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(Rolling Stone)   Def Leppard rerecording their old hits, calling them "forgeries" as a way to spite their record label   (rollingstone.com) divider line 78
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2012-07-04 01:15:27 PM
They're not my favorites, but I like this move.
 
2012-07-04 01:32:36 PM
Great job, guys. Everyone, let's give them all a great big hand! Especially the drummer!
 
2012-07-04 01:35:36 PM
I bet the lawyers get paid......
 
2012-07-04 02:03:28 PM
What has 9 arms and sucks?
 
2012-07-04 02:12:18 PM
DL haven't been a proper rock band in decades. They've adopted an AOR sound that caters to 40+-year-old women who still lust after Rick Savage, despite his Bells' Palsy.
 
2012-07-04 02:15:42 PM
i saw their show on the 23rd. they f*cking delivered, especially Rick Savage.
 
2012-07-04 02:21:15 PM
^^^

Really? Every performance I've seen of them over the last few years seems so... sequenced. I'm not saying they're playing to tracks or tapes (especially Elliot- wow his voice is shot), but they've taken any semblence of distortion and danger out of their sound.
 
2012-07-04 02:24:15 PM
meanwhile...
opening up for Def Leppard currently is...
www.braingell.com
/hot
//still
 
2012-07-04 02:25:49 PM
While the idea is god, the execution is usually terrible.

My parents buy cd's of classic 50s - 70s music. Most are compilations. They always bought cds's with "by the original artists". There's the caveat. Pop the cd in, and hear a past their prime singer along with tinny sound. I had to teach them to only buy original recordings by the original artists. Many had to do this to get around their record labels. Sad, but you don't sound at 50 what you did at 20.
 
2012-07-04 02:27:40 PM
They haven't been good since the accident. Nobody seems to want to say it, but it's true.
 
2012-07-04 02:33:03 PM
i said...
litafordonline.com
 
2012-07-04 02:35:56 PM
a fairly common move, especially for bands of this generation who signed shiat contracts guaranteeing ownership of their master recordings to "The Label". 30 years on, the band can't control the use of those songs or in some cases, get royalties for their use in TV / movies so the only way the band can regain some measure of control over recordings is to make new ones.



"hey everybody here's 'Photograph', but....2012 vintage!"
 
2012-07-04 02:40:47 PM
Worked for Lionel Richie
 
2012-07-04 02:46:33 PM

basemetal: I bet the lawyers get paid......


This move is designed to short circuit that. Since these are forgeries, the label could of course sue Def Leppard for copyright infringement of their own music, but to do that, they would need the go-ahead from... Def Leppard. That's what Eliot is referring to here when he says "don't even ask".
 
2012-07-04 03:00:14 PM
looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...
 
2012-07-04 03:01:19 PM

hbk72777: While the idea is god, the execution is usually terrible.

My parents buy cd's of classic 50s - 70s music. Most are compilations. They always bought cds's with "by the original artists". There's the caveat. Pop the cd in, and hear a past their prime singer along with tinny sound. I had to teach them to only buy original recordings by the original artists. Many had to do this to get around their record labels. Sad, but you don't sound at 50 what you did at 20.


So much technology now to manipulate sound from the actual performance.
 
2012-07-04 03:15:30 PM

rickythepenguin: a fairly common move, especially for bands of this generation who signed shiat contracts guaranteeing ownership of their master recordings to "The Label". 30 years on, the band can't control the use of those songs or in some cases, get royalties for their use in TV / movies so the only way the band can regain some measure of control over recordings is to make new ones.


Poor bastards, they'll be reduced to the level of common bakers, baking new bread every day just to pay rent..
 
2012-07-04 03:18:09 PM

Jamdug!: What has 9 arms and sucks?


This joke needs a drum roll
 
2012-07-04 03:32:36 PM

Jamdug!: What has 9 arms and sucks?


Came to post exactly this, dammit.
 
2012-07-04 04:02:13 PM
Auto-tuned DL.
 
2012-07-04 04:11:03 PM
Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??
 
2012-07-04 04:21:19 PM

killzoe: Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??


Why would you want to buy them with him, either?

Seriously, though, this piece makes no farking sense. It states the band has control of the catalog and the label can't touch them, right?

So, what exactly is the problem? It's not as if the label is releasing Greatest Hits comps of the old tracks without their permission (see Living Colour, Pink Floyd, almost everyone else).

And what's cool about attempting to record perfect copies of old songs?

This is just stupid on about eight different levels.
 
2012-07-04 04:22:10 PM

Jamdug!: What has 9 arms and sucks?


Your mother the mutant prostitute!
 
2012-07-04 04:32:34 PM

mat catastrophe: killzoe: Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??

Why would you want to buy them with him, either?

Seriously, though, this piece makes no farking sense. It states the band has control of the catalog and the label can't touch them, right?

So, what exactly is the problem? It's not as if the label is releasing Greatest Hits comps of the old tracks without their permission (see Living Colour, Pink Floyd, almost everyone else).

And what's cool about attempting to record perfect copies of old songs?

This is just stupid on about eight different levels.


Because they have control of the songs but their royalty contract is bad. They probably get nothing from downloads, and probably made that decision well before anyone knew it would actually make money, like many have done in television, film, and music(Jhonen Vasquez comes to mind). They're trying to force Universal to renegotiate their contract.
 
rpl
2012-07-04 04:34:09 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

That is all I have to say on the matter.

/loves DL
//even "Slang". A little bit.
///all the way to "X"
////"Sparkle Lounge" was shiat
//Slashie...err, I mean, uh, PhilCollenies
 
2012-07-04 04:52:58 PM

killzoe: Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??


Guess that's where I'm sitting.
I find Viv uninspiring as a player since he left Dio.
 
2012-07-04 04:56:47 PM

1979: i said...
[litafordonline.com image 640x347]


She doesn't look like that anymore and her music is terrible.
 
2012-07-04 04:58:20 PM

bhcompy: mat catastrophe: killzoe: Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??

Why would you want to buy them with him, either?

Seriously, though, this piece makes no farking sense. It states the band has control of the catalog and the label can't touch them, right?

So, what exactly is the problem? It's not as if the label is releasing Greatest Hits comps of the old tracks without their permission (see Living Colour, Pink Floyd, almost everyone else).

And what's cool about attempting to record perfect copies of old songs?

This is just stupid on about eight different levels.

Because they have control of the songs but their royalty contract is bad. They probably get nothing from downloads, and probably made that decision well before anyone knew it would actually make money, like many have done in television, film, and music(Jhonen Vasquez comes to mind). They're trying to force Universal to renegotiate their contract.


So would it have been so hard for the writer to put that in the actual......

Oh, Rolling Stone. Nevermind.
 
2012-07-04 04:58:47 PM
I will get my acid washed jeans and head on down to the record store and buy it, (they still have those correct????)
 
2012-07-04 05:01:05 PM

mat catastrophe: bhcompy: mat catastrophe: killzoe: Why would I want to buy versions of these songs that don't have Steve Clark??

Why would you want to buy them with him, either?

Seriously, though, this piece makes no farking sense. It states the band has control of the catalog and the label can't touch them, right?

So, what exactly is the problem? It's not as if the label is releasing Greatest Hits comps of the old tracks without their permission (see Living Colour, Pink Floyd, almost everyone else).

And what's cool about attempting to record perfect copies of old songs?

This is just stupid on about eight different levels.

Because they have control of the songs but their royalty contract is bad. They probably get nothing from downloads, and probably made that decision well before anyone knew it would actually make money, like many have done in television, film, and music(Jhonen Vasquez comes to mind). They're trying to force Universal to renegotiate their contract.

So would it have been so hard for the writer to put that in the actual......

Oh, Rolling Stone. Nevermind.


Oh, hey, look. The farking story in Billboard mentioned by Failing Stone actually talks about this.

I had no idea that RS was turning into a cheap rehash factory of other people's news now. I guess they're on board with HuffPo and all the rest.
 
2012-07-04 05:03:43 PM
The best thing that happened to def leppard is nirvana.
 
2012-07-04 05:04:32 PM
pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-07-04 05:40:43 PM
my Pyromania cassette had pink grip-tape on it.

/Me thinks that dates me to ... ~1986? 87?
 
2012-07-04 05:52:05 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-04 05:54:14 PM
Anything but the original recording is shiat.

If you want to full out suck, and admit you have nothing left in the tank, produce crap cover versions of your own hits. Telling everyone you re fighting The Man doesn't help.
 
2012-07-04 06:07:03 PM

Jamdug!: What has 9 arms and sucks?


Your mom and her sisters?
 
2012-07-04 06:08:23 PM

1979: meanwhile...
opening up for Def Leppard currently is...

/hot
//still


Not hot, not talented. But I'm sure she was a favorite backstage.
 
2012-07-04 06:10:58 PM

havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...


I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.
 
2012-07-04 06:29:25 PM

cygnusx13: havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...

I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.


www.metalsucks.net
 
Slu
2012-07-04 07:35:37 PM

cygnusx13: havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...

I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.


I was right there with you until you said Megadeath was any good. They may suck more than the other two bands, which is saying something.
 
2012-07-04 07:35:52 PM
Joe Elliott's voice is totally shot. They'll have to auto-tune the crap out of him (thus making him sound like a manly Katy Perry).

/get off my lawn
//still have my original Pyromania cassette
///still have my original On Through The Night vinyl album
 
2012-07-04 07:38:49 PM

Slu: cygnusx13: havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...

I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.

I was right there with you until you said Megadeath was any good. They may suck more than the other two bands, which is saying something.


You are entitled to your (incorrect) opinion. At least we shared a moment of brotherhood. I'll miss the good times.
 
2012-07-04 07:50:31 PM

unyon: basemetal: I bet the lawyers get paid......

This move is designed to short circuit that. Since these are forgeries, the label could of course sue Def Leppard for copyright infringement of their own music, but to do that, they would need the go-ahead from... Def Leppard. That's what Eliot is referring to here when he says "don't even ask".


You don't need the permission of the songwriter (or, more correctly, the composition copyright holder) to make a soundalike of a recording. You just pay them the compulsory mechanical license fee.

If you and I wanted to record a perfect copy of Pyromania, neither Def Leppard nor their record company could do anything about it.
 
2012-07-04 07:55:39 PM
It's just not DL without Steaming Steve
 
2012-07-04 08:06:58 PM

cygnusx13: havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...

I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.


I enjoyed Bon Jovi's first 2 albums, Leppard's first 3. That has as much to do with my adolescent musical development as the music itself. Megadeth started strong, but has been hit or miss since.

/late 70
//I appreciate artists trying to stick it to the record companies, but these remakes are invariably horrid in spirit and execution.
 
2012-07-04 08:26:17 PM
The re-records sound horrible, and not perfect forgeries by any means. If you want the song, go buy the CD, or hit up bittorrent.

Vivian Campbell intends to tour with what is left of Dio in the winter I think he said. Not the same without Ronnie, though if Ronnie was around, the reunion would never happen. The two didn't seem to be on speaking terms a few years ago, so this is about the best version of Rainbow In the Dark live you will hear these days.
 
2012-07-04 08:39:10 PM

cygnusx13: Slu: cygnusx13: havocmike: looks around thread... sees no one born after 1980.. backs out of saying Def Leppard sucks, even though they totally do...

I was born in '71. And they suck. So does Bon Jovi which makes sense since they're the same band.

Gimme Megadeth from the same period.

I was right there with you until you said Megadeath was any good. They may suck more than the other two bands, which is saying something.

You are entitled to your (incorrect) opinion. At least we shared a moment of brotherhood. I'll miss the good times.




Megadeth was always behind Metallica for most of the metal crowd growing up. But I have to say, they're stuff stayed more relevant and has held up better. As nutty as Mustaine is, he's also releasing the best stuff currently out of the classic metal bands.
 
2012-07-04 09:11:18 PM

jicon:

Vivian Campbell intends to tour with what is left of Dio in the winter I think he said. Not the same without Ronnie, though if Ronnie was around, the reunion would never happen. The two didn't seem to be on speaking terms a few years ago, so this is about the best version of Rainbow In the Dark live you will hear these days.


Vivian Campbell can fark himself with a Nightswan.
Ronnie made him and Viv was a classless POS for his actions when RJD died.

/Yeah, I'm still hurting somewhat bout Dio's death. Him and Mark Knopfler were my rock and roll heroes.
 
2012-07-04 09:31:43 PM
Vivian Campbell is supposedly one of the rudest, meanest, most self-absorbed rockers alive. He's been overly honest about being in DL not because he cares about them, but instead it was one of the best brands he could hitch his diva star on 20 years ago.

Rick Savage used to be like Venus as a boy to me (thanks, Bjork). In recent years, he was more likely to resemble Farrah Fawcett as a junkie. Those wigs ... damn.

Joe Elliott, sadly, continues his slide into madness. I will never forgive him for shrugging off Steve's death with the remark that it was like one's 99 y.o. granny dying. He also ranted and raved in a 2010 interview that DL never got a magazine cover in the UK, while Morrissey, Paul Weller, etc. got plenty. His band sold millions of albums in the USA, dammit!!

Well, buster, for one thing ... the Leps are no Oasis, never mind the Beatles or Stones.

Did he & the boys spend that much on drugs, booze and lord knows what else back in the heady days? "Hope I die before I get old" (thanks, Pete Townshend) must've been taken too much to heart.
 
2012-07-04 10:13:35 PM
who are they fuh fuh fuh foolin?
 
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