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peterthx		2012-07-04 09:07:31 PM

Raspil: something is wrong with you if you honestly believe this. the original was genius when i was a kid and seeing it again as an adult the Depp/Burton wank was just that, a wank. There was no soul or passion in it and the kids were totally absurd. the children ruined the remake, unlike the original. Gene Wilder is a sir.

Nope. It worked as a drug trip, but not as a kid's movie (I was 3 when I first saw it, back in 1971...scared the shiat out of me).

The SNL sketch did it best when they have Wonka interrupt the tunnel scene and say "Wait, this is a children's movie? Really?"

/not trolling either

Mega Steve		2012-07-04 09:39:51 PM

StoPPeRmobile: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 257x240]

Damn, Joan Severance was hot. I remember the scene where Gene holds her at bay by pretending his boner is a gun in his pocket

lohphat		2012-07-04 10:14:02 PM

Wilder was so concerned about portraying "mincing" and "fey" aspects to the clothing you'd have thought they'd cast Rock Hudson.

puckrock2000		2012-07-04 10:21:46 PM

Fun fact: though Willy Wonka is described in the book as being a little old man with a goatee, Wilder was only 38 and Depp was only 42 when they portrayed him.

/according to Wiki, Nic Cage and Jim Carrey were considered for the role
//(shudder)

MorePeasPlease		2012-07-04 10:31:18 PM

mikemoto: No offense to Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (who I both like), but this movie did NOT need to be remade.

peterthx: Yes it did. Saw the original when it came out: it was too trippy weird for us kids and it just plain sucks as an adult.

Gene Wilder's creepy Wonka luring in children with candy...

peterthx: Nope. It worked as a drug trip, but not as a kid's movie (I was 3 when I first saw it, back in 1971...scared the shiat out of me).

The SNL sketch did it best when they have Wonka interrupt the tunnel scene and say "Wait, this is a children's movie? Really?"

/not trolling either

Sorry to trump your O.G. "back in the day" card, but I too saw it when it came out, and was also three, and I loved it to this day.

Maybe you were just a pussy toddler?

/great time to be a kid
//polyester nightmares everywhere ... especially on us
///thanks 70's moms!

peterthx		2012-07-04 11:41:17 PM

MorePeasPlease: Sorry to trump your O.G. "back in the day" card, but I too saw it when it came out, and was also three, and I loved it to this day.

Maybe you were just a pussy toddler?

You probably also loved to eat paste and torture animals, tough guy.

/lookout, bad ass, etc.

FloydA		2012-07-05 12:46:21 AM

DeaH: FloydA: Ambivalence: mikemoto: No offense to Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (who I both like), but this movie did NOT need to be remade.

Agreed. You run a risk when you remake a brilliant classic that you will fall short compared to the original. Johnny Depp is an exceptional performer but the remake was subpar compared to the original.

I have to disagree. Don't get me wrong, the Wilder version is the better movie, but the Depp version was closer to the book. It's like comparing "Blade Runner" to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" Both are good, but they aren't the same.

Actually, I think the Depp version is a total perversion of the book. The book was about Charlie and the chocolate factory. Even though the first movie is called Willy Wonka, it's about Charlie. Gene Wilder plays plays Will as a sort of a chaos agent, a grownup who seems capricious and has secrets. This is how adults seem to children. Heck, it's how the people with power often seem to adults over whom they have power. Wilder's Willy is far more the Willy of the book.

Ironically, the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is far more about Willy and his perceptions of the world than it is about Charlie. The movie turns Willy into the central character. It becomes about a change in Willy. More disturbingly, it gives Will a strange dental back-story. This centrality of the adult character is a perversion of Dahl's story. Also, in the book, Willy does turn out to be a benevolent character. No one is really harmed. Willy just wanted to find the exact, right caretaker of his wondrous domain. In the movie, Willy-as-played-by-Depp actually kicks Charlie out of the factory, and Willy must under-go a huge psychic change before he comes to see the good of Charlie.

You know, that is the first time anyone has ever disagreed with me about a movie and made me thing "oh, yeah, I can see that- good point."

I still like both movies (for different reasons), and I disagree with you on some details, but you made me think. Thank you.

(Enjoy your free month.)

DeaH		2012-07-05 01:15:38 AM

FloydA: DeaH: FloydA: Ambivalence: mikemoto: No offense to Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (who I both like), but this movie did NOT need to be remade.

Agreed. You run a risk when you remake a brilliant classic that you will fall short compared to the original. Johnny Depp is an exceptional performer but the remake was subpar compared to the original.

I have to disagree. Don't get me wrong, the Wilder version is the better movie, but the Depp version was closer to the book. It's like comparing "Blade Runner" to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" Both are good, but they aren't the same.

Actually, I think the Depp version is a total perversion of the book. The book was about Charlie and the chocolate factory. Even though the first movie is called Willy Wonka, it's about Charlie. Gene Wilder plays plays Will as a sort of a chaos agent, a grownup who seems capricious and has secrets. This is how adults seem to children. Heck, it's how the people with power often seem to adults over whom they have power. Wilder's Willy is far more the Willy of the book.

Ironically, the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is far more about Willy and his perceptions of the world than it is about Charlie. The movie turns Willy into the central character. It becomes about a change in Willy. More disturbingly, it gives Will a strange dental back-story. This centrality of the adult character is a perversion of Dahl's story. Also, in the book, Willy does turn out to be a benevolent character. No one is really harmed. Willy just wanted to find the exact, right caretaker of his wondrous domain. In the movie, Willy-as-played-by-Depp actually kicks Charlie out of the factory, and Willy must under-go a huge psychic change before he comes to see the good of Charlie.

You know, that is the first time anyone has ever disagreed with me about a movie and made me thing "oh, yeah, I can see that- good point."

I still like both movies (for different reasons), and I disagree with you on some details, bu ...

Thank you! I have never had Total Fark before. Much appreciated.

kayoteq		2012-07-05 01:46:48 AM

Here in 1954 we find the film what messed with Gene. And all sentient humans.

lohphat		2012-07-05 02:05:18 AM

kayoteq: [i1052.photobucket.com image 300x428]

Here in 1954 we find the film what messed with Gene. And all sentient humans.

I LOVE that film.

Hans Conried FTW.

Alphax		2012-07-05 02:51:03 AM

bhcompy: lohphat: How many songs can anyone hum (let alone remember) from the Depp version?

Well, they're easy to rememeber. It's Danny Elfman. Kind of a one trick pony. Think of a bombastic synth song and there you go.

I liked the electric guitars on the Mike TV song.

SPLAMM		2012-07-05 02:57:32 AM

Harry_Seldon: These were pretty good.

[theimaginaryworld.com image 478x208]

//my lawn, get off.

I almost posted this exact thing in the candy thread a couple days ago. They started making Oompas again but they are not the same and not as good. The are now peanut butter balls covered in chocolate and candy shell. Something about the previous 50-50 of those ingredients made them magical.

buckler		2012-07-05 03:31:53 AM

kayoteq: [i1052.photobucket.com image 300x428]

Here in 1954 we find the film what messed with Gene. And all sentient humans.

Damn, but that was a great thing. I remember it baffling me as a kid, in a good way. I need to see it again.

Corporate Self		2012-07-05 08:34:20 AM

Willder's Wonka comes off as eccentric, but lovable.

Depp's is more of a creepy sociopath..

lohphat		2012-07-05 09:05:25 AM

Corporate Self: Willder's Wonka comes off as eccentric, but lovable.

Depp's is more of a creepy sociopath..

He reminded me of Michael Jackson.

brigid_fitch		2012-07-05 09:16:00 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: brigid_fitch: Willy Wonka was superbly done, even if it strayed from the book.

It strayed to the point Dahl hated it with a passion.

And Stephen King hates Kubrick's The Shining with the intensity of a thousand suns. Doesn't make it a bad movie.

karnal		2012-07-05 09:16:07 AM

lohphat

Corporate Self: Willder's Wonka comes off as eccentric, but lovable.

Depp's is more of a creepy sociopath..

He reminded me of Michael Jackson.

In some interview I saw, Depp said he played Wonka as a really stoned George Bush.

peterthx		2012-07-05 11:30:04 AM

Corporate Self: Willder's Wonka comes off as eccentric, creepy sociopath.

Fixed

Optimal_Illusion		2012-07-05 02:01:04 PM

omeganuepsilon: I just realized most everyone in this thread sounds like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.

Would you rather they sound like Jason Bateman in Valerie's Family?

The Flexecutioner		2012-07-05 02:38:03 PM

Optimal_Illusion: omeganuepsilon: I just realized most everyone in this thread sounds like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.

Would you rather they sound like Jason Bateman in Valerie's Family?

id rather they look like justine bateman in the 80's (but certainly not now, eccch.)

HAMMERTOE		2012-07-05 04:01:47 PM

LonMead: "I don't think we're going to make it past the cops."
"We'll make it past the cops. I just hope we don't see no Muslims."

Damn, I loved that movie!

PAY THE MAN!

Shake it but don't break it!

Son of a biatch!!!

stewbert		2012-07-05 06:28:16 PM

I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy? Stir Crazy was Prior, I haven't seen it in years, but it was Richard that made it for me.

Never watched the remake. No interest.

John Buck 41		2012-07-05 06:52:53 PM

stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy?

Ever heard of a Mel Brooks production called Young Frankenstein? It's fairly obscure; not well-known at all.

NateAsbestos		2012-07-05 07:08:45 PM

John Buck 41: stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy?

Ever heard of a Mel Brooks production called Young Frankenstein? It's fairly obscure; not well-known at all.

Or Blazing Saddles

t3knomanser		2012-07-05 07:10:16 PM

John Buck 41: Ever heard of a Mel Brooks production called Young Frankenstein? It's fairly obscure; not well-known at all.

There was also that small-time affair that nobody saw called Blazing Saddles. It's a surprisingly quotable movie, but I've never seen anybody quote it on Fark.

//Silver Streak is fun, too.

bhcompy		2012-07-05 07:13:07 PM

omeganuepsilon		2012-07-05 08:03:25 PM

stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now.

You make it sound like the fark collective treats Gene Wilder like Justin Bieber on a regular basis, which it never has.

If that ever happens, I want off this planet.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener		2012-07-05 10:08:40 PM

John Buck 41: www.newsgroper.com

:D

*high-five*

BroVinny		2012-07-05 10:20:05 PM

brigid_fitch: And Stephen King hates Kubrick's The Shining with the intensity of a thousand suns.

This is overstating the case. In his Danse Macabre, King makes a list of favorite books and movies in the genre, putting an asterisk by the ones he was particularly impressed with. Kubrick's The Shining got an asterisk.

What I gather from King is that Kubrick's film is a great movie, but it gets King's story wrong.

John Buck 41		2012-07-05 10:34:30 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: www.newsgroper.com

:D

*high-five*

Doooooood.....

saturn badger		2012-07-06 12:12:08 AM

RatMaster999: I want to see the horror version of it.

Seriously though, the boat ride scared the shiat out of me as a kid...

Scared my kids as well. It is kinda creepy. Loved it.

saturn badger		2012-07-06 12:35:57 AM

lohphat: kayoteq: [i1052.photobucket.com image 300x428]

Here in 1954 we find the film what messed with Gene. And all sentient humans.

I LOVE that film.

Hans Conried FTW.

Agreed. The dance/fight scene is awesome.

You look familiar.
I should, mother.

Allow me to add Labyrinth.

/have WW, Dr. T and Labyrinth on DVD as well as many other classics

saturn badger		2012-07-06 12:39:33 AM

bhcompy: John Buck 41: stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy?

Ever heard of a Mel Brooks production called Young Frankenstein? It's fairly obscure; not well-known at all.

Which may actually be the best comedy of all time.

I saw the stage production of it. Most excellent. Igor stole the show.

The Putting on the Ritz scene was amazing.

Fano		2012-07-06 10:36:39 AM

peterthx: mikemoto: No offense to Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (who I both like), but this movie did NOT need to be remade.

Yes it did. Saw the original when it came out: it was too trippy weird for us kids and it just plain sucks as an adult.

Gene Wilder's creepy Wonka luring in children with candy...

Compared to stunted manchild Depp as Wonka, acting for all the world like an extra molestery version of Michael Jackson.

Fano		2012-07-06 10:37:25 AM

stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy? Stir Crazy was Prior, I haven't seen it in years, but it was Richard that made it for me.

Never watched the remake. No interest.

Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles, you dolt

gunga galunga		2012-07-06 10:53:43 AM

stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now.

What do you mean "now"? Was there a time when Fark didn't love Gene Wilder?

Fano: Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles, you dolt

Also The Producers. And the very underrated Start the Revolution Without Me. And who can forget his bit in Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex.?The last shot of him in the movie still haunts me.

Porous Horace		2012-07-06 10:58:04 AM

Wilder and Mostel: The Producers, Rhinoceros.

"You're seeking approval from a woman who's feeding lox to a cat."

Pandora's Litterbox		2012-07-06 11:17:37 AM

gunga galunga: stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now.

What do you mean "now"? Was there a time when Fark didn't love Gene Wilder?

Fano: Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles, you dolt

Also The Producers. And the very underrated Start the Revolution Without Me. And who can forget his bit in Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex.?The last shot of him in the movie still haunts me.

Not to mention his bit part in "Bonnie and Clyde"

stewbert		2012-07-06 11:39:09 AM

Fano: stewbert: I guess now we love Gene Wilder on Fark now. I hated the Willy Wonka movie, but I'll readily admit Wilder was great. However, what else did he do that was noteworthy? Stir Crazy was Prior, I haven't seen it in years, but it was Richard that made it for me.

Never watched the remake. No interest.

Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles, you dolt

I loved Blazing Saddles, but not Wilder in particular.

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