Sammy McNotGay

I like Tom Cruise. I mean I wouldn't go camping with him or anything but "Jack Reacher"? That's your title? I thought they learned by now that your movie title can't just be a guy's name from a book that most people haven't heard of. At least add "...of Mars" to it.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

Subby gets a +100 for most accurate headline of the year.

I like Cruise, but I love the Reacher novels.

This is a f**king abomination.

Fark you, Lee Child. You could've made just as much money (maybe more) insisiting on a better actor for the role.

Bathia_Mapes: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

I started reading the Reacher series with 61 Hours. Then I went back and immediately bought all the books preceding it and am eagerly awaiting the next book, which is due out in, I think, September. Lee Child is a damned fine novelist, and it's the furthest thing from a romance novel. Listen to Bathia; she knows what she's talking about.

I have read 5 or 6 Reacher novels and I thought the trailer actually looked alright. Yeah, it'd be better with a different actor in the lead, but I don't think Cruise is bad, he just isn't great. This isn't nearly as bad as the Sahara movie and the Clive Cussler book. That was just a mess.

/wanted Kevin Durand as Reacher

AdolfOliverPanties: Never read the books, have no real concept of the character. How much will this casting affect/offend me?

None whatsoever.

So Knight And Day 2: Small Town Justice is being released in December.

Thanks for the warning.

BSABSVR: AdolfOliverPanties: Never read the books, have no real concept of the character. How much will this casting affect/offend me?

The character is a grizzled middle aged retired marine MP who though a US citizen, rarely spent time in the US because he was a Military brat. He's a Mary Sue taciturn, trained detective who literally has no possessions besides a toothbrush, and while he can use his wits to solve crimes, he is often called upon to use his significant brawn. Often he knows that he can win a fight because he sees that his opponent has smaller bone structure or underestimates the speed that someone built like a linebacker and trained by the USMC would have.

This guy is being played by Tom Cruise.

Reacher was in the Army, not the Marines.

I was hoping Liev Schreiber would get the role.

Bathia_Mapes: AdolfOliverPanties: Never read the books, have no real concept of the character. How much will this casting affect/offend me?

This is Jack Reacher's physical description. As a fan of the book, I'm really pissed that Tom Cruise was case in the role.

Physical appearance

Reacher is a giant, standing at 6' 5" tall (1.96m) with a 50-inch chest, and weighing between 210 and 250 pounds (100-115 kg). He has ice-blue eyes and dirty blond hair. He has very little body fat, and his muscular physique is completely natural (he reveals in Persuader, he has never been an exercise enthusiast.) He is exceptionally strong but is not a good runner.. Reacher is strong enough to break a man's neck with one hand (Bad Luck and Trouble) and kill a villain with a single punch to the head (Running Blind and 61 Hours) or chest (Worth Dying For). In a fight against a 7 foot, 400 lb steroid-using thug (Persuader), Reacher was able to lift his opponent into the air and drop him on his head.

Reacher has various scars, most notably a scar on his abdomen caused by a bombing in Lebanon. He also has a 3-4 inch thin white scar that intersects his shrapnel scar that he received during a knife fight with Al-Qaeda operative Lila Hoth. Reacher mentions how the rough stitch work from his existing scar helped decrease the severity of his most recent attack. However, the cut did produce a deep, serious gash that led to Reacher passing out from blood loss. He also has a scar on his chest from a .38 bullet,[6] a tear drop burn scar from close range gunshot that crossed his chest at point blank range, and one on his arm where his brother struck him with a chisel in his youth.

Great. Now I have to amend my Favorite description of you to 'Dark Shadows AND Jack Reacher expert'.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Bathia_Mapes: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

It's not a construction of cliched characters moving through highly improbable events in a way that embodies the frustrated fantasies of a beaten-down, middle-aged man who wonders what life would have been like if only he had gone into the military instead of becoming a CPA? Really?

Let me guess: there are women, but it never quite works out. Because he lives too close to the edge.

/don't bother denying it, I looked up the Jack Reacher novels on tvtropes.
//I wonder how many actual lines Tom Cruise has. Did you know that Kurt Russell only had 12 lines total in Soldier? I've never seen that replicated, not even by Sylvester Stallone.

It's not that he lives on the edge, it's that he prefers to be homeless. He just wanders around aimlessly, staying at hotels and throwing away his clothes and buying new ones every few days. His childhood as an army brat and life as an army MP moving around from base to base are supposed to have turned him this way. Now, I'm not denying the novels have plenty of cliche's, just that you are a little off in this one.

velvet_fog: Anton Furst's work in the first movie was excellent, but the art direction in Batman Returns was laughable. The obvious fake backdrops were appalling in a movie that cost $80 million to make 20 years. Returns was an awful, nasty movie anyway.

Well, I won't argue that the movie wasn't nasty. It was definitely very dark. But the stuff with Catwoman was good, especially the ballroom scene, which they seem to have lifted in this movie. As for the set design, sure it looked sort of fake but at least they tried something different than "Chicago".

The English Major: Bathia_Mapes: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

I started reading the Reacher series with 61 Hours. Then I went back and immediately bought all the books preceding it and am eagerly awaiting the next book, which is due out in, I think, September. Lee Child is a damned fine novelist, and it's the furthest thing from a romance novel. Listen to Bathia; she knows what she's talking about.

Thank you, kind sir. :-D

John Buck 41: Bathia_Mapes: AdolfOliverPanties: Never read the books, have no real concept of the character. How much will this casting affect/offend me?

This is Jack Reacher's physical description. As a fan of the book, I'm really pissed that Tom Cruise was case in the role.

Physical appearance

Reacher is a giant, standing at 6' 5" tall (1.96m) with a 50-inch chest, and weighing between 210 and 250 pounds (100-115 kg). He has ice-blue eyes and dirty blond hair. He has very little body fat, and his muscular physique is completely natural (he reveals in Persuader, he has never been an exercise enthusiast.) He is exceptionally strong but is not a good runner.. Reacher is strong enough to break a man's neck with one hand (Bad Luck and Trouble) and kill a villain with a single punch to the head (Running Blind and 61 Hours) or chest (Worth Dying For). In a fight against a 7 foot, 400 lb steroid-using thug (Persuader), Reacher was able to lift his opponent into the air and drop him on his head.

Reacher has various scars, most notably a scar on his abdomen caused by a bombing in Lebanon. He also has a 3-4 inch thin white scar that intersects his shrapnel scar that he received during a knife fight with Al-Qaeda operative Lila Hoth. Reacher mentions how the rough stitch work from his existing scar helped decrease the severity of his most recent attack. However, the cut did produce a deep, serious gash that led to Reacher passing out from blood loss. He also has a scar on his chest from a .38 bullet,[6] a tear drop burn scar from close range gunshot that crossed his chest at point blank range, and one on his arm where his brother struck him with a chisel in his youth.

Great. Now I have to amend my Favorite description of you to 'Dark Shadows AND Jack Reacher expert'.

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself a Jack Reacher expert. Just a big fan of the books because they're well written.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Klippoklondike: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Bathia_Mapes: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

It's not a construction of cliched characters moving through highly improbable events in a way that embodies the frustrated fantasies of a beaten-down, middle-aged man who wonders what life would have been like if only he had gone into the military instead of becoming a CPA? Really?

Let me guess: there are women, but it never quite works out. Because he lives too close to the edge.

/don't bother denying it, I looked up the Jack Reacher novels on tvtropes.
//I wonder how many actual lines Tom Cruise has. Did you know that Kurt Russell only had 12 lines total in Soldier? I've never seen that replicated, not even by Sylvester Stallone.

It's not that he lives on the edge, it's that he prefers to be homeless. He just wanders around aimlessly, staying at hotels and throwing away his clothes and buying new ones every few days. His childhood as an army brat and life as an army MP moving around from base to base are supposed to have turned him this way. Now, I'm not denying the novels have plenty of cliche's, just that you are a little off in this one.

So these aren't fantasy, wish-fulfillment novels for men in much that same way that love stories are wish-fulfillment for women. These novels are almost documentaries. Like the James Bond novels.

I can't speak for everyone else who read the novels. All I can say is I don't want to be Jack Reacher, though I find him interesting and the novels well written. Some people might want to be a giant hobo of vengeance, but not me.

consider this: I know it's cool to hate on Tom Cruise and all, but it looks pretty damn cool to me. Reminds me of 80's action flicks.

That's the thing wrong with it. Cruise could be Reacher, but the addition of the muscle car (Reacher never has a car), the fancy wardrobe (Reacher literally buys new clothes instead of laundering them, and he goes cheap) and especially a live victim speaking about "proof" (Reacher only kills once he has proof, and he covers his tracks) makes the whole trailer seem like a spoof of the books. Jack Reacher isn't The Equalizer, but that is what that trailer is selling.

It's not like the Jack Reacher series of books was overly intellectual, but that trailer managed to make the entire concept of a retired, pissed of Army MP about as stupid as a Schwarzenegger movie circa 1985, or a bad TV show from the same era. THAT'S what's wrong with the whole thing. Jack Reacher is supposed to be an anti-hero, and Hollywood has managed to throw all that in the trash. If you read the books they read like old Dime Novels - the loner gunslinger rights some wrongs against his better judgement and gets into trouble because of it. From that trailer all I gather is that a douchebag with a great car is righting some wrongs for the hell of it.

At least they got the fight scene right - Lee Child is very specific about what Jack Reacher thinks when he's facing off against multiple opponents. The visual of Cruise standing in the middle of a circle is at least true to some of the books.

Everything else was a Mission: Impossible wannabe, including the music.

This trailer:

Bathia_Mapes: John Buck 41: Bathia_Mapes: AdolfOliverPanties: Never read the books, have no real concept of the character. How much will this casting affect/offend me?

This is Jack Reacher's physical description. As a fan of the book, I'm really pissed that Tom Cruise was case in the role.

Physical appearance

Reacher is a giant, standing at 6' 5" tall (1.96m) with a 50-inch chest, and weighing between 210 and 250 pounds (100-115 kg). He has ice-blue eyes and dirty blond hair. He has very little body fat, and his muscular physique is completely natural (he reveals in Persuader, he has never been an exercise enthusiast.) He is exceptionally strong but is not a good runner.. Reacher is strong enough to break a man's neck with one hand (Bad Luck and Trouble) and kill a villain with a single punch to the head (Running Blind and 61 Hours) or chest (Worth Dying For). In a fight against a 7 foot, 400 lb steroid-using thug (Persuader), Reacher was able to lift his opponent into the air and drop him on his head.

Reacher has various scars, most notably a scar on his abdomen caused by a bombing in Lebanon. He also has a 3-4 inch thin white scar that intersects his shrapnel scar that he received during a knife fight with Al-Qaeda operative Lila Hoth. Reacher mentions how the rough stitch work from his existing scar helped decrease the severity of his most recent attack. However, the cut did produce a deep, serious gash that led to Reacher passing out from blood loss. He also has a scar on his chest from a .38 bullet,[6] a tear drop burn scar from close range gunshot that crossed his chest at point blank range, and one on his arm where his brother struck him with a chisel in his youth.

Great. Now I have to amend my Favorite description of you to 'Dark Shadows AND Jack Reacher expert'.

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself a Jack Reacher expert. Just a big fan of the books because they're well written.

So you wouldn't call yourself a 'Reacher Creature'?

Agree with an earlier post saying this was one of the weaker novels. So many better. Can't wait for the new one. Will skip this in the theater, and probably thereafter.

My name is Reacher. JACK ... Reacher. I'm a Scientologist. I don't care about proof; I don't care about the law. I only care about Xenu.

Suddenly the door opened. A dame walked in holding a thetan. Seems her husband was a suppressive person. I put on my lifts and prepared to get a statement. This was gonna be a long night ...

John Buck 41: So you wouldn't call yourself a 'Reacher Creature'?

Heh! Not really.

saintwrathchild: The English Major: I kept thinking and hoping it was a joke. I mean...yeesh, I know books aren't always adapted the greatest, but this was a hugeeensy, weensy, teeny, tiny casting mistake.

That's just like, your opinion, man.

Cruise as Reacher?

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Klippoklondike: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Bathia_Mapes: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is like a pudgy, middle-aged man's version of a romance novel, isn't it?

Nope, not even close.

It's not a construction of cliched characters moving through highly improbable events in a way that embodies the frustrated fantasies of a beaten-down, middle-aged man who wonders what life would have been like if only he had gone into the military instead of becoming a CPA? Really?

Let me guess: there are women, but it never quite works out. Because he lives too close to the edge.

/don't bother denying it, I looked up the Jack Reacher novels on tvtropes.
//I wonder how many actual lines Tom Cruise has. Did you know that Kurt Russell only had 12 lines total in Soldier? I've never seen that replicated, not even by Sylvester Stallone.

It's not that he lives on the edge, it's that he prefers to be homeless. He just wanders around aimlessly, staying at hotels and throwing away his clothes and buying new ones every few days. His childhood as an army brat and life as an army MP moving around from base to base are supposed to have turned him this way. Now, I'm not denying the novels have plenty of cliche's, just that you are a little off in this one.

So these aren't fantasy, wish-fulfillment novels for men in much that same way that love stories are wish-fulfillment for women. These novels are almost documentaries. Like the James Bond novels.

STFU and go read one of the books you retard. They are fun, they aren't some Rambo-ass guy fantasy series. Just fun books. Anyone would can enjoy them.