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(C|Net)   Having solved all other major issues, key U.S. senators working on a forthcoming copyright bill that would place file swappers in prison for up to three years if they have a copy of even one prerelease movie in their shared folders   ( divider line
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7727 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Nov 2003 at 11:17 AM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2003-11-13 09:03:31 AM  
it's our own fault. we elect these jackholes.
2003-11-13 09:43:38 AM  
Hey canadian farkers ... do you have bullshiat like this by you? I'm feeling a move coming on, Congress is really getting out of hand....
2003-11-13 09:46:33 AM  
Because in a nation of overcrowded prisons, file swappers belong right next to rapists and murderers. It keeps them on their toes.
2003-11-13 09:48:30 AM  
2003-11-13 09:51:54 AM  
Gig103: Nope.
2003-11-13 10:00:40 AM  
Anyone else see something VERY, VERY wrong with this?
2003-11-13 10:16:11 AM  
Two things:


I see you fall in with the camp that believes no punishment is too harsh, no matter what the crime. Enjoy that point of view, and hope that it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.

Everyone else,

They gave Episode 2, Tomb Raider, and The Hulk as examples of films that had been put up for file sharing. Amazingly enough, those films all cleaned house at the box office.

Let's face it. If you put out a movie that the majority of people really want to see, they're going to go see it in the theatre, regardless of its availability on the interweb. Nothing beats seeing the movie on the big screen with the killer sound system available in most theatres nowadays.
2003-11-13 10:24:54 AM  
This will be as successful as the wildly triumphant "War on Drugs"...
2003-11-13 11:11:10 AM  
Come on, let's not be so cynical. Our honorable Congresspeople are doing this simply because they honestly believe it's the right thing for America. It has absolutely nothing to do with the bribes campaign cash they rake in from the publishers and the entertainment industry. Uh-uh, nope, nothing at all to do with that.
2003-11-13 11:18:04 AM  
Well, they've got to do something, given that the war on drugs, terrorism, crime and poverty are all raging successes.
2003-11-13 11:20:38 AM  
But they need that lobby money to get reelected. TV ads pointing out your opponent's flaws and/or sex life are expensive, as is the PI required to get that dirt and the prostitute needed to make the opponent look really really bad.

I have a question to raise here. Why does it cost so much money to campaign for the U.S. Senate?

Whne they've invented a big screen computer with all the sound extras, then look at banning it. Otherwise, it's nothing compared to the real thing.
2003-11-13 11:20:55 AM  

Phew. Yah right, I needed a good laugh to start my day.
2003-11-13 11:21:47 AM  
I work for a certain ISP, and have been getting more and more calls from people that have been getting letters accusing them of copyright infringement.

Most of these people are just "average joes", and they were scared as hell.

sad. scary. dumbass. am I missing any tags?
2003-11-13 11:21:56 AM  
Well, I'd be pretty pissed off if I were selling a product and found out that someone stole it from me and gave it away for free all over the internet. Especially considering the product we're talking about usually costs right around $100M.
2003-11-13 11:22:21 AM  
This was on fark awile ago, how Canadains have a decent fair use on copyright and don't have to deal w/ RIAA militant tactics/oppression, it's pretty cool. We welcome all farkers that want to live in the true North, strong and free. Plus we have socialized health care, for now...
2003-11-13 11:23:13 AM  
I wonder where Ken Lay is golfing this week?
2003-11-13 11:23:36 AM  
it's our own fault. we elect these jackholes.

When it comes down to it, people biatch about politicians, and every single one of them is bad, except the ones they voted for. They're great.

It's a great argument for term limits. And not the 'self-imposed' ones that current scumbags in office said that they'd hold to, then weaseled out of.
2003-11-13 11:23:43 AM  
Well, I'd be pretty pissed off if I were selling a product and found out that someone stole it from me and gave it away for free all over the internet. Especially considering the product we're talking about usually costs right around $100M.
2003-11-13 11:24:08 AM  
I'm thinking of starting a Canadian-girl-only porn site.

Relevance to this thread: none.
2003-11-13 11:24:15 AM  
2003-11-13 11:24:23 AM  
yeah. good idea.
3 year prison terms for a 'crime' that has no proven negative effect on society or the business of making movies.

i feel real bad for the MPAA who just had a -record-box-office-year- last year. sure, they're off track this year -so-far- but that's due more to the low quality of summer flicks compared to last year. prior to summer they were back at record breaking pace. after RotK smart money says they'll be back to the record-books.

but no, lets crack down on internet culture - forgetting that there could possibly be a reason someone would prefer to see a movie in the theatre as opposed to in a less-comfy chair, by yourself, with stereo sound at best. Lets also forget that dvds have completely revitalized their home movie sales. by their logic, no-one should ever buy a dvd, because they can just download the rip. right?

2003-11-13 11:24:30 AM  

Would you still be pissed and want to see people put in prison for three years if their distribution didn't hurt your sales?

That's definitely the case with movies. Movies are raking in ever increasing amounts of profits at the box office, even with movies being available on file-sharing services.
2003-11-13 11:24:48 AM  
why is this a problem ?

did they make grand theft legal
while i was asleep last night ?
2003-11-13 11:25:46 AM  
okay thats just scary.
2003-11-13 11:25:52 AM  
If you have a prerelease movie on your computer, you could possibly get 3 years in the can. Possession of small amounts of marijuanna can get you up to ten years in prison. Yet turn your ex-wife into a Pez dispenser, or admit to killing and dismembering someone, and you're found not guilty and walk away scott free.

Why this glitch in the Matrix was never covered in "Revolutions", I'll never understand.

2003-11-13 11:25:55 AM  
Well, I am glad they solved healthcare, education, unemployment, national security, defense, the environment, etc., and then voted themselves another pay raise, to work on this pressing issue. I feel more satisfied than ever about our elected officials.

2003-11-13 11:26:30 AM  
My secretary and I share files all the time. Am I going to be in trouble? I know one time she placed a video tape on the file cabinet as well. Does this violate some type of infringement law?
2003-11-13 11:26:54 AM  
The Trojan put it on my computer.

Defense solved.
2003-11-13 11:26:54 AM  
cunning linguist,

It's not grand theft. It's copyright infringement. Grand theft requires that you have deprived someone of property or services.

While file-sharing may be unethical, it is not theft.
2003-11-13 11:27:31 AM  
This action will clearly solve all of our problems here in the good ol' U. S. of A. Stop complaining, people!
2003-11-13 11:27:38 AM  
Yep - that's what this country was founded on: guilty, even when proven innocent.
2003-11-13 11:28:08 AM  

Yea you forgot asinine
2003-11-13 11:28:19 AM  
"Having solved all other major issues. . ."

Some people, and some orgainzations, are capable of thinking about more than one thing at a time. Could you imagine if Congress could only work on solving one problem at a time?
2003-11-13 11:29:02 AM  
No problems. I'll keep these in a unshared folder.

Wait.. I'm a Canadian..

*bong hit*

What was the problem? I didn't bother to RTFA..
2003-11-13 11:29:10 AM  
I maintain that in the case of Hollywood films, internet file sharing actually reduces the amount of pirating. If a criminal camcords the movie, he intends to sell it on the street for $10 a copy, or whatever. But if Joe Internet gets a copy, and posts it an Kazaa, the camcording criminal's sales go down, and anyone who downloads it is probably interested enough that they will go see it on the big screen when it comes out anyway. So there.
2003-11-13 11:29:51 AM  
2003-11-13 11:29:55 AM  
Turning Finding Nemo into hearing scream-o.
2003-11-13 11:30:04 AM  
I have no problem with this law, considering the fact that if you do have a copy of a pre-release movie on your computer, then unless you work for the studio, then it's pretty fair to say that you stole it. This isn't a fair use debate. It's theft, pure and simple. If you want to see the movie, wait for it to come out in theaters. If you don't care to pay that much, wait for the DVD to come out and borrow it from a friend. Pretty simple.

It's not lik they're funding some kind of uber-crackdown or anything. They're just putting the law on the books. Big whoop. If you steal copyrighted material, be prepared to face the consequences if you happen to get caught.
2003-11-13 11:30:23 AM  
we definately need more people in prisons! especially more nonviolent offenders rubbing elbows with murderers and rapists!

I fear for my behyman-- i've got thousands of songs and 50 some odd feature movies (not counting pr0n), now all *unshared* from kazaa.
I really, really hate the fact that my elected officials are willing, even eager to trade my anal virginity for campaign contributions, but I am not surprised in the least.
2003-11-13 11:30:51 AM  
I may be wrong here but imagine that most people with movies on their harddrive are fanboys that just want to have a copy of a favorite movie they have already or will see multiple times in the theatre.
2003-11-13 11:31:02 AM  
Except that its not theft cunning_linguist_dc It is copyright infringement there is a difference.

Just as libel is not a criminal matter but a civil one. People don't get sent to jail for slander.
2003-11-13 11:31:17 AM  
It's not grand theft. It's copyright infringement. Grand theft requires that you have deprived someone of property or services.

it depends on the circumstances of how the file ended up in your hands ...

are you really suggesting that a copy of a movie that has yet to hit theather could end up on a file sharing network WITHOUT it being stolen from the production company in some manner ?

if nothing else, anyone who has a copy of the movie could also be charged with receiving stolen property...
2003-11-13 11:31:18 AM  
And so we move even further toward a fascist state in which corporate interests outweigh the interests of the natural person.
2003-11-13 11:31:33 AM  
I just love the "representative" plutocracy we call the United States.
2003-11-13 11:31:37 AM  

I think the gist of that statement is that if Congress has the free time to be concentrating on file-sharing, they should be spending it working on more important issues, such as health care.
2003-11-13 11:31:44 AM  
cunning_linguist_dc: Maybe the cost of someone downloading a movie should be addressed. There should be a value set on a downloaded pre-release camcorder copy of a movie. They shouldn't say that every copy of it is worth 100MIL. Maybe if they treated it more like stealing a DVD from Wal-Mart. I know it isn't fair to place a pre release movie in the same league as an older DVD but still, a value has to come from somewhere. What happens if someone gets caught stealing a DVD from Wal-Mart? Do they get fined? Go to jail? Repeat shoplifters go to jail I'm sure. Maybe they should do something more along those lines. If a user is sharing a movie it's a Class B misdemeanor right there. They get fined (no warning...just like Wal-Mart would do) and it goes on your record. Repeat offenses go to jail or something.
2003-11-13 11:31:51 AM  
I will sleep much easier tonite knowing that the RIAA and the movie industry are well protected.

Glad to hear that the economy is back on track and the war in Iraq is over. BTW, did we win?
2003-11-13 11:32:33 AM  
Why is file sharing or CD writing any different than making a mix tape for a friend? Why wasn't this an issue years and years ago?

Because now they can trace it.

1) Fail to innovate and keep in pace with the technology.
2) Cry foul, then fine and/or imprison people.
3) Profit!
2003-11-13 11:32:44 AM  
Time to build more prisons.

Wait a minute, why not just turn New York into a big prison?

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2003-11-13 11:32:49 AM  
I need to watch a badly-compressed, crappy-sounding movie on my small monitor with my tiny computer speakers like I need another hole in my head.

But, 3 years in prison is lame. Never vote for a politician who's proud to be "tough on crime."
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