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(MSNBC)   US Navy finds 3 old, unused battleships. Do they: A) recycle the metal for scrap. B) sell the parts to needy allies. C) bomb the hell out of them   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 52
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2012-07-04 09:21:38 AM
Welp Philly has the USS Forrestal and USS JFK sitting there. Forrestal will probably be sunk as a target, but as of now it's slowly being scrapped in port. JFK was set to be donated to Maine but they voted against it.. They seriously need to go though they are eyesores and just rotting away.
 
2012-07-04 09:21:40 AM
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2012-07-04 09:29:48 AM
Artificial reefs.
 
2012-07-04 09:32:22 AM
By "battleships," the author really meany "freighters." Two are "combat stores ships," the other is an ammunition carrier.
 
2012-07-04 09:49:46 AM
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2012-07-04 10:02:31 AM
C) bomb the hell out of them

Son, its what the US Navy does.
 
2012-07-04 10:05:10 AM

cirby: By "battleships," the author really meany "freighters." Two are "combat stores ships," the other is an ammunition carrier.


Yeah, the number of ships in the naval fleet is absolutely astounding. And, most of them are freighters and supply ships., i.e. non-combat type vessels.
 
2012-07-04 10:05:49 AM
Just strip them from the inside, removing the worst pollutants. After that? Fire away. A sunken ship is a great way to provide sea life with brand new habitat. Just keep an eye on them and look at how much coral and fish will be living in and around the ship in a year or two.
 
2012-07-04 10:06:06 AM
This is bad news for Niagara Falls.
 
2012-07-04 10:10:05 AM
Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.
 
2012-07-04 10:15:35 AM
Remember when George W Bush landed on that battleship in a fighter jet?

That was awesome.
 
2012-07-04 10:17:56 AM
Where did subby come up with that headline? The Navy didn't "find" them, they were never lost.
 
2012-07-04 10:47:42 AM

Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.


Because it actually costs more to break them down than they would make from the scrap metal.
 
2012-07-04 10:52:43 AM

Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.


How thick of armor do these freighters have exactly?
 
2012-07-04 10:52:54 AM
What allies need the parts these "battleships" contain?
 
2012-07-04 10:55:43 AM

styckx: Welp Philly has the USS Forrestal and USS JFK sitting there. Forrestal will probably be sunk as a target, but as of now it's slowly being scrapped in port. JFK was set to be donated to Maine but they voted against it.. They seriously need to go though they are eyesores and just rotting away.


That's too bad. They make great tourist attractions. I knew someone who had been stationed on the Forrestal and said there were times you could still smell the big fire and fire suppressant. I wondered if that was all in his mind after hearing stories.
The JFK is newer than Enterprise, yet it's scrapped and Enterprise is still going strong. Guess they shouldn't have vetoed the nuke.
 
2012-07-04 10:57:29 AM

jaytkay: Remember when George W Bush landed on that battleship in a fighter jet?

That was awesome.


The battleships in The Hunt For Red October were super cool.
 
2012-07-04 11:10:47 AM
Considering the US experience at the start of WWII, when they discovered their torpedoes didn't actually detonate properly, I guess the wiser tradition is to test them on real ships.

www.armscontrolwonk.com

And better than fireworks...

/photo is Australian, American torpedoes explode with awesomer colors
 
2012-07-04 11:36:43 AM
Isn't the sea level rising enough because of Al Gore? Why do we need to throw more stuff into the ocean?
 
2012-07-04 11:51:05 AM
So, what do you suppose the ratio is of domestic vs. foreign ships the navy's sunk since WWII? I mean, I'm glad the navy's so good at sinking its own boats, but, er...the navy is sinking its own boats.
 
2012-07-04 11:53:47 AM
My dad served on and flew helicopters off the U.S.S Kilauea. Wonder if he cares that they are going to blow up one of the ships he served on..
 
2012-07-04 12:04:07 PM

Captain Kierk: So, what do you suppose the ratio is of domestic vs. foreign ships the navy's sunk since WWII? I mean, I'm glad the navy's so good at sinking its own boats, but, er...the navy is sinking its own boats.


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It's not our fault that the bad guys don't have boats worth sinking.
 
2012-07-04 01:08:06 PM
Can we take Forrestal and JFK place them in the Great Lakes and rent them to for parties and mock battles? Get some Red bull sponsorship going....

Today, IBM takes on ADM in Battle of Lake Erie
 
2012-07-04 01:55:47 PM

RoyBatty: Can we take Forrestal and JFK place them in the Great Lakes and rent them to for parties and mock battles? Get some Red bull sponsorship going....

Today, IBM takes on ADM in Battle of Lake Erie


Absolutely. The Navy would give them to you if you have a plan to use them as a museum or something. Or whiz around and do whatever, really. The only catch is that you would have to keep it.

Figuring a way to get them up into the Great Lakes is probably cheaper than stripping them to bomb, and far cheaper than scrapping.

The Navy doesn't like having these things around- it's expensive to clean them up enough to sink, it's incredibly expensive to break them (unless you go to india or something where safety isn't much of a priority, which the US Navy is barred from doing), so it's often just cheaper to have 'em rotting at a pier somewhere. If somebody wants one as a museum ship and can legitimately handle one, it's yours.
 
2012-07-04 02:06:36 PM

sarcastic664: Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.

Because it actually costs more to break them down than they would make from the scrap metal.


Not if you have enough poor brown people.

pics.livejournal.com
 
2012-07-04 03:25:01 PM

One Bad Apple: Captain Kierk: So, what do you suppose the ratio is of domestic vs. foreign ships the navy's sunk since WWII? I mean, I'm glad the navy's so good at sinking its own boats, but, er...the navy is sinking its own boats.




It's not our fault that the bad guys don't have boats worth sinking.


Damn Boston Whalers are unsinkable anyway
 
2012-07-04 03:31:59 PM

cirby: By "battleships," the author really meany "freighters." Two are "combat stores ships," the other is an ammunition carrier.


THIS
 
2012-07-04 03:48:42 PM
USS Enterprise (WWII Version) being scrapped...

www.hazegray.org

Some ships deserve more diginty than this.
 
2012-07-04 03:48:44 PM
Now if only we had 3 old, unused bombs...

americanwiki.pbworks.com
 
2012-07-04 04:38:11 PM

RoyBatty: Can we take Forrestal and JFK place them in the Great Lakes and rent them to for parties and mock battles? Get some Red bull sponsorship going....

Today, IBM takes on ADM in Battle of Lake Erie


We need more "freshies" like the two great lakes training aircraft carriers from WWII: the USS Sable and the USS Wolverine.
 
2012-07-04 05:10:56 PM
Previous targets have ranged from small vessels to aircraft carriers such as the USS America, which was more than three football fields long.

Why does our Navy hate America?
 
2012-07-04 05:19:04 PM

Mildot: USS Enterprise (WWII Version) being scrapped...

[www.hazegray.org image 640x437]

Some ships deserve more diginty than this.


Even sadder is when the current CVN USS Enterprise is retired after it's current tour. This means NO USS Enterprise on deployment after it's decommissioned.
 
2012-07-04 05:47:07 PM

Gough: We need more "freshies" like the two great lakes training aircraft carriers from WWII: the USS Sable and the USS Wolverine.


Chicagoland's finest carriers ever!

lh5.googleusercontent.com

Link
 
2012-07-04 05:49:38 PM
is it me, or does this actually sound kinda awesome?


/and good for scuba diving...
 
2012-07-04 06:00:51 PM

mekkab: is it me, or does this actually sound kinda awesome?


/and good for scuba diving...

The Navy must also conduct the exercises at least 50 nautical miles from shore and in water at least 6,000 feet deep.


RIF
 
2012-07-04 06:26:38 PM

Frothy Panties: Mildot: USS Enterprise (WWII Version) being scrapped...

[www.hazegray.org image 640x437]

Some ships deserve more diginty than this.

Even sadder is when the current CVN USS Enterprise is retired after it's current tour. This means NO USS Enterprise on deployment after it's decommissioned.


And according to Wikipedia:

Once the Navy dismantles and recycles the ship's reactors, there will be very little left to turn into a museum;[47] virtually everything two decks below the hangar bay would have to be cut apart.[47] What remains of Enterprise following 2015 is currently scheduled to be taken to the State of Washington for scrapping.[13] However, it remains possible the ship's island could be removed and used as a memorial.

Sad...
 
2012-07-04 06:57:04 PM

Dinodork: Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.

How thick of armor do these freighters have exactly?


Exactly. Should also be noted that all modern ships are not armored significantly. Soon after WWII the construction of "armored" ships stopped, thanks to missiles. Missiles contain far more explosive than shells fired from cannons, and they simply could not put enough armor on ships to stop them.
 
2012-07-05 01:18:00 AM
It's not that missiles contain more explosive than shells from naval guns, (comparing a Naval 16" gun at 1200kg explosive, with a cruise missile of 450kg), it's that most missiles have some form of steering so that they are more likely to hit a stationary target or predictably moving target- therefore, most ships since WWII have been built as a compromise favoring speed and maneuverability over outright protection, and support ships such as these have never been as heavily armored as the main fighting vessels.
 
2012-07-05 04:35:16 AM
When I wake up a billionaire, I will take several of these ships and put them together to start my own floating community in international waters.

mimg.ugo.com

From there, I will beam out my unique form of "reality TV" shows via satellite. Why? Because this is the future.
 
2012-07-05 07:19:33 AM

bk3k: When I wake up a billionaire, I will take several of these ships and put them together to start my own floating community in international waters.

[mimg.ugo.com image 528x310]

From there, I will beam out my unique form of "reality TV" shows via satellite. Why? Because this is the future.


upload.wikimedia.org
How original
 
2012-07-05 09:24:03 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: sarcastic664: Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.

Because it actually costs more to break them down than they would make from the scrap metal.

Not if you have enough poor brown people.

[pics.livejournal.com image 600x403]


You do know that "brown people" is a racial slur, right?
 
2012-07-05 11:02:50 AM

Hand Banana: Where did subby come up with that headline? The Navy didn't "find" them, they were never lost.


Actually...

My Uncle was a legendary bean counter in government circles. One of his stranger tasks was tracking down a missing destroyer. They had records for it... but nobody could find it anywhere. 4000 tons of ship. After a bit of searching he finally tracked it down. It had been scrapped, but the powers that be had missed a few steps in the paperwork process.

But yes, occasionally they do lose a ship.
 
2012-07-05 11:37:53 AM
They've got 4 big ones parked in one spot here (google maps link)
 
2012-07-05 01:56:12 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: sarcastic664: Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.

Because it actually costs more to break them down than they would make from the scrap metal.

Not if you have enough poor brown people.

[pics.livejournal.com image 600x403]


Dang ingins taking our jorbs.
 
2012-07-05 01:59:00 PM

Frothy Panties: Mildot: USS Enterprise (WWII Version) being scrapped...

[www.hazegray.org image 640x437]

Some ships deserve more diginty than this.

Even sadder is when the current CVN USS Enterprise is retired after it's current tour. This means NO USS Enterprise on deployment after it's decommissioned.


What are they putting the warp 5 engine in then?
 
2012-07-05 02:32:08 PM
want to see a ship disappear quickly, let the bunch of scrappers were i live loose on it.
 
2012-07-05 02:56:18 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Dinodork: Thisbymaster: Why not just break them down for the metal and sell that? That armor is pretty thick and should be worth a pretty penny.

How thick of armor do these freighters have exactly?

Exactly. Should also be noted that all modern ships are not armored significantly. Soon after WWII the construction of "armored" ships stopped, thanks to missiles. Missiles contain far more explosive than shells fired from cannons, and they simply could not put enough armor on ships to stop them.


Utter and complete bullshait.

A modern antiship missile like a harpoon, exocet, or even supersonic YJ-12 would bounce off the armor belt of a WWII battleship or heavy cruiser like a bug against the windshield.

A 16" shell fired by an Iowa class battleship weighed 2,700 pounds and traveled a half mile a second (that's 1800 miles an hour). The destructive power of these weapons dwarf ASMs and yet battleships from every major navy could withstand multiple hits from large caliber weapons.

Modern warships aren't armored because we don't build battleships or cruisers anymore. WWII destroyers weren't armored. WWII light cruisers had a pretty minimal amount of armor. US carriers were only minimally armored.

Today we're building the modern peer LCS is really an undergunned frigate that will end up getting tasked destroyer duties and Burkes are (despite being called destroyers) light cruisers that will also fill destroyer roles. Burkes, like their WWII CL brothers, do indeed have steel and kevlar armor protecting vital spaces.
 
2012-07-05 04:25:40 PM

cirby: By "battleships," the author really meany "freighters." Two are "combat stores ships," the other is an ammunition carrier.


I'm guessing subby was FLYNAVY
 
2012-07-05 09:35:36 PM
I think FLYNAVY is JIHAD_GUY now.
 
2012-07-06 01:39:06 AM

DerAppie: Just strip them from the inside, removing the worst pollutants. After that? Fire away. A sunken ship is a great way to provide sea life with brand new habitat. Just keep an eye on them and look at how much coral and fish will be living in and around the ship in a year or two.


There isn't going to be a lot of coral in greater than 6,000 feet of water
 
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