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(The Atlantic Wire)   North Carolina lawmaker presses wrong button, accidentally legalizes fracking   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 262
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2012-07-04 09:22:26 AM

gblive: How's that again? You claim that cheap natural gas is going to revive U.S. manufacturing. You do realize that the bulk of low cost U.S. manufacturing is in places like the South. The cheapest form of electricity here is produced by coal. Even if natural gas fell to 25% of its current on-shore price - it still would be much cheaper to power manufacturing using electricity from the existing coal fired power plants.


You provide a rather strong argument to continue using coal here.

gblive: Bottom Line: Cheap natural gas is not going result in the repatriation of thousands of manufacturing jobs from China. What is driving manufacturing back to US. shores is higher shipping costs and the fact that many U.S. plants have re-tooled over the past 3 years with high tech equipment (a good investment) so they can manufacture here at lower cost while maintaining better control over quality.


Good thing the ships and planes sending Chinese goods to us aren't powered by coal, huh?

Modern technology lets us now pipe many things to where they are needed... oil, gas, and water. It would be simple to have the gas companies agree to pipe in and/or treat the existing water supply as part of the deal.

/having been involved in construction, we had to agree to providing sidewalks, parks, etc in order to be allowed to build large projects
 
2012-07-04 10:27:03 AM

gblive: patrick767: gblive
P.S. - this was not an "accidental" push of the button. This entire event was planned. This lady is getting large political campaign contributions from the Fracking industry.

Citation needed. Oh wait, you pulled that out of your ass.

Yep... sure did. But before eating my turd you should probably check the donation records from the Gas Industry to this Charlotte representative like the NC Political forum did today.... oh wait 27% of her funds in the past year are from the Gas Industry. Just part of the over 1 Million dollars in campaign contributions that the Fracking Industry provided to state politicians in North Carolina over the past 12 months.


Thanks for that, I was almost tempted to believe the 'accident' scenario, even though my instinctive response to any politician (or leader of any sort) is disbelief - thanks for restoring my faith in my instincts. "Oh I will vote against the people who fund over a quarter of my campaign ... bazinga" - what a biatch. People in power must be watch more than anyone else in the community!!!! Alas we seem to focus on the poor - where were the regulators when Maddoff and his clones were playing their loaded game? Oh that's right they are rich and powerful, we don't need to watch them or doubt their honesty/motives ... bazinga!
 
2012-07-04 11:24:17 AM

Hector Remarkable: I have a feeling the very world itself ends in a similar fashion.


Followed by an "Oops" *blush*
 
2012-07-04 12:27:36 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ///sans any regulation or oversight of f--king course since it's not like water is important here or anything


Michigan borders four great lakes. One of them is even named after the state. Fresh water is like air there.

/it's only important when you're not getting any
//kinda like sex, really
 
2012-07-04 12:35:48 PM

Alleyoop: gblive: Bottom Line: Cheap natural gas is not going result in the repatriation of thousands of manufacturing jobs from China. What is driving manufacturing back to US. shores is higher shipping costs and the fact that many U.S. plants have re-tooled over the past 3 years with high tech equipment (a good investment) so they can manufacture here at lower cost while maintaining better control over quality.


Also, manufacturers in many of those countries are starting to realize that regulation is actually a good thing when it regulates whether the government can simply send in the military to seize your factory for the "Greater Good of the Proletariat."

/with the blessing and support of that grand high arbiter of international law, the UN
//civilization means you don't always get what you want, but at least your enemies don't always get what they want either
 
2012-07-04 12:57:33 PM

Langdon_777: Thanks for that, I was almost tempted to believe the 'accident' scenario, even though my instinctive response to any politician (or leader of any sort) is disbelief - thanks for restoring my faith in my instincts. "Oh I will vote against the people who fund over a quarter of my campaign ... bazinga" - what a biatch. People in power must be watch more than anyone else in the community!!!! Alas we seem to focus on the poor - where were the regulators when Maddoff and his clones were playing their loaded game? Oh that's right they are rich and powerful, we don't need to watch them or doubt their honesty/motives ... bazinga!


The people of the USA discovered they could vote themselves money from the public till during the Wilson Administration. Ever since, our political class has been forcibly evolved by the will of the people into a separate, lamprey-like species, gruesomely specialized to drain money from other people (including, in the most successful breeds, other politicians) and supply it to their own supporters. These supporters, in turn, scurry about tending to the needs that their politicians have lost the ability to perform themselves, such as procuring food and drink, conscious thought, and in some cases even public speaking (often having to be supported further by mechanical assistance, like teleporompters).

/the end has long been heralded, we've been ignoring the call in the name of "progressivism" for nearly a century now
//it's a testament to the wisdom of the Dead White Guys that things have lasted as long as they have
 
2012-07-04 03:43:26 PM

MrHelpful: Well, she's a Democrat. What were you expecting? Intelligence? Silly wabbit, intelligence aint for Democrats.


The state's ALREADY got water shortages.

Fracking isn't going to help those.

It ain't the Democrat's intelligence you should be worrying about.
 
2012-07-04 03:49:49 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.

Yep.

THIS is the issue folks. If you're going to criticize please be accurate and most importantly, correct. The problem isn't the chemicals in the fracking. They're generally less hazardous then drinking f'ing oil. The problem/issue is the pressure and fracturing is helping force oil and gas into neighboring water supplies.

And they don't want to release publicly the exact contents for a very good reason. It's not because they're evil trying to poison you. It's that they have a LOT of competitors who are evil who would gladly rip them off. The additive business is a very competitive field and there's a lot of companies trying to get a larger market share.


You're being disingenous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracturing_fluid
 
2012-07-04 03:55:37 PM

pedrop357: rtaylor92: Republicans do not care about anything or anyone other than their side "winning." Facts and costs be damned.

Applies equally to Democrats. Tons of short sighted, impulsive, emotionally driven proposals Opponents called "teatards" and/or racist.


If you object to something Obama does that is EXACTLY the same as when Bush was in office, you're either an idiot, a racist, a party hack, or some combination thereof.
 
2012-07-04 04:03:56 PM

rohar: Dr._Love: I love the industry schills who show up here to defend rampant despoiling of everything.

Observation: Hey this messes up the drinking water.

Again, for those of you in the cheap seats: fracking is a tool, much like a hammer. If you use a hammer to brain your girlfriend, it's not the hammer's fault. We shouldn't ban all hammers because you're a homicidal maniac. Houses still need to be built.

Fracking in geologically fragile environments is just damned stupid and I'll be among those that string your ass up. Fracking so low it's next to hell itself under miles of granite isn't going to hurt anyone but the angels of darkness.


Unless they screw up their casing pour.

But that couldn't happen more than, say, one time in a hundred, right?

It's not like we'll be drilling thousands of these wells...
 
2012-07-04 04:10:38 PM

tjfly: Dr._Love: I love the industry schills who show up here to defend rampant despoiling of everything.

Observation: Hey this messes up the drinking water.
No, that's not fracking, it must be something else. (Dicto simpliciter)
Observation: Well the water was messed up after fracking.
Yeah but we'll drink the fluid we use, it's safe! (Non Sequitur)
Observation: The water is on f*cking FIRE!
Natural gas is nothing compared to the possibilities from rock drilling for the well itself. (Ad Absurdum)
Observation: We know this is f*cking up our environment!!
Well, banning it will destry what's left of the economy.(Naturalistic Fallacy)

[energeopolitics.files.wordpress.com image 640x201]

[www.greenpeace.org image 640x484]

Cock-nobblers!

/two years, Bill
//they took my eye

This is a great example of a ridiculous non-factual citeless post with a diagram with no source, no science. The "data" in the chart above makes no sense. 47% = 20, indicating that there are only 42 natural gas wells in the u.s.?

This is the first time in history that the US has a gigantic cost advantage on natural gas relative to the rest of the developed world. US NG is 3-4 times less expensive in the US than in Asia Pacific or Europe. We finally get some advantage on energy and a key feedstock to petrochemical which will bolster American manufacturing, and here idiots like he one above want to shelve NG exploration based on their liberal bias (libfor the sake of being lib) overriding their responsibility to actually learn about the NG production process and understanding that this will finally result in the repatriation of thousands of manufacturing jobs from China.


Dude, I don't care if we invent FUSION power.

Those manufacturing jobs we lost to China are NOT coming back...in fact, since new factories are generally more efficient than older ones, about half those jobs drowned for good on the way across the Pacific.

And the ones that got over there? Are now draining, as we speak, into Vietnam...where labor costs are even lower than in China. And, yes, their latest factories are even MORE efficient...net job loss again.

While this sucks for the guys who used to work on assembly lines, this is good for humanity in general.
Less work to create more stuff.
 
2012-07-04 04:14:03 PM

PunGent: If you object to something Obama does that is EXACTLY the same as when Bush was in office, you're either an idiot, a racist, a party hack, or some combination thereof.


There's that high moral ground of the left. So much for hope and change. Who's the idiot party hack again?

BTW, I opposed a LOT of things Bush did when he was in office. I still oppose those things when Obama does them.
 
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