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2012-07-04 03:59:03 PM  
A living thing eh? So wouldn't folding it up and stuffing it in a box be considered animal abuse? Or for that matter tying it to a rope and dragging it up a pole. I wonder if we can get PETA on the case.
 
2012-07-04 04:02:11 PM  
 
2012-07-04 04:23:13 PM  
Is it OK to write on the flag to commemorate a special event?
 
2012-07-04 04:28:19 PM  

wrenchboy: mat catastrophe: [www.pajamadeen.com image 310x450]


There was more outrage over Janet's ugly nipple then Kid Cock's mishandling the flag at that Superbowl.


In hindsight, it would have been awesome to file an FCC complaint over that.
 
2012-07-04 04:31:28 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


looks like you forgot to remember the 8th of November.
 
2012-07-04 04:34:13 PM  

scubamage: I see nothing preventing me from using the flag as toilet paper! So that's how the republicans get away with it!


Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.

I suggest you chat up these Marines these Marines about your disrespect.

media.knoxnews.com

Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.
 
2012-07-04 04:42:14 PM  
totalobscurity.typepad.com
Patriot or Subversive Cat?
 
2012-07-04 04:44:23 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.


OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:

weaselzippers.us
 
2012-07-04 04:55:13 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


The Fourth of July predates Independence Day. And I don't mean that in the sense that the calendar existed before Independence Day but rather the term Independence Day wasn't used until years after independence. The Federal govenment didn't even consider it a holiday until after the Civil War. Of couse if one wants to be snarky, they could say it's because Fourth of July is easier to spell than Independence Day. Which is too bad because it could make for some funny Tea Party signs.

What's interesting though is that unlike most countries, the national holiday of the United States is the day that the intention to be independent was declared publicly rather than when it was achived. It wasn't until the signing of the Treaty of Paris on September 3, 1783 that Great Britian recognized the United States as an independent nation.
 
2012-07-04 04:59:27 PM  

downstairs: Aigoo: ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.

That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.

Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...


Clinton is also left handed...
 
2012-07-04 05:16:36 PM  

Tophersky: downstairs: Aigoo: ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.

That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.

Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...

Clinton is also left handed...


The photo URL itself says Bush. With Google Image Search it can be specified that it is President Bush on a July 24, 2003 visit to Beaver Aerospace & Defense Inc.
 
2012-07-04 05:16:49 PM  
scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.
 
2012-07-04 05:49:16 PM  
NeoCortex42

I don't think that's the author being 'tard. The first part is a list of things people commonly "know" about the flag code. Following that is the list of things actually in the flag code. It's the same as saying everybody knows the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution. Then going on to actually list what's in there.

In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text reads: "... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
 
2012-07-04 05:52:14 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


Conversely, I always wondered why every single holiday in spanish speaking countries is referred to by the day, rather than by what it means. It would be much easier to remember "Independencia" than "9 de Julio"
 
2012-07-04 05:53:47 PM  

tony41454: The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.


However, as you note, it is the direct, contemporary interpretation of the first amendment by a founding father.
 
2012-07-04 05:59:46 PM  
nobody? really?
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2012-07-04 06:00:42 PM  

Oznog: [scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com image 450x298]

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.

i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 06:08:31 PM  
Is there a grown-up version of TFA available? Miss Snarky McSnarkerator is making me feel stabby.
 
2012-07-04 06:17:07 PM  

bel4sucks: Damn I was hoping this one would have a line about state flags too, for the huge amount of dumbass texans who claim that theirs is the only one who can fly at the same height as the US flag.


Prior to June 14th, 1923, there were no official guidelines governing the display of the US flag. Texas joined the union in 1845. At the time, it was customary for the US flag to be flown higher than state flags. Because it was widely understood that Texans were better than everyone else, Texas asked for and received the honor of flying their flag at the same height as the US flag. However, that concession was rendered moot when all states were given that privilege when the flag code was adopted in 1923.

So, you were sort of right. Fortunately, there was a Texan around to set you straight.
 
2012-07-04 06:26:40 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.

I suggest you chat up these Marines these Marines about your disrespect.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Are you saying that a respectable marine would disrespect then constitution and the corps?
UNPOSSIBLE!!

Plus a big old marine kicking the shiat out of some simpering little internet tough guy?
We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impressed.
 
2012-07-04 06:29:02 PM  

buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:

[weaselzippers.us image 550x366]


Dont bother. He is one of those jingoistic people who think symbols are more important than the actual constitution and the actual freedoms.
 
2012-07-04 06:30:50 PM  
Do you know why people in other countries burn the US flag in protest of something the US does? Because it is the biggest insult that they can think of. Because in their country they are not free to burn their own flag. Jail or death.

we live a FREE country. we can burn our flag. and it is legal. period.
You might not like it, but it IS the price we pay to live in a free society.

/I will pick free society over a symbol every day.
 
2012-07-04 06:46:41 PM  

namatad: Do you know why people in other countries burn the US flag in protest of something the US does? Because it is the biggest insult that they can think of. Because in their country they are not free to burn their own flag. Jail or death.

we live a FREE country. we can burn our flag. and it is legal. period.
You might not like it, but it IS the price we pay to live in a free society.

/I will pick free society over a symbol every day.


If there were a "Like" button, I'd click it.
 
2012-07-04 06:46:59 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Reading the U.S. flag code comes off as an adult version of the game where you pretend the floor is made out of lava and start inventing rules about how you are allowed to cross it.


It's not enforceable or anything, basically it exists because the government was tired about people arguing over whether x or y random thing was the proper way to handle the flag, so they made a bunch of official, definite answers so that no one could harass them because they felt the union should be hung vertically instead of horizontally or whatever.

Basically the code is a convenience to prevent certain people from being disruptive and off-topic in meetings and so on. This was a lot more important earlier in our nation's history when it was traditional for loyalists to regard their nation's flag as a sacred symbol of their monarchy or whatever-- while we as a nation never really held with that shiat, we did have an interest in appeasing the few citizens that did.

The only part of it that's particularly relevant to anyone who doesn't know one of these obsessive people is probably the civilian salute (remove hat, place right hand, open, over chest), as that's generally considered basic courtesy from citizens (not saluting isn't a crime, just rude). Other than that flag code is only as important to your social group as it is to the most nitpicky member of that group.
 
2012-07-04 07:31:30 PM  
flucking flaggots!!!
 
2012-07-04 07:35:35 PM  

Gimmick: Prior to June 14th, 1923, there were no official guidelines governing the display of the US flag. Texas joined the union in 1845. At the time, it was customary for the US flag to be flown higher than state flags. Because it was widely understood that Texans were better than everyone else, Texas asked for and received the honor of flying their flag at the same height as the US flag. However, that concession was rendered moot when all states were given that privilege when the flag code was adopted in 1923.

So, you were sort of right. Fortunately, there was a Texan around to set you straight.


lololol proving for the 897,456,718th time on this website alone that putting the word dumbass in front of the word texan is just redundant.

Link
 
2012-07-04 07:54:53 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The only part of it that's particularly relevant to anyone who doesn't know one of these obsessive people is probably the civilian salute (remove hat, place right hand, open, over chest), as that's generally considered basic courtesy from citizens (not saluting isn't a crime, just rude). Other than that flag code is only as important to your social group as it is to the most nitpicky member of that group.


And, as a moderate liberal, I find that disappointing. The flag should be accorded respect - even if you're burning it, the whole point of burning it is to make a statement about the country at that time.

We are a society that is slowly discarding shared rituals, replacing them with the smaller, insular, self-identifying rituals of smaller groups and divisions, pushing us that much farther away from some form of common ground. It seems stupid, but I find the rituals associated with the flag almost comforting - at one time, quite a few of us actually cared about these rituals, and these rituals were shared across the country. Now, the National Flag Code is just fodder for Trivial Pursuit cards and Internet arguments. It saddens me, just a little.
 
2012-07-04 07:57:06 PM  

Oznog: [scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com image 450x298]

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.


At least they dropped the arm outstretched salute of the 40s. The rules are varied and complex designed to placate people, sell flags, and promote support of National Socialism, and it was all just thrown together and labelled as patriotic. How else can we prove how evil the other side we are quailing with this month is?
 
2012-07-04 08:01:02 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-04 08:02:56 PM  

buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:



I disagree.

The former photo shows a supreme sacrifice having been made. The latter photo, there's no real sacrifice, just protest.

This is not to say we should be unable to burn the flag as a form of protest, I'm saying that when the flag drapes the casket of a KIA serviceman/woman, there's a whole other level of meaning and loss at work.
 
2012-07-04 08:24:33 PM  

akula: buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:



I disagree.

The former photo shows a supreme sacrifice having been made. The latter photo, there's no real sacrifice, just protest.

This is not to say we should be unable to burn the flag as a form of protest, I'm saying that when the flag drapes the casket of a KIA serviceman/woman, there's a whole other level of meaning and loss at work.


I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent; to me, both show the importance of the flag, and the respect for it, but in different ways. One shows it as a beloved symbol of sacrifice. The other shows it as a symbol of a beloved thing being destroyed from within, and the contempt for that destruction. They're both valuable to me.
 
2012-07-04 08:30:48 PM  

akula: I disagree.


On this day and in this place, I'm glad we can disagree without bloodshed. Happy fourth.
 
2012-07-04 08:34:51 PM  

buckler: akula: I disagree.

On this day and in this place, I'm glad we can disagree without bloodshed. Happy fourth.


Amen
 
2012-07-04 09:34:05 PM  
Why burn a flag. It would be better to burn some politicians
 
2012-07-04 10:02:50 PM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 11:18:58 PM  

Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]


Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.
 
2012-07-04 11:30:05 PM  

Aigoo: Oh, wait, I'm sorry... the mere mention of a politicians name from your party or not sends you into a tizzy, where you stop hearing anything and need to either defend or attack. Learn. To. Read. People.

I love how you folks are so intent on ascribing political motive to shiat where - surprise! - there is none.

You are ALL - both sides - what is wrong with America.


Well said.

Needs to be repeated in EVERY. FARKING. POLITICAL. THREAD. EVER.

(and every Global Warming thread)
 
2012-07-04 11:53:27 PM  
How about embroidered; not printed as a rule?

Why not also require them to be American made?

/Liberal but patriotic
 
2012-07-05 12:29:13 AM  
jamesostafford.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-05 12:53:46 AM  
No one has mentioned of the "...one nation under G-d..." bit in the Pledge of Allegiance?
 
2012-07-05 01:35:14 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.


You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.
 
2012-07-05 01:54:25 AM  

buckler: Pruritic Perineum: serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag.

Seems to my memory that the proper disposal method involves separating the field from the stripes. The stripes can then be used as a rag or trashed or burnt. The field is to be buried. Usually several fields are buried together.

I never heard that. Interesting. It makes sense in a time when cloths and rags weren't discarded unnecessarily. Funny that the field, which is the hardest part to make by hand, would be given the greatest respect.


It's also wrong. That's a common element in a ceremony, but it's not required. The only requirement is that the burning be respectful.

\Did a couple in the Scouts
\\BTW, if you have an old flag that needs proper disposal, give it to a local Boy Scout troop.
 
2012-07-05 02:11:29 AM  
*eight million kittens in N-space carefully tie tiny American-made American flags to their tails and respectfully pose with beflagged tails held vertical*
 
2012-07-05 03:35:24 AM  

Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]


Go Cap, go!
 
2012-07-05 04:39:12 AM  
You Americans do have a passion for your flag, don't you?

In the UK, the only flag rule I know is not to fly the Union Jack upside down.as that is a distress signal.

Although given the eyesight you need to notice the slight asymmetry of the flag, I'd imagine you'd have scenes as:

"I say," (he's British) "I do believe yonder chappie is flying the flag upside down. Perhaps the blighter's in distress."

"Which chappie?"

"The one who's boat's on fire."
 
2012-07-05 04:54:40 AM  
Suck it, lesser states:
www.stockpodium.com
 
2012-07-05 05:24:55 AM  

jomauk59: You Americans do have a passion for your flag, don't you?

In the UK, the only flag rule I know is not to fly the Union Jack upside down.as that is a distress signal.

Although given the eyesight you need to notice the slight asymmetry of the flag, I'd imagine you'd have scenes as:

"I say," (he's British) "I do believe yonder chappie is flying the flag upside down. Perhaps the blighter's in distress."

"Which chappie?"

"The one who's boat's on fire."


Ha. You just reminded me of an episode of "Junkyard Wars" (or "Scrapheap Challenge" if you wish), in which an English team was trying to build a boat. One guy had pieced together a number of sections of cloth or rubber with rubber cement, then used a grinder nearby. The boat pieces immediately went up in a conflagration, and the guy called to a teammate "excuse me! May I have some water, please?" The teammate said "yes, of course. How much would you like?" "Oh a bucketful or so please," When the guy got there with the water, he asked "right, where would you like it, then?", and the builder said "oh, just there, please. Right where the fire is." "Right," said the guy. It was mind-boggling. In America, the exchange would have been "Damn! Water!", and the guy would have just poured it on.
 
2012-07-05 06:07:24 AM  

AirborneBuckeye: ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?

Apparently depends on your hair color
[www.blogcdn.com image 525x735]
[quantumconservative.com image 288x504]


Technically that's more like bunting than a flag...
 
2012-07-05 08:26:10 AM  

downstairs: jaylectricity: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

The actual date is the important thing to remember about Independence Day. In your other examples, Christmas is just an arbitrary day that was chosen to celebrate Jesus's birth. We usually wish people a Happy New Year because we are extending our wishes for the entire year. And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.

Good point.

And, yes, me and the Mrs. don't celebrate the fake 2/14 holiday.


I find it amusing that so many people buy into the urban legend that Valentine's Day was made up by some company to sell something.

/You're confusing it with Sweetest Day, which is really was made up by a chocolate company.
 
2012-07-05 08:31:29 AM  

ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?


I think that should be obvious: both breasts should be exposed.
 
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