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2012-07-04 10:09:43 AM  
FTFA: 10. And if you're thinking of using the flag as a receptacle, take note: "The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything."

Great. I guess I need to find a new fap rag.
 
2012-07-04 10:42:06 AM  
12. Per the code, the flag is to be considered a living thing.


Does that mean we can't abort it?
 
2012-07-04 10:45:30 AM  
Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".
 
2012-07-04 10:45:54 AM  
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 10:46:52 AM  
my rule of thumb:

if there is a picture of a flag on your clothing, it's ok.

if it looks like your garment was made out of a flag, it's disrespectful.
 
2012-07-04 10:48:52 AM  

cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".


Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...
 
2012-07-04 11:10:37 AM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....
 
2012-07-04 11:12:05 AM  
'MERIKUH, FARK YEAH!

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2012-07-04 11:16:11 AM  
Had to actually sit there and remember about the direction of a flag hanging in a street, especially since I'm not far from the home of the oldest active 4th of July Parade in Bristol, Rhode Island (though I've never actually been to it - don't remember why I didn't go the year my brother marched in it, probably something to do with my godson's 1st birthday party...). It's on TV too, though you can't see the Union from the camera angle.

\got friends there now, actually
 
2012-07-04 11:17:08 AM  
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2012-07-04 11:18:22 AM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


The actual date is the important thing to remember about Independence Day. In your other examples, Christmas is just an arbitrary day that was chosen to celebrate Jesus's birth. We usually wish people a Happy New Year because we are extending our wishes for the entire year. And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.
 
2012-07-04 11:38:49 AM  

Godscrack: [img411.imageshack.us image 305x478]


Why. Why do you post this?

Lord, smite him with all your smiting ability.

/all smitey today
 
2012-07-04 11:45:45 AM  

FriarReb98: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....


TL;DR version: We're lazy.
 
2012-07-04 11:45:47 AM  

FriarReb98: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....


So the answer is...we're lazy?
 
2012-07-04 11:46:45 AM  

cmunic8r99: TL;DR version: We're lazy.


2 seconds

*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-07-04 11:52:50 AM  

jaylectricity: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

The actual date is the important thing to remember about Independence Day. In your other examples, Christmas is just an arbitrary day that was chosen to celebrate Jesus's birth. We usually wish people a Happy New Year because we are extending our wishes for the entire year. And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.


Good point.

And, yes, me and the Mrs. don't celebrate the fake 2/14 holiday.
 
2012-07-04 12:28:50 PM  

cmunic8r99: FriarReb98: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....

TL;DR version: We're lazy.


SurfaceTension: FriarReb98: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....

So the answer is...we're lazy?


Or letting the spendthrift Scots/Irish roots run wild and free, either way....
 
2012-07-04 12:35:15 PM  
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2012-07-04 12:37:44 PM  
I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag. Do something a little more disrespectful than that if you want people to take you seriously.

Also, how come we wait until the 4th of July to add a new star for a new state? Flag Day is it's own holiday, seems like the more appropriate way to handle flag-related business.
 
2012-07-04 12:52:28 PM  
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2012-07-04 12:54:29 PM  

downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]


Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.
 
2012-07-04 12:54:46 PM  
I see nothing preventing me from using the flag as toilet paper! So that's how the republicans get away with it!
 
2012-07-04 12:58:09 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: 10. And if you're thinking of using the flag as a receptacle, take note: "The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything."

Great. I guess I need to find a new fap rag.


Use a Canadian flag. They aren't really a country anyway.
 
2012-07-04 01:01:38 PM  

jaylectricity: And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.


Bullshiat, any day that gives me an excuse to drink excessively or spoil my woman(if I have one at the time) is a holiday.

/easier to remember than an anniversary
//when single it's pretty rare that I just drink on Valentine's day.
///cocaine and heroin for everyone!
////everyone means me, I don't buy drugs very often and when I do they're mine.
 
2012-07-04 01:02:49 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


Yeah, and it's never 5th of May, instead of Cinco de Mayo...
 
2012-07-04 01:03:10 PM  
It is also illegal to display the flag in the same area occupied by Barack Obama.
 
2012-07-04 01:04:09 PM  
How stupid.
 
2012-07-04 01:04:44 PM  

scubamage: I see nothing preventing me from using the flag as toilet paper! So that's how the republicans get away with it!


Not sure if serious, but #11 would like a word
 
2012-07-04 01:05:19 PM  

Arkanaut: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

Yeah, and it's never 5th of May, instead of Cinco de Mayo...


Which is funny because its an American holiday.
 
2012-07-04 01:08:28 PM  
Already posted this once today. Fits better here, though.

www.porhomme.com
 
2012-07-04 01:08:51 PM  
did i miss it? i didn't see anything about it touching the ground; i thought that was a flag crime too.
 
2012-07-04 01:09:59 PM  
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What about eating it?
 
2012-07-04 01:10:35 PM  

SurfaceTension: cmunic8r99: TL;DR version: We're lazy.

2 seconds

*shakes tiny fist*


well if you weren't so lazy...

Happy Independence Day! The high point of the Age of Reason.
 
2012-07-04 01:11:32 PM  
15. Do not expect to be allowed to display your flag if your home is part of an HOA.
 
2012-07-04 01:13:01 PM  
Reading the U.S. flag code comes off as an adult version of the game where you pretend the floor is made out of lava and start inventing rules about how you are allowed to cross it.
 
2012-07-04 01:13:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: 12. Per the code, the flag is to be considered a living thing.


Does that mean we can't abort it?


Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
 
2012-07-04 01:15:46 PM  

serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag. Do something a little more disrespectful than that if you want people to take you seriously.

Also, how come we wait until the 4th of July to add a new star for a new state? Flag Day is it's own holiday, seems like the more appropriate way to handle flag-related business.


Incoming snorefest:

It's the day we, as a nation, recognize that we declared our independence of Britain and became a nation. We add the star to the Union on that day rather than Flag Day (which has a separate historical meaning) as a symbolic gesture, recognizing that the new state is now part our nation which we recognize as having been created on July 4th, which is the date at the top of the Declaration of Independence.
 
2012-07-04 01:18:14 PM  
Ah, the flag code. What a little bunch of fascists we were in Boy Scouts. *adjusts onion*

To that end, if you're going to fly the flag, at least keep it in good shape. A tattered flag is disrespectful at best.

/has no problem with flag-burning
//free speech for great justice
 
2012-07-04 01:19:02 PM  
13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?
 
2012-07-04 01:19:30 PM  

chairmenmeow47: did i miss it? i didn't see anything about it touching the ground; i thought that was a flag crime too.


Technically, no. You are supposed to treat it with respect/deference, but letting it accidentally touch the ground is not an issue. Letting it drag on the ground through laziness/incompetence/whatever does violate US Code, though.
 
2012-07-04 01:19:34 PM  

ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.


That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.
 
2012-07-04 01:20:17 PM  
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"The day I set my flag down, it'll be over my body or over a nation I believe in."
 
2012-07-04 01:21:22 PM  

kkinnison: 13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?


Just one of the many reasons that proposed amendment was retarded.
 
2012-07-04 01:21:45 PM  

kkinnison: 13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?



It's only wrong if you are properly disposing of the flag as an exercise of the First Amendment.
 
2012-07-04 01:22:09 PM  

Aigoo: ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.

That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.


Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...
 
2012-07-04 01:23:20 PM  
Letting it drag on the ground through laziness/incompetence/whatever does violate US Code, though

especially if it's a "living thing". for such a domestic violence call, i wonder if the flag would have to find a different pole to fly on for the night.
 
2012-07-04 01:24:52 PM  
One of the great misconceptions about flag-handling is that if the flag touches the ground, it must be burned.

The flag code just says to try not to let it touch the ground, clean it carefully if soiled, and burn it when it's no longer serviceable.
 
2012-07-04 01:26:35 PM  

Uisce Beatha: kkinnison: 13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?

Just one of the many reasons that proposed amendment was retarded.


www.brucespeaks.com

The Fort McHenry flag, we're supposed to Kill It With Fire?

/just to be sure?
 
2012-07-04 01:31:34 PM  

kkinnison: 13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?


Don't be an idiot.

Having an amendment regarding flag burning (which I disagree with, as it impedes the First Amendment) actually could be construed (and probably is interpreted that way by many) to reinforce US Code in that it refers to treating the flag with respect and deference. Burning the flag as a statement - political or otherwise - isn't respectful or deferential in many people's eyes.

HOWEVER... the United States Constitution trumps US Code. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, which I believe very strongly that flag burning, as repulsive as I personally find the act, falls under.
 
2012-07-04 01:36:38 PM  
So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?
 
2012-07-04 01:37:55 PM  
There is an inverse proportion between how loudly someone claims to love the flag and how much they know about it.

/same with Jesus
 
2012-07-04 01:38:12 PM  

Aigoo: kkinnison: 13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So having an amendment that prevents flag burning, prevents flags from being properly disposed?

Don't be an idiot.

Having an amendment regarding flag burning (which I disagree with, as it impedes the First Amendment) actually could be construed (and probably is interpreted that way by many) to reinforce US Code in that it refers to treating the flag with respect and deference. Burning the flag as a statement - political or otherwise - isn't respectful or deferential in many people's eyes.

HOWEVER... the United States Constitution trumps US Code. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, which I believe very strongly that flag burning, as repulsive as I personally find the act, falls under.


"You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."
 
2012-07-04 01:41:31 PM  
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2012-07-04 01:41:33 PM  

ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?


Apparently depends on your hair color
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quantumconservative.com
 
2012-07-04 01:42:03 PM  

downstairs: Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...


And then there's the fact that Clinton is left-handed (as is Bush Sr, but not Jr.), and the picture doesn't look flipped.
 
2012-07-04 01:44:29 PM  
Wearing clothing with stars and stripes is not the same as wearing a flag.
Never got the whole thing about the sanctity of the flag. Spare me the creed about people dying for our flag. I was in combat and people died because they were drafted, or stupid, or careless, or were brave in the heat of battle, but only a very foolish person would die defending the flag.
 
2012-07-04 01:44:52 PM  

Radak: downstairs: Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...

And then there's the fact that Clinton is left-handed (as is Bush Sr, but not Jr.), and the picture doesn't look flipped.


And also the fact that that's obviously Dubya's head in that picture. I know that old white dudes all kinda look alike, but c'mon.
 
2012-07-04 01:45:27 PM  

AirborneBuckeye: ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?

Apparently depends on your hair color
[www.blogcdn.com image 525x735]
[quantumconservative.com image 288x504]


Technically, the blonde is correct. Union to the left, over the heart. But maybe the republicrats flipped the brunette's photo around to make her look like a demmican. One of you gents should SCOUR the intarwebz to find out! ;)
 
2012-07-04 01:49:01 PM  

Lost_in_Oregon: Wearing clothing with stars and stripes is not the same as wearing a flag.
Never got the whole thing about the sanctity of the flag. Spare me the creed about people dying for our flag. I was in combat and people died because they were drafted, or stupid, or careless, or were brave in the heat of battle, but only a very foolish person would die defending the flag.


images.uesp.net

"There's no glory in war. It's just something they tell soldiers so they'll risk their lives."
 
2012-07-04 01:49:36 PM  

FriarReb98: It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"?


My guess is that Independence Day was adopted as the official name but that referring to it as the 4th of July had always been the popular practice. Even Jefferson's own last words were reported as "Is it the 4th?"

A quick Googling suggests that the phrase "Independence Day" is not known to have been used until 1791, and pamphlets from the period seem to bear out that nobody was calling it that at the time. Lots of mentions that the date was "the anniversary of American independence" or "a commemoration of American independence", but the date seems to be understood as the name of the holiday. Not a single use of "Independence Day" that I saw.
 
2012-07-04 01:50:33 PM  
Nothing shows the dumass like having American Flags on those side window flagstaffs while you travel down the freeway doing 75 MPH ripping them to shreds.

/so very American
//flags should never be displayed in winds over 35 mph
//so slow down, or lower your flags ceremoniously
 
2012-07-04 01:54:06 PM  

mat catastrophe: [www.pajamadeen.com image 310x450]



There was more outrage over Janet's ugly nipple then Kid Cock's mishandling the flag at that Superbowl.
 
2012-07-04 02:00:17 PM  
A friend of mine lives in Geneva, FL, a fairly agrarian community, and she posted pictures of the first flag-destruction ceremony she'd seen, carried out by the Boy Scouts:

i20.photobucket.com

I wonder if it's a violation of the Code to burn a flag while it's on the ground.
 
2012-07-04 02:00:17 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Radak: downstairs: Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...

And then there's the fact that Clinton is left-handed (as is Bush Sr, but not Jr.), and the picture doesn't look flipped.

And also the fact that that's obviously Dubya's head in that picture. I know that old white dudes politicians all kinda look alike, but c'mon.


Point was it was a President. Who gives a flying fark which one? I've said before and will say again, I'm not in the R/D dog and pony show - I firmly believe BOTH are farked beyond belief. Personally, I think Clinton was one of the better presidents we've had in the past 30 years (except for the perjury thing, but does anyone REALLY care who he did or didn't get fellated by? That was a witch hunt, plain and simple.) and Bush was one of the ones I agreed with the least (as is Obama).

But do go back and read the post where I allow that it's either Bush OR Clinton - hard to tell from the back of the head. Oh, wait, I'm sorry... the mere mention of a politicians name from your party or not sends you into a tizzy, where you stop hearing anything and need to either defend or attack. Learn. To. Read. People.

I love how you folks are so intent on ascribing political motive to shiat where - surprise! - there is none.

You are ALL - both sides - what is wrong with America.
 
2012-07-04 02:01:31 PM  

freewill: FriarReb98: It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"?

My guess is that Independence Day was adopted as the official name but that referring to it as the 4th of July had always been the popular practice. Even Jefferson's own last words were reported as "Is it the 4th?"

A quick Googling suggests that the phrase "Independence Day" is not known to have been used until 1791, and pamphlets from the period seem to bear out that nobody was calling it that at the time. Lots of mentions that the date was "the anniversary of American independence" or "a commemoration of American independence", but the date seems to be understood as the name of the holiday. Not a single use of "Independence Day" that I saw.


The printed word has always been more verbose than the spoken one. "4th of July" rolls off the tongue easier and is more accepted by your peers than "Independance day". you heard it as "4th of July" since you were a toddler and hear "Independence Day" as a phrase used by curmudgeons, so it's not very popular
 
2012-07-04 02:04:50 PM  
If we always said Independence Day they would move it to the first Monday in July.
 
2012-07-04 02:06:08 PM  
drtfa as i learned plenty of rules about it while in the boyscouts, but the thing that always bothered me was that when military uniforms have the flag on the right shoulder, the image is reversed. my understanding of this is that if you were standing in line and look left (seeing the right shoulder patch) the image is the same as if the flag was being displayed to the leftmost of the line/regiment/whatever and flying int the wind. whatever, it still seems stupid to me that when i look directly at the flag patch, the image is reversed...
 
2012-07-04 02:10:34 PM  

Aigoo: Burning the flag as a statement - political or otherwise - isn't respectful or deferential in many people's eyes.


Except the part where it really is a celebration of the First Amendment. How some people fail to recognize this basic logic is astounding.

/no i dont want people burning flags
//i shouldn't be allowed to stop them either
 
2012-07-04 02:10:58 PM  

divgradcurl: drtfa as i learned plenty of rules about it while in the boyscouts, but the thing that always bothered me was that when military uniforms have the flag on the right shoulder, the image is reversed. my understanding of this is that if you were standing in line and look left (seeing the right shoulder patch) the image is the same as if the flag was being displayed to the leftmost of the line/regiment/whatever and flying int the wind. whatever, it still seems stupid to me that when i look directly at the flag patch, the image is reversed...


I believe the actual rule is that the stars should be in the most prestigious position. On a moving vehicle or marching soldier, that's the front.
 
2012-07-04 02:11:52 PM  

ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?


It depends if she's in a East-West or North-South street.

Actually, the flag is NOT to be worn as a piece of clothing, so the point is moot.
 
2012-07-04 02:12:45 PM  
People get way too upset over colored bits of cloth, especially ones that were mass produced in China.

/and Jingo was his name-o
 
2012-07-04 02:12:52 PM  

divgradcurl: drtfa as i learned plenty of rules about it while in the boyscouts, but the thing that always bothered me was that when military uniforms have the flag on the right shoulder, the image is reversed. my understanding of this is that if you were standing in line and look left (seeing the right shoulder patch) the image is the same as if the flag was being displayed to the leftmost of the line/regiment/whatever and flying int the wind. whatever, it still seems stupid to me that when i look directly at the flag patch, the image is reversed...


That's because according to the Code, if the flag is affixed to a moving object, it is to be displayed as if it is trailing in the air. Since a soldier, or scout, or other person wearing a flag emblem is considered to be a "moving object", when the flag is worn on the right shoulder, it's reversed so as to appear to be flying.
 
2012-07-04 02:20:49 PM  
From TFA:
2. You may be aware that the American flag is only supposed to be displayed from sunrise to sunset, but the code-writers left room for some interpretation: "when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during hours of darkness." When is flying a flag not patriotic in effect?


Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.
 
2012-07-04 02:23:06 PM  

Lost_in_Oregon: Wearing clothing with stars and stripes is not the same as wearing a flag.


176 (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.

[...]

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations.


Really?
 
2012-07-04 02:24:57 PM  
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2012-07-04 02:26:52 PM  

cptjeff: Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.


I'm thinking about that episode of King of the Hill where Hank writes a letter to his Congressman about wasteful spending on Army haircuts.

"Representative Jim Powell thinks your problem and flag-burning are among the biggest problems facing America today. That's why Jim Powell has introduced House Resolution number 11461. It would ban flag-burning in all..."

"Aw, he never even read it."
 
2012-07-04 02:26:58 PM  

low_dazzle: my rule of thumb:

if there is a picture of a flag on your clothing, it's ok.

if it looks like your garment was made out of a flag, it's disrespectful.


Do you know what's REALLY FUNNY? None of this code is enforceable as law.
None of it.
It is 100% unconstitutional.
Freedom of speech allows you to break every single code and there is nothing that the government can do to you. NOTHING.

HELLO
Flag burning is both legal as free speech AND required by the code, and yet the tards want an amendment??
ROFL

Those boys and girls who have fought and died for our country? They fought and died for the constitution. On which they swore their oath. All of the constitution. Period.


/and yet jingoistic rtards will RAVE about EVIL FLAG BURNING WHARGLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
2012-07-04 02:27:05 PM  

while looking for the above, I cam across this:

§ 3. Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag
Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words 'flag, standard, colors, or ensign', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.


Which means, the Hero tag is illegal in Washington, D.C.
 
2012-07-04 02:42:36 PM  

cptjeff: From TFA:
2. You may be aware that the American flag is only supposed to be displayed from sunrise to sunset, but the code-writers left room for some interpretation: "when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during hours of darkness." When is flying a flag not patriotic in effect?


Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.


That's pretty cool. I feel like these days, it would have taken months of debate about which side was more patriotic about the flag before anything was actually done.
 
2012-07-04 02:45:11 PM  
Old hat for those of us who remember studying for NCO Boards. Good stuff though, and bears repeating.

I do wish they had also reminded people that the Union always belongs in the top left corner.

/What's in every truck on a military installation?
 
2012-07-04 02:45:13 PM  

freewill: cptjeff: Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.

I'm thinking about that episode of King of the Hill where Hank writes a letter to his Congressman about wasteful spending on Army haircuts.

"Representative Jim Powell thinks your problem and flag-burning are among the biggest problems facing America today. That's why Jim Powell has introduced House Resolution number 11461. It would ban flag-burning in all..."

"Aw, he never even read it."


Congressional offices do hire people to write those letters. If the blowoff isn't actually related to the subject you wrote about, somebody's not doing their job. If there's not a letter on the subject already, one will be written.

See, wasteful spending on military haircuts should look something like this:

Thank you for writing me to call attention to your concerns over wasteful spending on military haircuts, I will look into this important issue.

Right now, all branches of the US Armed Services have soldiers assigned to various support duties, including some assigned as barbers. This is done to ensure that our servicemen and women are fully supported on base and on assignment in every aspect of their lives. While such services may seem trivial, they are important to the continued functioning and morale of our troops.

While I understand the Military's need for such services, I support efficiency in government spending, and will keep your letter in mind should I have an opportunity to vote on this issue.

Again, I want to thank you for contacting my office, and hope you will let me know about any future concerns.

-Joe X. Congressman



But good ideas really can get through. Just don't try and pass along your idea on whatever the big issue of the day is- you will be roundly ignored. Send in small, specific proposals on subjects that they're not getting thousands of letters on.
 
2012-07-04 02:49:23 PM  

serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag. Do something a little more disrespectful than that if you want people to take you seriously.

Also, how come we wait until the 4th of July to add a new star for a new state? Flag Day is it's own holiday, seems like the more appropriate way to handle flag-related business.

If its considered a living thing, then you burn it when its dead, not when its still alive. The first is respectful, the second is disrespectful.

I think tattered flags which have been forgotten and are still hanging around flapping are a lot more disrespectful. Flag burning is like tearing apart a bible, it's offensive but it's free speech. There is no free speech to a forgotten, dirty flag. It's just forgotten and dirty.

Exception made for situations like the lost Flag of September 11, 2001. That one earned its tattered, dirty state. I still can't believe they let rich folks borrow that flag for private parties, that was just begging to have it stolen for some megarich scumbag's private collection -- because that's what rich folks do. They want it, they get it, they steal it, and tell themselves it's better they have it than the unwashed masses.

Wonder when it will pop up, and if America will have the juice, at that point, to demand it back?
 
2012-07-04 02:49:33 PM  

buckler: divgradcurl: drtfa as i learned plenty of rules about it while in the boyscouts, but the thing that always bothered me was that when military uniforms have the flag on the right shoulder, the image is reversed. my understanding of this is that if you were standing in line and look left (seeing the right shoulder patch) the image is the same as if the flag was being displayed to the leftmost of the line/regiment/whatever and flying int the wind. whatever, it still seems stupid to me that when i look directly at the flag patch, the image is reversed...

That's because according to the Code, if the flag is affixed to a moving object, it is to be displayed as if it is trailing in the air. Since a soldier, or scout, or other person wearing a flag emblem is considered to be a "moving object", when the flag is worn on the right shoulder, it's reversed so as to appear to be flying.


That is interesting stuff, thank you. I was quite confused about the backwards flag when we saw the Space Shuttle a few weeks ago.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-04 02:49:53 PM  
Damn I was hoping this one would have a line about state flags too, for the huge amount of dumbass texans who claim that theirs is the only one who can fly at the same height as the US flag.
 
2012-07-04 02:57:30 PM  

buckler: A friend of mine lives in Geneva, FL, a fairly agrarian community, and she posted pictures of the first flag-destruction ceremony she'd seen, carried out by the Boy Scouts:

[i20.photobucket.com image 537x720]

I wonder if it's a violation of the Code to burn a flag while it's on the ground.


Well, TSA gets all pissy when you try to burn it in the air.
 
2012-07-04 03:00:09 PM  

John Nash: That is interesting stuff, thank you. I was quite confused about the backwards flag when we saw the Space Shuttle a few weeks ago.
i46.tinypic.com


And on the Shuttle, the flag is in the correct orientation whether it's horizontal for re-entry flight, or vertical for lift-off.
 
2012-07-04 03:02:03 PM  
Signed it? He stepped on it!
4.bp.blogspot.com
graphics8.nytimes.com
McCain also voted to ban flag desecration, being a maverick and all.
www.gadailynews.com
To be fair, Sarah Palin may not have been educated on this matter..
img267.imageshack.us
What, if enough Republicans do it then it's not wrong?
 
2012-07-04 03:04:14 PM  

bel4sucks: Damn I was hoping this one would have a line about state flags too, for the huge amount of dumbass texans who claim that theirs is the only one who can fly at the same height as the US flag.


Or how about the difference between the Confederate flag and actual flags of the Confederacy.
 
2012-07-04 03:09:31 PM  

downstairs: We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


I always wish people Merry Christmas on Oct 31, but then I've never gotten the hang of the decimal system.
 
2012-07-04 03:09:45 PM  

John Nash: That is interesting stuff, thank you. I was quite confused about the backwards flag when we saw the Space Shuttle a few weeks ago.


Happy to be of service. Hope you enjoy the holiday!
 
2012-07-04 03:11:51 PM  

ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?


I think I need to see pictures of your breasts in order to correctly answer your question.
 
2012-07-04 03:12:05 PM  

serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag.


Seems to my memory that the proper disposal method involves separating the field from the stripes. The stripes can then be used as a rag or trashed or burnt. The field is to be buried. Usually several fields are buried together.
 
2012-07-04 03:16:39 PM  

freewill: cptjeff: Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.

I'm thinking about that episode of King of the Hill where Hank writes a letter to his Congressman about wasteful spending on Army haircuts.

"Representative Jim Powell thinks your problem and flag-burning are among the biggest problems facing America today. That's why Jim Powell has introduced House Resolution number 11461. It would ban flag-burning in all..."

"Aw, he never even read it."


25.media.tumblr.com

No, the HILARIOUS flag episode from King of the Hill was when Bill saw the GIANT flag at the base getting decommissioned from the base he'd loyally worked at as a barber, and insisted on taking it home, with comedically unrealistic views on the scale of the monstrous thing.
 
2012-07-04 03:19:43 PM  
ftfa
You know a thing or two about the flag code: no burning, ...

13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."


I know the flag burning thing has already been beaten to death, so I'll just take this moment to call the author a 'tard for this discrepancy.

'tard.
 
2012-07-04 03:21:38 PM  

Oznog: freewill: cptjeff: Actually, the code writers didn't leave room for that. It was added later. Why? The Iwo Jima. My grandfather drove by it every day, and in the evening, coming back to Arlington from work, found it remarkably stupid that the statue was dramatically lit, with spotlights all focused on the end of the flagpole, where there was... nothing.

So he wrote his Congressman, who got that provision added to the flag code. Somewhere, one of my aunts or uncles has the letter back. And now the American flag flies 24/7 at the Iwo Jima.

\Our system works, biatches!
\\Well, it did in the 60's for trivial matters.

I'm thinking about that episode of King of the Hill where Hank writes a letter to his Congressman about wasteful spending on Army haircuts.

"Representative Jim Powell thinks your problem and flag-burning are among the biggest problems facing America today. That's why Jim Powell has introduced House Resolution number 11461. It would ban flag-burning in all..."

"Aw, he never even read it."

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x366]

No, the HILARIOUS flag episode from King of the Hill was when Bill saw the GIANT flag at the base getting decommissioned from the base he'd loyally worked at as a barber, and insisted on taking it home, with comedically unrealistic views on the scale of the monstrous thing.


I've seen flags on that scale IRL, but never in a neighborhood, of course. The best bit was the infinite and cringe-worthy variety of ways in which Peggy and Bobby demolished it.
 
2012-07-04 03:28:09 PM  

LOTN: ftfa
You know a thing or two about the flag code: no burning, ...

13. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."


I know the flag burning thing has already been beaten to death, so I'll just take this moment to call the author a 'tard for this discrepancy.

'tard.


I don't think that's the author being 'tard. The first part is a list of things people commonly "know" about the flag code. Following that is the list of things actually in the flag code. It's the same as saying everybody knows the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution. Then going on to actually list what's in there.
 
2012-07-04 03:32:13 PM  

Pruritic Perineum: serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag.

Seems to my memory that the proper disposal method involves separating the field from the stripes. The stripes can then be used as a rag or trashed or burnt. The field is to be buried. Usually several fields are buried together.


I never heard that. Interesting. It makes sense in a time when cloths and rags weren't discarded unnecessarily. Funny that the field, which is the hardest part to make by hand, would be given the greatest respect.
 
2012-07-04 03:33:06 PM  
downstairs

cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.


I'm not saying it's aliens, but ...

i111.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 03:36:02 PM  

FriarReb98: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

It's shorter to write and print "4th of July" than it is "Independence Day"? That'd be my guess....


It's the war on Independence Day.
 
2012-07-04 03:53:31 PM  

markie_farkie: 'MERIKUH, FARK YEAH!


Can you imagine getting a roundhouse from one of those?
 
2012-07-04 03:59:03 PM  
A living thing eh? So wouldn't folding it up and stuffing it in a box be considered animal abuse? Or for that matter tying it to a rope and dragging it up a pole. I wonder if we can get PETA on the case.
 
2012-07-04 04:02:11 PM  
 
2012-07-04 04:23:13 PM  
Is it OK to write on the flag to commemorate a special event?
 
2012-07-04 04:28:19 PM  

wrenchboy: mat catastrophe: [www.pajamadeen.com image 310x450]


There was more outrage over Janet's ugly nipple then Kid Cock's mishandling the flag at that Superbowl.


In hindsight, it would have been awesome to file an FCC complaint over that.
 
2012-07-04 04:31:28 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


looks like you forgot to remember the 8th of November.
 
2012-07-04 04:34:13 PM  

scubamage: I see nothing preventing me from using the flag as toilet paper! So that's how the republicans get away with it!


Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.

I suggest you chat up these Marines these Marines about your disrespect.

media.knoxnews.com

Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.
 
2012-07-04 04:42:14 PM  
totalobscurity.typepad.com
Patriot or Subversive Cat?
 
2012-07-04 04:44:23 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.


OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:

weaselzippers.us
 
2012-07-04 04:55:13 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


The Fourth of July predates Independence Day. And I don't mean that in the sense that the calendar existed before Independence Day but rather the term Independence Day wasn't used until years after independence. The Federal govenment didn't even consider it a holiday until after the Civil War. Of couse if one wants to be snarky, they could say it's because Fourth of July is easier to spell than Independence Day. Which is too bad because it could make for some funny Tea Party signs.

What's interesting though is that unlike most countries, the national holiday of the United States is the day that the intention to be independent was declared publicly rather than when it was achived. It wasn't until the signing of the Treaty of Paris on September 3, 1783 that Great Britian recognized the United States as an independent nation.
 
2012-07-04 04:59:27 PM  

downstairs: Aigoo: ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.

That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.

Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...


Clinton is also left handed...
 
2012-07-04 05:16:36 PM  

Tophersky: downstairs: Aigoo: ElLoco: downstairs: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x299]

Not sure what bugs me more... the bitty little flags that people wave for a day and discard in the trash later on, or that some dipshiat is writing on one.

That dipshiat appears to be former President Clinton. Or possibly former President Bush. Judging by the hands (look at the long fingers), I think Clinton though - early in his campaign/presidency, beofre his hair went completely white. Hard to tell by the back of the head, tbh. Both should know better.

Google image search for "Bush signing flag" comes up with that image many times. "Clinton signing flag"... the image never shows up. Take that for what its worth...

Clinton is also left handed...


The photo URL itself says Bush. With Google Image Search it can be specified that it is President Bush on a July 24, 2003 visit to Beaver Aerospace & Defense Inc.
 
2012-07-04 05:16:49 PM  
scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.
 
2012-07-04 05:49:16 PM  
NeoCortex42

I don't think that's the author being 'tard. The first part is a list of things people commonly "know" about the flag code. Following that is the list of things actually in the flag code. It's the same as saying everybody knows the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution. Then going on to actually list what's in there.

In the United States, the term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. The original text reads: "... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
 
2012-07-04 05:52:14 PM  

downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...


Conversely, I always wondered why every single holiday in spanish speaking countries is referred to by the day, rather than by what it means. It would be much easier to remember "Independencia" than "9 de Julio"
 
2012-07-04 05:53:47 PM  

tony41454: The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution.


However, as you note, it is the direct, contemporary interpretation of the first amendment by a founding father.
 
2012-07-04 05:59:46 PM  
nobody? really?
0.tqn.com
 
2012-07-04 06:00:42 PM  

Oznog: [scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com image 450x298]

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.

i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 06:08:31 PM  
Is there a grown-up version of TFA available? Miss Snarky McSnarkerator is making me feel stabby.
 
2012-07-04 06:17:07 PM  

bel4sucks: Damn I was hoping this one would have a line about state flags too, for the huge amount of dumbass texans who claim that theirs is the only one who can fly at the same height as the US flag.


Prior to June 14th, 1923, there were no official guidelines governing the display of the US flag. Texas joined the union in 1845. At the time, it was customary for the US flag to be flown higher than state flags. Because it was widely understood that Texans were better than everyone else, Texas asked for and received the honor of flying their flag at the same height as the US flag. However, that concession was rendered moot when all states were given that privilege when the flag code was adopted in 1923.

So, you were sort of right. Fortunately, there was a Texan around to set you straight.
 
2012-07-04 06:26:40 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.

I suggest you chat up these Marines these Marines about your disrespect.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Are you saying that a respectable marine would disrespect then constitution and the corps?
UNPOSSIBLE!!

Plus a big old marine kicking the shiat out of some simpering little internet tough guy?
We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impressed.
 
2012-07-04 06:29:02 PM  

buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:

[weaselzippers.us image 550x366]


Dont bother. He is one of those jingoistic people who think symbols are more important than the actual constitution and the actual freedoms.
 
2012-07-04 06:30:50 PM  
Do you know why people in other countries burn the US flag in protest of something the US does? Because it is the biggest insult that they can think of. Because in their country they are not free to burn their own flag. Jail or death.

we live a FREE country. we can burn our flag. and it is legal. period.
You might not like it, but it IS the price we pay to live in a free society.

/I will pick free society over a symbol every day.
 
2012-07-04 06:46:41 PM  

namatad: Do you know why people in other countries burn the US flag in protest of something the US does? Because it is the biggest insult that they can think of. Because in their country they are not free to burn their own flag. Jail or death.

we live a FREE country. we can burn our flag. and it is legal. period.
You might not like it, but it IS the price we pay to live in a free society.

/I will pick free society over a symbol every day.


If there were a "Like" button, I'd click it.
 
2012-07-04 06:46:59 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Reading the U.S. flag code comes off as an adult version of the game where you pretend the floor is made out of lava and start inventing rules about how you are allowed to cross it.


It's not enforceable or anything, basically it exists because the government was tired about people arguing over whether x or y random thing was the proper way to handle the flag, so they made a bunch of official, definite answers so that no one could harass them because they felt the union should be hung vertically instead of horizontally or whatever.

Basically the code is a convenience to prevent certain people from being disruptive and off-topic in meetings and so on. This was a lot more important earlier in our nation's history when it was traditional for loyalists to regard their nation's flag as a sacred symbol of their monarchy or whatever-- while we as a nation never really held with that shiat, we did have an interest in appeasing the few citizens that did.

The only part of it that's particularly relevant to anyone who doesn't know one of these obsessive people is probably the civilian salute (remove hat, place right hand, open, over chest), as that's generally considered basic courtesy from citizens (not saluting isn't a crime, just rude). Other than that flag code is only as important to your social group as it is to the most nitpicky member of that group.
 
2012-07-04 07:31:30 PM  
flucking flaggots!!!
 
2012-07-04 07:35:35 PM  

Gimmick: Prior to June 14th, 1923, there were no official guidelines governing the display of the US flag. Texas joined the union in 1845. At the time, it was customary for the US flag to be flown higher than state flags. Because it was widely understood that Texans were better than everyone else, Texas asked for and received the honor of flying their flag at the same height as the US flag. However, that concession was rendered moot when all states were given that privilege when the flag code was adopted in 1923.

So, you were sort of right. Fortunately, there was a Texan around to set you straight.


lololol proving for the 897,456,718th time on this website alone that putting the word dumbass in front of the word texan is just redundant.

Link
 
2012-07-04 07:54:53 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The only part of it that's particularly relevant to anyone who doesn't know one of these obsessive people is probably the civilian salute (remove hat, place right hand, open, over chest), as that's generally considered basic courtesy from citizens (not saluting isn't a crime, just rude). Other than that flag code is only as important to your social group as it is to the most nitpicky member of that group.


And, as a moderate liberal, I find that disappointing. The flag should be accorded respect - even if you're burning it, the whole point of burning it is to make a statement about the country at that time.

We are a society that is slowly discarding shared rituals, replacing them with the smaller, insular, self-identifying rituals of smaller groups and divisions, pushing us that much farther away from some form of common ground. It seems stupid, but I find the rituals associated with the flag almost comforting - at one time, quite a few of us actually cared about these rituals, and these rituals were shared across the country. Now, the National Flag Code is just fodder for Trivial Pursuit cards and Internet arguments. It saddens me, just a little.
 
2012-07-04 07:57:06 PM  

Oznog: [scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com image 450x298]

This one is fun. Yeah, he's not saluting the flag during the anthem. But NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE, apparently. Because the flag's at their backs, but due to the layout, that would require turning your back on "the people" and that would photograph bad.

Flag code says you're supposed to face the flag to salute, otherwise, you're saluting something else- the crowd? Unless there's a second off-camera flag, which seems unlikely- and they're facing different directions anyways.


At least they dropped the arm outstretched salute of the 40s. The rules are varied and complex designed to placate people, sell flags, and promote support of National Socialism, and it was all just thrown together and labelled as patriotic. How else can we prove how evil the other side we are quailing with this month is?
 
2012-07-04 08:01:02 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Remember, Pee-Wee, the First Amendment protects you from the Government. Not from me.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-04 08:02:56 PM  

buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:



I disagree.

The former photo shows a supreme sacrifice having been made. The latter photo, there's no real sacrifice, just protest.

This is not to say we should be unable to burn the flag as a form of protest, I'm saying that when the flag drapes the casket of a KIA serviceman/woman, there's a whole other level of meaning and loss at work.
 
2012-07-04 08:24:33 PM  

akula: buckler: Clemkadidlefark: Just because so many people are ignorant of what the Flag of our Republic symbolizes and stands for and especially how the acts of respect for our Flag signal in your respect for that Republic does not mean we should overlook the importance of honoring our Flag by abiding by it's Traditions and the symbol-meanings inherent in those Traditions.

OTOH, the flag as a symbol carries with it the right to destroy it in contempt and disrespect for the institutions it embodies and their acts, in deference to the greater freedom of expression. I have equal respect for the image you posted, and this one:



I disagree.

The former photo shows a supreme sacrifice having been made. The latter photo, there's no real sacrifice, just protest.

This is not to say we should be unable to burn the flag as a form of protest, I'm saying that when the flag drapes the casket of a KIA serviceman/woman, there's a whole other level of meaning and loss at work.


I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent; to me, both show the importance of the flag, and the respect for it, but in different ways. One shows it as a beloved symbol of sacrifice. The other shows it as a symbol of a beloved thing being destroyed from within, and the contempt for that destruction. They're both valuable to me.
 
2012-07-04 08:30:48 PM  

akula: I disagree.


On this day and in this place, I'm glad we can disagree without bloodshed. Happy fourth.
 
2012-07-04 08:34:51 PM  

buckler: akula: I disagree.

On this day and in this place, I'm glad we can disagree without bloodshed. Happy fourth.


Amen
 
2012-07-04 09:34:05 PM  
Why burn a flag. It would be better to burn some politicians
 
2012-07-04 10:02:50 PM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-04 11:18:58 PM  

Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]


Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.
 
2012-07-04 11:30:05 PM  

Aigoo: Oh, wait, I'm sorry... the mere mention of a politicians name from your party or not sends you into a tizzy, where you stop hearing anything and need to either defend or attack. Learn. To. Read. People.

I love how you folks are so intent on ascribing political motive to shiat where - surprise! - there is none.

You are ALL - both sides - what is wrong with America.


Well said.

Needs to be repeated in EVERY. FARKING. POLITICAL. THREAD. EVER.

(and every Global Warming thread)
 
2012-07-04 11:53:27 PM  
How about embroidered; not printed as a rule?

Why not also require them to be American made?

/Liberal but patriotic
 
2012-07-05 12:29:13 AM  
jamesostafford.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-05 12:53:46 AM  
No one has mentioned of the "...one nation under G-d..." bit in the Pledge of Allegiance?
 
2012-07-05 01:35:14 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.


You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.
 
2012-07-05 01:54:25 AM  

buckler: Pruritic Perineum: serial_crusher: I never got why commies, hippies, terrorists, and libtards of all sorts are so excited about flag burning, if it's also the appropriate way to dispose of a flag.

Seems to my memory that the proper disposal method involves separating the field from the stripes. The stripes can then be used as a rag or trashed or burnt. The field is to be buried. Usually several fields are buried together.

I never heard that. Interesting. It makes sense in a time when cloths and rags weren't discarded unnecessarily. Funny that the field, which is the hardest part to make by hand, would be given the greatest respect.


It's also wrong. That's a common element in a ceremony, but it's not required. The only requirement is that the burning be respectful.

\Did a couple in the Scouts
\\BTW, if you have an old flag that needs proper disposal, give it to a local Boy Scout troop.
 
2012-07-05 02:11:29 AM  
*eight million kittens in N-space carefully tie tiny American-made American flags to their tails and respectfully pose with beflagged tails held vertical*
 
2012-07-05 03:35:24 AM  

Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]


Go Cap, go!
 
2012-07-05 04:39:12 AM  
You Americans do have a passion for your flag, don't you?

In the UK, the only flag rule I know is not to fly the Union Jack upside down.as that is a distress signal.

Although given the eyesight you need to notice the slight asymmetry of the flag, I'd imagine you'd have scenes as:

"I say," (he's British) "I do believe yonder chappie is flying the flag upside down. Perhaps the blighter's in distress."

"Which chappie?"

"The one who's boat's on fire."
 
2012-07-05 04:54:40 AM  
Suck it, lesser states:
www.stockpodium.com
 
2012-07-05 05:24:55 AM  

jomauk59: You Americans do have a passion for your flag, don't you?

In the UK, the only flag rule I know is not to fly the Union Jack upside down.as that is a distress signal.

Although given the eyesight you need to notice the slight asymmetry of the flag, I'd imagine you'd have scenes as:

"I say," (he's British) "I do believe yonder chappie is flying the flag upside down. Perhaps the blighter's in distress."

"Which chappie?"

"The one who's boat's on fire."


Ha. You just reminded me of an episode of "Junkyard Wars" (or "Scrapheap Challenge" if you wish), in which an English team was trying to build a boat. One guy had pieced together a number of sections of cloth or rubber with rubber cement, then used a grinder nearby. The boat pieces immediately went up in a conflagration, and the guy called to a teammate "excuse me! May I have some water, please?" The teammate said "yes, of course. How much would you like?" "Oh a bucketful or so please," When the guy got there with the water, he asked "right, where would you like it, then?", and the builder said "oh, just there, please. Right where the fire is." "Right," said the guy. It was mind-boggling. In America, the exchange would have been "Damn! Water!", and the guy would have just poured it on.
 
2012-07-05 06:07:24 AM  

AirborneBuckeye: ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?

Apparently depends on your hair color
[www.blogcdn.com image 525x735]
[quantumconservative.com image 288x504]


Technically that's more like bunting than a flag...
 
2012-07-05 08:26:10 AM  

downstairs: jaylectricity: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

The actual date is the important thing to remember about Independence Day. In your other examples, Christmas is just an arbitrary day that was chosen to celebrate Jesus's birth. We usually wish people a Happy New Year because we are extending our wishes for the entire year. And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.

Good point.

And, yes, me and the Mrs. don't celebrate the fake 2/14 holiday.


I find it amusing that so many people buy into the urban legend that Valentine's Day was made up by some company to sell something.

/You're confusing it with Sweetest Day, which is really was made up by a chocolate company.
 
2012-07-05 08:31:29 AM  

ka1axy: So, I'm still confused...

When used as a bikini, should the union cover the left breast, or the right one?


I think that should be obvious: both breasts should be exposed.
 
2012-07-05 09:33:52 AM  

Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.

You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.


You really don't know the law at all, do you?
 
2012-07-05 09:39:34 AM  

JonZoidberg: Suck it, lesser states:
[www.stockpodium.com image 400x268]


When I spent a week in Texas some years back, I got to witness every stupid stereotype there is, and then some. It was very tiresome. After I'd heard that old saw, "Texas usta be a cawntray, ya know!" enough times, I kind of snapped: "Yeah, well so was Connecticut. It was long time ago. We got over it, and you should, too."
 
2012-07-05 01:07:40 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.

You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.

You really don't know the law at all, do you?


Know the law?

I am the law!

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.

You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.

You really don't know the law at all, do you?

 
2012-07-05 02:14:45 PM  

Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.

You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.

You really don't know the law at all, do you?

Know the law?

I am the law!

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Solid Muldoon: [i165.photobucket.com image 595x412]

Captain America: Depriving citizens of their civil liberties since 1941.

You have the right to be an asshole.

You have the right to have a broke jaw.

You really don't know the law at all, do you?


Also not too bright, I see. But that's no surprise, really.
 
2012-07-05 02:26:03 PM  

meanmutton: I find it amusing that so many people buy into the urban legend that Valentine's Day was made up by some company to sell something.


Valentine's day was invented by Romanticorp in order to sell off their earwig honey.
 
2012-07-05 02:51:38 PM  

Rufus Lee King: [i1041.photobucket.com image 640x426]


A combination Confederate and white flag? What is that; an enduring symbol of the South's surrender?
 
2012-07-05 03:27:18 PM  

meanmutton: downstairs: jaylectricity: downstairs: cmunic8r99: Article fails for wishing everyone a "Happy 4th of July" instead of "Happy Independence Day".

Always wondered why Independence Day is the only (American) holiday that more often goes by its day of the month.

We never wish anyone a happy December 25th or January 1st or February 14th...

The actual date is the important thing to remember about Independence Day. In your other examples, Christmas is just an arbitrary day that was chosen to celebrate Jesus's birth. We usually wish people a Happy New Year because we are extending our wishes for the entire year. And February 14th isn't even a real holiday.

Good point.

And, yes, me and the Mrs. don't celebrate the fake 2/14 holiday.

I find it amusing that so many people buy into the urban legend that Valentine's Day was made up by some company to sell something.

/You're confusing it with Sweetest Day, which is really was made up by a chocolate company.


Actually knew that. I suppose "fake" was a poor choice of a term. I really meant "meaninless". At least to myself, anyone I've dated, and my wife now.
 
2012-07-06 12:56:46 AM  
1. Sorry, south-paws. During the playing of the National Anthem, you must remove your hat using your right hand.

this should be a no brainer yet I see people do it all the time.. like how people would remove their hat before going indoors or in an elevator. or when a woman is present, etc..
 
2012-07-06 10:27:24 AM  

Rufus Lee King: ProfessorOhki: Rufus Lee King: [i1041.photobucket.com image 640x426]

A combination Confederate and white flag? What is that; an enduring symbol of the South's surrender?

That's the Confederate national flag as opposed to the battle flag, Einstein. Or were you trolling me?

I thought trolling

 
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