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2012-07-03 10:06:48 PM  
Subby skimmed.

FTFA:

Davis was convicted of participating in a string of armed robberies in the Miami area in 2010. His accomplices testified against him, saying he carried a gun during their crimes and discharged it at a dog that chased them after one of their burglaries. But Davis was not convicted of hurting anyone physically, including the dog.

My first offence, and they gave me all this time," said Davis, a pudgy African American with dreadlocks who spoke at the Federal Detention Centre in Miami. "Might just as well say I'm dead."

According to expert testimony at his trial, Davis suffers from a learning disability and bipolar disorder. . . At the time of his arrest, he says he was living on $US674 a month in Social Security disability payments

Davis, who still maintains his innocence, was the only one of the six men charged who went to trial. . . As the odd man out, Davis was convicted largely on the basis of his accomplices' testimony, court documents show.

Davis's unusually long sentence results from a controversial practice known as "stacking", in which each count of an indictment is counted as a separate crime, thus transforming a first-time defendant into a "habitual criminal" subject to multiple sentences and mandatory sentencing guidelines.


This is ridiculous.
 
2012-07-03 10:42:16 PM  
No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.
 
2012-07-03 10:45:13 PM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


He shot at a dog. Rope's like $20 at Walmart.

I wouldn't hang him, but I'd get him as far as the hood over the face on the gallows, then pull a Moist von Lipwig on his ass.

Incarcerations are silly.
 
2012-07-03 10:59:06 PM  

doglover: He shot at a dog. Rope's like $20 at Walmart.

Davis was convicted of seven counts of possessing a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence, an offence punishable under the so-called mandatory minimum sentences imposed by Congress since the late 1980s.


So, apparently it IS considered violent crime, and this makes more sense. He wasn't convicted of shooting the dog.

Really, no parole?
 
2012-07-03 11:01:51 PM  
Still excessive and mandatory minimums are still asinine. Stacking charges over a single criminal act is also asinine.

This guy was a classic farkup, but why tell an 18-yr-old who didn't actually hurt anyone that he's going to die in prison? That's farked up.
 
2012-07-03 11:41:04 PM  

kingoomieiii: doglover: He shot at a dog. Rope's like $20 at Walmart.

Davis was convicted of seven counts of possessing a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence, an offence punishable under the so-called mandatory minimum sentences imposed by Congress since the late 1980s.

So, apparently it IS considered violent crime, and this makes more sense. He wasn't convicted of shooting the dog.

Really, no parole?


Like I said, Moist von Lipwig. Everyone deserves one second chance. ONE.
 
2012-07-04 12:09:46 AM  
Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?
 
2012-07-04 12:16:43 AM  

Frederick: Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?


They should.
 
2012-07-04 12:33:07 AM  

Frederick: Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?


Hey, plundering riches, killing people's pets, and waving guns in the faces of the locals? He'd fit right in!

Ba-dum-
www.geekologie.com
 
2012-07-04 12:44:29 AM  
Meanwhile the pilot of the Jetblue pilot who went nuts and tried to kill everyone on the plane by crashing it got zero jail time because they got a doctor to say "at the time of the commission of the offense, the defendant appeared to suffer from a severe mental disease or defect that impaired his ability to appreciate the nature, quality, or wrongfulness of his behavior."

Dude, you need this doctor to get you a note saying the same thing. You'll get zero jail time.
 
2012-07-04 12:45:09 AM  
Pilot of the Jetblue PLANE.

/it's late.
 
2012-07-04 01:51:57 AM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one. Doesn't look like he's claiming innocence either, just pissed off because he got the book thrown at him.

Really, I don't like this kind of sentencing (except for pedophiles, and I'd rather see those executed), but seven armed robberies is serious shiat.
 
2012-07-04 01:55:02 AM  

Jesus McSordid: All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one.


This.
 
2012-07-04 02:10:06 AM  

Jesus McSordid: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one. Doesn't look like he's claiming innocence either, just pissed off because he got the book thrown at him.

Really, I don't like this kind of sentencing (except for pedophiles, and I'd rather see those executed), but seven armed robberies is serious shiat.


I just really don't think it's appropriate to tell a kid he's going to die in prison on his first jaunt through the court system, particularly when there aren't even any bodies.
 
2012-07-04 02:16:22 AM  

Frederick: Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?


I so agree.

He's 19. Put him in with some drill sergants and if he still screws up... prison.

He farked up to be sure but he's 19.
 
2012-07-04 02:27:41 AM  
The article was way too biased for me to finish.

The dude is an armed robber who discharged a firearm during one of his crimes - not violent my ass.

Sorry, no sympathy for him from me. And for all those complaining about the cost of incarceration I'm all in favor of lowering the cost of incarceration.

Build a wall, throw them in a pit and have a few armed guards make sure they never get out.
 
2012-07-04 02:38:01 AM  

Happy Hours: Build a wall, throw them in a pit and have a few armed guards make sure they never get out.


Put it on TV and sell advertising.
 
2012-07-04 05:12:13 AM  
Seven is a lot of armed robberies, but more than 20 years for each offense seems pretty draconian.
 
2012-07-04 05:17:00 AM  
Send him to the wall
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-04 05:19:27 AM  
Just going to post here since I'm sure there's 50 stuff in the queue and this is the latest thread:

http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs.html

Higgs Boson conference
 
2012-07-04 05:27:04 AM  
FTA: In one recent, highly controversial Florida sentencing, Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Jacksonville with no previous criminal record, was sentenced to 20 years for firing a pistol twice into the air while trying to ward off an attack by her abusive husband. Denied the protection of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, the 31-year-old mother of three was convicted of aggravated assault, a felony, and given the mandatory sentence for anyone who fires a gun in commission of the felony.


I hadn't actually heard this one before. What the HELL, Florida? how does that even deserve jail time, let alone 20 farking years?

I don't wanna go all race-card, but if a white woman with no criminal record fired a gun to scare off an abusive husband, there's no chance in hell she'd see the inside of a courtroom.
 
2012-07-04 05:28:08 AM  

doglover: Frederick: Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?

They should.


/Yes, because just what we need is a high school drop out with bipolar disorder and a history of violence holding a machine gun.
 
2012-07-04 05:30:21 AM  

Jesus McSordid: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one. Doesn't look like he's claiming innocence either, just pissed off because he got the book thrown at him.

Really, I don't like this kind of sentencing (except for pedophiles, and I'd rather see those executed), but seven armed robberies is serious shiat.


It happened in US federal court, so I would imagine it will be federal prison not state prison. Which means no conjugal or other type of visits. He will spend the sentence on the west part of the country so his family can't visit. That is what is really making it sink in for this guy. State prison would just suck real bad, but atleast family could drop by.
 
2012-07-04 05:31:36 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, because just what we need is a high school drop out with bipolar disorder and a history of violence holding a machine gun.


Any women or children or dogs?

Some times!

How do you shoot women or children or dogs?

Easy, you just don't lead 'em as much! HA HA HA HA HA!
 
2012-07-04 05:32:55 AM  
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time
 
2012-07-04 05:33:38 AM  
Parole Board chairman: They've got a name for people like you H.I. That name is called "recidivism."
Parole Board member: Repeat offender!
Parole Board chairman: Not a pretty name, is it H.I.?
H.I.: No, sir. That's one bonehead name, but that ain't me any more.
Parole Board chairman: You're not just telling us what we want to hear?
H.I.: No, sir, no way.
Parole Board member: 'Cause we just want to hear the truth.
H.I.: Well, then I guess I am telling you what you want to hear.
Parole Board chairman: Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?
H.I.: Yes, sir.
Parole Board chairman: Okay, then.

/surprised it this wasn't the Boobies
//the headline was just screaming for it
 
2012-07-04 05:35:37 AM  

bhcompy: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time


Eighteen year olds tend to fark up. It happens. This guy doesn't deserve life in prison, particularly when the only evidence he ever fired his gun is the testimony of other criminals offered in exchange for a plea bargain.
 
2012-07-04 06:29:53 AM  
You know there's a problem with your justice system when the minimum isn't decided by the man/women who's title is Judge. If we can't let these people use their judgement then what's their role other than debate moderator, because the rest can be done by an adding machine..Also what gain does the state see in pursuing a punishment that excessive. Did the boy fark up? yes. Should he be punished? Yes. Give him some time help him learn a trade in prison, get him some counceling if needed and give him a second chance at having a real life.
 
2012-07-04 06:30:48 AM  

Gunther: FTA: In one recent, highly controversial Florida sentencing, Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Jacksonville with no previous criminal record, was sentenced to 20 years for firing a pistol twice into the air while trying to ward off an attack by her abusive husband. Denied the protection of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, the 31-year-old mother of three was convicted of aggravated assault, a felony, and given the mandatory sentence for anyone who fires a gun in commission of the felony.


I hadn't actually heard this one before. What the HELL, Florida? how does that even deserve jail time, let alone 20 farking years?

I don't wanna go all race-card, but if a white woman with no criminal record fired a gun to scare off an abusive husband, there's no chance in hell she'd see the inside of a courtroom.


The article did not explain the circumstances very well. The woman and her husband got into a fight. She left. Once safe, she chose to return to the house with a gun to gather some things. In the process, she fired two warning shots into a wall. The police and prosecutors took a dim view of this because her two children were on the other side of the wall she shot at (they were not injured).

Ya, 20 years is pretty harsh though.
 
2012-07-04 06:44:27 AM  

gunga galunga: Parole Board chairman: They've got a name for people like you H.I. That name is called "recidivism."
Parole Board member: Repeat offender!
Parole Board chairman: Not a pretty name, is it H.I.?
H.I.: No, sir. That's one bonehead name, but that ain't me any more.
Parole Board chairman: You're not just telling us what we want to hear?
H.I.: No, sir, no way.
Parole Board member: 'Cause we just want to hear the truth.
H.I.: Well, then I guess I am telling you what you want to hear.
Parole Board chairman: Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?
H.I.: Yes, sir.
Parole Board chairman: Okay, then.

/surprised it this wasn't the Boobies
//the headline was just screaming for it


Pretty sure it was alluding to it.
 
2012-07-04 06:50:58 AM  
The sentence stacking is pretty asinine, but those saying that this is "just one mistake" are idiots. This is SEVEN ARMED ROBBERIES. That's not a bunch of kids having a good time on a Saturday night where things get out of hand. It's a colossal string of fark ups.

20 years in prison sounds about right. Not 162.
 
2012-07-04 06:59:49 AM  
He's a 7 time offender, first time convict. Not getting caught after the first offence doesn't mean it didn't happen
 
2012-07-04 07:01:17 AM  
Nonetheless, Davis's attorney will argue that Davis's sentence to die in prison also constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment" on the grounds that Davis is a "first offender," having never before been caught charged with a crime.

FTFY
 
2012-07-04 07:25:57 AM  
A string of 7 armed robberies is more than just bad judgement or short term failure in morality. But I don't see how locking him up for life is appropriate or useful. Either he learns his lesson after 5 to 10 or he doesn't, but he didn't manage to do anything that really justifies needing to remove him from society permanently. The only possible reason is deterrent, (which I disagree with, since it's not like anyone committing armed robbery fails to understand that they're farked if caught.) and I just don't think this case sends that message since the other 5 guys walked without even going to trial.
 
2012-07-04 07:31:03 AM  
Should have worn a suit and robbed banks. Then you get no jail time and you can keep the money.
 
2012-07-04 07:37:28 AM  
Quartavious??? Sounds like a name for a stupid ass punk who'd shoot at a dog. He got off easy.
 
2012-07-04 07:40:08 AM  
"seven armed robberies"

I guess I must be really tired this morning, because I TOTALLY mis-parsed that.

/put your hands up and step away from the gun
//ALL your hands
 
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2012-07-04 07:46:04 AM  

kingoomieiii: This wasn't even a violent crime.


great point, BUT....as wrong as this might be, they might be saving us from the POS. anyways, not my problem....enjoy prison life, you POS.
 
2012-07-04 07:56:13 AM  

Pinhedd: He's a 7 time offender, first time convict. Not getting caught after the first offence doesn't mean it didn't happen


Hey, stop talking sense. This is Fark!!!
 
2012-07-04 08:04:39 AM  
I am so so glad so many of you are volunteering to move him into your home.
 
2012-07-04 08:05:08 AM  
Sounds like he has shiat friends too.
 
2012-07-04 08:09:11 AM  
I'm not awake enough to actually do the research, but the article is a pretty biased piece of writing. It throws out the usual medical excuses plus the race card.

/still thinks he got screwed
//20-25 years sounds right
 
2012-07-04 08:12:42 AM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


Armed robbery is a violent crime, asshole. And this poor soul is worried about stacking? Where's all the bleeding heart "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE" liberals now? Oh noes, a black man who committed several crimes is committed of every single one, what an outrage!

If your argument was any dumber, we'd have to water it twice a week.
 
2012-07-04 08:18:31 AM  

Fade2black: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

Armed robbery is a violent crime, asshole. And this poor soul is worried about stacking? Where's all the bleeding heart "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE" liberals now? Oh noes, a black man who committed several crimes is committed of every single one, what an outrage!

If your argument was any dumber, we'd have to water it twice a week.


And where's all the "As a taxpayer...." or "MY tax dollars" talk the righties like to pull out in every discussion?
Oh, right. $100 to give a welfare mother some food stamps is "tranfer of wealth", and "theft" - but it's perfecttly fine to give some schlub who never harmed a hair on anyones head three hots and a cot for the rest of his life. At MY expense.
Right wing "logic".
 
2012-07-04 08:19:32 AM  
His whore mother should be arrested also for giving him that stupid name.
 
2012-07-04 08:34:05 AM  
The moral of the story being that if your going to commit crimes have enough dirt on other people that you can cut a deal and get others arrested and your sentenced reduced or possibly even get yourself into the federal witness protection program and never serve a day behind bars.

/knowledge is power!
 
2012-07-04 08:40:05 AM  
When he gets out of jail he should kick the a$$ of the guys that testified against him.
 
2012-07-04 08:45:58 AM  

dr_blasto: Still excessive and mandatory minimums are still asinine. Stacking charges over a single criminal act is also asinine.

This guy was a classic farkup, but why tell an 18-yr-old who didn't actually hurt anyone that he's going to die in prison? That's farked up.


Yes...but..he did commit the two most heinous sins in America society; 1) he's fat, 2) he's black.

Probably smoked marijuana on occassion too! Marijuana for Gods sake peoples!????????
 
2012-07-04 08:46:53 AM  
Meh. Pedos get less
 
2012-07-04 08:56:48 AM  

bhcompy: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time


This.

Florida has *very* strict laws about possessing guns while committing a crime, and every thug knows this.
 
2012-07-04 09:26:40 AM  
Did anybody catch that this kid is on disability for a learning disorder and bipolar? I'm taking this to be the polite way of saying he's either mentally retarded or borderline MR. 15 years sounds more appropriate to me, taking into account his age and the circumstances. However, this guy would need some kind of structure if he was released (e.g. a job paying a living wage), otherwise I'm betting the chance of him re-offending would be sky high. Would you hire a borderline MR high school dropout 7 time armed robber who'd been in prison for the last 15 years? Also, throwing him in with the general prison population sounds like a phenomenally bad idea.
 
2012-07-04 09:39:46 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com

Son, ya got a panty on your head
 
2012-07-04 09:54:59 AM  

Rufus Lee King: LiberalEastCoastElitist: Did anybody catch that this kid is on disability for a learning disorder and bipolar?

I see. So the seven armed robberies were "not his fault". Well, hell, let him out, then. I assume you will be inviting him over for dinner?


i18.photobucket.com

Boy - you sure did kick HIS ass.
 
2012-07-04 09:56:03 AM  
First offense? They should let him get away with crucifixion.

/162 years is a dawdle.
 
2012-07-04 09:57:24 AM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


First, it was a string of crimes. He ran around carrying a gun for three months on a crime spree. He used a gun to take what doesn't belong to him. How is that not violent? The use of the term 'stacking' in this story isn't relevant. This is not stacking. This is giving him additional time for the multiple crimes he committed over a period of time. Dipshiat got what he deserved. He was pulled off the streets in time - he didn't actually get to kill anyone. The system worked this time.
 
2012-07-04 09:58:47 AM  
I believe the moral of this story is, don't waste time on the small stuff and go for banks. Same result if you get caught. A lot more money if you don't.
 
2012-07-04 10:15:02 AM  
Did anyone RTFA? He exchanged gunfire with an armed citizen during one of the robberies. If he had been killed I don't think anyone would be shedding any tears and saying how rediculous it was that someone shot a first-time armed robber. Seven times he put the lives of others in serious jeopardy, fark him, he should be rotting in hell not jail.
 
2012-07-04 10:45:40 AM  
Well, of course there isn't any justice in our "Justice System"... That's why we call it a "system"...

And color me shocked that he might have been one of the smarter ones that wasn't talking to the cops (Can we have THAT discussion too?) and his buddies started singing to save their own asses... Of course there is NO honor among thieves, especially if you're brown and can't afford a lawyer...

162 years though? That's just being stupid, and it lets some idiot get re-elected because he's "tough on crime" and all that jazz...
 
2012-07-04 10:59:15 AM  

Gunther: FTA: In one recent, highly controversial Florida sentencing, Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Jacksonville with no previous criminal record, was sentenced to 20 years for firing a pistol twice into the air while trying to ward off an attack by her abusive husband. Denied the protection of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, the 31-year-old mother of three was convicted of aggravated assault, a felony, and given the mandatory sentence for anyone who fires a gun in commission of the felony.


I hadn't actually heard this one before. What the HELL, Florida? how does that even deserve jail time, let alone 20 farking years?

I don't wanna go all race-card, but if a white woman with no criminal record fired a gun to scare off an abusive husband, there's no chance in hell she'd see the inside of a courtroom.


I would have to see the surrounding circumstances, because that seems like a dick move on the the part of the prosecutor.
 
2012-07-04 11:00:08 AM  

Arcturus72: And color me shocked that he might have been one of the smarter ones that wasn't talking to the cops (Can we have THAT discussion too?) and his buddies started singing to save their own asses...


Actually, he was dumb not to talk to the cops/prosecutor and try to get a deal. I wouldn't be surprised that his disparate sentencing compared to his accomplices had to do with him pissing off the judge because he wouldn't talk.

As for the idea that one of these kids was the "bad" one with the gun, please. They are all rotten apples and they should all receive the same punishment, unless there is some kind of physical evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer of the kids making a deal told them to make up BS to paint the one keeping his mouth shut as the worst one of the group so his clients look like they're "cooperating". In every gang rape I hear about everyone was the one holding the woman down and none of them actually raped her. Yeah, ok.
 
2012-07-04 11:02:10 AM  

Gunther: bhcompy: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

Eighteen year olds tend to fark up. It happens. This guy doesn't deserve life in prison, particularly when the only evidence he ever fired his gun is the testimony of other criminals offered in exchange for a plea bargain.


he committed at least 7 armed robbers...that doesn't just 'happen'.
 
2012-07-04 11:12:20 AM  
As 'Law and Order' (DOINK/doink) as I am even I think this is a little excessive.

However being a chubby, bi-polar, high school drop-out who robs people and uses a gun in committing crimes is no way to go through life, son
 
2012-07-04 11:33:19 AM  
Well, on one (paranoid) hand; this looks a hell of a lot like a frame. All the other suspects agreeded to testify against this guy; for severely reduced sentences.

On the other hand; hang 'em, and hang 'em high.
 
2012-07-04 11:39:57 AM  
Quartavious ? His parents should be in jail for giving him that name. If he was born in Euorpe, would they have named him Literavious?
 
2012-07-04 11:46:56 AM  
I have a hard time feeling sympathetic to this crud. He commited 7 armed robberies and discharged a gun during one of them. I would call that violent. Absolute minimum I would want him off the streets for 25 years. Up to 70 years (10 years for each armed robbery) also seems reasonable. 162 seems high but I am not about to cry about it.
 
2012-07-04 12:06:00 PM  
www.findmall.com
 
2012-07-04 12:25:45 PM  
Hey guys, lets not be crazy here. It isn't life in prison, just 162 years. All he has to do is live to be 163.

I live in South Florida, a guy who commits 7 armed robberies shouldn't get a chance to commit 8. Just a matter of time until someone gets killed.
 
2012-07-04 12:52:38 PM  
I'm tired of hearing about this "free pass" bullshiat.

If everyone knows they get one free crime card, of course they'll us it.
 
2012-07-04 01:42:23 PM  
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Totally.
 
2012-07-04 02:06:59 PM  

kingoomieiii: Jesus McSordid: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one. Doesn't look like he's claiming innocence either, just pissed off because he got the book thrown at him.

Really, I don't like this kind of sentencing (except for pedophiles, and I'd rather see those executed), but seven armed robberies is serious shiat.

I just really don't think it's appropriate to tell a kid he's going to die in prison on his first jaunt through the court system, particularly when there aren't even any bodies.


Seven... Armed... Robberies...

The fact nobody died is luck.
 
2012-07-04 02:20:50 PM  

WhyKnot: Gunther: bhcompy: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

Eighteen year olds tend to fark up. It happens. This guy doesn't deserve life in prison, particularly when the only evidence he ever fired his gun is the testimony of other criminals offered in exchange for a plea bargain.

he committed at least 7 armed robbers...that doesn't just 'happen'.


I agree. This isn't some 21 year old kid getting a DUI after his birthday party, it's an 18 year old committing violent repeated crimes with a firearm, which is a very serious offense.
 
2012-07-04 02:25:10 PM  
Bernie Madoff got 150 years-just saying. This guy does sound like a total fark-up and disability at 20? Sentence is excessive, he just needed a better lawyer.
 
2012-07-04 02:45:31 PM  

Fade2black: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

Armed robbery is a violent crime, asshole. And this poor soul is worried about stacking? Where's all the bleeding heart "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE" liberals now? Oh noes, a black man who committed several crimes is committed of every single one, what an outrage!

If your argument was any dumber, we'd have to water it twice a week.


Hey, angry internet dweller, I already corrected myself. Take a nap.
 
2012-07-04 02:46:13 PM  

hbk72777: I'm tired of hearing about this "free pass" bullshiat.

If everyone knows they get one free crime card, of course they'll us it.


No one said free pass. Being able to get out of prison after 20 years is not a free pass.
 
2012-07-04 03:22:57 PM  

kingoomieiii: Jesus McSordid: kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.

All armed offences are violent crimes. Just ask anybody who has been subjected to one. Doesn't look like he's claiming innocence either, just pissed off because he got the book thrown at him.

Really, I don't like this kind of sentencing (except for pedophiles, and I'd rather see those executed), but seven armed robberies is serious shiat.

I just really don't think it's appropriate to tell a kid he's going to die in prison on his first jaunt through the court system, particularly when there aren't even any bodies.


There are enough people who aren't scumbags that it doesn't make much of a difference if we keep one loser locked away forever. There's no way he didn't know armed robbery was illegal. He already had 6 chances to say, "I'm not going to do this any more," and he decided to keep doing it anyway.

I'd have a different opinion if there were questions about his innocence, but in this case everybody (even the guy) seems to agree he's guilty.
 
2012-07-04 07:37:31 PM  

WhyKnot: Gunther: bhcompy: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

Eighteen year olds tend to fark up. It happens. This guy doesn't deserve life in prison, particularly when the only evidence he ever fired his gun is the testimony of other criminals offered in exchange for a plea bargain.

he committed at least 7 armed robbers...that doesn't just 'happen'.


I'm not saying you let him off with a slap on the wrist, but 5 to 10 sounds reasonable. His entire life behind bars without possibility of parole for something he did when he was 18 that didn't hurt anyone is absurd.
 
2012-07-04 10:46:02 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: Frederick: Seems like the perfect candidate for a military option in lieu of prison. Do judges still get to offer that?

I so agree.

He's 19. Put him in with some drill sergants and if he still screws up... prison.

He farked up to be sure but he's 19.


Way to fark up your armed services there. Would you like to serve with this douche?
 
2012-07-05 09:52:59 AM  
This man was seriously threatening to kill people and he did it for material gain. He did so repeatedly. He was an adult when he did this. The morality was such that any five-year old can tell you why his actions were. Life without parole is the only thing to do with this man provided that he really did what he is accused of. It should be for anyone who does such a thing.

Violence for personal gain is something that should never be tolerated. I would support life terms for anyone who engages in such behavior. If I had any say, his co-defendants should all be serving life terms as well.

If you want to rid the prison system of blacks that should be free, then free those who did nothing more than having possession of a minor amount of drugs on them but committed no violence. I would also grant the right to vote to those who have completed their sentences.

Being nice to a first offender is someone who did not commit a long series of crimes. It should be for someone who did a minor crime with no record of committing crimes in the past so we will give you a chance. And in any event, each armed robbery is a separate and independent offense.
 
2012-07-05 10:39:12 AM  
jaylectricity put it on TV. Pay-per-view gladiator fights. With losers usable organs donated. The revenue that would be generated would go for prisoner housing.
 
2012-07-05 12:59:57 PM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


He seems more of a candidate for rehab if the part about his disabilities is true. He likely doesn't have much of an education. Institutionalize him for a period and teach him a trade. Then give him some freedom to go to work (but he has to report back at night) and ease him off the leash. Definitely costs less than paying to keep the guy around for life.
 
2012-07-05 04:28:25 PM  

kingoomieiii: No, seriously, that's dumb as fark. The courts just sentenced the state to upwards of $4,000,000 in upkeep on a lifetime prisoner. NO PAROLE? The asshole didn't even kill anyone. This wasn't even a violent crime.


lol

So we should let the asshole run around sticking a gun in peoples faces, ignore the robberies, and wait for him to kill someone? *Then* we can lock him up.

This is exactly the kind of low-life thug we need prisons for. I've no sympathy for him. He got caught after seven armed robberies. Chances are, he's done a lot more than that, these are just the ones he got caught for.

dr_blasto: Stacking charges over a single criminal act is also asinine.


It wasn't a single criminal act. It was seven separate armed robberies.
 
2012-07-05 11:21:09 PM  
This will end up saving taxpayers money. He already was getting $674 a month in social security. That doesn't include food stamps, state health insurance, housing benefits, etc. The recidivism rate for armed robbery is something like 90% so this sentence will also save Florida the future costs of criminal investigations and prosecutions. He also will not have any children while he is incarcerated. Children of violent criminals are more likely to become criminals themselves and repeat the process. He would also be unlikely to provide for any children he had since he lives off welfare and likely would be incarcerated off and on again. This means the State would have had to step in and provide for his kids.You can also add in the fact that him being in there prevents him from traumatizing and hurting more people,
 
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