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2012-07-04 06:29:40 AM  

Fano: wyltoknow: Ahh, another country falls to the gay agenda. Your nuclear families are next, breeders! Muahahaha!

The only breeders in France are Algerian or muslim in general


No, you despicable, hateful, liar.
The second development to note is that INED, France's National Institute of Demographic Studies, has done some detailed research and concluded that France's immigrant population is responsible for only 5 percent of the rise in the birthrate and that France's population would be rising anyway even without the immigrant population.

That is important in a country where the number of immigrants from traditionally Muslim countries and their French-born children and grandchildren is now reckoned to be more than 6 million from a total population of 60.7 million. The anti-immigration Front National Party has claimed the rise in births came from Muslims, who were thus on track to become an eventual majority, and this appears not to be the case.

In fact in France, like everywhere else in Europe, the birthrate among immigrant mothers drops quickly toward the local norm in less than two generations. The measure most commonly used in international statistics is the Total Fertility Rate, which seeks to measure the number of children born to the average woman in her fertile years. (The formal definition of TFR is the average number of children a woman would have during her reproductive lifetime if current age-specific fertility rates remained constant over her reproductive life.)

In France, the TFR has risen from 1.66 in 1993 to 2.0 in 2003 and 2.1 last year. If maintained, that means the population of France will rise from 60.7 million today to 70 million sometime before 2050.

The United Nations' own projections demonstrate the impact of TFR. If the global rate falls to 2.1, the level of a stable population, then by 2050 the world population will be 11 billion and will remain stable.

If the global TFR falls to 1.6 (about Europe's level today), then the world population in 2050 will be 8 billion and falling. But if the global TFR rate remains at 2.6 (about where it is today) then the world population in 2050 will be 27 billion (four times more than today) and rising.

The birthrates of Muslim women in Europe have been falling significantly for some time. In the Netherlands, for example, the TFR among Dutch-born women rose between 1990 and 2005 from 1.6 to 1.7. In the same period for Moroccan-born women in Holland it fell from 4.9 to 2.9, and for Turkish-born women in Holland from 3.2 to 1.9.

In Austria, the TFR of Muslim women fell from 3.1 to 2.3 from 1981 to 2001. In 1970 Turkish-born women in Germany had on average two children more than German-born women. By 1996 the difference had fallen to one child and has now dropped to 0.5. These sharp falls reflect important cultural shifts, which include the impact of universal female education, rising living standards, the effect of local cultural norms and availability of contraception.Source


And that was four years ago. I'll see if I can find something newer, if you're interested. Here in Denmark the birthrates for immigrant women has now fallen below that of ethnic Danes, and I think the same is true in several other European countries. So basically, what I'm saying is you need to find something else to rant about. The muslims are not going to breed us out of existence.



But back on subject, Danmark recently legalized gay marriage too (we've had registered partnerships giving gay couples the same rights as straight couples for decades, and some priests have offered blessings of gay couples in a ceremony that closely resembles the traditional wedding ceremony without being sanctioned by church leaders), and this is how one of my local churches reacted:

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The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."
 
2012-07-04 07:05:09 AM  
On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".

Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.


www.motifake.com
And we'll not forget this one...
www.muzakblog.com
 
2012-07-04 07:09:28 AM  
Finally something fance does I agree with!

It's a festivas miracle!
 
2012-07-04 07:15:19 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.

In France you wow before the Mayor of your town or a member of the town-council, an elected by the people official. I feel this is important.
You can, if you want, make another ceremony for your God(s).

Memes aside, I was stating it more for clarification than anything else. And as a marriage license is just a contract, why need the mayor? As long as it is witnessed and filed that should be more than enough.
/atheist
//who cares how long you've been here
///memes are funny and new ones are always being created
///you'll get over it
 
2012-07-04 07:21:23 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.



Two things -

1) According to a 2011 national gallup poll, 71% of Americans have a favorable or very favorable opinion of France. I don't see a reason to make spread hate where it doesn't exist. Someone might believe your lies, and that fosters more hard feelings, which causes more people to spread hateful lies, etc. Please stop preaching hate.

2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.
 
2012-07-04 07:27:27 AM  

Dansker: The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."


That's what being on the right side of history looks like.
 
2012-07-04 07:32:18 AM  

Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French


I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.
 
2012-07-04 07:36:16 AM  

intelligent comment below: And those people are few and far between, and just as dumb as you

If you were seriously trying to make an argument, you failed, as usual


Ahh, the good old 'you said something I didn't like so you're stupid' come back. It never gets old. This is why I usually don't come back to see what people said.

Few and far between means everything when anti-gay rights measures pass in a state like California. Of the 53~% of the voters in CA that voted in favor of denying rights to gays you only have to convince 4-5% of them to change their mind. Every single solitary thing that affects the issue even slightly matters and if you don't think so you don't understand the issue as well as you think you do.

ontariolightning: Well, its nice that you have a theory even though it sucks

Why would they concentrate on France when Canada (largest trading partner & neighbour) has had gay marriage country wide since 2005?


When was the last time you heard of American animosity toward Canada?

If this had been England you would have gotten the opposite effect, more 'middle ground' people in the United States moving toward favoring gay rights. While another country, say, Iceland, or Sweden, or something wouldn't affect things one way or the others.

And before any numbskull shows up to go "LOLZ! Its already legal in one of the countries you named!!", I'm just using examples, so give it up.
 
2012-07-04 07:37:09 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.


Two things -

1) According to a 2011 national gallup poll, 71% of Americans have a favorable or very favorable opinion of France. I don't see a reason to make spread hate where it doesn't exist. Someone might believe your lies, and that fosters more hard feelings, which causes more people to spread hateful lies, etc. Please stop preaching hate.

2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.


„Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?

And the US is progressive, but we have to fight for every inch. And we have to be vigilant at every turn, and we need a strong, alert and vigilant populace to keep us from backsliding.

Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.

We are progressive, but only on a razors edge, and there are always a large group just waiting for the chance to illegalize abortion and homosexuality, create a theocracy or a fascist state, take science out of the schol books etc etc.

You don't get this over here in Western Europe. It's a lot less noisy.
 
2012-07-04 07:43:34 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.


We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that. Half of this country now actively opposes any forward progress and conservative pundits have worked to make "progressive" synonymous with "evil".

I've a feeling I'll be posting this a lot in the future: The "It's not, but it could be" speech from The Newsroom.
 
2012-07-04 07:47:10 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.


I think the "freedom fries BS" during the run-up to the Iraq war proves that it's very real in some quarters.
 
2012-07-04 07:48:11 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French

I suspect that's mainly because it is myth. It's like saying you don't get why Mexicans are lazy.


You guys dont remember the run up tot he Iraqi invastion in 2003 do you?

You remember the cases of French wine protestors poured into rivers on Fox?
The "We saved yer butts in ww2 and this is how your repay us" Derp?
You remember the fruitbat FL congresswoman who wanted to have all our GIs disinterred from French soil and returned to the US?
Freedom Fries?
Old Europe?

While this was the high water mark of American post 9-11 hysteria, the Haters on the Right gravitated towards the French, even though the Germans were just as against our invasion. Why? Because they epitomize all the things the American Right hates and fears, and are living proof their fears and lies are Bullshiat; theyre traditional but not religious (two go hand in hand to the American right and cant exist without the other), they have "soshulizsm" like nice long vacations, single payer health care, govt provided this that and the other and yet STILL have a strong economy... the Right LOVES to hate the French because the French system, by its existence, makes them look bad since they exist.

This, when coupled with the political noise that has accompanied the post ww2 US French political relationship (which has been complicated, more so than the UK and the German/ Us relationships have been), the French are the perfect target for anti europeanism whenever it becomes popular.
 
2012-07-04 07:52:10 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Dansker: The sign reads: "Love knows no gender. Congratulations Denmark."

That's what being on the right side of history looks like.


But to be fair, and so it doesn't look like I came here to gloat, it has taken quite a while to get here.

In the '50s, homosexuality was still illegal and could cost you your job and your reputation, leading to some horrible human tragedies. Danish police back then spend a lot of time keeping a close eyes on public toilets and bath-halls, carefully watching all those naked men for though secret peep holes for hours and hours, just so see if they started gently caressing each other's... anyway, in the early '70s, the local police in the nation's second largest city would still arrest men just for dancing together in public. Registered Partnership didn't become law until the late '80s. We only got round to allowing gay adoption two years ago, and now finally this for full equality. So it's not exactly like we've been rushing to get here.
 
2012-07-04 07:58:42 AM  

Father_Jack: „Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?


Much less so than flat out saying that Americans have disdain for French. Dontcha think?


Father_Jack: Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.



It has been a contentious issue wherever it is, though it shouldn't be. There was massive apprehension and political wrangling and mudslinging, not just in France, but all of the E.U., over the most recent French presidential election, left vs. right. That Sarkozy got ousted paves the way for more progressive policies. But that doesn't mean it happened quietly and easily. It just means that Americans don't pay much attention to the numerous shiatstorms that happen outside our borders.

For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.
 
2012-07-04 07:58:42 AM  

Dansker: ...carefully watching all those naked men for though through secret peep holes for hours...


There you go.
 
2012-07-04 08:00:20 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: ThrobblefootSpectre: 2) The U.S. already is one of the most progressive nations on the planet.

We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that. Half of this country now actively opposes any forward progress and conservative pundits have worked to make "progressive" synonymous with "evil".

I've a feeling I'll be posting this a lot in the future: The "It's not, but it could be" speech from The Newsroom.


The thing though, is that as a country we've always moved forward with one half of the population kicking and screaming and fighting along the way (only to try to re-write history 50 years later to try and pretend that they were on the side of progress all along). I mean, what other country fought a bloody and divisive war in order to end slavery? America is good at many things, but making progress seem easy is not one of them.

I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.
 
2012-07-04 08:02:52 AM  

whidbey: Jim_Callahan: pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.

Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

The 10th Amendment isn't going to help the anti gay marriage cause. Neither the states nor the people have the "right" to discriminate against American citizens.


You can explain that to them a million times, Whid - they aren't going to get it. They think that "states rights" means that the states can operate like little nations, making all their own laws and granting or denying their citizens rights according to whim. The only issue where they grasp the concept is gun control.
 
2012-07-04 08:03:47 AM  

Father_Jack: You guys dont remember the run up tot he Iraqi invastion in 2003 do you?


Yes, There was definitely a dip 10 years ago down into the 50% approval range. On either side of that one time dip, both before and after, it is, as it has historically been, a highly favorable view.

Using the one time dip (on both sides of the Ocean, btw, not just in the U.S.) as an excuse to foster more hate is, well, hateful.
 
2012-07-04 08:05:51 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: „Preaching hate?" thats hyperbolizing a bit dontcha think?

Much less so than flat out saying that Americans have disdain for French. Dontcha think?


Father_Jack: Look at the massive amounts of money and energy the US has spent on the Gay Rights issue, from the state constitutional bans to the counter lawsuits, from the legalization to the votes to the endless talk in the media the politicians weighing in all over the place... every single step of the way, the Powers of Reaction have opposed it vigorously.


It has been a contentious issue wherever it is, though it shouldn't be. There was massive apprehension and political wrangling and mudslinging, not just in France, but all of the E.U., over the most recent French presidential election, left vs. right. That Sarkozy got ousted paves the way for more progressive policies. But that doesn't mean it happened quietly and easily. It just means that Americans don't pay much attention to the numerous shiatstorms that happen outside our borders.

For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.


It's the flip side of "American Exceptionalism". Both are equally stupid.
 
2012-07-04 08:07:26 AM  

TenJed_77: Lighten up, Frenchis.


NO I WON'T

www.figarospeech.com
 
2012-07-04 08:12:01 AM  

rynthetyn: I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.


I don't even think it will take that long. he shift has already begun, in large part because young evangelicals DON'T CARE about these sort of social issues (they're more concerned with... being good Christians), so the smart leaders are already shifting their footing.

As far as the notion that we were once a progressive country, I was thinking of the period from the end of WWII to about 1975, when we really seemed to be willing to do whatever it took to move forward as a nation. Yes, there were hard-fought battles for civil right during that period and a lot of good men ended up dead, but we were looking to the future.

Now, when our president talks about what we need to do to make the country better in the next 5-20 years, he gets attacked for it.

Dansker: In the '50s, homosexuality was still illegal and could cost you your job and your reputation, leading to some horrible human tragedies. Danish police back then spend a lot of time keeping a close eyes on public toilets and bath-halls, carefully watching all those naked men for though secret peep holes for hours and hours, just so see if they started gently caressing each other's... anyway, in the early '70s, the local police in the nation's second largest city would still arrest men just for dancing together in public. Registered Partnership didn't become law until the late '80s. We only got round to allowing gay adoption two years ago, and now finally this for full equality. So it's not exactly like we've been rushing to get here.


That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.
 
2012-07-04 08:17:14 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: We were,but we're not any more. The uphill battles for gay rights and universal healthcare prove that.


I am more referring to the "on the entire planet" wording. Go back and read what I actually responded to.

But sure, if you select just the top most progressive nations, the cream of the crop, so to speak, then yes, the U.S. is admittedly slower to adopt some progressive policies than more homogeneous wealthy nations with 1/10th the population. Agreed. Faster on others, such as women's rights and immigration.

But out of 140 odd nations on the planet, as in the post I responded too? Yes, the U.S. is among the topmost. Unless you seriously want to try to make an argument that a 120 or so nations in Asia, South America, and Africa, and the Middle East have a better record of women's right's, gay rights, racial integration, etc.
 
2012-07-04 08:20:02 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.


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2012-07-04 08:22:49 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kind of went off the rails for them.


fun fact: the "Paragraph 175" making homosexuality ilegal was repeled sooner in the totalitary GDR as in the Bundesrepublik.
They had abortion right, to, but everyone "forgot " about this at the time of the reunification - wich was in this light rather an anexion
 
2012-07-04 08:26:04 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".

Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.


I've been here for a very, very long time, and France has been surrendering here since before I even showed up. welcome to fark, indeed.
 
2012-07-04 08:31:04 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.

Gays have been able to marry in the U.S. for many years.

Not all parts of the U.S. But that first sentence is a fact.

So another nation the size of a U.S. state adopts the same policy as some U.S. states. And then people act amazed it takes a nation of 50 such states acting in unison a little longer. Duh.


We'd be better off if BOTH sides stopped preaching hatred and stupidity.


50 states don't need to act "in unison" to make this happen. There are at least two ways in which something like this could be accomplished, virtually instantly, via Federal action (legislative or judicial). So that's not a particularly good excuse.
 
2012-07-04 08:33:33 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: For example, I though it ironically funny that Snarcoleptic_Hoosier mentioned income inequality in his post about how France is great, and the U.S. is bad. Um, France has huge problems with income inequality. And in case you don't get out much, they have regular riots over it, with people torching buildings and cars in the streets. They make OWS seem downright mature and responsible, wehich is really REALLY saying something.


And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.
I'm not saying the US sucks and France is wonderful, I just like facts.
 
2012-07-04 08:33:41 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WorldCitizen: Yay, another country ahead of the United States in equal rights.

Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

/think carefully about your answer


I think the Supreme Court would uphold it if congress just taxes you if you don't get gay married.
 
2012-07-04 08:38:04 AM  

Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.


Yep, I never said different. I said income inequality is also a problem in France also, and they regularly riot over it. I didn't disagree that it is a problem in the U.S., which it is.

Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.
 
2012-07-04 08:38:10 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: But out of 140 odd nations on the planet, as in the post I responded too?


There are closer to 210 countries (give or take) at the moment.

Go back and watch the clip from the Newsroom I posted. In it is just a few things we're not at the top of the list on.
 
2012-07-04 08:40:38 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: France also, and they regularly riot over it.


The French will riot over more or less anything. I was in Paris a decade ago and the firefighters were "rioting" over changes the French government wanted to make to their contract, which would have made them less safe (they included things like cutting back on training for new recruits).

This is not a bad thing.
 
2012-07-04 08:41:11 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: That's pretty much the same story for the rest of Western Europe. It should be remembered that the first country to dump its sodomy laws and move toward gay rights was Germany in the 1920s, but then things kinda went off the rails for them.


Yeah, kinda, sorta.
You know, with that sense for understatements you could almost pass as a Dane. Take that however you like.
 
2012-07-04 08:43:12 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Go back and watch the clip from the Newsroom I posted. In it is just a few things we're not at the top of the list on.


If it makes you happier, I agree the U.S. is not the best at everything. :-)

(Although, it might make you unhappy to find out that no nation is the best at everything, which puts the U.S. in very good company.)
 
2012-07-04 08:43:33 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dansker: And yet, according to the CIA's GINI Index, France has significantly lower income inequality than the US. France was at 32.7 four years ago compared to the US at 45.0 in 2007, which apparently are the freshest numbers available. That places them respectively as #100 and #42 on a list of 132 countries.

Yep, I never said different. I said income inequality is also a problem in France also, and they regularly riot over it. I didn't disagree that it is a problem in the U.S., which it is.

Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.


C'mon, there are a few more, but I already had you marked in green, so I know you're one of the good ones.
 
2012-07-04 08:51:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: rynthetyn: I'm convinced that in 50 years conservative evangelicals will be doing their best to pretend that they weren't fighting gay rights every step of the way, just like today they're trying to pretend that they weren't on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.

I don't even think it will take that long. he shift has already begun, in large part because young evangelicals DON'T CARE about these sort of social issues (they're more concerned with... being good Christians), so the smart leaders are already shifting their footing.

As far as the notion that we were once a progressive country, I was thinking of the period from the end of WWII to about 1975, when we really seemed to be willing to do whatever it took to move forward as a nation. Yes, there were hard-fought battles for civil right during that period and a lot of good men ended up dead, but we were looking to the future.

Now, when our president talks about what we need to do to make the country better in the next 5-20 years, he gets attacked for it.


I'm inclined to think that 30-40 years from now our children will be posting on FutureFark saying the same thing about this era that we're saying about the post-WWII era--that there were hard-fought battles but we were looking to the future. We have the benefit of knowing how everything turned out, but when they were in the middle of it I don't think it was so obvious that it would end like it did. Forty years from now people aren't going to remember just how divided the country was and how much the president got attacked, what they're going to remember is that this was the era when America started down the path to universal healthcare and finally gave LGBT people equal rights. The people fighting tooth and nail to stop progress will warrant a few lines in the history books but other than that, everybody will forget just how bad this era was just like we have forgotten just how bad the 60s and 70s were.

As far as young evangelicals go, we're at a weird time right now where yeah, a lot of young evangelicals don't care enough to take up the activism torch from their elders, but at the same time are continuing to cast anti-gay votes at the ballot box. I've had a few conversations online with one of my college friends who is entirely genuine in feeling bad about the anti-gay rhetoric in the church, feels bad when I express the fact that the evangelical church makes me feel unwelcome, but can't get it through his head that insisting that marriage is between a man and a woman inherently keeps me a second class citizen. It's progress, but it's still a ways to go before the younger generation of evangelicals actually gets fully on board for LGBT rights.
 
2012-07-04 09:08:02 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.


lol
 
2012-07-04 09:12:32 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: Lighten up, Frenchis.

NO I WON'T

[www.figarospeech.com image 146x157]


That wasn't my comment but whatever.
cbertel.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-04 09:22:22 AM  

Father_Jack: ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.

lol


Hey, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it.

Look, I understand you dislike what I am saying. (though i don't understand, yet, why.) It wasn't hard to pick up on from the nitpicky disagreements, and now nebulous mocking. If you have a specific disagreement with my post go ahead and post it.
 
2012-07-04 09:42:44 AM  

TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.


not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?
 
2012-07-04 09:45:48 AM  

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Actually, mongoloid, the people against gay marriage are already against France. They're called Republicans. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-07-04 09:52:27 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?



-M'en fous c'est pas mon image
-C'est quand le dernier fois tu veut quelqu'un fumé des Gitanes?
-C'est l'été il fais chaud dan la Val de Loire
-Ça dépend du fromage
C'est pas de tout le sujet en main
 
2012-07-04 09:54:21 AM  

TenJed_77: On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?


-M'en fous c'est pas mon image
-C'est quand le dernier fois que tu a vu quelqu'un fumé des Gitanes?
-C'est l'été il fais chaud dan la Val de Loire
-Ça dépend du fromage
C'est pas de tout le sujet en main


Je corrige.
 
2012-07-04 09:55:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Father_Jack: ThrobblefootSpectre: Welcome to the very very small contingent of people on fark who prefer facts over hyperbole. So far we number 2.

lol

Hey, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it.

Look, I understand you dislike what I am saying. (though i don't understand, yet, why.) It wasn't hard to pick up on from the nitpicky disagreements, and now nebulous mocking. If you have a specific disagreement with my post go ahead and post it.


i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz
 
2012-07-04 09:57:17 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: That wasn't my comment but whatever.

not bad!
This is at least something new

now, get your clichés right:

-this is not a frog, it'a toad
-make the cigarette filter-less, please.
-the wine should be red
-this cheese is much to young. You don't eat cheese before it has become autonomous and self-conscious.
Do you think we are pedophiles?


so much win in this.
 
2012-07-04 09:57:32 AM  

TenJed_77: C'est pas de tout le sujet en main


oh, ah, nevermind.
We only eat the cheese, so, it is of no concern how mature is it.
he he
 
2012-07-04 10:01:15 AM  

On-Off: TenJed_77: C'est pas de tout le sujet en main

oh, ah, nevermind.
We only eat the cheese, so, it is of no concern how mature is it.
he he


3.bp.blogspot.com

4.static.quoi.info
 
2012-07-04 10:05:26 AM  

intelligent comment below: bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.


Who do you think is going to issue a marriage license?


The guy from the Ministry of Housinge
 
2012-07-04 10:23:12 AM  

Father_Jack: i did, 2012-07-04 08:09:41 AM .

you ignored it. so if youre going to cherry pick what you respond to, i will quit treating you seriously as somoene with whom ideas could potentially be exchanged, and regard you instead as someone whos just here to prove themselves right and pat themselves on the back for their perceived superior rhetorical skillz



Hmmmm, my browser must be up to some tricks. I did several CTL-F searches for all posts by Father_Jack and don't see which post it was I didn't respond to. And you don't seem to have a post at the stated time of 08:09:41 AM. There was one earlier that, that I responded to. And one later than that, that I responded to.

And I'm not patting myself or anyone else on the back. I'm just wondering what 'lol' was supposed to mean. Again, some guy said Americans have a specific disdain for the French (hyperbole). I responded with a gallup poll stating hard statistics (fact). Shrug. I'm not sure how else to put it. And I honstly don't understand why you are becoming increasingly insulting. What did I say that pissed you off so much?
 
2012-07-04 10:31:00 AM  

coeyagi: Ok, well, the 500-to-1 longshot of being the last country to adopt gay marriage is out.

Taking bets!

4-to-1 Iran!
3-to-1 Saudi Arabia!
2-to-1 United States!


Isn't the Vatican technically a country. I pick that one.
 
2012-07-04 10:33:28 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: I FINALLY get a chance to use this photo I took!

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 478x640]


Nice photo. Also appropriate because a rainbow is a reminder of how God drowned the entire world because we pissed him off. A vengeful God will smite the French for allowing people that love each other get married.
 
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