in there and ask to lead the prayer one day. I'd start off by chanting "Allahu Akbar" a few times, and it wouldn't matter that that's about all the arabic I know because there'd be an immediate riot.

Of for even more lulz, start off by intoning the Lord's Prayer in the original Aramaic.


I'd take it a step further and pray to one of Christ's predecessors, preferable one that has almost an identical story to his, but Christians typically don't know about. "Almighty Lord Dionysis, we ask today that you grant us strength. ....... All hail our savior Dionysis, our slain and risen God."
2012-07-04 03:04:59 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: It's pretty simple. If you would object to someone from another religion doing whatever it is you're proposing, then you should probably realise that others might feel the same about whatever asshattery you are insisting on forcing on everyone else.


That requires self-awareness and acknowledgement that people may well be within their rights not to follow your belief system.
2012-07-04 03:02:53 PM
1 votes:
Ladies and gentlemen of the Hamilton County Commission, please join me in the following inspiring passage: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." Thank you, and may the Elder Gods show mercy on you all.
2012-07-04 02:58:34 PM
1 votes:
EVERYBODY, LOOK AT WHAT A PATRIOT CHRISTIAN I AM. SEE HOW LOUDLY I RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LORD'S PRAYER FOR ALL TO WITNESS.

blog.cleveland.com
2012-07-04 02:57:41 PM
1 votes:

jasonvatch: What a farking hypocrite. Any preacher who leads the Lord's Prayer in public has never read the Bible:

Matthew 6
"5 'And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.

"6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

...

"9 Pray then in this way:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."
etc.


Came here to say this.
2012-07-04 02:56:32 PM
1 votes:

jasonvatch: What a farking hypocrite. Any preacher who leads the Lord's Prayer in public has never read the Bible:

Matthew 6
"5 'And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.

"6 But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

...

"9 Pray then in this way:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."
etc.


But how will people know I'm a good person that they should listen to if they don't see me praying?
2012-07-04 02:55:13 PM
1 votes:
Waiting for the Muslim iman to be allowed to lead the invocation.

Like that will *ever* happen.
2012-07-04 02:18:32 PM
1 votes:
The funny part is they're trying to spin this as them being righteous crusaders for the Lord. Most local government is absolutely shady and corrupt, I don't care how many bibles and prayers you dump on it.
 
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