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2012-07-05 12:23:41 AM

Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...


Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?
 
2012-07-05 12:29:05 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?



I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape
 
2012-07-05 12:34:57 AM

Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape


Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.
 
2012-07-05 12:37:26 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.


do maybe the reason the dodo bird is extinct is they all turned gay? LOL
 
2012-07-05 12:40:40 AM

Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

do maybe the reason the dodo bird is extinct is they all turned gay? LOL


Well, they did all get eaten by sailors.
 
2012-07-05 12:44:06 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.


Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.
 
2012-07-05 12:46:37 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

do maybe the reason the dodo bird is extinct is they all turned gay? LOL

Well, they did all get eaten by sailors.


Wrong. Humans found the dodo inedible because of the high oil content of their flesh, plus they were strong and ornery birds. They were wiped out by the rats, pigs, and cats that escaped from the ships/the sailors let loose, which destroyed their eggs and young.
 
2012-07-05 12:47:28 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

do maybe the reason the dodo bird is extinct is they all turned gay? LOL

Well, they did all get eaten by sailors.


LOL
 
2012-07-05 12:48:41 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?


I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

do maybe the reason the dodo bird is extinct is they all turned gay? LOL

Well, they did all get eaten by sailors.

Wrong. Humans found the dodo inedible because of the high oil content of their flesh, plus they were strong and ornery birds. They were wiped out by the rats, pigs, and cats that escaped from the ships/the sailors let loose, which destroyed their eggs and young.


did you really think my statement about the dodo birds turning gay was serious?
 
2012-07-05 12:49:23 AM

Waldo Pepper: Trapper439: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Deep down I don't give even the remotest of flying farks, and anyone who does has some serious farking issues.

NTTIAWWT, tony

then why would you respond? deep down when I don't care about something I ignore it.


Sounds like you and your llama understand this whole mess better than someone I expect to tell us what his surname is any second now.
 
2012-07-05 12:50:38 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.


do you have a photo of this gay animal fossil record, your statement seem to imply that there was a lot of gay animal sex going on before man got here.

so do gay bears go for twinks or bear types?
 
2012-07-05 12:55:36 AM

tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.


It's not just normal, it's awesome. You should try it some time; I can tell that you want to. :)

/Has no issue with polyamory, either.
//As long as all parties are legally able to consent, why should I care?
 
2012-07-05 12:57:22 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.


What a strange assumption. Homosexual behavior is in our recorded history, generally as part of the mix of sexuality. Ancient Greeks and Romans were bi-sexual and pederasts. Prison homosexuality doesn't count as homosexual activity. What's different is the current perception of homosexual activities, and the societal demand that a person be either/or.
 
2012-07-05 01:06:54 AM

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.

What a strange assumption. Homosexual behavior is in our recorded history, generally as part of the mix of sexuality. Ancient Greeks and Romans were bi-sexual and pederasts. Prison homosexuality doesn't count as homosexual activity. What's different is the current perception of homosexual activities, and the societal demand that a person be either/or.


why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be doing each other. nope not only not natural but a sin.

doesn't mean they are evil or anything like that just freaking confused
 
2012-07-05 01:11:32 AM

Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.

What a strange assumption. Homosexual behavior is in our recorded history, generally as part of the mix of sexuality. Ancient Greeks and Romans were bi-sexual and pederasts. Prison homosexuality doesn't count as homosexual activity. What's different is the current perception of homosexual activities, and the societal demand that a person be either/or.

why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be d ...


Go back to your llama.
 
2012-07-05 01:11:50 AM

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.

What a strange assumption. Homosexual behavior is in our recorded history, generally as part of the mix of sexuality. Ancient Greeks and Romans were bi-sexual and pederasts. Prison homosexuality doesn't count as homosexual activity. What's different is the current perception of homosexual activities, and the societal demand that a person be either/or.


That was meant for the "homosexuality didn't exist until humans showed up" part. It has been humans ever since we started recording history, which has been for many thousands of years. Extrapolating from that, it's been part of the natural world for far longer. It's also, for humans, been through a lot of ups and downs where it was everything from a normal part of life to a horrible pox upon creation. Not unlike the roller coaster that domestic cats have been through, revered as gods one era and slaughtered as demons in another.

What's funny is that, for both cats and homos, the downs have always been caused by religion.
 
2012-07-05 01:12:56 AM

Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.

do you have a photo of this gay animal fossil record, your statement seem to imply that there was a lot of gay animal sex going on before man got here.

so do gay bears go for twinks or bear types?


see if it was natural there would not be this odd issue with a man says he is gay but he goes for the guy who pretty much acts like a woman and has a body like a flat chick or the lesbian who claims to like woman but you look at her gf and you swear it is a man.

and I seriously doubt that most men get as much pleasure out of being rammed from behind as they act like.

i'm willing to bet that those who think they have a gay dog , you put your "gay" dog next to another male dog and a biatch in heat see which one your "gay" dog goes after, even if you got one of those tiny dogs and the biatch in heat is huge dog that little mutt will try to mount her.
 
2012-07-05 01:15:29 AM

Waldo Pepper: simplicimus:

why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be d ...


My prison reference is that what happens happens in prison doesn't seem to count (to the prisoners) as being gay.
Me, I'm not gay and I can't say I understand the attraction. But I can not decree that what I don't understand is not normal for other people. Just as some people would not understand my monogamy as normal behavior.
 
2012-07-05 01:18:37 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Which is why it's existed since before humans appeared, hm?

Ah yes, I forgot about that. So instead of just waving his hand and ridding us of the "original sin" (because intelligent is truly the most evil thing ever), the all-powerful, all-loving God sends a piece of himself down to Earth to live for a few y ...

Seriously, looking at a page full of text, what's the question?

I asked how does he know, did they leave behind a sex tape

Fair enough question. What happened before humans appeared, and the thousands of years before we started recording things, is unknowable.

Not quite. Using fossils, the rocks the fossils were in, the samples of air and chemicals in the rocks, the rings of fossil and still-living trees, and the behaviors and habits of the existing animals, we can deduce and guess with varying amounts of certainty how animals lived and behaved in the past. Us not being there to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And honestly, thinking that our mere appearance suddenly turned everything gay is quite an arrogant assumption.

What a strange assumption. Homosexual behavior is in our recorded history, generally as part of the mix of sexuality. Ancient Greeks and Romans were bi-sexual and pederasts. Prison homosexuality doesn't count as homosexual activity. What's different is the current perception of homosexual activities, and the societal demand that a person be either/or.

That was meant for the "homosexuality didn't exist until humans showed up" part. It has been humans ever since we started recording history, which has been for many thousands of years. Extrapolating from that, it's been part of the natural world for far longer. It's also, for humans, been through a lot of ups and downs where it was everything from a normal part of life to a horri ...


i would think for homos the inability to procreate with each other would be a pretty huge downfall.

so 2 gay guys and 1 str8 man/woman are placed on a separate islands and the only goal is to prove that homosexuality is natural vs being unnatural they are the only folks on the island the contest runs for 120 years whichever has the most survivors is proven to be natural

hmmm seems the gays have no chance to win
 
2012-07-05 01:24:39 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus:

why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be d ...

My prison reference is that what happens happens in prison doesn't seem to count (to the prisoners) as being gay.
Me, I'm not gay and I can't say I understand the attraction. But I can not decree that what I don't understand is not normal for other people. Just as some people would not understand my monogamy as normal behavior.


prison sex is just lowering oneself to his horny side. that would almost be like saying well my wife is really sick and has been for months so it is okay if i cheat on her. hey she is better now so I'm not cheating.

monogamy is sex based on love.
 
2012-07-05 01:27:15 AM

simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus:

why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be d ...

My prison reference is that what happens happens in prison doesn't seem to count (to the prisoners) as being gay.
Me, I'm not gay and I can't say I understand the attraction. But I can not decree that what I don't understand is not normal for other people. Just as some people would not understand my monogamy as normal behavior.


Prison rape isn't about being gay. It's about power, control, and humiliation, the same as "normal" rape.
 
2012-07-05 01:37:48 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Waldo Pepper: simplicimus:

why does prison homosexuality not count? not being able to control ones sexual desire is not an excuse to go where no man should go.

I tried to watch brokeback mountain (i like movies) first, ugh boring movie second dude that tent scene was not love that was rape. i turned it off.

it ain't natural. if it is natural as horny as young boys are I would think they all would be d ...

My prison reference is that what happens happens in prison doesn't seem to count (to the prisoners) as being gay.
Me, I'm not gay and I can't say I understand the attraction. But I can not decree that what I don't understand is not normal for other people. Just as some people would not understand my monogamy as normal behavior.

Prison rape isn't about being gay. It's about power, control, and humiliation, the same as "normal" rape.


he didn't say prison rape he said homosexuality in prison, two different actions
 
2012-07-05 01:42:53 AM
Prison rape isn't about being gay. It's about power, control, and humiliation, the same as "normal" rape.

I believe he's talking about consensual sex, where people will engage in same sex behavior, without necessarily being gay, or even bisexual. You could argue that they're bisexual by definition, but I think there's wriggle room. I think bisexuals are at least somewhat attracted to both sexes; if someone has sex with another man only because there is no other option, and isn't really attracted to other men, I think that person is hetero. We all know that many closeted gay men have been married to women, had sex with them, even been fathers, and have never been anything other than gay the whole time. No matter how many times they had heterosexual sex, it didn't make them straight.
 
2012-07-05 01:50:05 AM
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2012-07-05 02:00:11 AM

Waldo Pepper: Trapper439: tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

Deep down I don't give even the remotest of flying farks, and anyone who does has some serious farking issues.

NTTIAWWT, tony

then why would you respond? deep down when I don't care about something I ignore it.


Some people know that their neighbors' freedom is also their freedom. Not morons of course, but some people.
 
2012-07-05 02:45:57 AM

Waldo Pepper: and I seriously doubt that most men get as much pleasure out of being rammed from behind as they act like.


Um, it's pretty damn awesome.
 
2012-07-05 02:46:41 AM

Thoguh: This is basically the one case where I think the "slipperly slope" isn't so slippery. If the government doesn't have the right to tell you you can only marry someone of the opposite gender, why do they have the right to tell you that a marriage can only be between two consenting adults? If three consenting adults are all in love with each other and want to spend their lives together then why does the government have a right to define "marriage" in a way that excludes their love? Once you've decided the government can't define marriage why do only certain types of marriage between consenting adults remain allowed?


Because marrying more than one person necessitates the creation of a vast and complex new set of laws regarding the disbursement of goods in the case of death or divorce. A gay marriage does not change anything - two men divorcing is no different than a man and a woman divorcing. When one partner dies in a marriage between two women, the transferal of property rights is as obvious and regular as the when one partner dies in a marriage between a man and a woman. Adding a third interested party to these equations changes them completely, thus the state has a compelling interest in denying marriages between more than two people.

Furthermore, unlike gay marriage, there is voluminous evidence that polygamy is harmful to women in particular.
 
2012-07-05 03:34:25 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Thoguh: Once you've decided the government can't define marriage why do only certain types of marriage between consenting adults remain allowed?

Because the property law involved becomes nightmarish at that point, and there are no traditionally accepted ways to configure it.


Gay marriage is also still not "traditionally accepted."
 
2012-07-05 04:08:27 AM
Is that so? Damn, I'll need to find a hot married bi-chick and get a cut of her action.
 
2012-07-05 04:39:35 AM
The comments in TFA are a goldmine.
 
2012-07-05 04:40:42 AM
As long as we get rid of marriage and child tax deductions, I will be happy that discrimination against 43% of the American adult population has finally ended, and an era of civilized society has begun.
 
2012-07-05 04:44:21 AM

Repo Man: if someone has sex with another man only because there is no other option, and isn't really attracted to other men, I think that person is hetero


As a hetero, I will point out that the other option would be "don't have sex with a man".
 
2012-07-05 04:49:43 AM
tony41454: Simple. Homosexuality Religious fanaticism is NOT normal behavior. And deep down you know it isn't.

FTFY.

Still getting a kick out of all the trolls trying to pretend that this is any kind of actual issue.

The argument "if you allow gay marriage you must allow polygamous marriages as well" is a very stinky red herring.

There is no real co-relation between the two arguments.

There are very real differences between the two groups as well.

Allowing some men to amass harems while other men get priced out of the wife market (so to speak) would create massive societal resentment.

Traditionally, with Mormon offshoots who actually practice this stuff (by only legally having only one "wife" while marrying a shiat ton of young ignorant and most likely related girls who are supported by the state as single moms) the results are not positive for society and lead to many problems.

/Looking at you Bountiful.

Funniest part of this faux argument by my lights is the fact that the only people who ever seem to advocate for polygamous marriage are religious weirdos and cultists and the main bulk of the opposition to gay marriage is, once again, religious weirdos.

So excuse me for not taking this BS argument even remotely seriously for even a second.
 
2012-07-05 05:02:05 AM

quatchi: Funniest part of this faux argument by my lights is the fact that the only people who ever seem to advocate for polygamous marriage are religious weirdos and cultists ...


Not always. I'm the least religious person on Fark, but I have no problem with polyamorous relationships (and have been in one before - it was basically just an extended threesome, nothing religious or cultish about it). Of course, I'm not keen on the Mormons' version of polyamory because the women are forced into it and are usually underage, but if it's just three or four adults who like living and boning together, why should it matter?
 
2012-07-05 05:06:18 AM
Addendum: I don't actually think that polyamorous relationships need to be legalised the way gay marriages do, since there are no real civil rights issues there and I have no idea how to get around the economic problems; I just don't care if somebody wants to be in one or not. :P
 
2012-07-05 05:25:28 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: if it's just three or four adults who like living and boning together, why should it matter?


Remove the religious element, the child bride thing, the enforced ignorance thing and just make it about 3 (or more) people who get along, want to live (and have hot sweaty sex) together and I have no problem with it as long as you reflect the new reality with updated laws regarding divorce, child custody in case of death or divorce etc, etc..

But there are some people ITT acting like there is an active pro-polygamy political element in society comparable to the massive number of gay folks who are seeking their full civil rights (who've organized and pressed this matter for years) and that argument is a non starter.

The original derp argument here was that "if you allow gay marriage then also you'll have to allow bigamy and polygamy and child brides and incestuous relationships and people marrying animals and inanimate objects"

The derpiest aspects of that got pared off over time and this is what we're left with.

And it's still dumber than a bag of blonde hair.

As long as people recognize who is making this argument, why they are making it and that it is, in fact, a red herring that is not related to the gay marriage debate nor is it an issue with any significant lobby behind it, I'm cool.
 
2012-07-05 05:37:23 AM

quatchi: As long as people recognize who is making this argument, why they are making it and that it is, in fact, a red herring that is not related to the gay marriage debate nor is it an issue with any significant lobby behind it, I'm cool.


Oh, absolutely, I agree with all of that. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. :)
 
2012-07-05 05:44:33 AM

Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Keizer_Ghidorah

tony41454: No one has a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution to get married. No one. You have the right to the "pursuit" of happiness, though it's no guarantee you'll find it. There are a lot of reasons people can't get married legally. Do we want a country where it's a "right" that someone can marry their sister? Men DON'T marry men. It against Mother nature.

Marriage itself is against Mother Nature. I don't see animals throwing weddings or signing contracts. There are plenty of species who have homosexual activities and relations, though, from great apes to fruit flies.

Technically, though, nothing that occurs is "unnatural". If it was unnatural, it wouldn't happen/exist in the first place. Like it or not, humans are animals and part of nature.

See my post above. If you want to be lumped with the lower order of creation, be my guest.

Sorry, Charlie, your God/creationist/"Humans are better because we think we're special" doesn't apply. Humans are simply one species among millions inhabiting this planet. We happened to evolve intelligence as our means of survival, and because of it we gained the ability to think abstractly (not unique, several other animals have shown that ability too) and to shape the materials around us to an amazing degree (also not unique, many animals and insects make and use tools and shape their world).

Animals are not "lesser" than us. Humans are not a magic "superior" species. We are as mortal as all other life, and far more frail than a majority of it. That air of arrogance is our biggest weakness, which causes things like bigotry, discrimination, and hate. If you really want to get down to it, humans are inferior to other animals because of it.

and this is where the slippery slope really gets extra slippery and steeper. If we are all just animals, why can't i marry my dog/cat/llama.


Because dogs/cats/llamas aren't the same species, and aren't able to give legal consent. Besides, llamas make TERRIBLE sexual partners. They always spit.
 
2012-07-05 06:54:31 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: quatchi: As long as people recognize who is making this argument, why they are making it and that it is, in fact, a red herring that is not related to the gay marriage debate nor is it an issue with any significant lobby behind it, I'm cool.

Oh, absolutely, I agree with all of that. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. :)


I didn't think you did I was just riffing. Actually, your theorizing lead me to postulate for a few happy moments what pair of ladies I would polyamorously marry if I could pick any two in the world.

Good times. Good times. ^__^

/Gotta luff late night Farking.
//Uma Thurman/Toothy home schooled wife FTW!
 
2012-07-05 07:14:52 AM

mark12A: HI-larious watching Farkers twist themselves into knots explaining that Gay marriage is A-OK, but Polygamy is "Impractical", "Unwieldy" etc.

The line has been crossed. There is no logical basis to allow gay marriage, but not extend it to polygamy. None. You can argue that it's bad for the participants (reference the social/economic travails of societies with widespread polygamy) but that's, like, just you're opinion, man.

I argue that Gay marriage is a bad idea because of how it's going to screw up child rearing in our society, not because of any homophobia, yet I'm denounced as a bigot. Sorry, none of you can make an argument that justifies Gay Marriage, and opposes Polygamy.

Nothing left to do but let events unfold, and show through bitter, hard won, first hand experience that there's a reason that traditional marriage arose and existed in highly successful societies for hundreds of years....


You do realize, I trust, that what you call "traditional marriage" is by no means the "story" of humanity? That there have been centuries of matriarchal society as well as patriarchal society. That there have been cultures with centuries of polygamy, as well as cultures with centuries of monogamy. There have been cultures with centuries of bisexuality, such as ancient Greece, even if men didn't "marry" other men.

You imply that mankind evolved and developed due to "traditional" one-man, one-woman "marriage." Whereas mankind evolved over a period of 250,000 years, and "marriage" entered the picture probably around 8000 years ago, and even then, it was not at all what you describe as "traditional" marriage.

In short, your argument boils down to the same old, "Gay marriage threatens my marriage" argument, although it is somewhat expanded to, "gay marriage threatens all of human society." Along with "gay marriage immediately turns into marrying men, women and pigs."

By that logic, I would say that allowing prayer into the classroom (or the ten commandments on public property) will lead inevitably to building temples to Moloch and burning children alive at dawn to appease the bloodlust of the god. If you try to claim otherwise, you are merely tying yourself into a pretzel.
 
2012-07-05 07:19:09 AM

Serious Black: James F. Campbell: Serious Black: A court in Canada recently heard a case about their plural marriage ban. The opinion went through the history of plural marriage in every culture that had ever allowed it and found tons of evidence that it was bad for essentially everyone in those societies, even people who weren't actually in a plural marriage.

Citation?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/world/americas/british-columbia-cou r t-upholds-canadas-polygamy-ban.html

Sorry, I would do the html code to link it, but my phone is not cooperating with me. The article has a link to the opinion that has the evidence.


FYA: "In a 335-page decision that followed 42 days of hearings, Robert J. Bauman, the court's chief justice, found that women in polygamous relationships faced higher rates of domestic, physical and sexual abuse, died younger and were more prone to mental illnesses. Children from those marriages, he said, were more likely to be abused and neglected, less likely to perform well at school and often suffered from emotional and behavioral problems."

I checked the decision. Under "C. Polygamy Globally," they have listed:

1. Islam

and

2. Mormonism

That's it.

I think it is a slight mischaracterization for you to say "[t]he opinion went through the history of plural marriage in every culture that had ever allowed it," but this phrase is key to understanding the ruling:

"The law seeks to advance the institution of monogamous marriage, a fundamental value in Western society from the earliest of times," Justice Bauman wrote. "It seeks to protect against the many harms which are reasonably apprehended to arise out of the practice of polygamy."

This is, in my estimation, correctly interpreted: if the law's intent is to advance the traditional Western conception of monogamous marriage, then it is absolutely correct to ban polygamy. There is indeed, as the decision describes, a long tradition of monogamy in the West. No religious book is necessary -- in fact, it hurts the cause to use the Christian Bible, given that it contains many examples of non-monogamous relationships.

Frankly, I think marriage -- as a legal institution -- should be abolished. Marriage is a religious sacrament; for the government to recognize it as a legal entity constitutes a violation of the Establishment Clause. It's analogous, in my opinion, to giving tax breaks to people who say Mass or to people who have been baptized.

Civil unions for all. You can get married in a church.
 
2012-07-05 08:16:01 AM

skepticultist: Thoguh: This is basically the one case where I think the "slipperly slope" isn't so slippery. If the government doesn't have the right to tell you you can only marry someone of the opposite gender, why do they have the right to tell you that a marriage can only be between two consenting adults? If three consenting adults are all in love with each other and want to spend their lives together then why does the government have a right to define "marriage" in a way that excludes their love? Once you've decided the government can't define marriage why do only certain types of marriage between consenting adults remain allowed?

Because marrying more than one person necessitates the creation of a vast and complex new set of laws regarding the disbursement of goods in the case of death or divorce. A gay marriage does not change anything - two men divorcing is no different than a man and a woman divorcing. When one partner dies in a marriage between two women, the transferal of property rights is as obvious and regular as the when one partner dies in a marriage between a man and a woman. Adding a third interested party to these equations changes them completely, thus the state has a compelling interest in denying marriages between more than two people.

Furthermore, unlike gay marriage, there is voluminous evidence that polygamy is harmful to women in particular.


so what is next, limiting the number of children one may have based on their financial standing. It is so much harder to raise kids when one doesn't make much money.

if homosexual marriage is legal, how can the government prevent a person from marrying multiple partners. arguing that there is voluminous evidence that polygamy is harmful to women strikes me as a lame argument. there is voluminous evidence that smoking, eating fast food, drinking alcohol, working long hours, watching too much tv are all harmful but we are allowed to do all of these things.
 
2012-07-05 08:24:46 AM

LordJiro: Waldo Pepper: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Keizer_Ghidorah

tony41454: No one has a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution to get married. No one. You have the right to the "pursuit" of happiness, though it's no guarantee you'll find it. There are a lot of reasons people can't get married legally. Do we want a country where it's a "right" that someone can marry their sister? Men DON'T marry men. It against Mother nature.

Marriage itself is against Mother Nature. I don't see animals throwing weddings or signing contracts. There are plenty of species who have homosexual activities and relations, though, from great apes to fruit flies.

Technically, though, nothing that occurs is "unnatural". If it was unnatural, it wouldn't happen/exist in the first place. Like it or not, humans are animals and part of nature.

See my post above. If you want to be lumped with the lower order of creation, be my guest.

Sorry, Charlie, your God/creationist/"Humans are better because we think we're special" doesn't apply. Humans are simply one species among millions inhabiting this planet. We happened to evolve intelligence as our means of survival, and because of it we gained the ability to think abstractly (not unique, several other animals have shown that ability too) and to shape the materials around us to an amazing degree (also not unique, many animals and insects make and use tools and shape their world).

Animals are not "lesser" than us. Humans are not a magic "superior" species. We are as mortal as all other life, and far more frail than a majority of it. That air of arrogance is our biggest weakness, which causes things like bigotry, discrimination, and hate. If you really want to get down to it, humans are inferior to other animals because of it.

and this is where the slippery slope really gets extra slippery and steeper. If we are all just animals, why can't i marry my dog/cat/llama.

Because dogs/cats/llamas aren't the same species, and aren't able to give legal consent. B ...


wait now, legal consent is not a natural order of things. quite often a dog goes up and starts humping another dog and I don't recall any legal consent being obtained.

legal consent would be a man made order and not part of nature.
 
2012-07-05 08:33:07 AM
I must admit I find it funny that part of the homosexual "proof" that their behavior is natural is based on "well there is homosexual sex in animals." well there is also rape in the animal kingdom without remorse, murder of babies in the animal kingdom without remorse.

but I guess if one only sees man as an animal and not as the highest creation of God and made in his image than it understandable that they want to lowers us to that of a common animal.
 
2012-07-05 08:46:22 AM

Waldo Pepper: I must admit I find it funny that part of the homosexual "proof" that their behavior is natural is based on "well there is homosexual sex in animals." well there is also rape in the animal kingdom without remorse, murder of babies in the animal kingdom without remorse.


I must admit I find it well neigh hilarious that you think you've just made some kind of rational argument there.

Homosexuality is found consistently throughout nature.

Religious fanaticism is exclusively the domain of man.

Ergo you are the unnatural one in this picture. K?

but I guess if one only sees man as an animal and not as the highest creation of God and made in his image than it understandable that they want to lowers us to that of a common animal.

Get over yerself, God-boy. We *are* all just animals.

Just because humans have sentience and opposable thumbs doesn't change the fact.

You're one of those thumpers who think "man shall have dominion..." means something other than "stewardship"?

Amirite?
 
2012-07-05 08:49:47 AM
Why would polyamorous people want plural marriage when they could just incorporate? Sure, it doesn't help with pensions and such, but if you get 20 or 30 people together, you could make ceramics or silverware or something and form a neat little company, and everyone could screw everyone else.
 
2012-07-05 09:01:59 AM

quatchi: Waldo Pepper: I must admit I find it funny that part of the homosexual "proof" that their behavior is natural is based on "well there is homosexual sex in animals." well there is also rape in the animal kingdom without remorse, murder of babies in the animal kingdom without remorse.

I must admit I find it well neigh hilarious that you think you've just made some kind of rational argument there.

Homosexuality is found consistently throughout nature.

Religious fanaticism is exclusively the domain of man.

Ergo you are the unnatural one in this picture. K?

but I guess if one only sees man as an animal and not as the highest creation of God and made in his image than it understandable that they want to lowers us to that of a common animal.

Get over yerself, God-boy. We *are* all just animals.

Just because humans have sentience and opposable thumbs doesn't change the fact.

You're one of those thumpers who think "man shall have dominion..." means something other than "stewardship"?

Amirite?


i guess our having a soul means nothing to you.

the slippery slope is real and now that gay marriage is legal, the trip down the slope has gotten faster
 
2012-07-05 09:36:07 AM

Waldo Pepper: i guess our having a soul means nothing to you.


I like Soul food and Soul music and enjoyed David Soul's work on Starsky and Hutch, does that count?

the slippery slope is real and now that gay marriage is legal, the trip down the slope has gotten faster.

Moral evolution =/= A slippery slope to hell.

The sad thing here is, of course, that you try to justify your immorality by claiming it to be morality itself.

Protip: It's not.
 
2012-07-05 09:45:38 AM

quatchi: Waldo Pepper: i guess our having a soul means nothing to you.

I like Soul food and Soul music and enjoyed David Soul's work on Starsky and Hutch, does that count?

the slippery slope is real and now that gay marriage is legal, the trip down the slope has gotten faster.

Moral evolution =/= A slippery slope to hell.

The sad thing here is, of course, that you try to justify your immorality by claiming it to be morality itself.

Protip: It's not.


and you can prove its not?

you try to ignore the slippery slope as you don't want to face the fact that allowing a little sin paves way for bigger sins.

oh no this is not the same as gay marriage, nobody is really pushing for marriage between more than 2 people.

well a while back, not too many people were pushing for gay marriage and look what has happen.

when I was 13 if you had told me that it was allowable in the future for a 13yr to view see as much porn as he desires in the privacy of his own bedroom and our government allows it to happen without his parents knowing about it. I would have said no way.

now with the internet and the lax rules allowed by our government, it happens everyday. How is this a good thing?
 
2012-07-05 10:05:30 AM
Well, this thread is going derphill fast.
 
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