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2012-07-03 04:23:01 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Jim_Callahan: If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous.

Because aquifers are uniformly distributed up and down the geologic column with no non-porous layers intervening.


Exactly. Now if you could please provide a map indicating which aquifers will be affected and which are guaranteed to be sealed off by non-porous layers, that would be much appreciated.

Thank you.
 
2012-07-03 04:23:54 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week, but then again it's still early.

/I can't believe there is no confirm button. Even in tests you take online for college classes have a confirm button. They're deciding on what happens to an entire state with not fail safe? I'm surprised this hasn't happened before.


4.bp.blogspot.com

This is your last chance to press the "Cancellation Button"...

FARK!!! Even in the future, NOTHING WORKS!!
 
2012-07-03 04:24:32 PM  
So even the crappiest software usually has a "Are you really sure you want to do that?" warning before you do something that could potentially be bad. Are there no safeguards like this in the voting process?
 
2012-07-03 04:24:36 PM  

jaybeezey: Didn't some Halliburton flack drink some fracking fluid earlier this year?


Well I'll be, he did.
 
2012-07-03 04:24:52 PM  

SVenus: zarberg: Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.

Meh

Halliburton Executive Drinks Fracking Fluid At Conference


That's not the issue. The issue is that tap water from the fracking zones is very flammable, either because of the chemicals used for fracking (in the past or currently), or because of the geological problems caused by the act of fracking.
 
2012-07-03 04:25:25 PM  
Sounds like someone should have fricked instead of fracked.
 
2012-07-03 04:25:26 PM  

clovercat: I suppose they'll be wanting bottle water for Christmas.


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/actually I'm not sure how this would work for volatile contaminants
 
2012-07-03 04:26:57 PM  
Is this one of them first vs. second cousin fracking threads?
 
2012-07-03 04:28:33 PM  
Don't be hypocrites! Who here hasn't accidentally polluted their community water supply at one time or another?
 
2012-07-03 04:28:39 PM  
It ain't the wrong button that got pushed. It took a majority vote to veto that fracking law. That means it had already passed by a 1/3rd vote, then the veto was passed by a 1/2 vote, so there are at least half of those guys who think fracking is a good thing. HALF of North Carolina's leadership thinks it's OK to pollute the water supply.

/we're all gonna die, you know that
//We're gonna pollute ourselves outta existence.
///Unless the gate in Timbuktu actually works...
 
2012-07-03 04:29:07 PM  
Asking a judge to determine the legislative intent should result in a permanent injunction because there wasn't any.
 
2012-07-03 04:30:24 PM  

Pincy: So even the crappiest software usually has a "Are you really sure you want to do that?" warning before you do something that could potentially be bad. Are there no safeguards like this in the voting process?


Why would there be? It was a Yes/No thing; it wasn't designed to trick anyone, as evidenced by the fact that no one else messed it up. If someone is in court and the prosecutor asks them "Did you kill that woman?" they can't say "Yes. On no wait sorry guys I meant no. LOL. My bad."
 
2012-07-03 04:31:25 PM  
ModernPrimitive01: Well if you say it's alright.......

Fraking does not cause drinking water to catch on fire. Drilling a water well through a coal bed does.
 
2012-07-03 04:32:16 PM  

vernonFL: You've got to be farking fracking kidding me.



FTFY
 
2012-07-03 04:32:41 PM  

born_yesterday: Vlad_the_Inaner: Jim_Callahan: If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous.

Because aquifers are uniformly distributed up and down the geologic column with no non-porous layers intervening.

Exactly. Now if you could please provide a map indicating which aquifers will be affected and which are guaranteed to be sealed off by non-porous layers, that would be much appreciated.

Thank you.


All the maps I could find would be made meaningless when fracking fractures the non-porous layers, making the geologic column closer to continuous.

Which is "exactly" the point.
 
2012-07-03 04:32:56 PM  
If we're to actually observe the negative aspects of fracking, I'd say North Carolina is a pretty good spot for a giant lab experiment.

To be brutally honest, I'd rather see a bunch of North Carolinians poison and destroy their own water supply FIRST, so that everyone else can use them as a cautionary tale.

Maybe they'll even have some kind of hilly-billy revolt over it.
 
2012-07-03 04:33:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So put the formula in front of a judge, let someone with Chem/Public Health background examine it, then seal the fracking thing.

At least tell SOMEONE what's in it - I really don't care if EPA does Super-Duper-Hella-Top-Secret testing on it, classified beyond even the President's eyes - so that we know it's not strychnine mixed with arsenic, Mentos and Coke.


They do. That's how trade secrets laws work.

qorkfiend: They're not trying to poison us, but they don't seem too concerned over the possibility of it happening.


Yes. I agree. But that's an issue with the petro/oil already down there being forced into the water supply, *not* with the chemicals themselves (mostly).

I'm not a fan of chemical/hydraulic fracking. But I am a fan of being correct! :0

And explosive fracking is so much cooler. At least by 20 percent.
 
2012-07-03 04:34:36 PM  
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I normally wouldn't post a failblog macro, but damned if it isn't relevant.
 
2012-07-03 04:35:07 PM  
And Big Oil accidentally $100,000 SuperPac'd her.
 
2012-07-03 04:36:11 PM  

rebelyell2006: SVenus: zarberg: Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.

Meh

Halliburton Executive Drinks Fracking Fluid At Conference

That's not the issue. The issue is that tap water from the fracking zones is very flammable, either because of the chemicals used for fracking (in the past or currently), or because of the geological problems caused by the act of fracking.


Tap water in fracking zones is flammable because there is methane in the drinking water. Generally, they are stand alone water wells, that are drilled through coal seams.

Further, all cases of fraking polluting drinking water are shown to be bad casing/ cement jobs. Drinking water is very shallow, where they frak is very deep.
 
2012-07-03 04:36:31 PM  

vernonFL: salvador.hardin: The natural gas shale is on the coast.

It is? In Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia its in the mountains.


Actually, I was wrong. I thought it was in the coastal region, but its all in the Piedmont.
Link

From my hightschool level of understanding geology and earth science I'm pretty sure the gas is all made from the remains of ancient ocean life. The submersion of the east coast predates the formation of the Appalachians. Think of it as the whole mass of the east coast as we know it rolling up on top of the shales. In the north (PA and MD) the mountains came to rest on top of the shales, but down here in NC the mountains rolled a bit further west, so the shales are under the piedmont.
 
2012-07-03 04:36:31 PM  
I always had such a deep love for my home State... I've been rethinking that position recently, never thought I would.

The last three years have been, trying. This past year has been farking retarded.
 
2012-07-03 04:37:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And they don't want to release publicly the exact contents for a very good reason. It's not because they're evil trying to poison you. It's that they have a LOT of competitors who are evil who would gladly rip them off. The additive business is a very competitive field and there's a lot of companies trying to get a larger market share.


Oh, well, if there are corporate profits involved, obviously any concerns about the safety of the public must be swept aside.
 
2012-07-03 04:37:54 PM  
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2012-07-03 04:40:35 PM  
And the money will be in her account in..........?
 
2012-07-03 04:42:19 PM  

rtaylor92: Republicans do not care about anything or anyone other than their side "winning." Facts and costs be damned.


Applies equally to Democrats. Tons of short sighted, impulsive, emotionally driven proposals Opponents called "teatards" and/or racist.
 
2012-07-03 04:42:41 PM  

Kibbler: "Even more bizarrely, House rules prohibiatchanging your vote if doing so would affect the outcome. (In other words, you can change your vote on a bill, but only if won't make any difference.)"

American democracy: Kabuki theater in action.


Am I the only one who thinks this provision makes perfect sense? Say a Democrat wanted to vote for a controversial conservative position that was likely to fail to benefit themselves in a tight election in a close district. They decide to vote against their party but then realize that their vote was the deciding vote and want to switch it back.

I can think of a number of scenarios wher congress critters would try to have it both ways and allowing re-voting would be abused. This makes total sense to me.
 
2012-07-03 04:43:05 PM  

bdub77: I posted my dislike of this on Facebook, and a "friend" of mine went off on a rant about Obamacare, SS, and the minimum wage, among other things, being horrible decisions. He also for the record thought that if the water does get poisoned i can tell him I told you so.

Hey, asshole, this isn't about saying I told you so.

But seriously state of NC, go fark yourself.


It's this kind of right-wing lunacy that makes me shamed to be on that side of the aisle.

Just clip a pic from one of the many, many studies where the local drinking water was flammable due to the aftereffects of hydraulic fracking.

my.firedoglake.com

The freaking water is on fire, how much worse does water need to be before you realize it's not healthy for you?
 
2012-07-03 04:44:10 PM  

BGates: Tap water in fracking zones is flammable because there is methane in the drinking water. Generally, they are stand alone water wells, that are drilled through coal seams.

Further, all cases of fraking polluting drinking water are shown to be bad casing/ cement jobs. Drinking water is very shallow, where they frak is very deep.


I can take the oil companies word that fracking fluid is not dangerous without knowing the exact content, or I can take their word that they will never fark up their construction and produce leaks. I find myself unable to do both at the same time.

Given the experience of Deepwater Horizon and your own admittance that they cannot be relied upon to not screw up, I find I cannot give them the benefit of the doubt on the fluids. And when I weigh the value of their proprietary formulas versus my desire to not be able to use my sink as a gas stove, they come up pretty farking short.

If you're dumping something in the ground, and you have a proven history of not doing so safely, then I just don't give a rat's ass about protecting the secret to your 13 herbs and spices.
 
2012-07-03 04:46:56 PM  

clovercat: Where there's fraking where once there was fine drinking well water. Suddenly there's bad well water, simply that.


I have a theory. My mother lives in PA, where there's been an explosion of gas well drilling the last few years. The gas companies bring with them a lot of people. People who need to drink/bathe/flush toilets. This lowers the local water table, and the more shallowly drilled water wells in the area start 'slurping' off the top of the water table, where all the hydrocarbons and crap are 'floating'.

Drill your wells deeper, and there's no problem.
 
2012-07-03 04:47:36 PM  

jakomo002: To be brutally honest, I'd rather see a bunch of North Carolinians poison and destroy their own water supply FIRST, so that everyone else can use them as a cautionary tale.


Its already been done in Pennsylvania, Colorado, Texas and other states.

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2012-07-03 04:49:36 PM  
Clearly, the North Carolina Republican legislature isn't Church of England.

/Tea and Cake or death
//You said death first, ah hah!
 
2012-07-03 04:51:16 PM  

Pincy: So even the crappiest software usually has a "Are you really sure you want to do that?" warning before you do something that could potentially be bad. Are there no safeguards like this in the voting process?


zarberg: jaybeezey: Didn't some Halliburton flack drink some fracking fluid earlier this year?

Well I'll be, he did.


The problem usually isn't the solution used for fracking. It's forcing that solution into an oil /gas reserve to increase the volume extracted. This pressure added also fractures (hence the name "frack") the rock strata to add additional oil and gas to the volume. At the same time, it fractures the rock between oil and water reserves. this gets oil and gas in our water supply that the companies doing don't take responsibility for. If you've got a well, which is very likely in the rural areas that is drilled in, You don't have the filtration that the city systems do. And you get firewater with no one but the oil company to complain to.
 
2012-07-03 04:51:55 PM  
Who farking cares. Let the farking Republitards cheer this as a victory. All I ask is that the citizens of this state are required to sign waivers of federal assistance of any kind when their water can be used to light the grill.

Not fair, you ask? Then move the fark out and leave the state to the mouthbreathers. I'm tired of this shiat.

As a matter of fact, force them to secede from the Union so they ain't eligible for anything.
 
2012-07-03 04:52:05 PM  
"Even more bizarrely, House rules prohibiatchanging your vote if doing so would affect the outcome."

God damn is America corrupt!
 
2012-07-03 04:54:27 PM  
no surprise, Democrats like to do the "we need to pass the bill before we find out what is it it" strategy.

she also did that with a transportation bill
 
2012-07-03 04:55:58 PM  

GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.


WTF are you talking about, she pressed the wrong button and immediately, not hours or days later, let everybody know she pressed the wrong button. You are an idiot, go take your fake victimization somewhere else.
 
2012-07-03 04:56:16 PM  

meathome: The freaking water is on fire, how much worse does water need to be before you realize it's not healthy for you?


www.topshelfliquor.co.nz

Good for White Man, bad for Indians.
 
2012-07-03 04:56:32 PM  

meathome: bdub77: I posted my dislike of this on Facebook, and a "friend" of mine went off on a rant about Obamacare, SS, and the minimum wage, among other things, being horrible decisions. He also for the record thought that if the water does get poisoned i can tell him I told you so.

Hey, asshole, this isn't about saying I told you so.

But seriously state of NC, go fark yourself.

It's this kind of right-wing lunacy that makes me shamed to be on that side of the aisle.

Just clip a pic from one of the many, many studies where the local drinking water was flammable due to the aftereffects of hydraulic fracking.

[my.firedoglake.com image 280x280]

The freaking water is on fire, how much worse does water need to be before you realize it's not healthy for you?


I've got to say, I'm on the fence on this one. In many areas where fracking occurs and drinking water is flamable, it was flamable before the fracking occurred. The reported incidents were lower as there was no trigger to report (no fracking was happening before it happened). That said, there are areas where the use of fracking is just plain stupid.

So what's the geology in the region this picture was taken?
 
2012-07-03 04:56:37 PM  

born_yesterday: Who farking cares. Let the farking Republitards cheer this as a victory. All I ask is that the citizens of this state are required to sign waivers of federal assistance of any kind when their water can be used to light the grill.

Not fair, you ask? Then move the fark out and leave the state to the mouthbreathers. I'm tired of this shiat.

As a matter of fact, force them to secede from the Union so they ain't eligible for anything.


Energy production is an interstate concern. If the Feds want to supercede this law they can. Until then we get our federal assistance for being stupid just like everyone else.
 
2012-07-03 04:56:58 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Wouldn't have happened if she would have just stayed in the kitchen where she belongs.



My work here is done...
 
2012-07-03 05:00:21 PM  

Karac: my desire to not be able to use my sink as a gas stove,


Fraking does not cause your water to catch on fire. Drilling a water well through coal does. Coal contains vast amounts of methane, in fact a large industry is based upon coal bed methane extraction.
 
2012-07-03 05:00:46 PM  

Jim_Callahan: That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures.


Oh, well, if it's mostly water, then it's obviously harmless.


/could you possibly be any slimier?
 
2012-07-03 05:03:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And they don't want to release publicly the exact contents for a very good reason. It's not because they're evil trying to poison you. It's that they have a LOT of competitors who are evil who would gladly rip them off. The additive business is a very competitive field and there's a lot of companies trying to get a larger market share.


Because protecting profits is more important than the safety of our drinking water.
 
2012-07-03 05:03:20 PM  

BGates: Karac: my desire to not be able to use my sink as a gas stove,

Fraking does not cause your water to catch on fire. Drilling a water well through coal does. Coal contains vast amounts of methane, in fact a large industry is based upon coal bed methane extraction.


You're intentionally ignoring other causes in certain areas. I'm sure that's good for your agenda, but not so good for the truthiness.
 
2012-07-03 05:04:21 PM  
Another retarded Democrat? Why no Obvious tag?

/Independent
 
2012-07-03 05:05:30 PM  

zarberg: Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.have all their drinking water bottled at and delivered from a fracking zone.


ftfy
 
2012-07-03 05:07:36 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Well if you say it's alright.......


Link

"The people in Dimock had enough of the misinformation about the water in this area. There is no environmental wasteland. The water is fine." - Martha (78). She has lived in Dimock PA all her life and is a co-founder of the grassroots group "Enough Already". The group has fought claims that Dimock's water was polluted by drilling. Martha says methane has always naturally occurred in their water in the area. - "The truth is that the methane has always been in the water."
 
2012-07-03 05:07:53 PM  

BGates: rebelyell2006: SVenus: zarberg: Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.

Meh

Halliburton Executive Drinks Fracking Fluid At Conference

That's not the issue. The issue is that tap water from the fracking zones is very flammable, either because of the chemicals used for fracking (in the past or currently), or because of the geological problems caused by the act of fracking.

Tap water in fracking zones is flammable because there is methane in the drinking water. Generally, they are stand alone water wells, that are drilled through coal seams.

Further, all cases of fraking polluting drinking water are shown to be bad casing/ cement jobs. Drinking water is very shallow, where they frak is very deep.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Yes. Very, very deep.
 
2012-07-03 05:08:06 PM  

MrHelpful: Well, she's a Democrat. What were you expecting? Intelligence? Silly wabbit, intelligence aint for Democrats.


^
The best of conservative humor.
 
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