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2012-07-04 10:37:36 AM

mrshowrules: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.


Yes, someone picked that way upthread. But, consider this, in epic ironic fashion, they may actually have the highest concentration of homosexuals of any country.
 
2012-07-04 10:38:27 AM

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Or, France could lead a European economic resurgence linked to a renaissance of modern tolerance. It is sorta what they do throughout history with the US typically playing catch-up.
 
2012-07-04 10:50:06 AM
ThrobblefootSpectre
ontariolightning:
And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world

Yes, they have impressive socialization of their oil wealth among their 95% white population. Let's get that out of the way.


Yeah, Sweden and Finland are known for their oil wealth.

In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies. They are perhaps half a century behind the U.S. in this respect.

Didn't hear that before; but I wonder if that's really a case of "still expected to" or rather a matter of "can afford to" and "not looked down upon for"?
 
2012-07-04 10:58:30 AM

coeyagi: mrshowrules: coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!

Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.

Yes, someone picked that way upthread. But, consider this, in epic ironic fashion, they may actually have the highest concentration of homosexuals of any country.


True, but I bet if you are a gay man cruising you will have better luck in the clubs surrounding any GOP Convention.
 
2012-07-04 11:11:28 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz


Hmmmm, my browser must be up to some tricks. I did several CTL-F searches for all posts by Father_Jack and don't see which post it was I didn't respond to. And you don't seem to have a post at the stated time of 08:09:41 AM. There was one earlier that, that I responded to. And one later than that, that I responded to.

And I'm not patting myself or anyone else on the back. I'm just wondering what 'lol' was supposed to mean. Again, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it. And I honstly don't understand why you are becoming increasingly insulting. What did I say that pissed you off so much?




Heh. No worries man. I think it all boils down to one thing: WTF DOES HYPERBOLE MEAN?

The one I don't think you responded to is about 4 posts above the YOU DON'T SAY pic I posted, directly under the Monty Python French guy.

And I think youre unclear on what hyperbole means, which may be why we're missing eachother. The part above in bold is not true sir.

Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression.

Ie, "France is the worst country ever! THEY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA!" That's a hyperbole. Saying "Americans don't like the French" isn't hyperbole. It's a generalization. Or indeed, saying that "disagreeing with the French" is "spreading hate speech" is also, in its own way, hyperbole. Its using overly dramatic language for something which really isn't so dramatic.

So then in your subsequent post you said you were not into hyperbole, after saying "Americans don't like the French" was hate speech.

Ergo my "lol":
 
2012-07-04 11:47:07 AM

phunkey_monkey: Can you hear the French homosexual pedophiles cheering?


"Oh la la!"

/I'm sorry.
 
2012-07-04 12:10:59 PM
When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.
 
2012-07-04 12:18:49 PM

ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.


Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
 
2012-07-04 12:26:33 PM
mrshowrules: I know man, i know. I wanted to ask him when the last time was he went to Joe's Crab Shack, because that dude loves him some seafood.
 
2012-07-04 12:40:04 PM

ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.


You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.
 
2012-07-04 12:56:56 PM
France surrenders to fabulousness

All your France are belong to ME, biatches!!
 
2012-07-04 01:26:21 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: They also are not as progressive as the U.S. on women's rights. In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies.


Seriously? Countries that offer paid maternety leave for men are behind the US in gender equality? Also, there are only three Scandinavian countries, so which "lots" are you talking about?
Maybe you're not that fond of facts afterall, but I've never been a really good judge of character.
 
2012-07-04 01:31:45 PM
maternity leave for men

I suppose that should technically be paternity leave. D'oh.
 
2012-07-04 01:33:23 PM

ravenlore: mrshowrules: I know man, i know. I wanted to ask him when the last time was he went to Joe's Crab Shack, because that dude loves him some seafood.


Yet the bible has no issue with raping your slaves. If God exists, I would take my chances with Satan in hell.
 
2012-07-04 01:36:20 PM

mrshowrules: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)


leviticus sure knew how to throw a party
 
2012-07-04 01:43:15 PM
Yay France!!
 
2012-07-04 01:52:32 PM

rynthetyn: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.


I really hope so. Grew up more or less in an evangelical church, been an atheist since I was 16, and I'd gotten the feeling that there were a lot more of them today than when I grew up in the 80s.
 
2012-07-04 02:31:30 PM
http://www.globalvisas.com/blog/the-best-countries-to-work-in-if-you-a re-a-woman.html


A report released last year by the World Economic Forum, known as the Global Gender Gap Report, ranked 135 countries from best to worst for women in the workforce. The report took into account four main factors which were educational attainment, health and survival, political empowerment and economic participation and opportunity.
The overall best country for women to work was Iceland. Scandinavian countries ranked at the very top of the list, with Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark taking the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th slots. Other countries within the top ten included New Zealand, Ireland, Switzerland and the Philippines.
 
2012-07-04 02:55:33 PM

Dansker: Seriously? Countries that offer paid maternety leave for men are behind the US in gender equality? Also, there are only three Scandinavian countries, so which "lots" are you talking about?
Maybe you're not that fond of facts afterall, but I've never been a really good judge of character.



Sorry, I was involved in the Higgs discovery thread, which is much more fun.

I was speaking culturally, not legally. In other words the laws are as progressive or more so as anywhere, but the cultural legacy has been that men are very paternalistic about women. I gathered this through 3 independent personal sources. 2 different Danish girls (one 20, one 19 years old, one of whom I dated) who I knew at non-overlapping times in the U.S., living here temporarily as Au Pairs, neither of which knew the other. And an elderly Finnish couple living here on work visas.

All three sources seemed to indicate that while the laws said otherwise, opportunities and cultural expectations for women were not what they should be. I admit that this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable. If you feel it is wrong, I apologize and retract it within this context. I took their opinions of their own nations of citizenship at face value.

Completely unrelated, and also anecdotal - Both Danish girls loved living in the U.S. and were disappointed in eventually having to go home. The Finish couple hated the U.S. and looked forward to being able to eventually return home to Finland, which they did.
 
2012-07-04 02:56:51 PM

TenJed_77: rynthetyn: ravenlore: When I hear this talk of young Evangelicals moving toward not hating GLBT folks, I can't help but think of a guy I unfriended on facebook last week. Dude was a friend, ten years ago. I went to dinner every Friday with him and his then-girfriend, now-wife. I pet-sat for them when they went on their honeymoon. Guy's five years younger than me.

He's always been baptist, but in the last five years or so...he's gone Derp, hardcore. When I posted pics of the Minneapolis 35W bridge illuminated for Pride, he went off about how it was "absolutely appalling that an entire city has decided to stand up and in voice scream at the top of their lungs, 'we hate God's word'."

It was at that point I unfriended him. And my hope for young Christians was dimmed a bit.

You've got to look at the aggregate though, not just at one person. There are definitely derpy young evangelicals--heck, I got unfriended on Facebook by one of my young relatives who didn't like that I was criticizing the evangelical church for how gay kids get treated--but on average there are fewer derpy young evangelicals than there are derpy older evangelicals.

I really hope so. Grew up more or less in an evangelical church, been an atheist since I was 16, and I'd gotten the feeling that there were a lot more of them today than when I grew up in the 80s.


I don't know just how old you are or when you left the evangelical world, but when talking about derp you've got to remember that in the '80s the evangelical world was still fixated on thinking that rock music in general and metal in particular was satanic. I was born in '80, to the best of my recollection nobody even really talked about gay people at all when I was little except for whispers that conveyed the idea that it was too horrible to even discuss. The public anti-gay stuff didn't really come into play that much until there was enough LGBT visibility to start a backlash, but by the early '90s it was full scale anti-gay derp from all corners. The older half of Gen-X, baby boomer and older evangelicals are all pretty anti-gay, the teenagers and twentysomethings are starting to realize that all of the derp that they were taught is just that derp that doesn't jive with the people that they know who are gay. Polls have been suggesting that one of the primary reasons that teens and twentysomethings are leaving the church (though still identifying as Christian) is because they don't like the message of hate that the older generation is teaching.
 
2012-07-04 03:31:35 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: I admit that this is completely anecdotal and unverifiable.


I'll just leave it at that then, and point you to ontariolightning's post above yours, after my personal anecdote: My experience and background is one of growing up in a small, rural, somewhat conservative provinsial town, where my mother was the only stay-at-home mom in my class. It was that rare, even in a setting like that 30-40 years ago, and even more now; women having careers is more or less a given, and, looking at the younger generations, women are even better educated than men.

Completely unrelated, and also anecdotal - Both Danish girls loved living in the U.S. and were disappointed in eventually having to go home. The Finish couple hated the U.S. and looked forward to being able to eventually return home to Finland, which they did.

Danish and Finnish culture are very different from each other. Finns are generally quiet and introspective, while Danes are considered the brash, extrovert loudmouths of Scandinavia, and much closer to an American view of life and living to begin with, even if it might not look that way from your point of view. Since the end of WWII, we have also been consumers of US cultural products in a much larger degree than Finns.
I can repay your anecdotes with this: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!", inbetween introducing episodes of the Simpsons. I bet you wouldn't hear that in Denmark.
 
2012-07-04 03:35:12 PM
I bet you wouldn' hear that in Denmark Finland

Time to stop typing.
 
2012-07-04 04:10:25 PM

coeyagi: [cleansingfiredor.com image 453x604]


i.imgur.com

FTFY
 
2012-07-04 04:21:46 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.



In terms of wealth disparity, womens vs mens pay, health care, poverty, civil rights, journalistic freedom, work benefits, vacation time, work hours, America is one of the lowest ranking countries in the developed nations list
 
2012-07-04 04:24:32 PM

Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index,



Let me rant for a minute. This is one of CIA's greatest strengths. They used to pull people straight out of acadamia. Now instead they are running around coordinating drone strikes and military style attacks, renditioning suspected terrorists and hiring military douchebags to do these horrible things. The CIA now is just another military rather than a real spy and information agency.
 
2012-07-04 04:41:45 PM

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


People who hate France also hate they gays, and vice-versa. Mainly because France seems kinda gay to them. It's a push.
 
2012-07-04 05:27:44 PM

Dansker: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!",


This made me laugh because this morning I did not realize what day it was. (I work at home and I am very involved in a pet project at the moment. Utilizing fark as my ADHD vent, and sole social outlet.) I went grocery shopping this morning, and the clerk wished me a happy holiday. I was genuinely surprised and asked what holiday it is. They all looked at me like I had green skin and martian antennae. I was very embarrassed when I was told the answer to the unkind giggles of several people nearby.

In retrospect, I suppose that could give some indication as to the extent, or lack, of my nationalistic tendencies.
 
2012-07-04 05:31:27 PM

intelligent comment below: In terms of wealth disparity, womens vs mens pay, health care, poverty, civil rights, journalistic freedom, work benefits, vacation time, work hours, America is one of the lowest ranking countries in the developed nations list


Okay, we are one of the the lowest ranking of the topmost ranking nations. :-)
 
2012-07-04 05:38:12 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dansker: A few hours ago I heard a presenter on Danish commercial television say "Cheers for American indepence, and cheers for our dependence on all things American!",

This made me laugh because this morning I did not realize what day it was. (I work at home and I am very involved in a pet project at the moment. Utilizing fark as my ADHD vent, and sole social outlet.) I went grocery shopping this morning, and the clerk wished me a happy holiday. I was genuinely surprised and asked what holiday it is. They all looked at me like I had green skin and martian antennae. I was very embarrassed when I was told the answer to the unkind giggles of several people nearby.


Oh crap, that's bad and hilarious. Seriously, thank you for sharing, no sarcasm. And I don't want to perpetuate a myth of Violent America, but aren't there places where a social faux pas of that magnitude could be downright... erm, unhealthy?

In retrospect, I suppose that could give some indication as to the extent, or lack, of my nationalistic tendencies.

Noted:-)
 
2012-07-04 05:50:24 PM

On-Off: There has to be more than just one joke on each topic.
This is not offensive.
It's just lame


You thought that was going to dispel the "Welcome to Fark" label you've now been straddled with...forever?

BWAHAHAHA

Go back to Reddit.
 
2012-07-04 07:26:46 PM

TenJed_77:
[www.madmann.com image 413x413]


Is there any back story to the "welcome to fark" picture. She is a nicely assembled girl.
 
2012-07-04 08:59:00 PM

Theaetetus: WorldCitizen: I suppose you think the states should have been able to vote individually on things like segregation? Southern states MIGHT have finally voted against segregation by now.

Mississippi still hasn't ratified the 13th Amendment.


It took 'em awhile, but according to Wikipedia...

Ratification was completed on December 6, 1865. The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states:

1.Oregon (December 8, 1865)
2.California (December 19, 1865)
3.Florida (December 28, 1865, reaffirmed on June 9, 1869)
4.Iowa (January 15, 1866)
5.New Jersey (January 23, 1866, after having rejected it on March 16, 1865)
6.Texas (February 18, 1870)
7.Delaware (February 12, 1901, after having rejected it on February 8, 1865)
8.Kentucky (March 18, 1976, after having rejected it on February 24, 1865)
9.Mississippi (March 16, 1995, after having rejected it on December 5, 1865)
 
2012-07-05 01:15:37 AM

Harry_Seldon: TenJed_77:
[www.madmann.com image 413x413]

Is there any back story to the "welcome to fark" picture. She is a nicely assembled girl.

Not that I know of, it's been running around for a long time.
 
2012-07-05 04:01:48 AM
Pretty soon left-handed people are going to want to marry.

Can you imagine? Two lefties together?
 
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