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(The Atlantic Wire)   North Carolina lawmaker presses wrong button, accidentally legalizes fracking   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 262
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2012-07-03 03:58:45 PM  
If she had been home raising babies and baking pies, this would not have happened.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-03 03:58:52 PM  
Usually a member on the winning side of a vote can move to reconsider. As I understand the situation here reconsideration requires a majority in favor even though the original vote required only 1/3 to sustain the veto.

This is similar to a couple of years ago when they used a legislator's absence to sneak a gambling bill through the legislature.

In 2010 one Republican was trying to hold up a big spending bill when the Massachusetts legislature was not formally in session. Under informal session rules one objection blocks any bill. She was in chambers full time ready to object while a handful of Democrats hung around hoping to pass the bill. She refused to leave to go to the bathroom unless they promised not to pass the bill while she was out. The bill finally passed when she caught caught in traffic on her way to work.
 
2012-07-03 03:59:15 PM  
Guess that's why they call them Dumb-o-crats!

/sick it lubs
 
2012-07-03 03:59:18 PM  
Stop giving her crap about this. Accidents happen, just get over it.

SHE didn't complain when the fracking company accidentally transferred $50,000 into her bank account, right? See, everyone makes mistakes.
 
2012-07-03 03:59:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Add North Carolina to the list of states we need to flood off the map with Texas and Florida.


As someone safely in the mountains, I approve of this plan.
 
2012-07-03 03:59:25 PM  

GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.


Are you twelve?
 
2012-07-03 04:00:17 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Guess that's why they call them Dumb-o-crats!

/sick it lubs


Grats for laughing at the misfortune of millions who may have polluted water to drink now! I bet you're a real charmer.
 
2012-07-03 04:00:20 PM  
And I"m sure it was a complete accident, too, and not tens of thousands in bribes campaign contributions received.
 
2012-07-03 04:01:04 PM  
As long it's not with someone of the same sex
 
2012-07-03 04:01:41 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week, but then again it's still early.

/I can't believe there is no confirm button. Even in tests you take online for college classes have a confirm button. They're deciding on what happens to an entire state with not fail safe? I'm surprised this hasn't happened before.


It is probable that the system was installed in the early half of the 20th century and hasn't been updated since.
 
2012-07-03 04:02:16 PM  
Be nice if more politicians accidently did the right thing.
 
2012-07-03 04:02:24 PM  

Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.


That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.
 
2012-07-03 04:02:32 PM  

MrHelpful: Well, she's a Democrat. What were you expecting? Intelligence? Silly wabbit, intelligence aint for Democrats.


Simple minded, partisan, answer that in no way addresses the article? Outdated reference from the 1950's? Blatantly rude and needlessly disrespectful? You sound like white trash.
 
2012-07-03 04:03:19 PM  
Talk about a case of the Mondays!
 
2012-07-03 04:03:24 PM  

GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.


No, I'm pretty sure that you haven't got it, actually.
 
2012-07-03 04:03:39 PM  

GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.


Well, since almost every Conservative cause is aimed at hurting the majority of the people so that a few can profit then yes, you basically nailed it.
 
2012-07-03 04:04:55 PM  

Jim_Callahan: or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures


that's the part I think he was referring to...
 
2012-07-03 04:05:10 PM  

zarberg: Grats for laughing at the misfortune of millions who may have polluted water to drink now! I bet you're a real charmer.


i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-03 04:05:34 PM  

GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.


Nice quote for "evil". Yours was the first use of that word on the page.

i18.photobucket.com

Cry moar.
 
2012-07-03 04:06:01 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.


Uh, the coal bed gas in Wyoming is REALLY friggin close to the water table, fracking there would almost guarantee contamination. The oil/natural gas in the Bakken is so far down you can hear hell from that depth so there's no possibility of issues.

Anyone know the geology in North Carolina?
 
2012-07-03 04:06:32 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.



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Well if you say it's alright.......
 
2012-07-03 04:06:47 PM  
Wouldn't have happened if she would have just stayed in the kitchen where she belongs.

/thanks for the flaming water
 
2012-07-03 04:06:47 PM  

Jim_Callahan: If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous.


Because aquifers are uniformly distributed up and down the geologic column with no non-porous layers intervening.
 
2012-07-03 04:08:29 PM  
I wonder how much $$$ it takes to have a legislator 'accidently' press the the wrong button on an issue like this.
 
2012-07-03 04:08:30 PM  
If I was a lesser person, I'd make a point about God punishing them for some sort of recent wrongdoing. Like maybe trodding upon their fellow man or something.
 
2012-07-03 04:09:22 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.


Yep.

THIS is the issue folks. If you're going to criticize please be accurate and most importantly, correct. The problem isn't the chemicals in the fracking. They're generally less hazardous then drinking f'ing oil. The problem/issue is the pressure and fracturing is helping force oil and gas into neighboring water supplies.

And they don't want to release publicly the exact contents for a very good reason. It's not because they're evil trying to poison you. It's that they have a LOT of competitors who are evil who would gladly rip them off. The additive business is a very competitive field and there's a lot of companies trying to get a larger market share.
 
2012-07-03 04:09:49 PM  
The mountains in western North Carolina are really beautiful, go see them before they are ruined.
 
2012-07-03 04:09:53 PM  

Headso: Does that smell like bullshiat to anyone else?


That's just fracking fluid. Fact: Fracking fluid is a minimum 72% bullsh*t.



Jim_Callahan: Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction.


Which is to say, there's essentially no oversight or quality control at all...
=Smidge=
 
2012-07-03 04:11:00 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: It's not because they're evil trying to poison you.


They're not trying to poison us, but they don't seem too concerned over the possibility of it happening.
 
2012-07-03 04:11:28 PM  

vernonFL: The mountains in western North Carolina are really beautiful, go see them before they are ruined.


Asheville is one of the coolest towns you could ever want to visit, wish I was just a bit closer.
 
2012-07-03 04:12:14 PM  

fsbilly: GORDON: When someone in politics changes to a liberal mindset, Like Chief Justice Roberts, then that is "enlightened."

When some democrat casts a so-called "accidental" vote in favor of so-called conservative cause, then that is "evil."

Got it.

Are you twelve?


That's an insult to 12 year olds everywhere.
 
2012-07-03 04:12:25 PM  
Carney apologized profusely and blamed the error on late-night fatigue, saying, "I feel rotten, and I feel tired."

I hope the next thing you feel is unemployed.
 
2012-07-03 04:13:58 PM  
Yet another reason why I hate politicians.
 
2012-07-03 04:14:35 PM  
The thing that's going to get lost in the Leno-grade humor of this situation is that its quite common for legislators to push the wrong button and standard procedure to allow them to change it.

We've got such a glut of natural gas right now that lots of proven shales are not being developed at the moment. I doubt this hypothetical shale will be developed anytime soon.
 
2012-07-03 04:15:04 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.


Well, nat gas doesn't leak from above-ground storage into water. This "tap water on fire" stuff is ridiculous though. If you're drilling a water well where there's a natural gas, you DO sometimes get nat gas in the water, with our without drilling, with or without fracking. It's also easily removed by a piece of gas separator hardware at the wellhead, which the gas company will surely install for free in exchange for STFU. Solubility of methane in water at STP is only 20mg/kg, so it really doesn't want to be there. Which is why it separated out at the wellhead and makes gas bubbles in the pipes that can be ignited (methane-saturated water won't burn). Just put a separator on the wellhead and get on with your life!

There is no environmental risk associated with nat gas in the well water that I'm aware of. I assume a spring might be "contaminated" but it should just degas out on its own near the spring. AFAIK it's not gonna poison anything.

Well water is OFTEN nasty stuff, BTW. In many areas, it's clean, but plenty of areas will get hard water, sulfur compounds, arsenic, etc, from the natural rock when you drill. Natural gas ain't nothing to worry about compared to that.
 
2012-07-03 04:15:23 PM  
Glass half full: At least she's not my district's representative.
 
2012-07-03 04:15:54 PM  

cmunic8r99: Glass half full: At least she's not my district's representative.

of benzene
 
2012-07-03 04:15:55 PM  
As a registered Democrat in NC, may I just say that we have some really farking stupid Democrats.
 
2012-07-03 04:16:22 PM  

JackieRabbit: "Uh, okay. My bad. Do over?"


State law officially says "no do-overs, no take-backsies"
 
2012-07-03 04:16:58 PM  

vernonFL: The mountains in western North Carolina are really beautiful, go see them before they are ruined.


The natural gas shale is on the coast.

Mountaintop removal is what's ruining the mountains.
 
2012-07-03 04:17:19 PM  

zarberg: Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.


Meh

Halliburton Executive Drinks Fracking Fluid At Conference
 
2012-07-03 04:17:50 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Add North Carolina to the list of states we need to flood off the map with Texas and Florida.


That wouldn't affect North Carolina... They banned sea level rise.
 
2012-07-03 04:18:10 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I love poisoned drinking water if it gets someone rich.


Only poor people drink tap water. Have some self respect and place a yearly order with Evian.
 
2012-07-03 04:18:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

That's not actually how fracking works. The solution, which is mostly water, is pumped into the oil/gas reservoir to maintain pressure, or into oil shale to increase the release rate by opening microfractures. Sometimes additives are included to break down some of the more problematic organic compounds to make extraction easier as welll.

If your drinking water supply shares a reservoir with oil/natgas then it's, y'know, already pretty severely poisonous. Plus typically oil and drinking water come from pretty severely different geological strata, most drinkable aquifers are within a couple hundred feet of the surface and with oil you're talking thousands.

Obviously there are oversight and quality control issues to address, but no more so than with any other method of oil/gas extraction. Any contamination of the drinking water occurs the normal way, by someone stupidly letting something leak down from above-ground.


That's not actually how not actually how fracking works. Where there's fraking where once there was fine drinking well water. Suddenly there's bad well water, simply that. Too bad for NC. Guess I will never have to consider living there. Shame I do have some friends there. I suppose they'll be wanting bottle water for Christmas.
 
2012-07-03 04:19:23 PM  

salvador.hardin: The natural gas shale is on the coast.


It is? In Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia its in the mountains.
 
2012-07-03 04:20:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And they don't want to release publicly the exact contents for a very good reason. It's not because they're evil trying to poison you. It's that they have a LOT of competitors who are evil who would gladly rip them off. The additive business is a very competitive field and there's a lot of companies trying to get a larger market share.


So put the formula in front of a judge, let someone with Chem/Public Health background examine it, then seal the fracking thing.

At least tell SOMEONE what's in it - I really don't care if EPA does Super-Duper-Hella-Top-Secret testing on it, classified beyond even the President's eyes - so that we know it's not strychnine mixed with arsenic, Mentos and Coke.
 
2012-07-03 04:20:37 PM  
"Even more bizarrely, House rules prohibiatchanging your vote if doing so would affect the outcome. (In other words, you can change your vote on a bill, but only if won't make any difference.)"

American democracy: Kabuki theater in action.
 
2012-07-03 04:21:53 PM  

zarberg: Dafatone: Alright, alright.

Explain to me how companies that do fracking can claim the fracking solution is an "industry secret."

They're pumping that stuff into our water.

Been saying this all along. If it's safe, I want big oil execs to come down and drink a glass of water from a fracking zone in front of some cameras.


Didn't some Halliburton flack drink some fracking fluid earlier this year?
 
2012-07-03 04:21:58 PM  
www.japanprobe.com
 
2012-07-03 04:22:53 PM  
Yet another example of why women shouldn't be allowed to vote...
 
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