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2012-07-04 01:03:31 AM

mekki: France is much older the US.


France's first revolution occurred after the US's and it took them like 5 or 6 of them to establish the new entity. In the intervening time they amused themselves by killing or burning basically everything flammable or killable related to the old order.

So... no. No, not really, man. If anything, it's significantly younger than us.
 
2012-07-04 01:05:36 AM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?


There have been no "states rights" since 1865.
 
2012-07-04 01:07:06 AM

pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.
 
2012-07-04 01:07:42 AM

pciszek: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Key words bolded. Do we want Washington to force the decision on the States?
What other powers do we want to grant to the current administration?
What powers do we want to grant to the next administration?

There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Because Abraham Lincoln forgot to wear his knight's helmet and Harriet Tubman automatically became president.
 
2012-07-04 01:10:54 AM

Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


Yeah, and since then we've had a Civil War and forced seceding states back into the Union, stripping them of any freedom to make their own laws regarding slavery, voting rights, etc. Do try to keep up.
 
2012-07-04 01:10:57 AM

Jim_Callahan: pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.

Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


The 10th Amendment isn't going to help the anti gay marriage cause. Neither the states nor the people have the "right" to discriminate against American citizens.
 
2012-07-04 01:14:57 AM

coeyagi: jso2897: coeyagi: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

As a sovereign entity, yes, as a political one, no. Plus, social change is widely influenced by global trends and industrial / technological advances. So if France is 1000 years older than the U.S., it doesn't really matter. The difference between the U.S. and France now is minor in comparison to how both countries were 225 years ago.

By his brilliant calculations, Kosovo is a far more advanced nation than America..
They've only existed since 2008, and they already have telephones!

By 2020, they'll have plasma TVs and by 2030, flying electric cars! We can't even get fuel standards up without pissing and moaning!


ROFLMAO, for real thank y'all so much needed the laugh.
 
2012-07-04 01:16:51 AM

Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.


Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.
 
2012-07-04 01:18:46 AM

pciszek: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Yeah, and since then we've had a Civil War and forced seceding states back into the Union, stripping them of any freedom to make their own laws regarding slavery, voting rights, etc. Do try to keep up.


Not sure if serious.
 
2012-07-04 01:20:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: rev. dave: This surprises me. That it didn't happen 50 years ago.

There was this little conflagration that was kind of keeping people busy. Maybe you've heard of it?

WORLD WAR II


I voted this one funny because you are apparently still trapped in the 90's.
 
2012-07-04 01:39:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: mekki: France is much older the US.

France's first revolution occurred after the US's and it took them like 5 or 6 of them to establish the new entity. In the intervening time they amused themselves by killing or burning basically everything flammable or killable related to the old order.

So... no. No, not really, man. If anything, it's significantly younger than us.


And of course after that you have various Democracies and Monarchies and Empires and the Nazi's thrown in there.

France's current Constitution was written in 1958. My Dad's older than that.
 
2012-07-04 01:47:26 AM

make me some tea: silgryphon: The United States should do the same

We are, little by little. I predict in 10 years 3/4 of states will legalize it. The last holdouts will be Deep South states, and they'll come around eventually because they will have to.


It'll happen sooner and it won't be a state-by-state issue. Some challenge to gay marriage will turn up before the Supreme Court and I'm reasonably sure they'll legalize it. If SCOTUS gives the green light, it becomes legal everywhere.

That won't go over well in mouthbreathing inbred yokel 'Murrica, but neither did tossing Jim Crow laws, women's sufferage or civil rights.

They'll get over it.

/congrats, France!
 
2012-07-04 01:48:36 AM

shotglasss: Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?


Anderson Cooper is a New Yorker. He can get married here if he wants to.
 
2012-07-04 01:49:57 AM

WhyteRaven74: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.


Well this mater will and can only end constitutionally in the supreme court for the US there is no way it would ever go through congress.
/Sorta sad about that
 
2012-07-04 01:51:17 AM

WhyteRaven74: Jim_Callahan: Um... amendment 10, man. Just pointing that out in case you're serious.

Isn't even relevant really, 9th and 14th amendments are what matters.


What he said was "the states don't have rights" not "I feel this issue falls under the purview of [x amendment] rather than states rights".

Assuming you're referring to DOMA making marriage a federally recognized right under the 9th amendment and the 14th then bans the states from farking with it, I'd have to agree that that's at least a legitimate interpretation (and probably how this is going to play out eventually), but that doesn't make what the guy I was responding to was saying any less retarded.

It's possible to be an idiot and still accidentally wind up at the correct answer, but it doesn't change the fact that said broken clock is broken.
 
2012-07-04 02:11:59 AM
Hey, France...

/good for them :)
 
2012-07-04 02:30:02 AM

pciszek: There have been no "states rights" since 1865.


Are you from the nth dimension visiting?
 
2012-07-04 02:34:44 AM

No Line For Beer: LectertheChef: They had civil unions before, enjoyed nearly all the rights of married couples, except for adoption, and maybe one or two other things. Straight couples also have access to the civil union thing, for whatever reason.

That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.


It is not a justice of the peace, it is the town mayor, an elected official.
/married and divorced in France
 
2012-07-04 02:37:13 AM

Dwight_Yeast: France accepts gay marriage. The UK will in the next few months. And the US is on the wrong side of history. Again.


Gays have been able to marry in the U.S. for many years.

Not all parts of the U.S. But that first sentence is a fact.

So another nation the size of a U.S. state adopts the same policy as some U.S. states. And then people act amazed it takes a nation of 50 such states acting in unison a little longer. Duh.

We'd be better off if BOTH sides stopped preaching hatred and stupidity.
 
2012-07-04 02:44:51 AM

mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.


Canada is like 80 years younger than the US and the first official gay marriage in the world happened in Toronto in 1999.
Canada wins
 
2012-07-04 02:47:57 AM
Are tired of all the French surrender jokes especially by people whose language is at least 40% French:

www.notablebiographies.com
www.middle-ages.org.uk
 
2012-07-04 02:49:46 AM
I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.
 
2012-07-04 03:04:26 AM
Many of my friends have less rights than me because of who they chose to love.
American dream. Yeah right... if you're asleep.
 
2012-07-04 03:05:58 AM

paygun: I don't know why so many people make a big deal out of this. After the first gay marriage case of adultery, the sanctity of marriage was destroyed. It's not like it's going to get any worse.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-04 03:08:45 AM

ontariolightning: mekki: Saying that France is more progressive than the US because of this is like comparing a senior citizen who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in January as being more progressive than the teenager who was able to get his driver's license for the first time in March because the senior got his license three months earlier.

France is much older the US. If they are so progressive, why haven't they done this much, much earlier?

For as young as a country the US is when compared to its European cousins, I think the US progresses at a much faster rate than them. Rather than taking hundreds of years to change people's minds and do something, it takes only decades, sometimes only years.

Canada is like 80 years younger than the US and the first official gay marriage in the world happened in Toronto in 1999.
Canada wins


Canada joined the 21st century a full year before it actually happened.
 
2012-07-04 03:09:20 AM
This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.
 
2012-07-04 03:14:29 AM

randomjsa: This is good for gay rights globally, but it's actually bad for gay rights in the United States if that's one of your goals.

Say what now? Let me explain...

Due to the overall negative sentiment against Frace, which is mostly not justified, and the overall negative sentiment against Socialism, which is completely justified this will ultimately have the following effect...

1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.

You have to decide if the setback this will create in the United States is worth it if a major country like France moves forward with gay rights. By the way the homophobes will blame the forthcoming screw job France will get from Socialists on gay rights. You will see something along the lines of "France gave homosexuals rights then they fell apart!" while they ignore the fact that socialist policy is to blame.


Well, its nice that you have a theory even though it sucks

Why would they concentrate on France when Canada (largest trading partner & neighbour) has had gay marriage country wide since 2005?
 
2012-07-04 03:17:48 AM
And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world
and have gay marriage and they are like the strongest economic countries in the world. never hear that they are in trouble

Dont blame socialism
 
2012-07-04 03:26:28 AM

randomjsa: 1. The supporters of gay rights will not change.
2. The ardent deniers of gay rights will not change

But...

3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.


More like: The people in group (2), being older, will die off faster than the people in group (1). People born recently are more likely to be "not really against" since they will have grown up knowing a few gay people, and it won't be that big a deal.
 
2012-07-04 03:36:32 AM

Paris1127: This is great news, but, you know, France hasn't done it yet. Hollande said France will legalize same-sex marriage while he's president, but it hasn't been done yet.

Still, this will play well in Le Marais.


Probably ... he's straight but pretty open minded ....

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2012-07-04 03:38:53 AM

bmihura: Why does government have anything to do with marriage?

If you want to marry your bookshelf or orange cat, go for it. Just keep the legal system out of it.



Who do you think is going to issue a marriage license?
 
2012-07-04 03:42:01 AM

diaphoresis: I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.



Judging by the wildfires in America and it just started to be summer, you might want to bite your lip before you say something stupid like that.
 
2012-07-04 03:42:48 AM

intelligent comment below: LordJiro: Yes, but their government surrendered to Hitler, therefore they're all cowards.

French Resistance? What the hell was that, some kind of cheese?


Fun fact. Their navy refused and never allowed to be controlled by the Germans.


They also refused to integrate allied command, and attacked Gibraltar throughout the war.
 
2012-07-04 03:43:58 AM

randomjsa: 3. Some people will shift from the 'kind of against/not really for' to the 'against' category just because its France.



And those people are few and far between, and just as dumb as you

If you were seriously trying to make an argument, you failed, as usual
 
2012-07-04 03:45:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: h


The 5eme Republique as it is called dates from 1958.
 
2012-07-04 03:53:23 AM

intelligent comment below: diaphoresis: I'm glad France legalized gay marriage/adoptions. Maybe God will burn their country down first. Give the U.S. a chance to redeem itself.


Judging by the wildfires in America and it just started to be summer, you might want to bite your lip before you say something stupid like that.


LOL! Fair point....
 
2012-07-04 03:56:26 AM
This is as good as any place to ask but, where smart and funny buttons on m.fark.com? Whe
 
2012-07-04 04:02:47 AM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Are tired of all the French surrender jokes especially by people whose language is at least 40% French:

[www.notablebiographies.com image 228x280]
[www.middle-ages.org.uk image 166x200]


William the Conquerer was not French he was Norman, and that only in name. He was a direct descendant of Rollo the viking, the invader the Franks gave Normandy to.
 
2012-07-04 04:06:50 AM

ontariolightning: And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world
and have gay marriage and they are like the strongest economic countries in the world. never hear that they are in trouble


Aren't a few of them having issues with the very large number of culturally incompatible culturally diverse immigrants putting a very large drain on social services?
Sort of like how Republicans imagine America to be, but in this case actually existing in reality.
 
2012-07-04 04:30:49 AM

RodneyToady: shotglasss: Will Anderson Cooper be signing up for French citizenship now?

Anderson Cooper is a New Yorker. He can get married here if he wants to.


Anderson Cooper can marry anywhere in the USA to any woman he wants to.

/i keed
 
2012-07-04 04:35:33 AM

ontariolightning: And the Scandanavian countries have the most socially liberal policies in the world



Well........sort of. It's more 50/50.

Yes, they have impressive socialization of their oil wealth among their 95% white population. Let's get that out of the way.

They also have strict immigration policies that would be considered xenophobic and racist in the U.S. They are having severe cultural and social problems adjusting to the concept of allowing non-whites to immigrate. They also are not as progressive as the U.S. on women's rights. In a lot of Scandinavian nations, women are still expected to stay home, cook and tend babies. They are perhaps half a century behind the U.S. in this respect. There are other issues, but this isn't a phd thesis.

Look at it this way...If the U.S was 95% white, one of the top 5 the wealthiest nations in the world due to oil (rather than productivity or science), and admittedly did a good job of sharing that wealth among it's white citizens, BUT had xenophobic immigration rules, and had severe problems integrating non-whites, and serious problems with women's rights - would you consider the U.S. a socially liberal place? Answer honestly.

I think some people have to get out of the educational rut that there are one or two nations superior to all others in all ways. Some feel this way about the U.S. Some feel this way about Scandinavia, some feel this way about Europe. In ALL cases, such people are ignorant rednecks.
 
2012-07-04 04:47:22 AM

Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture


Pretty much the only explanation. We should respect and support the French, as without them, we never would have won our war for independence against England.
 
2012-07-04 05:02:23 AM

No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.


Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)

Oh, and subby, gay people beeing fabulous and France surrenders?
yeah, jokes get even funnyer if you make them a hundred time I supose.
The joy of alzheimer.
 
2012-07-04 05:21:11 AM

On-Off: No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.

Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)


If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.
 
2012-07-04 05:23:03 AM

On-Off: No Line For Beer: That's because the French government doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. You can have a "church wedding," but you still have to go before their equivalent of a justice of the peace.

Whaaaaaaa?

You mean in US of A religious ceremonies are reconized by the governement?
This is...
I just don't...
*Sigh*
OK, now I understand your problem better (I'm french)

Oh, and subby, gay people beeing fabulous and France surrenders?
yeah, jokes get even funnyer if you make them a hundred time I supose.
The joy of alzheimer.


www.madmann.com
 
2012-07-04 05:33:07 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dammit France. Now the US can't legalize it, just because you like it. If there is one thing Americans love, it's being diametrically opposed to the French.

I honestly believe that if you get the most effeminate Parisian hipster, put them on TV, have them talk about how equal rights are bad, income inequality is good, religious and military goals should intersect, and American supply-side theory works, the United States would be the most progressive nation on the planet within a week.


You are on something here.
I'm not parisian, but french enouch. Need some help? I'd LOVE to do this.
Actualy, Sasha Baron-Cohen would be your best casting, but he is to famous yet.
 
2012-07-04 05:48:16 AM

coeyagi: Taking bets!


To add to your betting tables, Australia wouldn't wipe its own ass without America's stamp of approval and has no socially liberal political parties, so it'll definitely place behind the US.
 
2012-07-04 06:18:51 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Voiceofreason01: /never really got the American disdain for the French
//suspects it may have something to do with the significant British and German influences on our culture

Pretty much the only explanation. We should respect and support the French, as without them, we never would have won our war for independence against England.


Yeah, the fact that they are a successful society with a very high standard of living, that they live in a fantastic country filled with wonderful, charming cities, have a great cuisine, wrote the book on wine, invented the BJ and are over represented with hot kinky women doesn't hurt, either.

/they really do say ooh la la when excited
 
2012-07-04 06:21:54 AM

TenJed_77: If you have a license in the US you can be married by anyone that is ordained.
And getting ordained in the states is easy. The difference is that US laws recognize
the ordained ministers as being capable of signing and validating marriage licenses.


In France you wow before the Mayor of your town or a member of the town-council, an elected by the people official. I feel this is important.
You can, if you want, make another ceremony for your God(s).

Welcome to Fark?
Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".
I've nothing against poking fun, and I don't assume subby is homophobe or racist, but please, try to be funny.
There has to be more than just one joke on each topic.
This is not offensive.
It's just lame
 
2012-07-04 06:24:19 AM

On-Off: Actualy, I've been here for a while, and every headline about France involve "surrender", every headline about gays involve "fabulous".


Lighten up, Frenchis.

/Gay.
//Fabulous and proud of it.
 
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