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(Huffington Post)   Congressional candidate Chris Collins (not a docto-R) says people aren't dying of prostate cancer anymore. This is news to Raiders legend Ben Davidson, who died today of prostate cancer   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 88
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2012-07-04 03:06:33 AM
resguru.com
 
2012-07-04 03:11:31 AM
Ben Davidson died today :( dammit.
 
2012-07-04 03:14:53 AM
"The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."
Reality disagrees:
ucatlas.ucsc.edu
 
2012-07-04 05:21:15 AM

borg: Ben Davidson died today :( dammit.


Helluva defensive end...an idol of mine when I played ball in high school...and honorable mention in the mustache HOF. Sorry to hear he passed.
 
2012-07-04 09:23:49 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."
Reality disagrees:
[ucatlas.ucsc.edu image 594x459]


I don't think it's the doctors making all that money.
 
2012-07-04 09:26:52 AM
Ben Davidson? Who was he, Belloc?
 
2012-07-04 09:27:14 AM
"People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things,"

Finally, baseball and football players can stop using pink equipment a few times a year. Good job guys, you cured breast cancer.
 
2012-07-04 09:29:44 AM
I'll be glad when we get to universal single-payer and are done with this silliness.
 
2012-07-04 09:31:36 AM
How ignorant do you have to be? Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers that kill men.
 
2012-07-04 09:33:55 AM
Republicans never let the facts get in the way of their stories.
 
2012-07-04 09:37:17 AM
When will these idiots learn to shut up? And when will the blockheaded morons who worship these clowns stop supporting this nonsense?
 
2012-07-04 09:38:02 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."
Reality disagrees:
[ucatlas.ucsc.edu image 594x459]


In fairness, we would be a lot higher on that list if we simply fixed obesity and heart disease. Of course, Republicans are steadfastly against that. Personal freedom, responsibility, or whatever.

/I know, I know
//One does not simply fix Obesity
 
2012-07-04 09:38:09 AM

James F. Campbell: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."
Reality disagrees:
[ucatlas.ucsc.edu image 594x459]

I don't think it's the doctors making all that money.


No, it's not. Which makes Mr. Collins' "point" even more ridiculous.
 
2012-07-04 09:41:10 AM
Jesus f*cking Christ, they really are becoming the pro-cancer party, aren't they?
 
2012-07-04 09:41:53 AM

HeartBurnKid: James F. Campbell: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."
Reality disagrees:
[ucatlas.ucsc.edu image 594x459]

I don't think it's the doctors making all that money.

No, it's not. Which makes Mr. Collins' "point" even more ridiculous.


Nobody cares about the blatant lies of these evil, ignorant farktards anymore. Reality doesn't matter anymore.

Truly, we are living in the postmodern era.
 
2012-07-04 09:42:34 AM
I thought Joan was the fiction writer in that family.

/RIP Ben Davidson.
 
2012-07-04 09:54:43 AM
Good grief, will you Libs stop taking everything Republicans say as though it was intended to be a factual statement?
 
2012-07-04 09:57:02 AM
He he DIED. Therefore, he is no longer dying.

So much outrage over nothing.
 
2012-07-04 10:02:50 AM
And yet, if I were to take Mr. Collins into a back alley and beat him to death with a dildo for being obviously too stupid to live, they'd put ME in jail.

Seriously, Republicans, these are the people to look to to lead you? Why not just keep a turd in a box and talk to it, like Mr. Hankey.
 
2012-07-04 10:03:55 AM
I think the GOP encourages their members to make the most retarded, ridiculous statements possible knowing that disengaged voters will attribute them to "politicians" rather than republicans. Then when election time comes, they run on the platform that "goverment is bad" and these same voters will vote for the GOP since they agree.
 
2012-07-04 10:07:18 AM
Due to the Lieberal, Lamestream MSM Medais turning good RealTM Americans away from our traditional values, all of the prostate cancers are now anti-state (Big-government Federal!!!) cancers.
 
2012-07-04 10:07:27 AM

Bloody William: How ignorant do you have to be? Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers that kill men.


It's not real until everyone is wearing a brown ribbon.
 
2012-07-04 10:11:52 AM
I guess the Susan G Komen Foundation can just hang up the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and go home
 
2012-07-04 10:15:44 AM
What is the deal with these republican assholes obsession with prostates?
 
2012-07-04 10:15:46 AM
Collins was a CEO who became our County Executive. He's not stupid. That leaves dishonest.
 
2012-07-04 10:17:24 AM

Bloody William: How ignorant do you have to be? Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers that kill men.


This was my thought. If he had singled out something else that was perhaps more obscure or at least there was some ongoing debate over then I might give him a pass but goddamn....
 
2012-07-04 10:19:48 AM

The Why Not Guy: Collins was a CEO who became our County Executive. He's not stupid. That leaves dishonest.


The only thing dishonest is the people who are pretending they don't know what he meant so they can feign outrage.
 
2012-07-04 10:25:01 AM

born_yesterday: And yet, if I were to take Mr. Collins into a back alley and beat him to death with a dildo for being obviously too stupid to live, they'd put ME in jail.

Seriously, Republicans, these are the people to look to to lead you? Why not just keep a turd in a box and talk to it, like Mr. Hankey.


A new Pew poll shows about half the people do not know that the SCOTUS approved Obamacare last week: 30% don't know what it did, and 15% say the Court rejected the law. One might say that decision was heavily covered in the news recently. Poll

Then it is not surprising to me that a politician like Collins can make up stuff as this cancer BS and convince large numbers of Republican voters that it is true.
 
2012-07-04 10:26:57 AM

Kome: Jesus f*cking Christ, they really are becoming the pro-cancer party, aren't they?


Still no cure for Republicanism.
 
2012-07-04 10:29:08 AM
I would like to welcome Mr. Collins to his UFITA.
 
2012-07-04 10:34:48 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Bloody William: How ignorant do you have to be? Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers that kill men.

This was my thought. If he had singled out something else that was perhaps more obscure or at least there was some ongoing debate over then I might give him a pass but goddamn....


In the breast cancer industry, there has been a lot of criticism over the real(or perceived) lack of interest or direct disapproval of stage 4 breast cancer sufferers. All of the money goes to screening, dubious awareness campaigns and research. The public face of the charities are healthy looking survivors doing walkathons with their daughters. It might have been the original intention to give women hope and get them tested, but now all it does is disguise the fact that death rates from it are pretty stagnant over the past 20 years.

Unless someone you know died of it, I can see how people would think that it's totally curable now.

That's for the general public. If you are tasked with voting on or setting health care policy, you should feel obligated to be better informed than a teenager working at Burger King.
 
2012-07-04 11:04:24 AM
I bet he wonders why we threw him out as County Executive. This is why.
 
2012-07-04 11:28:41 AM

DrewCurtisJr: The only thing dishonest is the people who are pretending they don't know what he meant so they can feign outrage.


I'm going by what he said, not speculating on what he might have meant. If he meant something other than what he said, then that's what he should have said. If I mean apple I say apple. I don't say popsicle and then get mad that you didn't know I really meant apple.

As for outrage? I'm not outraged. He made a ridiculous, demonstrably false statement and he's being called on it.
 
2012-07-04 11:47:02 AM

The Why Not Guy: If I mean apple I say apple. I don't say popsicle and then get mad that you didn't know I really meant apple.


You would get mad when people take things out of context and don't use just a little bit of common sense. People take a small part of a lengthy interview and don't put it in context.

The guy who actually recorded the interview feels the same way. Hochul campaign rips quote out of context to try and slur opponent


And then people complain when candidates have everything scripted.
 
2012-07-04 11:49:03 AM

trotsky: When will these idiots learn to shut up? And when will the blockheaded morons who worship these clowns stop supporting this nonsense?


Until Faux "News" goes off the air.
 
2012-07-04 11:54:30 AM
Davisdson was the farkin' man. How many other NFL players could get away with his on-field way of playing today? Not to mention he made a cameo in "Behind the Green Door".

Link
 
2012-07-04 12:15:27 PM

Bloody William: How ignorant do you have to be? Prostate cancer is one of the most common cancers that kill men.


My understanding is that, while instances of prostate are much more frequent among men than any other type of cancer, it's much less deadly than other types of cancers. It takes a long time to develop, meaning that even if you leave it untreated, you're more likely to die of another cause. There are also a lot of issues with the test for prostate cancer that makes it likely for someone to get a false positive, waste a lot of money trying to treat it, then find out it was just a simple infection or something.

That said, plenty of people are still dying of it. To say it's not a problem is just silly.

*Some sources: CDC's website kinda sucks, but it's still somewhat informative:

Link

Compare the incidence rate of prostate cancer vs. lung cancer, then look at the actual mortality rates. Pretty startling.
 
2012-07-04 12:31:50 PM

bk3k: He he DIED. Therefore, he is no longer dying.

So much outrage over nothing.


+1
 
2012-07-04 01:15:12 PM
"The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

Try again
 
2012-07-04 01:34:08 PM

DrewCurtisJr: The guy who actually recorded the interview feels the same way. Hochul campaign rips quote out of context to try and slur opponent


The Kathy Hochul campaign just released the following statement:

"Chris Collins has demonstrated a stunning lack of sensitivity by saying, 'people now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer, and some of the other things.' Tragically, nearly 70,000 people will die this year from these two types of cancer alone. We can disagree about public policy without making these kinds of outrageous and offensive statements."

That's the statement, with no reference to the source nor the full quote so people could judge the context for themselves.
The original source is The Batavian (both as a courtesy to The Batavian and as a matter of complete transparency, the Hochul campaign should have included this fact in its release).
Here's the full quote from Collins:

"People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," Collins said. "The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better, we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators -- they didn't exist 10 years ago. The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

On its face, the opening part of the quote from Collins sounds outrageous, but in context, clearly, Collins misspoke. More likely, he meant to say. "Fewer people die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things."


I'm not sure how that's any better in context. It's still positively and provably wrong. In context it merely compounds the error (as shown in graphs above about cost vs life span) by piling wrong on wrong on wrong.
 
2012-07-04 01:54:47 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I'm not sure how that's any better in context. It's still positively and provably wrong.


What, that mortality rates from a lot of cancers and diseases are lowered because of modern medicine?
 
2012-07-04 02:10:23 PM

DrewCurtisJr: What, that mortality rates from a lot of cancers and diseases are lowered because of modern medicine?


That's not what he said. It may well be what he was thinking, or what he wanted to say. But it's not what he said.
 
2012-07-04 02:11:18 PM

DrewCurtisJr: What, that mortality rates from a lot of cancers and diseases are lowered because of modern medicine?


Ummmm. That's not what he said.

"People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," - this is wrong

"The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases" - This is also wrong. Americans spend many times more on health care and yet have lower life spans than other industrialized nations who spend less.

Maybe what he meant to say was "Cherry pie is delicious", in which case he'd certainly be correct. Too bad he fumbled his words.
 
2012-07-04 02:30:22 PM

The Why Not Guy: That's not what he said. It may well be what he was thinking, or what he wanted to say. But it's not what he said.


And what do you think is most likely? It's a waste of time to jump all over politicians just because their choice of words isn't always perfect. A waste of time and a distraction.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: This is also wrong. Americans spend many times more on health care and yet have lower life spans than other industrialized nations who spend less.


He's not comparing us to other nations, he's comparing the past to the present.

Too bad he fumbled his words.

Too bad people don't use a little common sense, realize he misspoke, and move on.
 
2012-07-04 02:37:30 PM

DrewCurtisJr: He's not comparing us to other nations, he's comparing the past to the present.


And he's STILL wrong!

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Tr e nds-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistori cal.html

Page full of links to stats. Start with the one labelled "NHE summary including share of GDP, CY 1960-2010 [ZIP, 2KB]" which shows how health care spending in the USA has gone from less than 5% of GDP to over 17% of GDP from 1960 to today.

You really wanna keep betting on this horse? Even after everyone has pointed out his bum leg, crossed eyes, the weeping open sores on his rear haunches and the fact that this animal is clearly a cow?
 
2012-07-04 02:40:17 PM

DrewCurtisJr: It's a waste of time to jump all over politicians just because their choice of words isn't always perfect. A waste of time and a distraction.


Great, so we'll never hear a Republican refer to "57 states" ever again, right?

Right?
 
2012-07-04 02:45:33 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Page full of links to stats. Start with the one labelled "NHE summary including share of GDP, CY 1960-2010 [ZIP, 2KB]" which shows how health care spending in the USA has gone from less than 5% of GDP to over 17% of GDP from 1960 to today.


You are agreeing with him.

The Why Not Guy: Great, so we'll never hear a Republican refer to "57 states" ever again, right?



Just because one side does it, it doesn't make it right for the other side. Waste of time all around to focus on these trivial things, no matter who does it.
 
2012-07-04 02:49:01 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Waste of time all around to focus on these trivial things, no matter who does it.


And I'm sure when it does happen you'll speak out and defend the President the way you're defending Chris Collins *snicker*.
 
2012-07-04 02:50:23 PM

DrewCurtisJr: You are agreeing with him.


No.

Americans are more than three times more for health care than they were 40 years ago.

Other nations -- who have access to the same health care technologies and medical advances -- have longer life spans while spending far less money. If you want to look at it in a complete bubble then he's correct but that is a completely facile and surface way of measuring any level of success.
 
2012-07-04 03:12:50 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: DrewCurtisJr: You are agreeing with him.

No.

Americans are more than three times more for health care than they were 40 years ago.

Other nations -- who have access to the same health care technologies and medical advances -- have longer life spans while spending far less money. If you want to look at it in a complete bubble then he's correct but that is a completely facile and surface way of measuring any level of success.


That's the GOP platform in a nutshell-- provide misleading data for facile morons who have no critical thinking skills.

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