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2012-07-04 02:18:23 PM
I remember it was Real, Windows Media, and Quicktime all fighting over who was going to provide the dominant streaming video format for the web. Who could get better quality, etc, etc.

Then all of a sudden youtube showed up and put everything in flash with horrendous quality, and it was done. In a matter of months there was no debate, and it was as if there was never any other streaming format. Nobody even talked about it either - even in the rags. It was bizarre.

I have no idea how Real is still in business at all.
 
2012-07-04 02:45:43 PM
a0.twimg.com

Live streaming broadbrain?
 
2012-07-04 02:51:07 PM
I presume he's come back to turn off the lights.
 
2012-07-04 02:59:01 PM
Wait, that's still a thing? Do they have a Netscape plugin?
 
2012-07-04 03:03:36 PM
In other news, Real Networks is still in business.

/fair is fair
//y'all rag on CompuServe and newspapers all the time
///whose file format is still widely used? GIF, not RM! rah rah!
 
2012-07-04 03:19:04 PM

jtown: Wait, that's still a thing? Do they have a Netscape plugin?


Will it work with Cool Talk or Pointcast?
 
2012-07-04 03:54:43 PM
First a Winamp thread last week, now a Real Player thread?

We gonna get a Compuserve or Juno thread next week?
 
2012-07-04 03:55:34 PM

Babwa Wawa: Then all of a sudden youtube showed up and put everything in flash with horrendous quality, and it was done. In a matter of months there was no debate, and it was as if there was never any other streaming format. Nobody even talked about it either - even in the rags. It was bizarre.


h.264 is "horrendous quality"?

Youtube supports "Full HD" (1080p), which is pretty snazzy.

Pretty much everyone has (and had at the time Youtube was founded) Flash installed already, so that made it an easy choice.
 
2012-07-04 04:03:16 PM

heypete: h.264 is "horrendous quality"?

Youtube supports "Full HD" (1080p), which is pretty snazzy.

Pretty much everyone has (and had at the time Youtube was founded) Flash installed already, so that made it an easy choice.


First off, it was horrible back then when videos were much lower res and flash video only supported mpeg2

Second off, resolution is only part of the quality equation, and a codec on it's own is no measure for quality. MPEG4 Part 10(h.264) at any given res and bitrate will be better than any MPEG 2 at the same res and bitrate, but saying that the codec on its own means the video will be of any quality is not true
 
2012-07-04 04:13:46 PM
Flash video has been around since 2002. A software company I worked was playing with it and if you knew action script well you could do some pretty cool tings.

We even did some live streaming with it for certain events but it was expensive. Plus if you did anything in high quality you'd spike the CPU and RAM on the server pretty good.
 
2012-07-04 04:24:23 PM

lohphat: Will it work with Cool Talk or Pointcast?


Wow. I had completely forgotten about Cool Talk.
 
2012-07-04 05:30:14 PM

the_sidewinder: and a codec on it's own


How can you know all that but not know that it's means it is?
 
2012-07-04 05:37:45 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: the_sidewinder: and a codec on it's own

How can you know all that but not know that it's means it is?


Because I suck with the typing too fast and not proofreading very well. I actually caught that mistake a few times in my post before I posted it. I often wish Fark worked like other message boards where I would have a limited time to correct my mistakes after I post, because we all know how effective that post preview button is
 
2012-07-04 05:40:27 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: the_sidewinder: and a codec on it's own

How can you know all that but not know that it's means it is?



A lot of people have a wealth of specific knowledge but lack in the general.

For example, how many people can quote the Dungeon Master's Guide word for word but don't know how to dress themselves? Not many, you say? Well then never mind!
 
2012-07-04 05:54:34 PM
There are few programs that I'll actively rail against. Realplayer and its descendants has long been one of them.
 
2012-07-04 06:00:28 PM
Isn't is amazing how far we have come? Netflix on my Roku and FIOS network is amazing in quality, and stability.
 
2012-07-04 06:34:00 PM
Realplayer sucks, didn't it used to come with a bunch of ad and bloatware too? Maybe I'm confusing it with something else, but for some reason I seem to recall a bunch of crap I had to delete.
 
2012-07-04 08:48:18 PM
It was astounding that you could watch any video at all on a 28.8kbps connection.

That said, I thought they were out of business.
 
2012-07-04 08:50:50 PM
content.bored.com

obligatory
 
2012-07-04 11:26:05 PM
Realplayer does the 24/7 Big Brother online feed for the US game show so they likely make OK money there. Can't be too much though.
 
2012-07-05 01:49:18 AM

trotsky: Realplayer sucks, didn't it used to come with a bunch of ad and bloatware too? Maybe I'm confusing it with something else, but for some reason I seem to recall a bunch of crap I had to delete.


I think you're right. I also seem to remember that at some point in the late 90's, new versions of RealPlayer (and some related program whose name I've forgotten) started to "phone home", presumably to let Real know what sorts of things you were using it for. That little scandal soured a lot of people on the company and its products.
 
2012-07-05 01:59:52 AM
A footnote in the pages of history..same with RIM in a short while and AOL
 
2012-07-05 02:49:28 AM

trotsky: Realplayer sucks, didn't it used to come with a bunch of ad and bloatware too? Maybe I'm confusing it with something else, but for some reason I seem to recall a bunch of crap I had to delete.


Oh yes. It tracked users, took over system resources and file associations, sent ads and became quite bloated with unneeded and unwanted features all merrily devouring your system resources. Evidently there are newer versions that may be better, but as I personally won't touch Realplayer with a shiatty stick I can''t tell you.

If you must, go with Real Alternative.
 
2012-07-05 08:21:15 AM
Real Networks is still around?
 
2012-07-05 09:39:34 AM
Harry_Seldon: Isn't is amazing how far we have come? Netflix on my Roku and FIOS network is amazing in quality, and stability.

Unfortunately, Netflix went with MS Silverlight as its PC video player. Silverlight may be an impressive piece of software for other applications, but as a video player it is utter crap. Worse than any freeware video player I've ever used.

It doesn't understand buffering. It often can't make up its mind about aspect ratios and will change them randomly during playback. It often doesn't do full-screen properly, and it often fails to synch sound to video. And it's a hog.

Meanwhile, in fine MS tradition, it has an utter shiat interface. The user has almost no control over anything. You can't give it a minimum video quality, so almost all videos start off with bad video quality that slowly improves as its manages to buffer a bit. You can't even fast-forward or rewind.

Netflix is nice and cheap, but the service is a disaster. They'll be eaten alive once they have any serious competition.
 
2012-07-05 11:33:37 AM
I threw Glaser out of a party once.

/ CSB
 
2012-07-05 11:49:02 AM
I guess no one else woud give him a job after his prior performance and he has enough stock to sway the board in hiring him again.

Srsly. Many Silicon Valey CEOs are sociopaths and have a reputation as such. Not only do they create a reputation that causes former employees and the investment community to stay away from them, they live in a bubble where they think they're geniuses and surround themselves with sycophants.

"Hey! I think I can turn this around!"

You are no Steve Jobs. The reason he succeeded was he was a sociopath with enough money.

Derp.
 
2012-07-05 09:43:15 PM

lohphat: I guess no one else woud give him a job after his prior performance and he has enough stock to sway the board in hiring him again.

Srsly. Many Silicon Valey CEOs are sociopaths and have a reputation as such. Not only do they create a reputation that causes former employees and the investment community to stay away from them, they live in a bubble where they think they're geniuses and surround themselves with sycophants.

"Hey! I think I can turn this around!"

You are no Steve Jobs. The reason he succeeded was he was a sociopath with enough money.

Derp.


That's a gross oversimplification. Steve Jobs may have been a sociopath with lots of money, but he also had excellent taste and extreme attention to detail.
 
2012-07-05 11:41:08 PM

anfrind: That's a gross oversimplification. Steve Jobs may have been a sociopath with lots of money, but he also had excellent taste and extreme attention to detail.


At what expense?

Millions of devices with non-replaceable batteries creating a hazmat nightmare? Reliance on slave-like manufacturing facilities? Non-cooperation with existing standard to force companies to spend a lot of money to support his consumer-grade, unpredictable compatibility, and premium "solutions".

The waste and overhead costs he personally initiated with his "excellent taste and attention to detail" are immense.

I have an iPad but it's a sad testament to consumerist obsolescence that society has to pay to clean up. Privatized gains, socialized losses.
 
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