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(Gizmodo)   Upgrading to Windows 8 will only be a waste of $40, compared to the $199 waste that was Vista   (gizmodo.com) divider line 95
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2012-07-04 09:20:07 AM
I think MS is worried about Win 8 sales with so many panning the preview releases. I'm still not paying $40 to put a mobile OS on my desktop.
 
2012-07-04 09:49:19 AM
The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users. What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.
 
2012-07-04 10:04:32 AM
If they paid me $40, I would consider loading it onto a VM.
 
2012-07-04 10:16:46 AM
So you can upgrade from XP to 8, but you can't upgrade from XP to 7? Huh.

Unless you're stuck with an OS that really sucks, who upgrades their OS?
 
2012-07-04 10:17:41 AM

BizarreMan: So you can upgrade from XP to 8, but you can't upgrade from XP to 7? Huh.

Unless you're stuck with an OS that really sucks, who upgrades their OS?


I do. I'm a chronic early adopter.
 
2012-07-04 10:19:51 AM

RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users. What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.


I would imagine the upgrade will have hardware requirements that prevent this.
 
2012-07-04 10:22:40 AM

LasersHurt: RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users. What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.

I would imagine the upgrade will have hardware requirements that prevent this.


Would most people that still run XP really look at thr hardware requirements before they paid for it?
 
2012-07-04 10:23:58 AM
Nope.. Still pirating it..

And they better not pull some bullshiat like introducing DirectX 12 and how it only works on Windows 8 bullshiat either.
 
2012-07-04 10:25:26 AM

Aar1012: LasersHurt: RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users. What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.

I would imagine the upgrade will have hardware requirements that prevent this.

Would most people that still run XP really look at thr hardware requirements before they paid for it?


No, but if they can't install, it it won't turn their machine into anything. It'll probably turn their afternoon to returning to Best Buy to yell at the 16 year old salesman, though.
 
2012-07-04 10:29:53 AM

RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users.


My BiL installed Win8 on his newish (about 6 mo.) laptop with 8 gigs of RAM, and played around with it for a week or so before uninstalling it and going back to Win7. His experience was pretty much what you describe. If your device is not designed for it you're wasting your time.

What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.

I'm typing this post on a laptop I bought in November of 2004, so I'm getting kicks, etc. And yep, it came with an Athlon (XP-M 2200+ w/PowerNow!TM Technology) processor and 512mb of RAM. I upgraded to its max capacity of a gig after a few years, but for sure I'm not trying 8 on it!

/hoping this old Averatec will last long enough to buy myself a new Win8 tablet for HanuFestiKwanzaMas... ;^)
 
2012-07-04 10:31:20 AM
Leave it to Microsoft to charge twice as much and deliver half the product as Apple.
 
2012-07-04 10:31:42 AM

RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users. What's worse is that now, Windows XP can be upgraded to Windows 8 - so imagine the shock some rube with a Celeron processor and 512 Mb of RAM would get when he plunks down his 40 bucks and upgrade it to Windows 8 and realize that he's turned his marginally useful machine to something that'd barely run.


That guys probably not going to be upgrading at all until he buys a new machine.
 
2012-07-04 10:35:53 AM

RexTalionis: BizarreMan: So you can upgrade from XP to 8, but you can't upgrade from XP to 7? Huh.

Unless you're stuck with an OS that really sucks, who upgrades their OS?

I do. I'm a chronic early adopter.


I am, as well, but I'd rather do a clean install than try to upgrade.
 
2012-07-04 10:36:36 AM
I like 7 just fine, thanks.
 
2012-07-04 10:37:41 AM

angrymacface: RexTalionis: BizarreMan: So you can upgrade from XP to 8, but you can't upgrade from XP to 7? Huh.

Unless you're stuck with an OS that really sucks, who upgrades their OS?

I do. I'm a chronic early adopter.

I am, as well, but I'd rather do a clean install than try to upgrade.


So will the regular editions still cost an arm and a leg?
 
2012-07-04 10:38:53 AM

BizarreMan: Unless you're stuck with an OS that really sucks, who upgrades their OS?


And for that matter, unless you're stuck with a car that really sucks, who upgrades their car? I've been driving my 1992 Geo Metro and it's just fine, thanks. People keep talking about safety features and convenience and efficiency improvements... but what do they know? It starts every day and gets me to work so what kind of stupid would every buy something newer?

Running outdated operating systems is dumb. It gets a little sketchy with Microsoft Windows, what with that whole "every other release is a pile of rotten crap" thing they have going, but if you're using Windows and you haven't upgraded to Windows 7 yet, you're doing it wrong. If you really need XP for some reason, run it in a VM. It was perfectly good for its time, but its time is gone.

/ will be skipping 8
 
2012-07-04 10:46:18 AM
$40 is nothing. I'd definitely upgrade if I was able to roll back easily.
 
2012-07-04 10:51:39 AM

StoneColdAtheist: RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users.

My BiL installed Win8 on his newish (about 6 mo.) laptop with 8 gigs of RAM, and played around with it for a week or so before uninstalling it and going back to Win7. His experience was pretty much what you describe. If your device is not designed for it you're wasting your time.


I'm running the most recent preview of win 8, 64 bit at home with 4 gig ram, and no issues. Do I use the metro interface? nope.

Do I hop to the desktop and continue on using my dev tools as I've always done? yep.

No problems with steam or gaming.

No problems with running Adobe CS (1) (which won't run on Vista, my previous OS on that computer). Haven't had any issues with it under normal development and gaming conditions.
 
2012-07-04 10:52:52 AM
quick question for a 7 guru... why do some web pages appear differently on a machine running 7 vs. xp? any way to turn a switch in mozilla or anywhere?

re 8...i'll check it out.
 
2012-07-04 10:53:08 AM
I have Vista on my laptop and it's pretty much a giant piece of shiat, especially with Firefox.

I am loathe, however, to give Microsoft another dime of my money.
 
2012-07-04 10:57:41 AM
It'll be free on a sh*t load of torrent sites,,,but I still don't see a need to change. 7 runs relatively stable (for some reason the system occasionally hangs when I play videos..weird there's nothing in the Event Viewer logs to tell me why) so why change? There's zero advantages that I can see.

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Ubuntu and Ice Cream Sandwich FTW.
 
2012-07-04 10:58:17 AM
If they paid me 40$ I still wouldn't put their phone OS on my desktop. and if they do something assholish like make DX12 win8 only, expect DX11 to stick around longer than 9 has.
 
2012-07-04 10:58:35 AM
Never upgrade a windows OS. Wipe the drive and start clean, its just too messy otherwise.

/win7-64 was the bomb in phantoms, yo
 
2012-07-04 11:00:36 AM
I tend to leap Windows versions, so going from XP to 8 is about right. $40 is enticing, and from what I'm seeing of the preview under Parallels on my Mac, it'll run what I want. It's a way to future-proof any new games I may enjoy, woot.
 
2012-07-04 11:01:00 AM

thisone: StoneColdAtheist: RexTalionis: The truth of the matter is, unless the device is designed for Windows 8 in mind (like Surface), the experience is probably going to suck for most users.

My BiL installed Win8 on his newish (about 6 mo.) laptop with 8 gigs of RAM, and played around with it for a week or so before uninstalling it and going back to Win7. His experience was pretty much what you describe. If your device is not designed for it you're wasting your time.


I'm running the most recent preview of win 8, 64 bit at home with 4 gig ram, and no issues. Do I use the metro interface? nope.


Hmm, that could be it. I'll ask him if he ran metro.
 
2012-07-04 11:01:07 AM
I don't want my PC to be a smartphone, so I'll be keeping my $40.

/Or, more likely spending it on oysters and booze today.
 
2012-07-04 11:11:04 AM
There are a lot of good under-the-hood improvements in Windows 8. Unfortunately they've slapped the world's worst user interface on top of it all.
 
2012-07-04 11:25:22 AM

FuturePastNow: There are a lot of good under-the-hood improvements in Windows 8. Unfortunately they've slapped the world's worst user interface on top of it all.


I'm using the trial version now, and it does seem a little snappier than W7 was on the same machine. The Metro interface can be easily disposed of.
But as a desktop user, there is no real reason for me to upgrade. Metro might be great on a mobile device, but it's a useless feature on a desktop.
 
2012-07-04 11:39:45 AM

indarwinsshadow: It'll be free on a sh*t load of torrent sites,,,but I still don't see a need to change. 7 runs relatively stable (for some reason the system occasionally hangs when I play videos..weird there's nothing in the Event Viewer logs to tell me why) so why change? There's zero advantages that I can see.


Exactly THIS. Win7 was an adequate apology for Vista, but it's just barely been out. Am I really expected to gamble on another Microsoft OS so soon? And for what?
 
2012-07-04 11:44:37 AM
Depends on what they mean by "upgrade", if this means only an in-place upgrade as in your old OS has to be installed first, then pass.

If I can load Win8 as a fresh install with the upgrade only asking for my old OS code then I may consider it since I don't find using Win8 a real big hassle since you don't have to use the Metro interface.
 
2012-07-04 11:52:23 AM
I think compared to 7, Win8 is supposed to boot faster, be faster overall, and have more features. If you have a solid state drive, booting is supposed to be under 10 seconds now. Also, like 7, it's generally supposed to run well on older hardware as well. If you don't want Metro, then click on the big "Desktop" icon and just don't use it.

I'm curious to see if a Windows app store can take off. It'd be nice to have a centralized place to see/compare/try/buy/download all Windows software, complete with user reviews, popularity comparisons, etc.
 
2012-07-04 11:53:17 AM
I put Win 8 on my 2006 Celery laptop, and it actually runs pretty great. Once you realize that they just made the Start menu fullscreen, everything else is pretty easy to handle.
 
2012-07-04 11:54:31 AM

try fect taa daa: quick question for a 7 guru... why do some web pages appear differently on a machine running 7 vs. xp? any way to turn a switch in mozilla or anywhere?

re 8...i'll check it out.


what do you mean by "different"? Like the font is different (jagged and possibly causing some spacing issues on the page) or the entire thing is wacky different?
 
2012-07-04 11:59:48 AM

skazzytl: I think compared to 7, Win8 is supposed to boot faster, be faster overall, and have more features. If you have a solid state drive, booting is supposed to be under 10 seconds now. Also, like 7, it's generally supposed to run well on older hardware as well. If you don't want Metro, then click on the big "Desktop" icon and just don't use it.

I'm curious to see if a Windows app store can take off. It'd be nice to have a centralized place to see/compare/try/buy/download all Windows software, complete with user reviews, popularity comparisons, etc.


have to admit, I've liked the way you can side dock apps. And I'm curious to build a few apps myself to test this out, since I don't like the ways the current apps are using side docking. (would love a dockable app of say, my ruby and my mongodb command lines so I don't have to faff about the the windows)

One thing I really want them to sort, app side docking wise, is when running two monitors, I want to be able to side dock an app on the secondary monitor as well as the primary monitor.
 
2012-07-04 12:00:48 PM

skazzytl: I think compared to 7, Win8 is supposed to boot faster, be faster overall, and have more features. If you have a solid state drive, booting is supposed to be under 10 seconds now. Also, like 7, it's generally supposed to run well on older hardware as well. If you don't want Metro, then click on the big "Desktop" icon and just don't use it.

I'm curious to see if a Windows app store can take off. It'd be nice to have a centralized place to see/compare/try/buy/download all Windows software, complete with user reviews, popularity comparisons, etc.


I rarely boot. I put my desktop into sleep mode and walk away. Touch the keyboard, and 1 second later I'm back up and using the system. So, the advantage of booting isn't really any sort of an advantage if that's a reason to buy an upgrade. It appears to me like a lot of window dressing on Microsofts part. Revenue is down, they're facing more and more competition from Apple, Linux and Android. Their bottom line is shrinking, so they're rushing another Windows ME to market to try and capitalize on a losing share hold. They might go Chapter 11 in another 5 years at this rate. Anyone remember Lotus notes or OS/2? No?...there's a reason for that
 
2012-07-04 12:06:19 PM
I've been thinking about running out and buying a new laptop before Win8 screws up everything. Win7 is working pretty well for me and Win8 looks like a crapshoot.

Oh how I hated the Millennium Bug Edition.
 
2012-07-04 12:10:01 PM
How about this. I will pay them 40 bucks, and they can give me a phone which has Windows 8 on it, because it is a mobile OS and will not ever be on my PC.
 
2012-07-04 12:11:56 PM
I have Win7 and see absolutely no reason to change to Win8. I have yet to see one compelling feature or useful addition. Some games in the near future will require Win8 (one is launching along with the OS), but I doubt there will be any "must have's" for a very long time.

Long enough, in fact, for another version of Windows to drop.

Yes, I know about the Xbox integration. No, I don't see any value in that. GFWL has poisoned me against anything MS-gaming-related on the desktop. Cross-platform play would be nice, especially if it meant I could buy a game for Xbox, then play it on my PC instead, but that isn't how it's working yet (future design goal).
 
2012-07-04 12:12:37 PM
OK... top 3 advantages for non-tablet users? Anyone?

So far, I've got USB3 and higher resolution support and that's it.
 
2012-07-04 12:12:55 PM
I'm waiting for whatever comes after 8.

Windows 7 Good,
Vista bad,
XP Good,
ME bad.
 
2012-07-04 12:14:40 PM
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2012-07-04 12:21:53 PM
indarwinsshadow: I rarely boot. I put my desktop into sleep mode and walk away. Touch the keyboard, and 1 second later I'm back up and using the system. So, the advantage of booting isn't really any sort of an advantage if that's a reason to buy an upgrade. It appears to me like a lot of window dressing on Microsofts part. Revenue is down, they're facing more and more competition from Apple, Linux and Android. Their bottom line is shrinking, so they're rushing another Windows ME to market to try and capitalize on a losing share hold. They might go Chapter 11 in another 5 years at this rate. Anyone remember Lotus notes or OS/2? No?...there's a reason for that.

There are a number of new features for desktops too in Windows 8. I don't think it's just a Tablet UI for 7 like people are making it out to be. The current list is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Where do you get that revenues are down? Here's a chart I brought up just now for that:

i.imgur.com

Microsoft has $58 billion cash at the moment, and that continues to go up. They continue to make good money from key divisions where it'd be very expensive to replace their software with anything else, and they have bets coming up with products like Surface and Win8 that could work out very well if they succeed, and won't kill them if they don't succeed. I don't see any scenario where they go Chapter 11 in 5 years..
 
2012-07-04 12:26:42 PM

skazzytl: Microsoft has $58 billion cash at the moment, and that continues to go up. They continue to make good money from key divisions where it'd be very expensive to replace their software with anything else, and they have bets coming up with products like Surface and Win8 that could work out very well if they succeed, and won't kill them if they don't succeed. I don't see any scenario where they go Chapter 11 in 5 years..


Yeah, when I see shiat like that I am reminded of the predictions of Apple's demise that were making headlines 15 years ago.

Oops!
 
2012-07-04 12:33:07 PM
Uh-oh, that's not a good sign.

When an OS company stops charging for their OS, it means they're about to gouge you some other way. Look for Microsoft-App-Store only installation for all Apps, Music, Movies, Browsers, and pretty much any content.

Same direction Apple is going.
 
2012-07-04 12:36:43 PM

Raharu: I'm waiting for whatever comes after 8.

Windows 7 Good,
Vista bad,
XP Good,
ME bad.


ME Bad?!?
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-07-04 12:39:48 PM

Winktologist: Uh-oh, that's not a good sign.

When an OS company stops charging for their OS, it means they're about to gouge you some other way. Look for Microsoft-App-Store only installation for all Apps, Music, Movies, Browsers, and pretty much any content.

Same direction Apple is going.


FTA: "The $40 upgrade price for Windows 8 Pro is part of an upgrade extravaganza promotion period lasts from the Windows 8 launch (sometime in fall) until January 31st, 2013."

It's just a promotion. They did something similar when Windows 7 came out.
 
2012-07-04 12:45:30 PM

El Freak: It's just a promotion. They did something similar when Windows 7 came out.


For Win7 it was less of a promotion and more of a "please forget that Vista ever happened and accept this discounted OS as our official apology". I'll wait until Win7 is burned out and they've released the discounted apology for 8.
 
2012-07-04 12:45:58 PM

Winktologist: Uh-oh, that's not a good sign.

When an OS company stops charging for their OS, it means they're about to gouge you some other way. Look for Microsoft-App-Store only installation for all Apps, Music, Movies, Browsers, and pretty much any content.

Same direction Apple is going.


Which, sadly, is the direction people want it to go. Sure, maybe there are power users that are going to hate that they are losing the cool features of a general purpose computer. But the majority of people want something that is pretty, works, is easy, is pretty, works, and most importantly is easy while still looking pretty.

They don't really care about security, performance, the underlying technology, the hardware, whether or not it is open source or what licensing model it uses, how badly it treats developers, what 3rd world slave labour they employ to maximize profit, etc, etc, etc...

Integrated App stores, always-on connectivity, auto synch'ing everything imaginable to the cloud - that's what people want.
 
2012-07-04 01:00:56 PM
I'll take advantage of it at least for the product key. Hopefully they'll smarten up and allow users to use a fully-featured "classic" desktop setup rather than the Metro UI, but if I'm gonna upgrade anytime in the next several years, good to have that in my pocket than spend full price.
 
2012-07-04 01:11:07 PM
Done in one. 8 looks like a great OS for tablet or mobile, but not PC. The upgrade price is tempting, but I'll stick with 7.
 
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