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2012-07-03 08:28:57 PM  
FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!
 
2012-07-03 08:38:11 PM  
cleansingfiredor.com
 
2012-07-03 08:38:24 PM  
USA! USA! US....oh, wait
 
2012-07-03 08:38:33 PM  
images.sodahead.com

/lets get this out of the way.
 
2012-07-03 08:39:43 PM  
Finally they can all just be themselves.
 
2012-07-03 08:39:47 PM  
SOME gay people are ostentatious, but most are hard-working, normal people like the rest of us.

It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.
 
2012-07-03 08:40:13 PM  
Preperation H stock skyrockets.
 
2012-07-03 08:40:22 PM  
You mean they prohibited everyone in france before today? Geeze, talk about a self-hating jew.
 
2012-07-03 08:40:25 PM  
Awesome!
 
2012-07-03 08:40:28 PM  
The United States should do the same
 
2012-07-03 08:41:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SOME gay people are ostentatious, but most are hard-working, normal people like the rest of us.

It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.


Shut the fark up. Seriously. Go clean the sand out of your pussy.
 
2012-07-03 08:41:21 PM  
I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-03 08:42:23 PM  

make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!


This was the first thing I thought. I just assumed it was already legal in France.
 
2012-07-03 08:42:58 PM  
so jean shorts are in??
 
2012-07-03 08:43:08 PM  
C'est magnifique.
 
2012-07-03 08:43:12 PM  
Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!
 
2012-07-03 08:44:23 PM  
France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

/Weirdly, under the Code Napoleon, France has allowed gay adoption/partnership for years. Basically, any man could adopt anyone he wanted at any age (like the Romans used to do) so it was not uncommon for a gay man to adopt his lover, which then gave both men all the rights of family.
 
2012-07-03 08:45:21 PM  
So more boycotting of France by people who can't find it on a map to follow?
 
2012-07-03 08:45:21 PM  
Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?
 
2012-07-03 08:45:52 PM  
Congratulations, France.
 
2012-07-03 08:46:19 PM  
MANIFIQUE!
 
2012-07-03 08:46:31 PM  

rocketpants: make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!

This was the first thing I thought. I just assumed it was already legal in France.


They had civil unions before, enjoyed nearly all the rights of married couples, except for adoption, and maybe one or two other things. Straight couples also have access to the civil union thing, for whatever reason.
 
2012-07-03 08:46:51 PM  
Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!
 
2012-07-03 08:46:52 PM  
Such a great victory for marriage equality. And I agree with Dwight_Yeast.. The US is still on the wrong side of progress.. but it's changing. step by step, inch by inch.. it's changing.

/not gay
//sex pos
///equality for all! :D
 
2012-07-03 08:47:52 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


So sad, but so true.
 
2012-07-03 08:47:53 PM  
You can't adopt in France?
If you are unwanted there, you shall remain unwanted
 
2012-07-03 08:48:09 PM  
Freedom Fries to make a 10-year anniversary comeback!
 
2012-07-03 08:48:12 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


Don't fight it. Let the scales fall from your eyes. If you've just now realized that what you have been taught about America isn't necessarily true, you're on your way to being a true World Citizen.
 
2012-07-03 08:48:28 PM  
Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?
 
2012-07-03 08:48:38 PM  
Vive la justice!
Vive l'egalite!
Vive le France!

C'est bon! ^__^
 
2012-07-03 08:49:08 PM  
This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.
 
2012-07-03 08:49:09 PM  

rocketpants: make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!

This was the first thing I thought. I just assumed it was already legal in France.


Same here. I thought they were all progressive and shiat.
 
2012-07-03 08:50:10 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


We are. If you're talking about prison populations and healthcare costs, that is.
 
2012-07-03 08:50:45 PM  

rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.


There was this little conflagration that was kind of keeping people busy. Maybe you've heard of it?

WORLD WAR II
 
2012-07-03 08:50:50 PM  
i2.listal.com

Approves
 
2012-07-03 08:50:58 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


free to have butt plug

chronicle.com
 
2012-07-03 08:50:58 PM  
Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!
 
2012-07-03 08:51:03 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.


Hell, Ireland's got it planned. Mother farking more Catholic than the Pope Ireland will have same sex marriage before we do.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:13 PM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


Catholic priests still can't marry them.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:14 PM  

KellyX: Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!


Wut? The movie showed him being born in space.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:23 PM  
Oh and plus one for the headline.

First one today that made me *snert* aloud.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:24 PM  

make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!


Much better headline.

/France Surrenders surrendered a long time ago.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:42 PM  

silgryphon: The United States should do the same


We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:43 PM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


since when do pedophiles of any sort care about marriage or the law?
 
2012-07-03 08:52:36 PM  

wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!


The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general
 
2012-07-03 08:53:08 PM  

coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!


I'm gonna go outside the box and say Japan. What're the odds there?
 
2012-07-03 08:53:10 PM  

LectertheChef: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Hell, Ireland's got it planned. Mother farking more Catholic than the Pope Ireland will have same sex marriage before we do.


Actually the Catholic Church's infulence in Ireland is a shell of its former self.

Guess that what happens when you diddle little boys and then try to cover up the whole thing.
 
2012-07-03 08:53:32 PM  

coeyagi: Freedom Fries to make a 10-year anniversary comeback!


I have an idea here... Let's call gay marriage French Marriage. That way when the French next piss off neocons we can call it Freedom Marriage. Right?
 
2012-07-03 08:54:07 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.


Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer
 
2012-07-03 08:54:14 PM  

Hobodeluxe: phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?

since when do pedophiles of any sort care about marriage or the law?


bigfaithministries.com
Ya gotta make it legal and on the up and up if you are going to found a religion
 
2012-07-03 08:54:54 PM  

wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!


Fano: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general


In 2005, with words like this, your ass would already have 10 Company men sniffing around in it.
 
2012-07-03 08:55:20 PM  

Hobodeluxe: phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?

since when do pedophiles of any sort care about marriage or the law?


how are you supposed to raise a family when you don't even LOVE your own kids
 
2012-07-03 08:55:26 PM  

LectertheChef: They had civil unions before, enjoyed nearly all the rights of married couples, except for adoption, and maybe one or two other things. Straight couples also have access to the civil union thing, for whatever reason.


That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.
 
2012-07-03 08:55:42 PM  
Won't someone think of le tortue?
 
2012-07-03 08:55:54 PM  

rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.


France has actually always been surprisingly uptight about certain things. Moreso than most Americans realize, but I think that goes back to WWI, with the French being so much friendlier to black American soldiers. Most of those guys thought France was paradise compared with what they had back home. So, Americans just assume that France is some sort of free for all orgy.
 
2012-07-03 08:56:05 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?

/think carefully about your answer


Yes. We want Washington to force the hicks in the South to give equal rites to citizens of the United States.
 
2012-07-03 08:56:11 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer


You have a problem with the feds regulating that human rights are rights? Why do you hate the Union?
 
2012-07-03 08:56:19 PM  

make me some tea: silgryphon: The United States should do the same

We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.


You mean like with the negras and tham thar civul ryats?
 
2012-07-03 08:56:19 PM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


I know. We need to make ALL marriage ILLEGAL to stop the girl abusing pedophiles.
 
2012-07-03 08:56:46 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


Consider it stolen.
 
2012-07-03 08:57:00 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer


I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now. It might have been a race between them and South Africa. All Americans should be entitled to equal rights. Some Americans should not be more equal than others because they happen to live in a backwards state.
 
2012-07-03 08:57:22 PM  

12349876: phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?

I know. We need to make ALL marriage ILLEGAL to stop the girl abusing pedophiles.


which girl is abusing the pedos

let me at em let me at em!@!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-03 08:57:49 PM  

make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!


[snort]

/Subby
//Yours would've made a better headline
 
2012-07-03 08:58:06 PM  

LectertheChef: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

France has actually always been surprisingly uptight about certain things. Moreso than most Americans realize, but I think that goes back to WWI, with the French being so much friendlier to black American soldiers. Most of those guys thought France was paradise compared with what they had back home. So, Americans just assume that France is some sort of free for all orgy.


They even give their black people health care, and it's the best in the world. Rubes.
 
2012-07-03 08:58:39 PM  

make me some tea: We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.


It'll happen quicker than that. If Obama is re-elected, there will be a legal challenge on DOMA and the Justice Dept will only do the least it can to defend against it. The Supremes will hear the case and they will find DOMA and the bans on same-sex marriage at the state level unconstitutional, likely under equal protection.

I know this current court is extremely conservative, but they're also very pro-individual rights. It's basically the same court which struck down ALL sodomy laws a few years ago.
 
2012-07-03 08:59:58 PM  
make me some tea 2012-07-03 08:51:42 PM silgryphon: The United States should do the same We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.
======================================================

Considering like only 1 state has passed it by popular vote... 10 years is wildly optimistic for 3/4 of the states.

California will probably be legal if only for court rulings. New York I could see going for it very soon.

Hell, Hawaii, probably the bluest state in the nation has gay marriage ban in their constitution! Though, I could see that changing within 10 years.

But beyond those three states? I don't see many more.

/Sad as that is.
 
2012-07-03 09:00:27 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.

It'll happen quicker than that. If Obama is re-elected, there will be a legal challenge on DOMA and the Justice Dept will only do the least it can to defend against it. The Supremes will hear the case and they will find DOMA and the bans on same-sex marriage at the state level unconstitutional, likely under equal protection.

I know this current court is extremely conservative, but they're also very pro-individual rights. It's basically the same court which struck down ALL sodomy laws a few years ago.


I would hope. I really don't want to have to live in a separate country from my partner for another 10 years (it will be 2 years this Thursday).
 
2012-07-03 09:00:29 PM  
Bonjour you cheese-eating butt-surrendering monkeys
 
2012-07-03 09:00:51 PM  

No Line For Beer: LectertheChef: They had civil unions before, enjoyed nearly all the rights of married couples, except for adoption, and maybe one or two other things. Straight couples also have access to the civil union thing, for whatever reason.

That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.


Actually they're two seperate things. There's marriage, and then there's the civil unions, which they called PACS (pacte civil de solidarité).
 
2012-07-03 09:00:58 PM  

coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!


Vatican City. What do I win?
 
2012-07-03 09:01:18 PM  
Hey everybody, let's all get laid!
 
2012-07-03 09:01:22 PM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


Unfortunately for you, child molestation is still illegal in France.
 
2012-07-03 09:01:46 PM  
assets0.ordienetworks.com

good for you france
 
2012-07-03 09:01:51 PM  
Nice!

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-03 09:02:21 PM  
Gay Paris
 
2012-07-03 09:03:15 PM  

WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.


Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.
 
2012-07-03 09:04:11 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?


Damn. Good one.
 
2012-07-03 09:04:32 PM  

coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!


I'll put $20 on Turkmenistan.
 
2012-07-03 09:05:30 PM  
It's like they don't even care what the Republicans here think of them. France is like a bunch of liberal, elitist, socialist, Honey Badgers.
 
2012-07-03 09:05:47 PM  
From French to English, "LeBron James" roughly translates to "TheBron James." Stay tuned next week when I translate "Matt LeBlanc," which is about one order of magnitude more difficult to translate than the previous entry, which if you don't remember, was "LeBron James."
 
2012-07-03 09:06:01 PM  

LectertheChef: Actually they're two seperate things. There's marriage, and then there's the civil unions, which they called PACS (pacte civil de solidarité)


To add another wrinkle, since the 1789 Revolution, French law has separated legal and religious marriage, to the point that traditionally couples had two services: the legal one recognized by the state and the religious one recognized by the church.

More recently, many French couples skipped the (expensive and pointless) religious ceremony and only went through the legal one.
 
2012-07-03 09:07:58 PM  

jake3988: make me some tea 2012-07-03 08:51:42 PM silgryphon: The United States should do the same We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.
======================================================

Considering like only 1 state has passed it by popular vote... 10 years is wildly optimistic for 3/4 of the states.

California will probably be legal if only for court rulings. New York I could see going for it very soon.

Hell, Hawaii, probably the bluest state in the nation has gay marriage ban in their constitution! Though, I could see that changing within 10 years.

But beyond those three states? I don't see many more.

/Sad as that is.


I thought NY legallized it already? Or were you talking about furry marriage?
 
2012-07-03 09:09:20 PM  

coeyagi: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?

Damn. Good one.


Somalia.
 
2012-07-03 09:09:25 PM  

Fano: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general


Well, it's in Europe...
Still, it's great news. It just won't last very long.
 
2012-07-03 09:09:59 PM  

Makh: It's like they don't even care what the Republicans here think of them. France is like a bunch of liberal, elitist, socialist, Honey Badgers.


I've more respect for honey badgers than I do for the modern-day GOP.
 
2012-07-03 09:10:02 PM  
Fabulous indeed
 
2012-07-03 09:10:14 PM  
What? But Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby assured me that France had already legalized gay marriage! I can't believe Sacha Baron Cohen lied to me!
 
2012-07-03 09:10:36 PM  
Same-sex marriage creates MORE married people.

Unlike divorce which creates LESS married people.

You really want to defend marriage? I have an idea.
 
2012-07-03 09:11:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: LectertheChef: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Hell, Ireland's got it planned. Mother farking more Catholic than the Pope Ireland will have same sex marriage before we do.

Actually the Catholic Church's infulence in Ireland is a shell of its former self.

Guess that what happens when you diddle little boys and then try to cover up the whole thing.


Hellfire?
 
2012-07-03 09:11:41 PM  

Arkanaut: I can't believe Sacha Baron Cohen lied to me!


His whole schtick is lying to people.
 
2012-07-03 09:12:06 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


Wow...that is gorgeous!
 
2012-07-03 09:12:43 PM  
Taste the rainbow, France. Taste the rainbow.
 
2012-07-03 09:14:15 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

There was this little conflagration that was kind of keeping people busy. Maybe you've heard of it?

WORLD WAR II


...In 1962?
 
2012-07-03 09:15:00 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Makh: It's like they don't even care what the Republicans here think of them. France is like a bunch of liberal, elitist, socialist, Honey Badgers.

I've more respect for honey badgers than I do for the modern-day GOP.


I have more respect for honey badgers than I do for most people. Honey badgers are farking badass.
 
2012-07-03 09:15:41 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Fano: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general

Well, it's in Europe...
Still, it's great news. It just won't last very long.


Three or four generations allowing divorce lawyers to clean up even more than they already do.
 
2012-07-03 09:16:22 PM  

chopit: coeyagi: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?

Damn. Good one.

Somalia.


I am going to rule against that one on a technicality. You need a government to make things legal or illegal.
 
2012-07-03 09:17:34 PM  
How could they tell?
 
2012-07-03 09:18:13 PM  

davidphogan: coeyagi: Freedom Fries to make a 10-year anniversary comeback!

I have an idea here... Let's call gay marriage French Marriage. That way when the French next piss off neocons we can call it Freedom Marriage. Right?


No, no, no, this time we'll call them Family Fries.
 
2012-07-03 09:19:05 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Arkanaut: I can't believe Sacha Baron Cohen lied to me!

His whole schtick is lying to people.


What? Now you'll tell me he isn't actually from Kazakhstan.
 
2012-07-03 09:19:22 PM  

Theaetetus: WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.

Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.


Not true. 1996. It took them over 125 years, but give credit where it's due.
 
2012-07-03 09:19:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

There was this little conflagration that was kind of keeping people busy. Maybe you've heard of it?

WORLD WAR II


Yes, World War 2 happened in the 60's.... sigh.
 
2012-07-03 09:19:58 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer


Civil marriage is a civil right. Yes, we do want civil rights to be enforced by the Fed, just like they have been since the Civil War. Some things should be left to the states to decide for themselves, but the self-evident rights of their citizens are not one of them. And it says so, right in the Constitution.
 
2012-07-03 09:20:01 PM  

plutonium238: Preperation H stock skyrockets.


you mean KY jelly
 
2012-07-03 09:21:27 PM  
Wait, I thought in France, the gays out number straights 3 to 1. Why wouldn't they already have legal marriage and adoptions?
 
2012-07-03 09:21:50 PM  

coeyagi: chopit: coeyagi: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?

Damn. Good one.

Somalia.

I am going to rule against that one on a technicality. You need a government to make things legal or illegal.


I'm betting in 500 years Vatican City will still have a government, and Somalia won't.

This assumes that 500 years is enough time to allow Vatican City to be crushed and overrun by the gaywads, and rebuilt as a shrine to buttsex.
 
2012-07-03 09:22:13 PM  
The French are mostly uncut and are well-known for their fine selection of cheeses.
 
2012-07-03 09:23:48 PM  

Theaetetus: WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.

Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.


Wow. I didn't know that.
 
2012-07-03 09:25:17 PM  

Goldstein: Theaetetus: WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.

Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.

Not true. 1996. It took them over 125 years, but give credit where it's due.


Technically, no... They voted on it and signed it, finally, but then they never sent the signed copy to Congress:
* Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but because the state never officially notified the US Archivist, the ratification is not official.
 
2012-07-03 09:25:25 PM  
Fun Fact: Parisians have a reputation for being rude to American tourists, but that is entirely unintentional, it's just hard to be friendly and welcoming when you've got a 40 cm dildo shoved into your anus.
 
2012-07-03 09:25:46 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?


Yea ... pretty soon Washington will force restaurants to serve black people. Can't have that!
 
2012-07-03 09:26:35 PM  

jake3988: make me some tea 2012-07-03 08:51:42 PM silgryphon: The United States should do the same We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.
======================================================

Considering like only 1 state has passed it by popular vote... 10 years is wildly optimistic for 3/4 of the states.

California will probably be legal if only for court rulings. New York I could see going for it very soon.

Hell, Hawaii, probably the bluest state in the nation has gay marriage ban in their constitution! Though, I could see that changing within 10 years.

But beyond those three states? I don't see many more.

/Sad as that is.


It's already legal in NY, Hawaii does not have a constitutional amendment banning it (just an amendment allowing it's state legislature to ban it that is over 10 years old). California will hopefully overturn prop 8 soon enough.

Other promising developments include the fact Washington and Minnesota's anti gay marriage trolls are not collecting as much money as the marriage equality groups. There is also hope in Illinois as there is a pending lawsuit challenging the anti gay marriage statute, and nobody of any relevance in the state is interested in defending the
statute in the state supreme court.
 
2012-07-03 09:27:36 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?


Yes.
 
2012-07-03 09:29:05 PM  
At the place in France where the ladies wear no pants, will there now be another hole in the wall for the ladies as well as the men to see it all?
 
2012-07-03 09:29:18 PM  

Klivian: Yes. We want Washington to force the hicks in the South to give equal rites to citizens of the United States.


As long as the rites include chicken sacrifice and Cthulhu worship, I'm OK with this.
 
2012-07-03 09:29:52 PM  
Let's get to the bottom of this: the French greened the brown!
 
2012-07-03 09:31:38 PM  

chopit: coeyagi: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?

Damn. Good one.

Somalia.


Trick answer! Somalia isn't a country!

/i keed
 
2012-07-03 09:31:59 PM  

LectertheChef: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

France has actually always been surprisingly uptight about certain things. Moreso than most Americans realize, but I think that goes back to WWI, with the French being so much friendlier to black American soldiers. Most of those guys thought France was paradise compared with what they had back home. So, Americans just assume that France is some sort of free for all orgy.


I wouldn't use the word "uptight" exactly. The French accepted that gay people exist, and that their condition is a natural state a long time ago. They just relegated being gay to the class of social states that is generally kept private. Someone being gay doesn't confer the same sort of shunning and social disadvantages that it does in some parts of the States, but people also don't really "come out" there.

I guess what I'm saying is that thier "uptight" doesn't carry the same puritanistic agressiveness that ours does.
 
2012-07-03 09:33:40 PM  

coeyagi: Freedom Fries to make a 10-year anniversary comeback!


THIS. I can see this as a rallying cry during the Republican National Convention.
 
2012-07-03 09:33:52 PM  

Nem Wan: At the place in France where the ladies wear no pants, will there now be another hole in the wall for the ladies as well as the men to see it all?


That place is not in France, but in North Korea. And yes, the ladies can now wear pants. 굉장한 !
 
2012-07-03 09:34:05 PM  
Is this the same Frane that the Looney Wing has been saying Obama will be in for a week?

's true. Even though Obama will be with servicemen right here in America, the Republiconservabertarian echo chamber (Karl Rove included) have been trying to push "Obama will spend July 4th in France."

Let's look at the moronic Neds, and point, and laugh.

i301.photobucket.com

Oh you idiots. Must you always be so angry and wrong.
 
2012-07-03 09:35:24 PM  
*France, not Frane

FTFM
 
2012-07-03 09:36:12 PM  

coeyagi: chopit: coeyagi: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Vatican City. What do I win?

Damn. Good one.

Somalia.

I am going to rule against that one on a technicality. You need a government to make things legal or illegal.


Ah! Beat me to it!
 
2012-07-03 09:39:29 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Fun Fact: Parisians have a reputation for being rude to American tourists



I've been to Paris three times, and I have been embarrassed by loud-mouthed American tourists more times than I've been offended by the treatment from Parisians.
 
2012-07-03 09:40:39 PM  

Z-clipped: LectertheChef: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

France has actually always been surprisingly uptight about certain things. Moreso than most Americans realize, but I think that goes back to WWI, with the French being so much friendlier to black American soldiers. Most of those guys thought France was paradise compared with what they had back home. So, Americans just assume that France is some sort of free for all orgy.

I wouldn't use the word "uptight" exactly. The French accepted that gay people exist, and that their condition is a natural state a long time ago. They just relegated being gay to the class of social states that is generally kept private. Someone being gay doesn't confer the same sort of shunning and social disadvantages that it does in some parts of the States, but people also don't really "come out" there.

I guess what I'm saying is that thier "uptight" doesn't carry the same puritanistic agressiveness that ours does.


And by "aggressiveness", I of course mean "aggression".

/Defaut de l'Anglais
 
2012-07-03 09:42:01 PM  
This is the same country that was AGAINST out totally bullshiat war in Iraq. Are you really going to trust their judgment? I mean, c'mon.

/s
 
2012-07-03 09:42:10 PM  

RodneyToady: Nice!

[i45.tinypic.com image 384x363]


I voted both "smart" and "funny" for this post.

/ currently wiping the beer from my keyboard....
 
2012-07-03 09:42:12 PM  
Relevant (Pops)
 
2012-07-03 09:42:34 PM  
Well that will just tickle their unstable Muslim population to death.
 
2012-07-03 09:43:52 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: MrHappyRotter: Fun Fact: Parisians have a reputation for being rude to American tourists


I've been to Paris three times, and I have been embarrassed by loud-mouthed American tourists more times than I've been offended by the treatment from Parisians.


I get the same feeling every time I go to Busch Gardens.

www.themeparkreview.com
 
2012-07-03 09:45:00 PM  
BONE
...I mean Bon
 
2012-07-03 09:45:18 PM  

Pegasus_CAG: Well that will just tickle their unstable Muslim population to death.


Unstable Muslim population? Have you ever tried to cross the Champs de Elysee during rush hour with an IED strapped to your back?
 
2012-07-03 09:46:55 PM  

LectertheChef: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Hell, Ireland's got it planned. Mother farking more Catholic than the Pope Ireland will have same sex marriage before we do.


You guys speak for yourselves.

Gay marriage is legal in my state.
 
2012-07-03 09:48:16 PM  

Doc Daneeka: LectertheChef: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Hell, Ireland's got it planned. Mother farking more Catholic than the Pope Ireland will have same sex marriage before we do.

You guys speak for yourselves.

Gay marriage is legal in my state.


C'mon bro. Pre-1865. The United States are.... Post-1865. The United States is....

//thanks Nic Cage!
 
2012-07-03 09:49:11 PM  

Nem Wan: davidphogan: coeyagi: Freedom Fries to make a 10-year anniversary comeback!

I have an idea here... Let's call gay marriage French Marriage. That way when the French next piss off neocons we can call it Freedom Marriage. Right?

No, no, no, this time we'll call them Family Fries.


www.lutosa.com
 
2012-07-03 09:52:32 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


Hate to break it to you but only Americans think they were ever the leader of the free world.
 
2012-07-03 09:53:25 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: so jean shorts are in??


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-03 09:55:33 PM  

fn129: There is also hope in Illinois as there is a pending lawsuit challenging the anti gay marriage statute, and nobody of any relevance in the state is interested in defending the
statute in the state supreme court.



Hell, far from disinterest, the State's Attorney filed a brief that basically said "Yeah, the Plaintiff is right, it is unconstitutional." The state essentially conceded on the issue.
 
2012-07-03 09:55:46 PM  
Des homosexuels sont sous le table!

//I know very little French.
///This makes me happy for France.
 
2012-07-03 09:57:49 PM  

JK47: Hell, far from disinterest, the State's Attorney filed a brief that basically said "Yeah, the Plaintiff is right, it is unconstitutional." The state essentially conceded on the issue.


The person named as the defendant in the lawsuit, the Clerk of Cook County, has said the suit is right, it is a violation of constitutional protections to deny gays and lesbians marriage licenses. Of course this shouldn't be too much a surprise. Illinois was the first state to do away with all laws that made homosexuality illegal, back in 1963.
 
2012-07-03 09:58:08 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: MrHappyRotter: Fun Fact: Parisians have a reputation for being rude to American tourists


I've been to Paris three times, and I have been embarrassed by loud-mouthed American tourists more times than I've been offended by the treatment from Parisians.


You sound French.
 
2012-07-03 09:58:46 PM  
Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY
 
2012-07-03 09:59:20 PM  
how bout some pics of French lesbos with armpit hair?
 
2012-07-03 09:59:25 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


That ended probably 40 years ago or so.
 
2012-07-03 10:04:22 PM  

ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY


Once the US Supreme Court rules eventually rules on this an legalizes gay marriage for the entire country, we can finally put this divisive social issue behind us and move on as a society.

Just like we did with abortion.
 
2012-07-03 10:06:21 PM  

ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY


Seriously, no need to drag it out. The whole anti-gay rhetoric is ready to go up in flames. There's no way those whack jobs could top their own antics....they've reached rock bottom now. And when you reach rock bottom, it's hard to dig deeper and flesh out the finer details you'll need to penetrate the veneer those people paint with vibrant rainbow colors and their skimpy clothing.
 
2012-07-03 10:08:26 PM  

ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY


but then they'll want to legalize pot
then after that
they'll want to legalize oxycodone.
then benadryl (caffeine will be a schedule I narcotic too)
 
2012-07-03 10:09:42 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

/Weirdly, under the Code Napoleon, France has allowed gay adoption/partnership for years. Basically, any man could adopt anyone he wanted at any age (like the Romans used to do) so it was not uncommon for a gay man to adopt his lover, which then gave both men all the rights of family.


Remembering that: while Jesus never said anything negative about homosexuality, he had no qualms about healing a boy sex slave of a Roman soldier as a favor to the soldier.
 
2012-07-03 10:11:30 PM  
I'm_OK_with_this.jpg
 
2012-07-03 10:13:07 PM  

Doc Daneeka: ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY

Once the US Supreme Court rules eventually rules on this an legalizes gay marriage for the entire country, we can finally put this divisive social issue behind us and move on as a society.

Just like we did with abortion.


Get the ball rolling on that

Obama could do what the Canadian liberals did, let it go to court and then after the court says its constitutional he can say he will not appeal because the top court would likely go with the lower court so to save money and everyones time announce they will make it legal themselves.. he would need a majority to do that though I guess
 
2012-07-03 10:13:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SOME gay people are ostentatious, but most are hard-working, normal people like the rest of us.

It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.


True. But regardless this is a good thing and it's sad we can't get it done in the US. Also.. I did laugh at subby.
 
2012-07-03 10:15:54 PM  
Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.
 
2012-07-03 10:16:18 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY

but then they'll want to legalize pot
then after that
they'll want to legalize oxycodone.
then benadryl (caffeine will be a schedule I narcotic too)


Fark trolls are already asking why you can't marry your pet, or your own child, or be a polygamist.
 
2012-07-03 10:16:48 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SOME gay people are ostentatious, but most are hard-working, normal people like the rest of us.

It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.


MrHappyRotter: Seriously, no need to drag it out.


Is that some sort of transgender pun? We are not amused.
 
2012-07-03 10:17:05 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: MrHappyRotter: Fun Fact: Parisians have a reputation for being rude to American tourists


I've been to Paris three times, and I have been embarrassed by loud-mouthed American tourists more times than I've been offended by the treatment from Parisians.


My first trip to Paris we arrived late and found some random bistro to eat. As we were being seated - two old and obvious Americans stated rather loudly that 'soccer' (which was on the TV sets) was a game for children. The wife then argued with the waiter over the size of the tip as she stated "she didn't want to screw him over" - he just wanted her out.

My boyfriend apologized to the waiter in French for the two Americans. Ten minutes later the owner of the place came out with a bottle of wine and insisted that the meal and the booze was no charge.

That was my introduction to France. Farking awesome place.

/the French don't care if you can't speak the language or understand the customs well - they just care that you make the effort
 
2012-07-03 10:17:14 PM  

Klivian: KellyX: Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!

Wut? The movie showed him being born in space.


In the "Prime" timeline, i.e. the 5 TV series and the first 10 movies he was born in Iowa. The changed timeline from the 11th film has him born in deep space.

You know how the Narada appearing through the rift forced Kirks mother in to premature labor? Yeah, that was a change in the timeline. Kirk's dad was supposed to live, and the U.S.S. Kelvin was supposed to make it back to Earth right after that, where James Tiberius Kirk would be born in Riverside, Iowa on March 22, 2233.
 
2012-07-03 10:18:43 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?


You really don't understand how our republican system of government works, do you?
 
2012-07-03 10:19:41 PM  

MrHappyRotter: ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY

Seriously, no need to drag it out. The whole anti-gay rhetoric is ready to go up in flames. There's no way those whack jobs could top their own antics....they've reached rock bottom now. And when you reach rock bottom, it's hard to dig deeper and flesh out the finer details you'll need to penetrate the veneer those people paint with vibrant rainbow colors and their skimpy clothing.


Its not even really noticeable when its legal unless you are gay or friend/family member is gay and want to get married. Just cause they will get benefits wont change the country one bit. The whole furor over it makes no sense. It shouldnt even be an issue. It definitely shouldn't be as big of a deal politically as it has.

They remind me of Ahmadinnerjacket when he claimed no gays lived in Iran.
I think it seriously pisses them off that gay people live in their country
 
2012-07-03 10:22:42 PM  
Awesome.

That is all.
 
2012-07-03 10:26:13 PM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


No, because I don't live in your delusion, sorry. But nice try at getting a rise out of us. 4/10 since pedophilia is such a hot button.
 
2012-07-03 10:26:14 PM  

Fano: Jon iz teh kewl: ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY

but then they'll want to legalize pot
then after that
they'll want to legalize oxycodone.
then benadryl (caffeine will be a schedule I narcotic too)

Fark trolls are already asking why you can't marry your pet, or your own child, or be a polygamist.


Yes, well, anyone who uses that argument.. theres just no helping them
 
2012-07-03 10:29:42 PM  
Smart logic for Republicans to use if they wish

There wouldn't be a gay agenda if you weren't trying your hardest to piss them off

Say yes to gay marriage & adoptions and whatever else Canada allows
cause Canada is the model

then if they ask for more you tell them to fark off
 
2012-07-03 10:30:08 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: how bout some pics of French lesbos with armpit hair?


www.thisisdiversity.com

close as I could wanted to get

/happy for David Sedaris
 
2012-07-03 10:32:10 PM  
"Paging Monsieur Cooper et Monsieur Cruise to le blanc courtesy phone! ... "Paging Monsieur Cooper et Monsieur Cruise to le blanc courtesy phone!"
 
2012-07-03 10:32:42 PM  

ontariolightning: MrHappyRotter: ontariolightning: Just legalize it so all the gay people will shut up. Don't allow this to drag on and on.. unless you want gay marriage to always be a news / election topic. We got it over with in Canada and now we barely hear a peep from them.. but of course we now have to hear it all over american news channels

END IT ALREADY

Seriously, no need to drag it out. The whole anti-gay rhetoric is ready to go up in flames. There's no way those whack jobs could top their own antics....they've reached rock bottom now. And when you reach rock bottom, it's hard to dig deeper and flesh out the finer details you'll need to penetrate the veneer those people paint with vibrant rainbow colors and their skimpy clothing.

Its not even really noticeable when its legal unless you are gay or friend/family member is gay and want to get married. Just cause they will get benefits wont change the country one bit. The whole furor over it makes no sense. It shouldnt even be an issue. It definitely shouldn't be as big of a deal politically as it has.

They remind me of Ahmadinnerjacket when he claimed no gays lived in Iran.
I think it seriously pisses them off that gay people live in their country


Homosexuality just rubs certain people the wrong way. For those people, it's all about analyzing everything, from gay sex, to gay penises, to gay penguins...the list is long, trust me. If you try to bear with those folks, they'll force their view points on you, the talking points have no end. They practically choke you with it, and then get down on hands and knee and try to beg for forgiveness......Ha Ha Ha When they do that to me, they pretty much always blow it.
 
2012-07-03 10:35:29 PM  
Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.
 
2012-07-03 10:35:30 PM  
If the decision isn't a federal one, what chance does it have of making it through the layers of douchebaggery of the conservative states? You can be a happily married gay couple in Mass. but when you vacation in New Orleans you're now just best buds? God forbid you show your breasts in front of your partner AND EVERYONE ELSE down there.

\Ok, let them puppies breathe
\\everyone likes puppy breath
 
2012-07-03 10:35:35 PM  
btw US you're not alone, many "liberal" countries still are in the gay marriage fight
Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Switzerland.. bunch more
 
2012-07-03 10:38:48 PM  

burpchuck: If the decision isn't a federal one, what chance does it have of making it through the layers of douchebaggery of the conservative states? You can be a happily married gay couple in Mass. but when you vacation in New Orleans you're now just best buds? God forbid you show your breasts in front of your partner AND EVERYONE ELSE down there.

\Ok, let them puppies breathe
\\everyone likes puppy breath


Not to mention just because the marriage is recognized in a state doesn't mean it is by the federal government so no, still not equal.
 
2012-07-03 10:39:59 PM  
We are evolving towards a more civilized world. First stop, equal rights for all. Next stop, world peace. Okay, maybe there will be a couple of stops between equal rights and world peace, but tonight it feels like we're heading in the right direction.
 
2012-07-03 10:40:10 PM  
Oh forgot to add: Good on you France if only every country would follow suite.
 
2012-07-03 10:45:46 PM  
According to the French President," We did not see this coming."
 
2012-07-03 10:47:10 PM  

burpchuck: If the decision isn't a federal one, what chance does it have of making it through the layers of douchebaggery of the conservative states?


None. Same as civil rights. But DoMA makes it a Federal issue. Hell, even if DoMA didn't exist, it would still be a Federal issue, between equal protection and full faith and credit.
 
2012-07-03 10:48:16 PM  
I guess France doesn't have a big enough black population to vote it down, like California did.
 
2012-07-03 10:51:55 PM  

Fano: Hobodeluxe: phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?

since when do pedophiles of any sort care about marriage or the law?

bigfaithministries.com
Ya gotta make it legal and on the up and up if you are going to found a religion


Why is Joseph Smith wearing a turban?
 
2012-07-03 10:53:56 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SOME gay people are ostentatious, but most are hard-working, normal people like the rest of us.

It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.


????
"Fabulous" is a denigrating term now?
 
2012-07-03 10:54:35 PM  

ontariolightning: btw US you're not alone, many "liberal" countries still are in the gay marriage fight
Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Switzerland.. bunch more


Meh, they're being dragged Right by the Great Goalpost Migration of the 21st Century just like us. Our exports may be down but not in shiatty political uprisings spawned of fear and Jebus.
 
2012-07-03 10:59:19 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.


I'll be sure to tell my gay friends to stop denigrating themselves.
 
2012-07-03 11:00:51 PM  

Silverstaff: Klivian: KellyX: Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!

Wut? The movie showed him being born in space.

In the "Prime" timeline, i.e. the 5 TV series and the first 10 movies he was born in Iowa.


Technically, not entirely true. In "The Voyage Home" he said he was "from Iowa" but didn't say born there.
 
2012-07-03 11:01:00 PM  

Gawdzila: AverageAmericanGuy: It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.

I'll be sure to tell my gay friends to stop denigrating themselves.


I heard that Roger Ailes told his staff that "queer" was now a no-no. -Herman Cain
 
2012-07-03 11:02:16 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Silverstaff: Klivian: KellyX: Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!

Wut? The movie showed him being born in space.

In the "Prime" timeline, i.e. the 5 TV series and the first 10 movies he was born in Iowa.

Technically, not entirely true. In "The Voyage Home" he said he was "from Iowa" but didn't say born there.


Winona Kirk named her vagina "Iowa". Settled?
 
2012-07-03 11:04:26 PM  

Krieghund: Fano: Hobodeluxe: phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?

since when do pedophiles of any sort care about marriage or the law?

[bigfaithministries.com image 271x320]
Ya gotta make it legal and on the up and up if you are going to found a religion

Why is Joseph Smith wearing a turban?


Don't be silly - that's the apostle Paul.
 
2012-07-03 11:08:02 PM  

gingerjet: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?

Yea ... pretty soon Washington will force restaurants to serve black people. Can't have that!


Grrrrrrr. Black people bad, gay people good.
 
2012-07-03 11:08:53 PM  

make me some tea: silgryphon: The United States should do the same

We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.


Yes, once all th smart people completely leave, then they will have to.
 
2012-07-03 11:09:12 PM  

Gawdzila: AverageAmericanGuy: It's really perpetuating a bad stereotype when you use the term "fabulous" to denigrate them.

I'll be sure to tell my gay friends to stop denigrating themselves.


And someone be sure to let Ru Paul know. I guess Drag Race will never be the same ;)
 
2012-07-03 11:11:20 PM  
I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.
 
2012-07-03 11:12:45 PM  

iaazathot: make me some tea: silgryphon: The United States should do the same

We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.

Yes, once all th smart people completely leave, then they will have to.


Nope. All the smart people leaving means none will be left to tell them that they've left. Coming soon to the Jackson, MS Starplex:

robsmovievault.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-03 11:12:53 PM  

Klivian: KellyX: Only thing good to come out of Iowa was James T. Kirk... but anyhow, fabulous!

Wut? The movie showed him being born in space.


No, Kirk's from Iowa. He only works in outer space.
 
2012-07-03 11:13:34 PM  

paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.


0/10.
 
2012-07-03 11:15:36 PM  

paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.


I think it was destroyed after the first divorce
 
2012-07-03 11:17:17 PM  

paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.


Speak for yourself, honey.
 
2012-07-03 11:19:19 PM  

ontariolightning: I think it was destroyed after the first divorce


For some reason that no one can explain, hetero divorce has no effect on the sanctity of marriage. But this sanctity of marriage stuff is totally a real thing, it's not just "I think the gays are icky" even though there's absolutely no evidence that it's anything other than that.
 
2012-07-03 11:19:48 PM  

wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!


dropbox.am0.co.uk

To crush the homophobes, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the freepers.

That is best in life.
 
2012-07-03 11:20:10 PM  

ontariolightning: paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.

I think it was destroyed after the first divorce


It seems like it would have been pretty much destroyed the moment one (or both) of Adam and Eve's sons had to marry mom to make babies to populate the earth.
 
2012-07-03 11:20:12 PM  

ontariolightning: paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.

I think it was destroyed after the first divorce


upload.wikimedia.org

Having tired unsuccessfully to enjoy three legally-bound vaginas and several extra-marital vaginas, former Speaker Newt Gingrich divorces Angry Bird and goes full poopshoot with Larry Craig.

(C) 2013 Associated Press
 
2012-07-03 11:21:44 PM  

WorldCitizen: It seems like it would have been pretty much destroyed the moment one (or both) of Adam and Eve's sons had to marry mom to make babies to populate the earth.


Logic is Satan's greatest weapon.
 
2012-07-03 11:24:05 PM  

coeyagi: goes full poopshoot


I just wanted to see it again.
 
2012-07-03 11:24:14 PM  

WorldCitizen: ontariolightning: paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.

I think it was destroyed after the first divorce

It seems like it would have been pretty much destroyed the moment one (or both) of Adam and Eve's sons had to marry mom to make babies to populate the earth.


Evolution created the babes for Adam and Eve's sons.
 
2012-07-03 11:24:56 PM  

ciberido: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

[dropbox.am0.co.uk image 550x421]

To crush the homophobes, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the freepers.

That is best in life.


LoL : )
 
2012-07-03 11:25:53 PM  
www.worldwar1.com
 
2012-07-03 11:26:28 PM  
Well, that's it! I'm now boycotting french fries, french toast, french bread, french dressing, french onion soup, and anything else I can think of with the word "french" in it. Take that, France!!!
 
2012-07-03 11:27:15 PM  

mod3072: Well, that's it! I'm now boycotting french fries, french toast, french bread, french dressing, french onion soup, and anything else I can think of with the word "french" in it. Take that, France!!!


French ticklers and French kissing conspicuously absent. Some conservative you are!
 
2012-07-03 11:27:41 PM  

mod3072: Well, that's it! I'm now boycotting french fries, french toast, french bread, french dressing, french onion soup, and anything else I can think of with the word "french" in it. Take that, France!!!


french ticklers
 
2012-07-03 11:30:41 PM  

mod3072: Well, that's it! I'm now boycotting french fries, french toast, french bread, french dressing, french onion soup, and anything else I can think of with the word "french" in it. Take that, France!!!


Isn't closet a french word?
 
2012-07-03 11:30:47 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


Awesome shot from the Trocadero, we hung out there a fair bit, lots of good people-watching.
 
2012-07-03 11:33:00 PM  
Quick, Pierre, what can we do to upset American Republicans?

I know, Henri, let's legalize gay marriage and adoption. They think we already have those things but lets make it legal and rub it in their faces.
 
2012-07-03 11:34:05 PM  
Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.

Have a modicum of respect for our sister democracy and longest, staunchest ally.
 
2012-07-03 11:34:27 PM  

gingerjet: My first trip to Paris we arrived late and found some random bistro to eat. As we were being seated - two old and obvious Americans stated rather loudly that 'soccer' (which was on the TV sets) was a game for children.


You do realize that the term 'soccer' originated in England, right? So please stick those sarcasm quotes somewhere where the sun don't shine.
 
2012-07-03 11:37:26 PM  

NathanAllen: Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.

Have a modicum of respect for our sister democracy and longest, staunchest ally.


Yeah, but Lady Liberty is obviously a dyke.

data.whicdn.com
 
2012-07-03 11:37:27 PM  
Fabuleuse!

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


That is a really great pic.
 
2012-07-03 11:37:38 PM  

NathanAllen: Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.

Have a modicum of respect for our sister democracy and longest, staunchest ally.


Yes, but their government surrendered to Hitler, therefore they're all cowards.

French Resistance? What the hell was that, some kind of cheese?
 
2012-07-03 11:37:49 PM  
This is great news, but, you know, France hasn't done it yet. Hollande said France will legalize same-sex marriage while he's president, but it hasn't been done yet.

Still, this will play well in Le Marais.
 
2012-07-03 11:37:57 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?


We've been consistently behind the actual 1st world in just about every major social issue. We declared ourselves leader because we excel in technology, military power, and wealth, and everyone has to do what we want or we fark them. Slavery and segregation, womens' rights, gay rights, universal health care, progressive taxation, proportional representation...The US is like a tribe of Neanderthals...armed with railguns. The worst part about it is that what should be a hyperbolic analogy actually comes close to reality when compared to modern "conservatives," who are the reason we're so farking backwards.
 
2012-07-03 11:39:13 PM  

LordJiro: NathanAllen: Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.

Have a modicum of respect for our sister democracy and longest, staunchest ally.

Yes, but their government surrendered to Hitler, therefore they're all cowards.

French Resistance? What the hell was that, some kind of cheese?


flagspot.net

Tell that to Terrence & Philip.
 
2012-07-03 11:40:29 PM  

Emposter: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

And we're supposed to be the leader of the free world?

We've been consistently behind the actual 1st world in just about every major social issue. We declared ourselves leader because we excel in technology, military power, and wealth, and everyone has to do what we want or we fark them. Slavery and segregation, womens' rights, gay rights, universal health care, progressive taxation, proportional representation...The US is like a tribe of Neanderthals...armed with railguns. The worst part about it is that what should be a hyperbolic analogy actually comes close to reality when compared to modern "conservatives," who are the reason we're so farking backwards.


American Exceptionalism:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-03 11:42:33 PM  

paygun: ontariolightning: I think it was destroyed after the first divorce

For some reason that no one can explain, hetero divorce has no effect on the sanctity of marriage. But this sanctity of marriage stuff is totally a real thing, it's not just "I think the gays are icky" even though there's absolutely no evidence that it's anything other than that.


Even you have to admit that gay sex is icky, what with the balls touching and such.
 
2012-07-03 11:52:25 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Even you have to admit that gay sex is icky, what with the balls touching and such.


I don't spend a lot of time thinking about balls touching. Have a fabulous holiday!
 
2012-07-04 12:02:09 AM  

coeyagi: mod3072: Well, that's it! I'm now boycotting french fries, french toast, french bread, french dressing, french onion soup, and anything else I can think of with the word "french" in it. Take that, France!!!

French ticklers and French kissing conspicuously absent. Some conservative you are!


No need to mention the obvious. Those things are only for you dirty heathens.
 
2012-07-04 12:03:29 AM  

MrHappyRotter: paygun: ontariolightning: I think it was destroyed after the first divorce

For some reason that no one can explain, hetero divorce has no effect on the sanctity of marriage. But this sanctity of marriage stuff is totally a real thing, it's not just "I think the gays are icky" even though there's absolutely no evidence that it's anything other than that.

Even you have to admit that gay sex is icky, what with the balls touching and such.


Only Republicans fantasize how it works.
 
2012-07-04 12:07:35 AM  

NateGrey: Only Republicans fantasize how it works.


I don't know, occasionally we hear about another Republican who wasn't just fantasizing.
 
2012-07-04 12:08:31 AM  

NathanAllen: Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.


here's a strange fact: France wasn't a democracy when those things happened. In fact the France that exists now is very different from the France that helped us during our Revolution.

/never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture
 
2012-07-04 12:13:39 AM  

Voiceofreason01: NathanAllen: Here's a strange couple facts; the French provided us with monetary and military support during our revolution and gave us our Colossus.


here's a strange fact: France wasn't a democracy when those things happened. In fact the France that exists now is very different from the France that helped us during our Revolution.

/never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture


I blame this guy:

www.armenianweekly.com
 
2012-07-04 12:14:31 AM  
It's never a good sign when your country is behind Mexico on social issues.
 
2012-07-04 12:15:05 AM  

instantkarma78: I guess France doesn't have a big enough black population to vote it down, like California did.


I don't think they have as many Mormons either.
 
2012-07-04 12:20:28 AM  

fusillade762: instantkarma78: I guess France doesn't have a big enough black population to vote it down, like California did.

I don't think they have as many Mormons either.


Well, they HAD at least one.
 
2012-07-04 12:21:41 AM  

fusillade762: instantkarma78: I guess France doesn't have a big enough black population to vote it down, like California did.

I don't think they have as many Mormons either.


Or Evangelical Christians.
 
2012-07-04 12:22:36 AM  
Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?
 
2012-07-04 12:22:56 AM  

12349876: fusillade762: instantkarma78: I guess France doesn't have a big enough black population to vote it down, like California did.

I don't think they have as many Mormons either.

Or Evangelical Christians.


Or Muslims. Oh wait...
 
2012-07-04 12:23:37 AM  

shotglasss: Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?


He's a Vanderbilt. He'll go back to the homeland of legal grass and hookers.
 
2012-07-04 12:26:37 AM  
Wait, I thought all those ppl were like "Why in the hell are Americans having such a heated debate about this? It's a no-brainer and shouldn't be a debate"?
To which I thought meant it was already legal there. But, it wasn't. Which raises the question, or begs it, or there's something something
 
2012-07-04 12:29:04 AM  

Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French


Well, to be fair we liked the French monarchy, then the French murdered the lot, and then we thought Napoleon was pretty cool (he sold us a ton of land for cheap) but he got exiled...

//Seriously, though, it's not genuine distaste so much as a running joke between the countries. Both of us have a strong cultural tradition of trading non-serious insults with your friends, and if there's a nation in the world that has the US's back and vice-versa it's France.
 
2012-07-04 12:30:27 AM  

coeyagi: Or Muslims. Oh wait...


France doesn't allow most of its Muslims (who tend to be recent immigrants or their kids) to vote. Their civil rights are kinda inconsistent at times too.
 
2012-07-04 12:32:12 AM  

Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Or Muslims. Oh wait...

France doesn't allow most of its Muslims (who tend to be recent immigrants or their kids) to vote. Their civil rights are kinda inconsistent at times too.


Yeah, good point. At what point can they become citizens?
 
2012-07-04 12:40:17 AM  
Does this mean that Anderson Cooper and Tom Cruise will finally be flying to Paris to get married?
 
2012-07-04 12:44:16 AM  
The US does look poised to do the right thing and legalize it.

As long as we keep Republicans out of office in the next 5 years.
 
2012-07-04 12:45:28 AM  
Anyone else starting to think maybe the Mayans were more accurate than we give the credit for?

/would be more fun to watch all the social change if it wasnt so damn painful
 
2012-07-04 12:45:37 AM  
Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.
 
2012-07-04 12:48:51 AM  

mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.


Uh, wut? Really? Just wow.
 
2012-07-04 12:50:06 AM  

make me some tea: FINALLY France is as cool as Iowa!


Well, except "Iowa" voted out all the judges who made that happen. If this [local] election year goes Full Retard, the state might swing red and (attempt to) make the gays wish they never opened their mouths raised their heads enjoyed living in Iowa. Sanctity of Reactionary Values.

Who am I kidding, the weather is notably inclement 50 weeks out of the year.
 
2012-07-04 12:51:28 AM  

mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.


As a sovereign entity, yes, as a political one, no. Plus, social change is widely influenced by global trends and industrial / technological advances. So if France is 1000 years older than the U.S., it doesn't really matter. The difference between the U.S. and France now is minor in comparison to how both countries were 225 years ago.
 
2012-07-04 12:51:55 AM  

Peki: Anyone else starting to think maybe the Mayans were more accurate than we give the credit for?

/would be more fun to watch all the social change if it wasnt so damn painful


I can't think of a single social reform that wasn't born out of pain. I think it's great that we now have the luxury of being able to use the system to enact change as opposed to rioting and burning down the night.
 
2012-07-04 12:52:12 AM  

LordJiro: Yes, but their government surrendered to Hitler, therefore they're all cowards.

French Resistance? What the hell was that, some kind of cheese?



Fun fact. Their navy refused and never allowed to be controlled by the Germans.
 
2012-07-04 12:55:32 AM  
Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.
 
2012-07-04 12:56:11 AM  
I think there was a character "Frenchie" in the musical Grease.
 
2012-07-04 12:56:40 AM  

bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.


But that's gaming the system! Now you can get medical benefits to refurbish your bookshelf!
 
2012-07-04 12:57:30 AM  

mekki: France is much older the US.


France had their Revolution over 10 years after the US. We were writing our Constitution around then, when we learned that States don't voluntarily pay enough taxes to support a National [Anything.]
 
2012-07-04 12:57:32 AM  

coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Or Muslims. Oh wait...

France doesn't allow most of its Muslims (who tend to be recent immigrants or their kids) to vote. Their civil rights are kinda inconsistent at times too.

Yeah, good point. At what point can they become citizens?


It's a little weird. You get automatic citizenship at birth if you're born to at least one parent who was also born in France, and your parents can request that you be granted citizenship if you were born there when you're 13, or you can request it yourself at 18, but you're not guaranteed to get it.

A lot of this procedure was added in 1994 when France started to get lots of refugees from heavily Muslim countries, so an... uncharitable person might draw the parallel to Jim Crow laws and "grandfathering" in the US.

Although an adult can automatically gain citizenship through service in the foreign legion as well, and there's a pretty complicated web of naturalization laws and so on like any first-world country too. In general, though, the place is unfriendly to people that want to move there, though that can be said of most of the first world when compared to the US*.

*Maybe not obvious how liberal (actual meaning of the word, not colloquialism for leftist) the US's immigration policy is since we've been loudly debating opening it up further in recent years and there's so much demand that there's a log-jam at the southern border regardless, but we are actually friendlier to potential immigrants than most modern nations. For instance, you can apply again after being rejected or deported for being here illegally, can't do that in most of Europe, especially the UK.
 
2012-07-04 12:57:56 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

Uh, wut? Really? Just wow.


Heh, really. There's tortured logic, and then there's logic that's been flayed alive and set on fire with gasoline.
 
2012-07-04 12:58:04 AM  

bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.


Yeah well good luck trying to get the same benefits as straight married people with such a cavalier attitude as that. Or any kind of legal protection.

Did you even think about what you were posting before you hit "add comment?" Just wondering.
 
2012-07-04 01:01:28 AM  

coeyagi: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

As a sovereign entity, yes, as a political one, no. Plus, social change is widely influenced by global trends and industrial / technological advances. So if France is 1000 years older than the U.S., it doesn't really matter. The difference between the U.S. and France now is minor in comparison to how both countries were 225 years ago.


By his brilliant calculations, Kosovo is a far more advanced nation than America..
They've only existed since 2008, and they already have telephones!
 
2012-07-04 01:03:25 AM  

jso2897: coeyagi: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

As a sovereign entity, yes, as a political one, no. Plus, social change is widely influenced by global trends and industrial / technological advances. So if France is 1000 years older than the U.S., it doesn't really matter. The difference between the U.S. and France now is minor in comparison to how both countries were 225 years ago.

By his brilliant calculations, Kosovo is a far more advanced nation than America..
They've only existed since 2008, and they already have telephones!


By 2020, they'll have plasma TVs and by 2030, flying electric cars! We can't even get fuel standards up without pissing and moaning!
 
2012-07-04 01:03:31 AM  

mekki: France is much older the US.


France's first revolution occurred after the US's and it took them like 5 or 6 of them to establish the new entity. In the intervening time they amused themselves by killing or burning basically everything flammable or killable related to the old order.

So... no. No, not really, man. If anything, it's significantly younger than us.
 
2012-07-04 01:05:36 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?


There have been no "states rights" since 1865.
 
2012-07-04 01:07:06 AM  

pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.
 
2012-07-04 01:07:42 AM  

pciszek: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Because Abraham Lincoln forgot to wear his knight's helmet and Harriet Tubman automatically became president.
 
2012-07-04 01:10:54 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


Yeah, and since then we've had a Civil War and forced seceding states back into the Union, stripping them of any freedom to make their own laws regarding slavery, voting rights, etc. Do try to keep up.
 
2012-07-04 01:10:57 AM  

Jim_Callahan: pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.

Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


The 10th Amendment isn't going to help the anti gay marriage cause. Neither the states nor the people have the "right" to discriminate against American citizens.
 
2012-07-04 01:14:57 AM  

coeyagi: jso2897: coeyagi: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

As a sovereign entity, yes, as a political one, no. Plus, social change is widely influenced by global trends and industrial / technological advances. So if France is 1000 years older than the U.S., it doesn't really matter. The difference between the U.S. and France now is minor in comparison to how both countries were 225 years ago.

By his brilliant calculations, Kosovo is a far more advanced nation than America..
They've only existed since 2008, and they already have telephones!

By 2020, they'll have plasma TVs and by 2030, flying electric cars! We can't even get fuel standards up without pissing and moaning!


ROFLMAO, for real thank y'all so much needed the laugh.
 
2012-07-04 01:16:51 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.
 
2012-07-04 01:18:46 AM  

pciszek: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Yeah, and since then we've had a Civil War and forced seceding states back into the Union, stripping them of any freedom to make their own laws regarding slavery, voting rights, etc. Do try to keep up.


Not sure if serious.
 
2012-07-04 01:20:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

There was this little conflagration that was kind of keeping people busy. Maybe you've heard of it?

WORLD WAR II


I voted this one funny because you are apparently still trapped in the 90's.
 
2012-07-04 01:39:25 AM  

Jim_Callahan: mekki: France is much older the US.

France's first revolution occurred after the US's and it took them like 5 or 6 of them to establish the new entity. In the intervening time they amused themselves by killing or burning basically everything flammable or killable related to the old order.

So... no. No, not really, man. If anything, it's significantly younger than us.


And of course after that you have various Democracies and Monarchies and Empires and the Nazi's thrown in there.

France's current Constitution was written in 1958. My Dad's older than that.
 
2012-07-04 01:47:26 AM  

make me some tea: silgryphon: The United States should do the same

We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.


It'll happen sooner and it won't be a state-by-state issue. Some challenge to gay marriage will turn up before the Supreme Court and I'm reasonably sure they'll legalize it. If SCOTUS gives the green light, it becomes legal everywhere.

That won't go over well in mouthbreathing inbred yokel 'Murrica, but neither did tossing Jim Crow laws, women's sufferage or civil rights.

They'll get over it.

/congrats, France!
 
2012-07-04 01:48:36 AM  

shotglasss: Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?


Anderson Cooper is a New Yorker. He can get married here if he wants to.
 
2012-07-04 01:49:57 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.


Well this mater will and can only end constitutionally in the supreme court for the US there is no way it would ever go through congress.
/Sorta sad about that
 
2012-07-04 01:51:17 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.


What he said was "the states don't have rights" not "I feel this issue falls under the purview of [x amendment] rather than states rights".

Assuming you're referring to DOMA making marriage a federally recognized right under the 9th amendment and the 14th then bans the states from farking with it, I'd have to agree that that's at least a legitimate interpretation (and probably how this is going to play out eventually), but that doesn't make what the guy I was responding to was saying any less retarded.

It's possible to be an idiot and still accidentally wind up at the correct answer, but it doesn't change the fact that said broken clock is broken.
 
2012-07-04 02:11:59 AM  
Hey, France...

/good for them :)
 
2012-07-04 02:30:02 AM  

pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Are you from the nth dimension visiting?
 
2012-07-04 02:34:44 AM  

No Line For Beer: LectertheChef: They had civil unions before, enjoyed nearly all the rights of married couples, except for adoption, and maybe one or two other things. Straight couples also have access to the civil union thing, for whatever reason.

That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.


It is not a justice of the peace, it is the town mayor, an elected official.
/married and divorced in France
 
2012-07-04 02:37:13 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.


Gays have been able to marry in the U.S. for many years.

Not all parts of the U.S. But that first sentence is a fact.

So another nation the size of a U.S. state adopts the same policy as some U.S. states. And then people act amazed it takes a nation of 50 such states acting in unison a little longer. Duh.

We'd be better off if BOTH sides stopped preaching hatred and stupidity.
 
2012-07-04 02:44:51 AM  

mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.


Canada is like 80 years younger than the US and the first official gay marriage in the world happened in Toronto in 1999.
Canada wins
 
2012-07-04 02:47:57 AM  
Are tired of all the French surrender jokes especially by people whose language is at least 40% French:

www.notablebiographies.com
www.middle-ages.org.uk
 
2012-07-04 02:49:46 AM  
I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.
 
2012-07-04 03:04:26 AM  
Many of my friends have less rights than me because of who they chose to love.
American dream. Yeah right... if you're asleep.
 
2012-07-04 03:05:58 AM  

paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage case of adultery, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-04 03:08:45 AM  

ontariolightning: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

Canada is like 80 years younger than the US and the first official gay marriage in the world happened in Toronto in 1999.
Canada wins


Canada joined the 21st century a full year before it actually happened.
 
2012-07-04 03:09:20 AM  
This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.
 
2012-07-04 03:14:29 AM  

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Well, its nice that you have a theory even though it sucks

Why would they concentrate on France when Canada (largest trading partner & neighbour) has had gay marriage country wide since 2005?
 
2012-07-04 03:17:48 AM  
And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world
and have gay marriage and they are like the strongest economic countries in the world. never hear that they are in trouble

Dont blame socialism
 
2012-07-04 03:26:28 AM  

randomjsa: 1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.


More like: The people in group (2), being older, will die off faster than the people in group (1). People born recently are more likely to be "not really against" since they will have grown up knowing a few gay people, and it won't be that big a deal.
 
2012-07-04 03:36:32 AM  

Paris1127: This is great news, but, you know, France hasn't done it yet. Hollande said France will legalize same-sex marriage while he's president, but it hasn't been done yet.

Still, this will play well in Le Marais.


Probably ... he's straight but pretty open minded ....

img2.timeinc.net
 
2012-07-04 03:38:53 AM  

bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.



Who do you think is going to issue a marriage license?
 
2012-07-04 03:42:01 AM  

diaphoresis: I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.



Judging by the wildfires in America and it just started to be summer, you might want to bite your lip before you say something stupid like that.
 
2012-07-04 03:42:48 AM  

intelligent comment below: LordJiro: Yes, but their government surrendered to Hitler, therefore they're all cowards.

French Resistance? What the hell was that, some kind of cheese?


Fun fact. Their navy refused and never allowed to be controlled by the Germans.


They also refused to integrate allied command, and attacked Gibraltar throughout the war.
 
2012-07-04 03:43:58 AM  

randomjsa: 3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.



And those people are few and far between, and just as dumb as you

If you were seriously trying to make an argument, you failed, as usual
 
2012-07-04 03:45:13 AM  

Jim_Callahan: h


The 5eme Republique as it is called dates from 1958.
 
2012-07-04 03:53:23 AM  

intelligent comment below: diaphoresis: I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.


Judging by the wildfires in America and it just started to be summer, you might want to bite your lip before you say something stupid like that.


LOL! Fair point....
 
2012-07-04 03:56:26 AM  
This is as good as any place to ask but, where smart and funny buttons on m.fark.com? Whe
 
2012-07-04 04:02:47 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Are tired of all the French surrender jokes especially by people whose language is at least 40% French:

[www.notablebiographies.com image 228x280]
[www.middle-ages.org.uk image 166x200]


William the Conquerer was not French he was Norman, and that only in name. He was a direct descendant of Rollo the viking, the invader the Franks gave Normandy to.
 
2012-07-04 04:06:50 AM  

ontariolightning: And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world
and have gay marriage and they are like the strongest economic countries in the world. never hear that they are in trouble


Aren't a few of them having issues with the very large number of culturally incompatible culturally diverse immigrants putting a very large drain on social services?
Sort of like how Republicans imagine America to be, but in this case actually existing in reality.
 
2012-07-04 04:30:49 AM  

RodneyToady: shotglasss: Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?

Anderson Cooper is a New Yorker. He can get married here if he wants to.


Anderson Cooper can marry anywhere in the USA to any woman he wants to.

/i keed
 
2012-07-04 04:35:33 AM  

ontariolightning: And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world



Well........sort of. It's more 50/50.

Yes, they have impressive socialization of their oil wealth among their 95% white population. Let's get that out of the way.

They also have strict immigration policies that would be considered xenophobic and racist in the U.S. They are having severe cultural and social problems adjusting to the concept of allowing non-whites to immigrate. They also are not as progressive as the U.S. on women's rights. In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies. They are perhaps half a century behind the U.S. in this respect. There are other issues, but this isn't a phd thesis.

Look at it this way...If the U.S was 95% white, one of the top 5 the wealthiest nations in the world due to oil (rather than productivity or science), and admittedly did a good job of sharing that wealth among it's white citizens, BUT had xenophobic immigration rules, and had severe problems integrating non-whites, and serious problems with women's rights - would you consider the U.S. a socially liberal place? Answer honestly.

I think some people have to get out of the educational rut that there are one or two nations superior to all others in all ways. Some feel this way about the U.S. Some feel this way about Scandinavia, some feel this way about Europe. In ALL cases, such people are ignorant rednecks.
 
2012-07-04 04:47:22 AM  

Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture


Pretty much the only explanation. We should respect and support the French, as without them, we never would have won our war for independence against England.
 
2012-07-04 05:02:23 AM  

No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.


Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)

Oh, and subby, gay people beeing fabulous and France surrenders?
yeah, jokes get even funnyer if you make them a hundred time I supose.
The joy of alzheimer.
 
2012-07-04 05:21:11 AM  

On-Off: No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.

Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)


If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.
 
2012-07-04 05:23:03 AM  

On-Off: No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.

Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)

Oh, and subby, gay people beeing fabulous and France surrenders?
yeah, jokes get even funnyer if you make them a hundred time I supose.
The joy of alzheimer.


www.madmann.com
 
2012-07-04 05:33:07 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.


You are on something here.
I'm not parisian, but french enouch. Need some help? I'd LOVE to do this.
Actualy, Sasha Baron-Cohen would be your best casting, but he is to famous yet.
 
2012-07-04 05:48:16 AM  

coeyagi: Taking bets!


To add to your betting tables, Australia wouldn't wipe its own ass without America's stamp of approval and has no socially liberal political parties, so it'll definitely place behind the US.
 
2012-07-04 06:18:51 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture

Pretty much the only explanation. We should respect and support the French, as without them, we never would have won our war for independence against England.


Yeah, the fact that they are a successful society with a very high standard of living, that they live in a fantastic country filled with wonderful, charming cities, have a great cuisine, wrote the book on wine, invented the BJ and are over represented with hot kinky women doesn't hurt, either.

/they really do say ooh la la when excited
 
2012-07-04 06:21:54 AM  

TenJed_77: If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.


In France you wow before the Mayor of your town or a member of the town-council, an elected by the people official. I feel this is important.
You can, if you want, make another ceremony for your God(s).

Welcome to Fark?
Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".
I've nothing against poking fun, and I don't assume subby is homophobe or racist, but please, try to be funny.
There has to be more than just one joke on each topic.
This is not offensive.
It's just lame
 
2012-07-04 06:24:19 AM  

On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".


Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.
 
2012-07-04 06:29:40 AM  

Fano: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general


No, you despicable, hateful, liar.
The second development to note is that INED, France's National Institute of Demographic Studies, has done some detailed research and concluded that France's immigrant population is responsible for only 5 percent of the rise in the birthrate and that France's population would be rising anyway even without the immigrant population.

That is important in a country where the number of immigrants from traditionally Muslim countries and their French-born children and grandchildren is now reckoned to be more than 6 million from a total population of 60.7 million. The anti-immigration Front National Party has claimed the rise in births came from Muslims, who were thus on track to become an eventual majority, and this appears not to be the case.

In fact in France, like everywhere else in Europe, the birthrate among immigrant mothers drops quickly toward the local norm in less than two generations. The measure most commonly used in international statistics is the Total Fertility Rate, which seeks to measure the number of children born to the average woman in her fertile years. (The formal definition of TFR is the average number of children a woman would have during her reproductive lifetime if current age-specific fertility rates remained constant over her reproductive life.)

In France, the TFR has risen from 1.66 in 1993 to 2.0 in 2003 and 2.1 last year. If maintained, that means the population of France will rise from 60.7 million today to 70 million sometime before 2050.

The United Nations' own projections demonstrate the impact of TFR. If the global rate falls to 2.1, the level of a stable population, then by 2050 the world population will be 11 billion and will remain stable.

If the global TFR falls to 1.6 (about Europe's level today), then the world population in 2050 will be 8 billion and falling. But if the global TFR rate remains at 2.6 (about where it is today) then the world population in 2050 will be 27 billion (four times more than today) and rising.

The birthrates of Muslim women in Europe have been falling significantly for some time. In the Netherlands, for example, the TFR among Dutch-born women rose between 1990 and 2005 from 1.6 to 1.7. In the same period for Moroccan-born women in Holland it fell from 4.9 to 2.9, and for Turkish-born women in Holland from 3.2 to 1.9.

In Austria, the TFR of Muslim women fell from 3.1 to 2.3 from 1981 to 2001. In 1970 Turkish-born women in Germany had on average two children more than German-born women. By 1996 the difference had fallen to one child and has now dropped to 0.5. These sharp falls reflect important cultural shifts, which include the impact of universal female education, rising living standards, the effect of local cultural norms and availability of contraception.Source


And that was four years ago. I'll see if I can find something newer, if you're interested. Here in Denmark the birthrates for immigrant women has now fallen below that of ethnic Danes, and I think the same is true in several other European countries. So basically, what I'm saying is you need to find something else to rant about. The muslims are not going to breed us out of existence.



But back on subject, Danmark recently legalized gay marriage too (we've had registered partnerships giving gay couples the same rights as straight couples for decades, and some priests have offered blessings of gay couples in a ceremony that closely resembles the traditional wedding ceremony without being sanctioned by church leaders), and this is how one of my local churches reacted:

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The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."
 
2012-07-04 07:05:09 AM  
On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".

Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.


www.motifake.com
And we'll not forget this one...
www.muzakblog.com
 
2012-07-04 07:09:28 AM  
Finally something fance does I agree with!

It's a festivas miracle!
 
2012-07-04 07:15:19 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.

In France you wow before the Mayor of your town or a member of the town-council, an elected by the people official. I feel this is important.
You can, if you want, make another ceremony for your God(s).

Memes aside, I was stating it more for clarification than anything else. And as a marriage license is just a contract, why need the mayor? As long as it is witnessed and filed that should be more than enough.
/atheist
//who cares how long you've been here
///memes are funny and new ones are always being created
///you'll get over it
 
2012-07-04 07:21:23 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.



Two things -

1) According to a 2011 national gallup poll, 71% of Americans have a favorable or very favorable opinion of France. I don't see a reason to make spread hate where it doesn't exist. Someone might believe your lies, and that fosters more hard feelings, which causes more people to spread hateful lies, etc. Please stop preaching hate.

2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.
 
2012-07-04 07:27:27 AM  

Dansker: The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."


That's what being on the right side of history looks like.
 
2012-07-04 07:32:18 AM  

Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French


I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.
 
2012-07-04 07:36:16 AM  

intelligent comment below: And those people are few and far between, and just as dumb as you

If you were seriously trying to make an argument, you failed, as usual


Ahh, the good old 'you said something I didn't like so you're stupid' come back. It never gets old. This is why I usually don't come back to see what people said.

Few and far between means everything when anti-gay rights measures pass in a state like California. Of the 53~% of the voters in CA that voted in favor of denying rights to gays you only have to convince 4-5% of them to change their mind. Every single solitary thing that affects the issue even slightly matters and if you don't think so you don't understand the issue as well as you think you do.

ontariolightning: Well, its nice that you have a theory even though it sucks

Why would they concentrate on France when Canada (largest trading partner & neighbour) has had gay marriage country wide since 2005?


When was the last time you heard of American animosity toward Canada?

If this had been England you would have gotten the opposite effect, more 'middle ground' people in the United States moving toward favoring gay rights. While another country, say, Iceland, or Sweden, or something wouldn't affect things one way or the others.

And before any numbskull shows up to go "LOLZ! Its already legal in one of the countries you named!!", I'm just using examples, so give it up.
 
2012-07-04 07:37:09 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.


Two things -

1) According to a 2011 national gallup poll, 71% of Americans have a favorable or very favorable opinion of France. I don't see a reason to make spread hate where it doesn't exist. Someone might believe your lies, and that fosters more hard feelings, which causes more people to spread hateful lies, etc. Please stop preaching hate.

2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.


„Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?

And the US is progressive, but we have to fight for every inch. And we have to be vigilant at every turn, and we need a strong, alert and vigilant populace to keep us from backsliding.

Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.

We are progressive, but only on a razors edge, and there are always a large group just waiting for the chance to illegalize abortion and homosexuality, create a theocracy or a fascist state, take science out of the schol books etc etc.

You don't get this over here in Western Europe. It's a lot less noisy.
 
2012-07-04 07:43:34 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.


We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that. Half of this country now actively opposes any forward progress and conservative pundits have worked to make "progressive" synonymous with "evil".

I've a feeling I'll be posting this a lot in the future: The "It's not, but it could be" speech from The Newsroom.
 
2012-07-04 07:47:10 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.


I think the "freedom fries BS" during the run-up to the Iraq war proves that it's very real in some quarters.
 
2012-07-04 07:48:11 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French

I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.


You guys dont remember the run up tot he Iraqi invastion in 2003 do you?

You remember the cases of French wine protestors poured into rivers on Fox?
The "We saved yer butts in ww2 and this is how your repay us" Derp?
You remember the fruitbat FL congresswoman who wanted to have all our GIs disinterred from French soil and returned to the US?
Freedom Fries?
Old Europe?

While this was the high water mark of American post 9-11 hysteria, the Haters on the Right gravitated towards the French, even though the Germans were just as against our invasion. Why? Because they epitomize all the things the American Right hates and fears, and are living proof their fears and lies are Bullshiat; theyre traditional but not religious (two go hand in hand to the American right and cant exist without the other), they have "soshulizsm" like nice long vacations, single payer health care, govt provided this that and the other and yet STILL have a strong economy... the Right LOVES to hate the French because the French system, by its existence, makes them look bad since they exist.

This, when coupled with the political noise that has accompanied the post ww2 US French political relationship (which has been complicated, more so than the UK and the German/ Us relationships have been), the French are the perfect target for anti europeanism whenever it becomes popular.
 
2012-07-04 07:52:10 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Dansker: The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."

That's what being on the right side of history looks like.


But to be fair, and so it doesn't look like I came here to gloat, it has taken quite a while to get here.

In the '50s, homosexuality was still illegal and could cost you your job and your reputation, leading to some horrible human tragedies. Danish police back then spend a lot of time keeping a close eyes on public toilets and bath-halls, carefully watching all those naked men for though secret peep holes for hours and hours, just so see if they started gently caressing each other's... anyway, in the early '70s, the local police in the nation's second largest city would still arrest men just for dancing together in public. Registered Partnership didn't become law until the late '80s. We only got round to allowing gay adoption two years ago, and now finally this for full equality. So it's not exactly like we've been rushing to get here.
 
2012-07-04 07:58:42 AM  

Father_Jack: „Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?


Much less so than flat out saying that Americans have disdain for French. Dontcha think?


Father_Jack: Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.



It has been a contentious issue wherever it is, though it shouldn't be. There was massive apprehension and political wrangling and mudslinging, not just in France, but all of the E.U., over the most recent French presidential election, left vs. right. That Sarkozy got ousted paves the way for more progressive policies. But that doesn't mean it happened quietly and easily. It just means that Americans don't pay much attention to the numerous shiatstorms that happen outside our borders.

For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.
 
2012-07-04 07:58:42 AM  

Dansker: ...carefully watching all those naked men for though through secret peep holes for hours...


There you go.
 
2012-07-04 08:00:20 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.

We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that. Half of this country now actively opposes any forward progress and conservative pundits have worked to make "progressive" synonymous with "evil".

I've a feeling I'll be posting this a lot in the future: The "It's not, but it could be" speech from The Newsroom.


The thing though, is that as a country we've always moved forward with one half of the population kicking and screaming and fighting along the way (only to try to re-write history 50 years later to try and pretend that they were on the side of progress all along). I mean, what other country fought a bloody and divisive war in order to end slavery? America is good at many things, but making progress seem easy is not one of them.

I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.
 
2012-07-04 08:02:52 AM  

whidbey: Jim_Callahan: pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.

Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

The 10th Amendment isn't going to help the anti gay marriage cause. Neither the states nor the people have the "right" to discriminate against American citizens.


You can explain that to them a million times, Whid - they aren't going to get it. They think that "states rights" means that the states can operate like little nations, making all their own laws and granting or denying their citizens rights according to whim. The only issue where they grasp the concept is gun control.
 
2012-07-04 08:03:47 AM  

Father_Jack: You guys dont remember the run up tot he Iraqi invastion in 2003 do you?


Yes, There was definitely a dip 10 years ago down into the 50% approval range. On either side of that one time dip, both before and after, it is, as it has historically been, a highly favorable view.

Using the one time dip (on both sides of the Ocean, btw, not just in the U.S.) as an excuse to foster more hate is, well, hateful.
 
2012-07-04 08:05:51 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: „Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?

Much less so than flat out saying that Americans have disdain for French. Dontcha think?


Father_Jack: Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.


It has been a contentious issue wherever it is, though it shouldn't be. There was massive apprehension and political wrangling and mudslinging, not just in France, but all of the E.U., over the most recent French presidential election, left vs. right. That Sarkozy got ousted paves the way for more progressive policies. But that doesn't mean it happened quietly and easily. It just means that Americans don't pay much attention to the numerous shiatstorms that happen outside our borders.

For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.


It's the flip side of "American Exceptionalism". Both are equally stupid.
 
2012-07-04 08:07:26 AM  

TenJed_77: Lighten up, Frenchis.


NO I WON'T

www.figarospeech.com
 
2012-07-04 08:12:01 AM  

rynthetyn: I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.


I don't even think it will take that long. he shift has already begun, in large part because young evangelicals DON'T CARE about these sort of social issues (they're more concerned with... being good Christians), so the smart leaders are already shifting their footing.

As far as the notion that we were once a progressive country, I was thinking of the period from the end of WWII to about 1975, when we really seemed to be willing to do whatever it took to move forward as a nation. Yes, there were hard-fought battles for civil right during that period and a lot of good men ended up dead, but we were looking to the future.

Now, when our president talks about what we need to do to make the country better in the next 5-20 years, he gets attacked for it.

Dansker: In the '50s, homosexuality was still illegal and could cost you your job and your reputation, leading to some horrible human tragedies. Danish police back then spend a lot of time keeping a close eyes on public toilets and bath-halls, carefully watching all those naked men for though secret peep holes for hours and hours, just so see if they started gently caressing each other's... anyway, in the early '70s, the local police in the nation's second largest city would still arrest men just for dancing together in public. Registered Partnership didn't become law until the late '80s. We only got round to allowing gay adoption two years ago, and now finally this for full equality. So it's not exactly like we've been rushing to get here.


That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.
 
2012-07-04 08:17:14 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that.


I am more referring to the "on the entire planet" wording. Go back and read what I actually responded to.

But sure, if you select just the top most progressive nations, the cream of the crop, so to speak, then yes, the U.S. is admittedly slower to adopt some progressive policies than more homogeneous wealthy nations with 1/10th the population. Agreed. Faster on others, such as women's rights and immigration.

But out of 140 odd nations on the planet, as in the post I responded too? Yes, the U.S. is among the topmost. Unless you seriously want to try to make an argument that a 120 or so nations in Asia, South America, and Africa, and the Middle East have a better record of women's right's, gay rights, racial integration, etc.
 
2012-07-04 08:20:02 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-07-04 08:22:49 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.


fun fact: the "Paragraph 175" making homosexuality ilegal was repeled sooner in the totalitary GDR as in the Bundesrepublik.
They had abortion right, to, but everyone "forgot " about this at the time of the reunification - wich was in this light rather an anexion
 
2012-07-04 08:26:04 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".

Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.


I've been here for a very, very long time, and France has been surrendering here since before I even showed up. welcome to fark, indeed.
 
2012-07-04 08:31:04 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Gays have been able to marry in the U.S. for many years.

Not all parts of the U.S. But that first sentence is a fact.

So another nation the size of a U.S. state adopts the same policy as some U.S. states. And then people act amazed it takes a nation of 50 such states acting in unison a little longer. Duh.


We'd be better off if BOTH sides stopped preaching hatred and stupidity.


50 states don't need to act "in unison" to make this happen. There are at least two ways in which something like this could be accomplished, virtually instantly, via Federal action (legislative or judicial). So that's not a particularly good excuse.
 
2012-07-04 08:33:33 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.


And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.
I'm not saying the US sucks and France is wonderful, I just like facts.
 
2012-07-04 08:33:41 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer


I think the Supreme Court would uphold it if congress just taxes you if you don't get gay married.
 
2012-07-04 08:38:04 AM  

Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.


Yep, I never said different. I said income inequality is also a problem in France also, and they regularly riot over it. I didn't disagree that it is a problem in the U.S., which it is.

Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.
 
2012-07-04 08:38:10 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: But out of 140 odd nations on the planet, as in the post I responded too?


There are closer to 210 countries (give or take) at the moment.

Go back and watch the clip from the Newsroom I posted. In it is just a few things we're not at the top of the list on.
 
2012-07-04 08:40:38 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: France also, and they regularly riot over it.


The French will riot over more or less anything. I was in Paris a decade ago and the firefighters were "rioting" over changes the French government wanted to make to their contract, which would have made them less safe (they included things like cutting back on training for new recruits).

This is not a bad thing.
 
2012-07-04 08:41:11 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kinda went off the rails for them.


Yeah, kinda, sorta.
You know, with that sense for understatements you could almost pass as a Dane. Take that however you like.
 
2012-07-04 08:43:12 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Go back and watch the clip from the Newsroom I posted. In it is just a few things we're not at the top of the list on.


If it makes you happier, I agree the U.S. is not the best at everything. :-)

(Although, it might make you unhappy to find out that no nation is the best at everything, which puts the U.S. in very good company.)
 
2012-07-04 08:43:33 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.

Yep, I never said different. I said income inequality is also a problem in France also, and they regularly riot over it. I didn't disagree that it is a problem in the U.S., which it is.

Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.


C'mon, there are a few more, but I already had you marked in green, so I know you're one of the good ones.
 
2012-07-04 08:51:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: rynthetyn: I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.

I don't even think it will take that long. he shift has already begun, in large part because young evangelicals DON'T CARE about these sort of social issues (they're more concerned with... being good Christians), so the smart leaders are already shifting their footing.

As far as the notion that we were once a progressive country, I was thinking of the period from the end of WWII to about 1975, when we really seemed to be willing to do whatever it took to move forward as a nation. Yes, there were hard-fought battles for civil right during that period and a lot of good men ended up dead, but we were looking to the future.

Now, when our president talks about what we need to do to make the country better in the next 5-20 years, he gets attacked for it.


I'm inclined to think that 30-40 years from now our children will be posting on FutureFark saying the same thing about this era that we're saying about the post-WWII era--that there were hard-fought battles but we were looking to the future. We have the benefit of knowing how everything turned out, but when they were in the middle of it I don't think it was so obvious that it would end like it did. Forty years from now people aren't going to remember just how divided the country was and how much the president got attacked, what they're going to remember is that this was the era when America started down the path to universal healthcare and finally gave LGBT people equal rights. The people fighting tooth and nail to stop progress will warrant a few lines in the history books but other than that, everybody will forget just how bad this era was just like we have forgotten just how bad the 60s and 70s were.

As far as young evangelicals go, we're at a weird time right now where yeah, a lot of young evangelicals don't care enough to take up the activism torch from their elders, but at the same time are continuing to cast anti-gay votes at the ballot box. I've had a few conversations online with one of my college friends who is entirely genuine in feeling bad about the anti-gay rhetoric in the church, feels bad when I express the fact that the evangelical church makes me feel unwelcome, but can't get it through his head that insisting that marriage is between a man and a woman inherently keeps me a second class citizen. It's progress, but it's still a ways to go before the younger generation of evangelicals actually gets fully on board for LGBT rights.
 
2012-07-04 09:08:02 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.


lol
 
2012-07-04 09:12:32 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: Lighten up, Frenchis.

NO I WON'T

[www.figarospeech.com image 146x157]


That wasn't my comment but whatever.
cbertel.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-04 09:22:22 AM  

Father_Jack: ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.

lol


Hey, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it.

Look, I understand you dislike what I am saying. (though i don't understand, yet, why.) It wasn't hard to pick up on from the nitpicky disagreements, and now nebulous mocking. If you have a specific disagreement with my post go ahead and post it.
 
2012-07-04 09:42:44 AM  

TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.


not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?
 
2012-07-04 09:45:48 AM  

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Actually, mongoloid, the people against gay marriage are already against France. They're called Republicans. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-07-04 09:52:27 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?



-M'en fous c'est pas mon image
-C'est quand le dernier fois tu veut quelqu'un fumé des Gitanes?
-C'est l'été il fais chaud dan la Val de Loire
-Ça dépend du fromage
C'est pas de tout le sujet en main
 
2012-07-04 09:54:21 AM  

TenJed_77: On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?


-M'en fous c'est pas mon image
-C'est quand le dernier fois que tu a vu quelqu'un fumé des Gitanes?
-C'est l'été il fais chaud dan la Val de Loire
-Ça dépend du fromage
C'est pas de tout le sujet en main


Je corrige.
 
2012-07-04 09:55:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.

lol

Hey, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it.

Look, I understand you dislike what I am saying. (though i don't understand, yet, why.) It wasn't hard to pick up on from the nitpicky disagreements, and now nebulous mocking. If you have a specific disagreement with my post go ahead and post it.


i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz
 
2012-07-04 09:57:17 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?


so much win in this.
 
2012-07-04 09:57:32 AM  

TenJed_77: C'est pas de tout le sujet en main


oh, ah, nevermind.
We only eat the cheese, so, it is of no concern how mature is it.
he he
 
2012-07-04 10:01:15 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: C'est pas de tout le sujet en main

oh, ah, nevermind.
We only eat the cheese, so, it is of no concern how mature is it.
he he


3.bp.blogspot.com

4.static.quoi.info
 
2012-07-04 10:05:26 AM  

intelligent comment below: bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.


Who do you think is going to issue a marriage license?


The guy from the Ministry of Housinge
 
2012-07-04 10:23:12 AM  

Father_Jack: i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz



Hmmmm, my browser must be up to some tricks. I did several CTL-F searches for all posts by Father_Jack and don't see which post it was I didn't respond to. And you don't seem to have a post at the stated time of 08:09:41 AM. There was one earlier that, that I responded to. And one later than that, that I responded to.

And I'm not patting myself or anyone else on the back. I'm just wondering what 'lol' was supposed to mean. Again, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it. And I honstly don't understand why you are becoming increasingly insulting. What did I say that pissed you off so much?
 
2012-07-04 10:31:00 AM  

coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!


Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.
 
2012-07-04 10:33:28 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


Nice photo. Also appropriate because a rainbow is a reminder of how God drowned the entire world because we pissed him off. A vengeful God will smite the French for allowing people that love each other get married.
 
2012-07-04 10:37:36 AM  

mrshowrules: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.


Yes, someone picked that way upthread. But, consider this, in epic ironic fashion, they may actually have the highest concentration of homosexuals of any country.
 
2012-07-04 10:38:27 AM  

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Or, France could lead a European economic resurgence linked to a renaissance of modern tolerance. It is sorta what they do throughout history with the US typically playing catch-up.
 
2012-07-04 10:50:06 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre
ontariolightning:
And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world

Yes, they have impressive socialization of their oil wealth among their 95% white population. Let's get that out of the way.


Yeah, Sweden and Finland are known for their oil wealth.

In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies. They are perhaps half a century behind the U.S. in this respect.

Didn't hear that before; but I wonder if that's really a case of "still expected to" or rather a matter of "can afford to" and "not looked down upon for"?
 
2012-07-04 10:58:30 AM  

coeyagi: mrshowrules: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.

Yes, someone picked that way upthread. But, consider this, in epic ironic fashion, they may actually have the highest concentration of homosexuals of any country.


True, but I bet if you are a gay man cruising you will have better luck in the clubs surrounding any GOP Convention.
 
2012-07-04 11:11:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz


Hmmmm, my browser must be up to some tricks. I did several CTL-F searches for all posts by Father_Jack and don't see which post it was I didn't respond to. And you don't seem to have a post at the stated time of 08:09:41 AM. There was one earlier that, that I responded to. And one later than that, that I responded to.

And I'm not patting myself or anyone else on the back. I'm just wondering what 'lol' was supposed to mean. Again, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it. And I honstly don't understand why you are becoming increasingly insulting. What did I say that pissed you off so much?




Heh. No worries man. I think it all boils down to one thing: WTF DOES HYPERBOLE MEAN?

The one I don't think you responded to is about 4 posts above the YOU DON'T SAY pic I posted, directly under the Monty Python French guy.

And I think youre unclear on what hyperbole means, which may be why we're missing eachother. The part above in bold is not true sir.

Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression.

Ie, "France is the worst country ever! THEY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!" That's a hyperbole. Saying "Americans don't like the French" isn't hyperbole. It's a generalization. Or indeed, saying that "disagreeing with the French" is "spreading hate speech" is also, in its own way, hyperbole. Its using overly dramatic language for something which really isn't so dramatic.

So then in your subsequent post you said you were not into hyperbole, after saying "Americans don't like the French" was hate speech.

Ergo my "lol":
 
2012-07-04 11:47:07 AM  

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


"Oh la la!"

/I'm sorry.
 
2012-07-04 12:10:59 PM  
When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.
 
2012-07-04 12:18:49 PM  

ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.


Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
 
2012-07-04 12:26:33 PM  
mrshowrules: I know man, i know. I wanted to ask him when the last time was he went to Joe's Crab Shack, because that dude loves him some seafood.
 
2012-07-04 12:40:04 PM  

ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.


You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.
 
2012-07-04 12:56:56 PM  
France surrenders to fabulousness

All your France are belong to ME, biatches!!
 
2012-07-04 01:26:21 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: They also are not as progressive as the U.S. on women's rights. In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies.


Seriously? Countries that offer paid maternety leave for men are behind the US in gender equality? Also, there are only three Scandinavian countries, so which "lots" are you talking about?
Maybe you're not that fond of facts afterall, but I've never been a really good judge of character.
 
2012-07-04 01:31:45 PM  
maternity leave for men

I suppose that should technically be paternity leave. D'oh.
 
2012-07-04 01:33:23 PM  

ravenlore: mrshowrules: I know man, i know. I wanted to ask him when the last time was he went to Joe's Crab Shack, because that dude loves him some seafood.


Yet the bible has no issue with raping your slaves. If God exists, I would take my chances with Satan in hell.
 
2012-07-04 01:36:20 PM  

mrshowrules: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)


leviticus sure knew how to throw a party
 
2012-07-04 01:43:15 PM  
Yay France!!
 
2012-07-04 01:52:32 PM  

rynthetyn: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.


I really hope so. Grew up more or less in an evangelical church, been an atheist since I was 16, and I'd gotten the feeling that there were a lot more of them today than when I grew up in the 80s.
 
2012-07-04 02:31:30 PM  
http://www.globalvisas.com/blog/the-best-countries-to-work-in-if-you-a re-a-woman.html


A report released last year by the World Economic Forum, known as the Global Gender Gap Report, ranked 135 countries from best to worst for women in the workforce. The report took into account four main factors which were educational attainment, health and survival, political empowerment and economic participation and opportunity.
The overall best country for women to work was Iceland. Scandinavian countries ranked at the very top of the list, with Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark taking the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th slots. Other countries within the top ten included New Zealand, Ireland, Switzerland and the Philippines.
 
2012-07-04 02:55:33 PM  

Dansker: Seriously? Countries that offer paid maternety leave for men are behind the US in gender equality? Also, there are only three Scandinavian countries, so which "lots" are you talking about?
Maybe you're not that fond of facts afterall, but I've never been a really good judge of character.



Sorry, I was involved in the Higgs discovery thread, which is much more fun.

I was speaking culturally, not legally. In other words the laws are as progressive or more so as anywhere, but the cultural legacy has been that men are very paternalistic about women. I gathered this through 3 independent personal sources. 2 different Danish girls (one 20, one 19 years old, one of whom I dated) who I knew at non-overlapping times in the U.S., living here temporarily as Au Pairs, neither of which knew the other. And an elderly Finnish couple living here on work visas.

All three sources seemed to indicate that while the laws said otherwise, opportunities and cultural expectations for women were not what they should be. I admit that this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable. If you feel it is wrong, I apologize and retract it within this context. I took their opinions of their own nations of citizenship at face value.

Completely unrelated, and also anecdotal - Both Danish girls loved living in the U.S. and were disappointed in eventually having to go home. The Finish couple hated the U.S. and looked forward to being able to eventually return home to Finland, which they did.
 
2012-07-04 02:56:51 PM  

TenJed_77: rynthetyn: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.

I really hope so. Grew up more or less in an evangelical church, been an atheist since I was 16, and I'd gotten the feeling that there were a lot more of them today than when I grew up in the 80s.


I don't know just how old you are or when you left the evangelical world, but when talking about derp you've got to remember that in the '80s the evangelical world was still fixated on thinking that rock music in general and metal in particular was satanic. I was born in '80, to the best of my recollection nobody even really talked about gay people at all when I was little except for whispers that conveyed the idea that it was too horrible to even discuss. The public anti-gay stuff didn't really come into play that much until there was enough LGBT visibility to start a backlash, but by the early '90s it was full scale anti-gay derp from all corners. The older half of Gen-X, baby boomer and older evangelicals are all pretty anti-gay, the teenagers and twentysomethings are starting to realize that all of the derp that they were taught is just that derp that doesn't jive with the people that they know who are gay. Polls have been suggesting that one of the primary reasons that teens and twentysomethings are leaving the church (though still identifying as Christian) is because they don't like the message of hate that the older generation is teaching.
 
2012-07-04 03:31:35 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I admit that this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable.


I'll just leave it at that then, and point you to ontariolightning's post above yours, after my personal anecdote: My experience and background is one of growing up in a small, rural, somewhat conservative provinsial town, where my mother was the only stay-at-home mom in my class. It was that rare, even in a setting like that 30-40 years ago, and even more now; women having careers is more or less a given, and, looking at the younger generations, women are even better educated than men.

Completely unrelated, and also anecdotal - Both Danish girls loved living in the U.S. and were disappointed in eventually having to go home. The Finish couple hated the U.S. and looked forward to being able to eventually return home to Finland, which they did.

Danish and Finnish culture are very different from each other. Finns are generally quiet and introspective, while Danes are considered the brash, extrovert loudmouths of Scandinavia, and much closer to an American view of life and living to begin with, even if it might not look that way from your point of view. Since the end of WWII, we have also been consumers of US cultural products in a much larger degree than Finns.
I can repay your anecdotes with this: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!", inbetween introducing episodes of the Simpsons. I bet you wouldn't hear that in Denmark.
 
2012-07-04 03:35:12 PM  
I bet you wouldn' hear that in Denmark Finland

Time to stop typing.
 
2012-07-04 04:10:25 PM  

coeyagi: [cleansingfiredor.com image 453x604]


i.imgur.com

FTFY
 
2012-07-04 04:21:46 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.



In terms of wealth disparity, womens vs mens pay, health care, poverty, civil rights, journalistic freedom, work benefits, vacation time, work hours, America is one of the lowest ranking countries in the developed nations list
 
2012-07-04 04:24:32 PM  

Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index,



Let me rant for a minute. This is one of CIA's greatest strengths. They used to pull people straight out of acadamia. Now instead they are running around coordinating drone strikes and military style attacks, renditioning suspected terrorists and hiring military douchebags to do these horrible things. The CIA now is just another military rather than a real spy and information agency.
 
2012-07-04 04:41:45 PM  

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


People who hate France also hate they gays, and vice-versa. Mainly because France seems kinda gay to them. It's a push.
 
2012-07-04 05:27:44 PM  

Dansker: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!",


This made me laugh because this morning I did not realize what day it was. (I work at home and I am very involved in a pet project at the moment. Utilizing fark as my ADHD vent, and sole social outlet.) I went grocery shopping this morning, and the clerk wished me a happy holiday. I was genuinely surprised and asked what holiday it is. They all looked at me like I had green skin and martian antennae. I was very embarrassed when I was told the answer to the unkind giggles of several people nearby.

In retrospect, I suppose that could give some indication as to the extent, or lack, of my nationalistic tendencies.
 
2012-07-04 05:31:27 PM  

intelligent comment below: In terms of wealth disparity, womens vs mens pay, health care, poverty, civil rights, journalistic freedom, work benefits, vacation time, work hours, America is one of the lowest ranking countries in the developed nations list


Okay, we are one of the the lowest ranking of the topmost ranking nations. :-)
 
2012-07-04 05:38:12 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dansker: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!",

This made me laugh because this morning I did not realize what day it was. (I work at home and I am very involved in a pet project at the moment. Utilizing fark as my ADHD vent, and sole social outlet.) I went grocery shopping this morning, and the clerk wished me a happy holiday. I was genuinely surprised and asked what holiday it is. They all looked at me like I had green skin and martian antennae. I was very embarrassed when I was told the answer to the unkind giggles of several people nearby.


Oh crap, that's bad and hilarious. Seriously, thank you for sharing, no sarcasm. And I don't want to perpetuate a myth of Violent America, but aren't there places where a social faux pas of that magnitude could be downright... erm, unhealthy?

In retrospect, I suppose that could give some indication as to the extent, or lack, of my nationalistic tendencies.

Noted:-)
 
2012-07-04 05:50:24 PM  

On-Off: There has to be more than just one joke on each topic.
This is not offensive.
It's just lame


You thought that was going to dispel the "Welcome to Fark" label you've now been straddled with...forever?

BWAHAHAHA

Go back to Reddit.
 
2012-07-04 07:26:46 PM  

TenJed_77:
[www.madmann.com image 413x413]


Is there any back story to the "welcome to fark" picture. She is a nicely assembled girl.
 
2012-07-04 08:59:00 PM  

Theaetetus: WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.

Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.


It took 'em awhile, but according to Wikipedia...

Ratification was completed on December 6, 1865. The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states:

1.Oregon (December 8, 1865)
2.California (December 19, 1865)
3.Florida (December 28, 1865, reaffirmed on June 9, 1869)
4.Iowa (January 15, 1866)
5.New Jersey (January 23, 1866, after having rejected it on March 16, 1865)
6.Texas (February 18, 1870)
7.Delaware (February 12, 1901, after having rejected it on February 8, 1865)
8.Kentucky (March 18, 1976, after having rejected it on February 24, 1865)
9.Mississippi (March 16, 1995, after having rejected it on December 5, 1865)
 
2012-07-05 01:15:37 AM  

Harry_Seldon: TenJed_77:
[www.madmann.com image 413x413]

Is there any back story to the "welcome to fark" picture. She is a nicely assembled girl.

Not that I know of, it's been running around for a long time.
 
2012-07-05 04:01:48 AM  
Pretty soon left-handed people are going to want to marry.

Can you imagine? Two lefties together?
 
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