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(WSMV Nashville)   Mother of the Year candidate leaves 19 children living alone in a sweltering house... for a week   (wsmv.com) divider line 43
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2012-07-03 10:00:03 PM  
6 votes:
So when Sheriff Joe Arpaio leaves innocent people* to sweat, it's okay. But when this lady does it, 19 felonies?

* Tent City is a jail, where you go before trial. We are innocent until proven guilty, in theory.
2012-07-04 01:14:12 AM  
3 votes:
It seems some of the kids are hers, some are her boyfriend's, and possibly some are " theirs." The 21 of them were living in a 3 bedroom home with nine dogs and a cat.

There's just no way that could be pretty. Or healthy.
2012-07-04 12:30:08 AM  
3 votes:
"When deputies arrived, they found 19 children ranging from 8 months to 14 years old with no supervision, no working air conditioning or food."

I am absolutely not defending her, nor am I saying this is right, but since when is A/C considered absolutely necessary to survival? Water to drink, shade, maybe a basement or pool/pond/river/creek/shower, etc, sure, but A/C?

Go back probably 10-20 years, and it wasn't exactly standard for most Americans, even. I certainly didn't grow up with it, although I acknowledge in NY it wasn't really necessary most summers. Even then, I doubt the majority of southerners had it till recent years.
2012-07-04 03:24:12 AM  
2 votes:
So much amusement in this thread from people who don't think A/C is necessary. I suppose it isn't if the hottest temperature you've ever witnessed in your town is 85 whopping degrees or if "96 degrees = OMG! 100-Year RECORD TEMP!"

Try a few weeks of non-stop 110+/- degrees with 85% humidity and see if the corpses of old people and small children don't start stacking up. Read a few stories about kids baking to death in a car while Mom was in Walmart. Such weather conditions are not unusual for certain parts of the southern US. A/C is not a comfort issue in such places. It's a healthy/safety issue.

On the bright side, those in the southern US states are wearing shorts and barbecueing on the patio on New Year's Day while the rest of the northern staters are up to their asses in snow.

/My thermometer tells me it's currently 85 degrees in my house, and I'm perfectly comfortable right now. Should it drop to 70, I will be bringing out the sweaters.
2012-07-04 03:14:38 AM  
2 votes:

The Flexecutioner: also, FTA: Authorities said Farah is the biological mother of some of the children involved and had asked neighbors to check on the children while she left.

it helps to read the whole thing once in a while.


I read that... I'm still baffled. Say she's the biomom of, like, 6. That'd mean parents gave her 13 other kids. That'd also mean there'd be a point where another parent sees her with, like, 16 kids already and said "hey can you take my three kids too?"

WTF is going on here? Some sort of illegal day care? Well, not day care, it's not by-day. It'd be boarding. Which, well, come on, would someone that irresponsible have any money to pay this child-hoarder for boarding them? I don't get it.
2012-07-04 12:41:57 AM  
2 votes:
also, FTA: Authorities said Farah is the biological mother of some of the children involved and had asked neighbors to check on the children while she left.

it helps to read the whole thing once in a while.
2012-07-04 12:38:03 AM  
2 votes:
Story says the woman is not the bio mom of all the kids, but it fails to mention how many were her's and who the parents of the others are.
2012-07-04 12:33:17 AM  
2 votes:
If the kids were too dumb to open a window or go outside, maybe they deserved to die?
2012-07-03 11:17:18 PM  
2 votes:

Spoon over Marin: OOH. Temps in excess of 90 degrees....

Have we as a nation really become such pansy asses?


Having kids in 90-degree weather isn't child abuse.

When combined with a week of zero supervision (and zero parental support), it adds to what is already INHUMAN CHILD ABUSE.
2012-07-03 10:07:38 PM  
2 votes:
OOH. Temps in excess of 90 degrees....

Have we as a nation really become such pansy asses?
2012-07-03 10:06:13 PM  
2 votes:

Gig103: So when Sheriff Joe Arpaio leaves innocent people* to sweat, it's okay. But when this lady does it, 19 felonies?

* Tent City is a jail, where you go before trial. We are innocent until proven guilty, in theory.


I've yet to hear a single story about Joe Arpaio abandoning 19 children, aged 8 farking months to 14 years old with no AC or food. Plus, for the Farkers: There were animals involved.
2012-07-03 09:21:49 PM  
2 votes:
With all those kids she needed some alone time and a few drinks, who can blame her?
Hopefully she wasn't out getting knocked up again.
2012-07-04 10:29:21 AM  
1 votes:

catmandu: "When deputies arrived, they found 19 children ranging from 8 months to 14 years old with no supervision, no working air conditioning or food."


But 14 is old enough to babysit. It's not the mother's fault, it's the sitter's fault.


14 is old enough to sit for a couple of kids for the day. It's not old enough to parent 18 other kids long term, including babbies.

Someone mentioned this article upthread. It has many more details.

According to this, 13 of the kids were some combination of his, hers, and theirs, and the rest were "cousins" living with them for the summer. Three bedroom house with not nearly enough beds, so they were hot-racking it. And mom and dad leaving was not at all unusual.
2012-07-04 09:18:26 AM  
1 votes:

erik-k: Mandatory sterilization.

Yes it's too late to prevent it from happening in the first place, but we can at least keep it from getting any worse.


eugenics is the answer. a good gardener always pulls the weeds.
2012-07-04 06:24:52 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Ambivalence: cmb53208: Grew up in the South, and as far back as I can remember (1976) we had air conditioning. And up here in Wisconsin, the AC unit in my apartment dates back to at least the Nixon administration. Most people I talked with up here had window AC in a couple of rooms rather than central, but AC nonetheless

I grea up in Alaska. We NEVER had air conditioning. Alaskans must be poor rednecks.

That; or live in a godless frozen wasteland. I'm surprised Alaskans don't talk about the dovahkiin coming to save their frozen home.

/ I keed, I keed


I was going to install a window AC unit, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
2012-07-04 03:35:24 AM  
1 votes:
dirkmateer.com

What IS it with you kids?

Every other day, it's food, food, food!!
2012-07-04 02:50:03 AM  
1 votes:

cmb53208: elguerodiablo:

When I lived in Army housing on Oahu that shiat was concrete bunkers with no air conditioning. Can i call social services on the Army? I wasn't even enlisted I was just watching my sisters kids while they sent her all over the place.

Surely you could've gone to the PX and gotten a window unit?


I couldn't shop at the PX because I wasnt enlisted. Nobody on our base had A/C that I remember so I think it was not allowed for some reason. The other base where our friends did tho so we spent a lot of time over there. We also spent a ton of time at the sweet Army beaches which I was allowed to go to and were nicer and 100x less crowded than Waikiki.
2012-07-04 02:27:47 AM  
1 votes:
Not having an air conditioner is child abuse now?

Is it any wonder America is going down the drain?
2012-07-04 02:20:40 AM  
1 votes:

Spoon over Marin: OOH. Temps in excess of 90 degrees....

Have we as a nation really become such pansy asses?


Did you miss the part where there was no food in the house for the children?

The older children might be able to tolerate a few days without food, but one of the children was 8-months old.
2012-07-04 02:00:13 AM  
1 votes:

cmb53208: ladyfortuna: Fine, add another decade to my estimate, but how many of you who had it growing up in the south were also above the poverty line? I did say 'the majority'; while I am mostly going off pop culture references, as far as I know there was still plenty of poverty in the south at least till the 70s.

It still isn't 'necessary' for survival, even for children...

I was at times barely above the poverty line, and we always had air conditioning: see after about I'd say 1965, housing down South came with AC whether you wanted it or not; either a central unit, through-the-wall, or window unit. Some of the poorest families I knew down there had AC simply because to live in South Carolina without AC was like living in the U.P. of Michigan without heat.

As far as AC being necessary for survival, it got up to 100 degrees today in Madison, WI. And it'll be like that for the next couple of days. I'm not normally one for coddling children, but anyone that thinks such temps are safe for kids (and make no mistake, the summers in some parts of the north can be just as bad) is fooling themselves


It's safe IF the kids have water and food and are allowed to go outside, open the windows, etc. It sounds like these kids had been threatened by mommy not to go out of the house till she got back.

And while the older kids would be okay even in an enclosed house for a while, the babies would not.
2012-07-04 01:58:02 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: Dragons would have made salmon fishing a lot more interesting, I will grant you that. And I did know a lady who, when she shouted at you....well...let's just say her Thu'um was very strong.


FUS SNOW DAH.
2012-07-04 01:54:25 AM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: Fine, add another decade to my estimate, but how many of you who had it growing up in the south were also above the poverty line? I did say 'the majority'; while I am mostly going off pop culture references, as far as I know there was still plenty of poverty in the south at least till the 70s.

It still isn't 'necessary' for survival, even for children...


I was at times barely above the poverty line, and we always had air conditioning: see after about I'd say 1965, housing down South came with AC whether you wanted it or not; either a central unit, through-the-wall, or window unit. Some of the poorest families I knew down there had AC simply because to live in South Carolina without AC was like living in the U.P. of Michigan without heat.

As far as AC being necessary for survival, it got up to 100 degrees today in Madison, WI. And it'll be like that for the next couple of days. I'm not normally one for coddling children, but anyone that thinks such temps are safe for kids (and make no mistake, the summers in some parts of the north can be just as bad) is fooling themselves
2012-07-04 01:45:28 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Ambivalence: cmb53208: Grew up in the South, and as far back as I can remember (1976) we had air conditioning. And up here in Wisconsin, the AC unit in my apartment dates back to at least the Nixon administration. Most people I talked with up here had window AC in a couple of rooms rather than central, but AC nonetheless

I grea up in Alaska. We NEVER had air conditioning. Alaskans must be poor rednecks.

That; or live in a godless frozen wasteland. I'm surprised Alaskans don't talk about the dovahkiin coming to save their frozen home.

/ I keed, I keed


Dragons would have made salmon fishing a lot more interesting, I will grant you that. And I did know a lady who, when she shouted at you....well...let's just say her Thu'um was very strong.
2012-07-04 01:43:30 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: cmb53208: Grew up in the South, and as far back as I can remember (1976) we had air conditioning. And up here in Wisconsin, the AC unit in my apartment dates back to at least the Nixon administration. Most people I talked with up here had window AC in a couple of rooms rather than central, but AC nonetheless

I grea up in Alaska. We NEVER had air conditioning. Alaskans must be poor rednecks.


That; or live in a godless frozen wasteland. I'm surprised Alaskans don't talk about the dovahkiin coming to save their frozen home.

/ I keed, I keed
2012-07-04 01:40:48 AM  
1 votes:

shotglasss: Gig103: So when Sheriff Joe Arpaio leaves innocent people* to sweat, it's okay. But when this lady does it, 19 felonies?

* Tent City is a jail, where you go before trial. We are innocent until proven guilty, in theory.

You also go to jail to serve your sentence after you have been tried and convicted.


No you don't. You go to jail to wait for your arraignment, to wait for an attorney, or if you can't post bond before trial.

There are lots of people in JAIL who have yet to have a day in court.

You are thinking of PRISON, which is different, run by the state, and where they are not allowed to keep people in tents in the middle of the Arizona desert.
2012-07-04 01:37:08 AM  
1 votes:
Fine, add another decade to my estimate, but how many of you who had it growing up in the south were also above the poverty line? I did say 'the majority'; while I am mostly going off pop culture references, as far as I know there was still plenty of poverty in the south at least till the 70s.

It still isn't 'necessary' for survival, even for children...
2012-07-04 01:20:18 AM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: "When deputies arrived, they found 19 children ranging from 8 months to 14 years old with no supervision, no working air conditioning or food."

I am absolutely not defending her, nor am I saying this is right, but since when is A/C considered absolutely necessary to survival? Water to drink, shade, maybe a basement or pool/pond/river/creek/shower, etc, sure, but A/C?

Go back probably 10-20 years, and it wasn't exactly standard for most Americans, even. I certainly didn't grow up with it, although I acknowledge in NY it wasn't really necessary most summers. Even then, I doubt the majority of southerners had it till recent years.


You doubt that the majority of Southerners had AC until recent years? What farking century/decade do you live in? Is it your assumption that we wear straw hats, f*ck cousins and run around barefoot as well?

I'm from Tennessee and 37 years old and I can not think of one instance of not having AC. I can't remember going anywhere that DIDN'T have AC accept maybe the most rural parts of the south and those places had fans.
2012-07-04 12:56:29 AM  
1 votes:
I think 19 'children' can take care of themselves...
2012-07-04 12:42:52 AM  
1 votes:
Just from the headline, I thought maybe Michelle Duggar finally cracked.
2012-07-04 12:42:22 AM  
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: If the kids were too dumb to open a window or go outside, maybe they deserved to die?


If that 8 month old can't open a window it DESERVES to die! BWAHAHAHAHA!
2012-07-04 12:40:58 AM  
1 votes:

The Flexecutioner: ladyfortuna:
somehow you jumped to the conclusion that it is. it's just a detail in the write-up. combined with 90 degree weather it just adds to the neglect charges.


It was emphasized enough to be a detail in the write-up. I don't consider that jumping to a conclusion. It's not like I used a mat, or something...
2012-07-04 12:38:55 AM  
1 votes:
Sounds like Michelle Duggar has finally snapped. Good for her.
2012-07-04 12:38:32 AM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: "When deputies arrived, they found 19 children ranging from 8 months to 14 years old with no supervision, no working air conditioning or food."

I am absolutely not defending her, nor am I saying this is right, but since when is A/C considered absolutely necessary to survival? Water to drink, shade, maybe a basement or pool/pond/river/creek/shower, etc, sure, but A/C?

Go back probably 10-20 years, and it wasn't exactly standard for most Americans, even. I certainly didn't grow up with it, although I acknowledge in NY it wasn't really necessary most summers. Even then, I doubt the majority of southerners had it till recent years.


somehow you jumped to the conclusion that it is. it's just a detail in the write-up. combined with 90 degree weather it just adds to the neglect charges. this was all over our local news tonight, something the article forgot was that she was contacted while returning from Chicago and it was mentioned she was out of town for a "family emergency". Im guessing ill get more details tomorrow.

/and the next day
//and the next
///we'll beat this horse to death all week
2012-07-04 12:37:08 AM  
1 votes:

erik-k: Mandatory sterilization.


For the entire state of Kentucky.

/sorry Drew
2012-07-04 12:36:02 AM  
1 votes:

PastryChef: shotglasss: Gig103: So when Sheriff Joe Arpaio leaves innocent people* to sweat, it's okay. But when this lady does it, 19 felonies?

* Tent City is a jail, where you go before trial. We are innocent until proven guilty, in theory.

You also go to jail to serve your sentence after you have been tried and convicted.
No, then you go to prison, or the penitentiary. Jail (gaol for those across the Pond) is the holding pen for persons awaiting trial and judgement.


Usually prison is reserved for people serving a sentence of a year or more. Not sure about how they do it in Arizona but that's usually the case in most places.
2012-07-04 12:35:39 AM  
1 votes:
I don't know where you all are getting this 90 from because it's been a hell of a lot hotter where this happened during the past week.

Bowling Green, KY

Thursday: 103.1
Friday: 106.3
Saturday: 105.0
Sunday: 102.8
Monday: 99.1
2012-07-04 12:32:37 AM  
1 votes:

shotglasss: Gig103: So when Sheriff Joe Arpaio leaves innocent people* to sweat, it's okay. But when this lady does it, 19 felonies?

* Tent City is a jail, where you go before trial. We are innocent until proven guilty, in theory.

You also go to jail to serve your sentence after you have been tried and convicted.

No, then you go to prison, or the penitentiary. Jail (gaol for those across the Pond) is the holding pen for persons awaiting trial and judgement.
2012-07-04 12:28:41 AM  
1 votes:
Mandatory sterilization.

Yes it's too late to prevent it from happening in the first place, but we can at least keep it from getting any worse.
2012-07-04 12:27:15 AM  
1 votes:

TheDumbBlonde: I've yet to hear a single story about Joe Arpaio abandoning 19 children, aged 8 farking months to 14 years old with no AC or food.


If they are innocent until proven guilty, what the F*ck does their age matter?
2012-07-04 12:26:10 AM  
1 votes:
Was it octomom? She's got about 20 kids.

/ 32? Either someone has been knocked up constantly since 13 or there's some twins in there!
2012-07-04 12:24:36 AM  
1 votes:
She obviously landed on all the right squares in The Game of Life.
2012-07-03 09:43:56 PM  
1 votes:
19 children with no supervision? I have to ask. Where were the Social workers from the Department for Health and Family Services (besides her behavior)? No flags with her?

19 children.. very sad
2012-07-03 09:29:59 PM  
1 votes:
It's like a modern day Boxcar Children!
 
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