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(Kaiser Family Foundation)   Before you go yelling about how Obamacare is evil, a tax, will kill grandma, etc, maybe you should take this quiz to see if you even know what's in the bill. Subby got 9/10   (healthreform.kff.org) divider line 740
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2012-07-04 01:59:52 AM  

whidbey: FutureWars: 10/10, haven't followed it at all. I simply guessed the quiz would be designed to make the bill look as good as possible and answered accordingly.

So none of the correct answers are actually "correct," is that what you're saying?

What ARE you saying?


He's repeating what he thinks is a clever line - he is the sixth person in the thread to use it. Can't even come up with his own snot.
 
2012-07-04 02:18:40 AM  

markie_farkie: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.


Same here,

BUT

Lets be honest, these questions are like the brochure you get from the travel agent on why you should take a vacation to Somalia. They gloss over and obfuscate some rather disturbing realities...

1- There is no way the law pays for itself. Costs will explode, taxes will go up to cover them, and people who have been told they get free coverage through Medicaid will never want to give that up, So the cost will never go down.

2- The questions dwell on Medicare. Which is not effected by the law much at all. So great, your medicare wont change, but there will be death panels in Medicaid and State Insurance exchanges and the inevitable replacement for medicare when they decide to cap enrollment and let the program die off with its last ancient client....then everyone else will just sit in Medicaid for the rest of their lives, probably forbidden from eating sugar and smoking under penalty of imprisonment.

3- Listing many of the benefits of a law as questions and then suggesting that if you don't know how great the law is that you might be uninformed because you got a low score on the test is a lot like Telling you how great the food is in Somalia because look at how eager the inhabitants are to get to it......

4- You are going to see a lot of this from left special interest groups.....an endless litany of all the benefits of the law without really going into how it isn't sustainable without massive taxes on the middle class. Taxes large enough to actually stall the economy forever. Well or they can use the death panel to limit care to the point that simply doubling the cost of the plan will sort of stabilize it at crappy care at twice the price.

5- They have apparently left critical funding language out of the bill......but I am certain that you think that the rest of it is perfect and it cannot possibly result in a horrible health care system. Despite the fact that the people who wrote it and voted for it actually have very little idea if it even works.
 
2012-07-04 02:22:01 AM  

jso2897: whidbey: FutureWars: 10/10, haven't followed it at all. I simply guessed the quiz would be designed to make the bill look as good as possible and answered accordingly.

So none of the correct answers are actually "correct," is that what you're saying?

What ARE you saying?

He's repeating what he thinks is a clever line - he is the sixth person in the thread to use it. Can't even come up with his own snot.


It doesn't matter that the questions have truthful answers. Its like saying that water is a liquid and so is acid. Both facts, but you wouldn't drink both based on that one question would you?

Seriously how stupid do you think people are? I mean I know how stupid the people who want free healthcare are, they have had everything handed to them and they still cant figure out how not to use crack and front load donuts morning noon and night.
 
2012-07-04 02:27:01 AM  
10/10 here as well .
 
2012-07-04 02:38:24 AM  

archichris: markie_farkie: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.

Same here,

BUT

Lets be honest, these questions are like the brochure you get from the travel agent on why you should take a vacation to Somalia. They gloss over and obfuscate some rather disturbing realities...

1- There is no way the law pays for itself. Costs will explode, taxes will go up to cover them, and people who have been told they get free coverage through Medicaid will never want to give that up, So the cost will never go down.

2- The questions dwell on Medicare. Which is not effected by the law much at all. So great, your medicare wont change, but there will be death panels in Medicaid and State Insurance exchanges and the inevitable replacement for medicare when they decide to cap enrollment and let the program die off with its last ancient client....then everyone else will just sit in Medicaid for the rest of their lives, probably forbidden from eating sugar and smoking under penalty of imprisonment.

3- Listing many of the benefits of a law as questions and then suggesting that if you don't know how great the law is that you might be uninformed because you got a low score on the test is a lot like Telling you how great the food is in Somalia because look at how eager the inhabitants are to get to it......

4- You are going to see a lot of this from left special interest groups.....an endless litany of all the benefits of the law without really going into how it isn't sustainable without massive taxes on the middle class. Taxes large enough to actually stall the economy forever. Well or they can use the death panel to limit care to the point that simply doubling the cost of the plan will sort of stabilize it at crappy care at twice the price.

5- They have apparently left critical funding language out of the bill......but I am certain that you think that the rest of it is perfect and it cannot possibly result in a horrible health care system. Despite the f ...


How is it going to sustain itself? Simple.

A vast majority of Americans are going to have health insurance.

A vast majority of Americans don't actually have any serious medical conditions.

A vast majority of Americans are going to be paying into the system to pay for the current crop of sick Americans.

As the insurance companies come to stress preventative care as opposed to expensive emergency care, the ratio of sick people to healthy people will get better, as preventative care keeps people from getting seriously ill, and expensively ill, in the first place.

Some people 'will' continue to get sick. These people will be cared for with the premium money of the people who aren't sick.

Now, some people won't be able to afford it. They'll be included in Medicare/Medicaid. But, this is a relatively small number of people.

Some people will refuse to buy insurance even though they 'can'. They'll be taxed as a penalty for their irresponsible and selfish behavior. So, even they will be paying into the system, like it or not.

In the end, it comes down to the fact that there will always be a far larger number of healthy people as opposed to sick people.
 
2012-07-04 02:39:53 AM  
The test had a question/answer wrong. Technically speaking.

It asked if the law created a "New Insurance". Which, according to the Supreme Court ruling, it did. While it may be called Medicaid, it's not tied the the existing Medicaid coverage. It's a new "Medicaid" system that the states can refuse without losing their old Medicare/Medicaid money.

/just saying
 
2012-07-04 02:40:07 AM  

Gig103: praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

I don't usually get involved in ACA threads, because my own feelings are complicated on the matter. But I will point out that if the Democrats had their way, we could have had single payer, universal healthcare. "Medicare for all" would have been simple, as you requested.


Let's be fair now, the public option was blocked by Max Bauchus, a Democrat... mind you he wouldn't have been able to do that if there hadn't been the filibuster threat... but we got stabbed in the back by his Lieberman-esque ways.
 
2012-07-04 02:43:33 AM  
Yea, I didn't even try and I got 10/10. My basis of reasoning was what I knew and then on questions on I didn't know, the opposite of what I thought typical teabaggers thought. Proves more or less, even though Obamacare is crap compared to what this country could have, its still infinitely times better than what this country deserves right now.
 
2012-07-04 02:43:52 AM  

archichris: markie_farkie: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.

Same here,

BUT

Lets be honest, these questions are like the brochure you get from the travel agent on why you should take a vacation to Somalia. They gloss over and obfuscate some rather disturbing realities...

1- There is no way the law pays for itself. Costs will explode, taxes will go up to cover them, and people who have been told they get free coverage through Medicaid will never want to give that up, So the cost will never go down.

2- The questions dwell on Medicare. Which is not effected by the law much at all. So great, your medicare wont change, but there will be death panels in Medicaid and State Insurance exchanges and the inevitable replacement for medicare when they decide to cap enrollment and let the program die off with its last ancient client....then everyone else will just sit in Medicaid for the rest of their lives, probably forbidden from eating sugar and smoking under penalty of imprisonment.

3- Listing many of the benefits of a law as questions and then suggesting that if you don't know how great the law is that you might be uninformed because you got a low score on the test is a lot like Telling you how great the food is in Somalia because look at how eager the inhabitants are to get to it......

4- You are going to see a lot of this from left special interest groups.....an endless litany of all the benefits of the law without really going into how it isn't sustainable without massive taxes on the middle class. Taxes large enough to actually stall the economy forever. Well or they can use the death panel to limit care to the point that simply doubling the cost of the plan will sort of stabilize it at crappy care at twice the price.

5- They have apparently left critical funding language out of the bill......but I am certain that you think that the rest of it is perfect and it cannot possibly result in a horrible health care system. Despite the f ...


Yes, according to conservative math, treating poor people in a clinic setting for pneumonia (about 80 bucks for PCE and an xray) costs way more than the 4400 it costs in an ER setting, mostly because they think nobody has to pay in the ER setting, the poor person will magically come up with the money.

2. You're luck I replied to 1. first, now I just know you're a lame farking troll and I'm done with you. Feel free jam a fork into your circuit breakers, it's as close to a death panel as you'll get, and hopefully it'll be enough.
 
2012-07-04 02:47:28 AM  

archichris: jso2897: whidbey: FutureWars: 10/10, haven't followed it at all. I simply guessed the quiz would be designed to make the bill look as good as possible and answered accordingly.

So none of the correct answers are actually "correct," is that what you're saying?

What ARE you saying?

He's repeating what he thinks is a clever line - he is the sixth person in the thread to use it. Can't even come up with his own snot.

It doesn't matter that the questions have truthful answers. Its like saying that water is a liquid and so is acid. Both facts, but you wouldn't drink both based on that one question would you?

Seriously how stupid do you think people are? I mean I know how stupid the people who want free healthcare are, they have had everything handed to them and they still cant figure out how not to use crack and front load donuts morning noon and night.


The brilliance of your socio-political analysis is simply astounding. You've got it all figured out.
 
2012-07-04 02:50:42 AM  

archichris: jso2897: whidbey: FutureWars: 10/10, haven't followed it at all. I simply guessed the quiz would be designed to make the bill look as good as possible and answered accordingly.

So none of the correct answers are actually "correct," is that what you're saying?

What ARE you saying?

He's repeating what he thinks is a clever line - he is the sixth person in the thread to use it. Can't even come up with his own snot.

It doesn't matter that the questions have truthful answers. Its like saying that water is a liquid and so is acid. Both facts, but you wouldn't drink both based on that one question would you?

Seriously how stupid do you think people are? I mean I know how stupid the people who want free healthcare are, they have had everything handed to them and they still cant figure out how not to use crack and front load donuts morning noon and night.


Thank you for your expert diagnosis of how I got MS and why I'm now uninsurable... I'll do my best to stop doing lines of coke off your girlfriends ass, but it's a pretty sweet ass, so I'm not making any promises.
 
2012-07-04 02:57:44 AM  
10 outta 10!!!

/Jon Stewart is my primary news source.
 
2012-07-04 02:58:20 AM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Yea, I didn't even try and I got 10/10. My basis of reasoning was what I knew and then on questions on I didn't know, the opposite of what I thought typical teabaggers thought. Proves more or less, even though Obamacare is crap compared to what this country could have, its still infinitely times better than what this country deserves right now.


It's a start, and an improvement on what we have now. We'll have to build from where we are, not where we wish we were. Yes, we can do a LOT better - and we will.
 
2012-07-04 03:00:29 AM  

archichris: Lets be honest, these questions are like the brochure you get from the travel agent on why you should take a vacation to Somalia.


Yes, clearing up any confusion over Obamacare is akin to whatever butthurt fantasy you're trying to convince us of.

I learn so much here at the FPT.
 
2012-07-04 03:00:40 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Imagine Australia. Twice as populated. Half as smart.


14 times as populated actually.

Australia - 22.3 million people.
America - 311.6 million people.
 
2012-07-04 03:02:55 AM  
Basically its the same dried up and tired old talking poitns we've heard since well before ObamaCare was passed...

"Just focus on the cherry picked talking points we are using sell this load of horse manure and quit talking about the entire thing!"

As stated, ObamaCare is like a car with a new paint job and good tires that also comes up an engine that breaks down, shoddy suspension, terrible brakes, and a worn out interior... And all liberals can do is scream "But the paint and the tires are good!"
 
2012-07-04 03:03:34 AM  
10/10 first time; that's what happens when you spend an hour each day in comments sections rebutting morons who watch too much Fox News.
 
2012-07-04 03:03:41 AM  
9/10

/Canadian
//You guys still have a long way to go
 
2012-07-04 03:05:45 AM  
I missed #5, #9, and #10 with "don't know".

I scored 7/10.
 
2012-07-04 03:06:31 AM  

randomjsa: Basically its the same dried up and tired old talking poitns we've heard since well before ObamaCare was passed...

"Just focus on the cherry picked talking points we are using sell this load of horse manure and quit talking about the entire thing!"

As stated, ObamaCare is like a car with a new paint job and good tires that also comes up an engine that breaks down, shoddy suspension, terrible brakes, and a worn out interior... And all liberals can do is scream "But the paint and the tires are good!"


Give it up. The future isn't going to go the way you want it to. You need to quit whining, get with the program, and man up and be an American. The rest of the world is weary of your incessant sniveling.
 
2012-07-04 03:11:45 AM  

jso2897: You need to quit whining


You've justified him saying this every single time there's another 'citibank'-style ruling.
 
2012-07-04 03:15:26 AM  

randomjsa: Basically its the same dried up and tired old talking poitns we've heard since well before ObamaCare was passed...

"Just focus on the cherry picked talking points we are using sell this load of horse manure and quit talking about the entire thing!"

As stated, ObamaCare is like a car with a new paint job and good tires that also comes up an engine that breaks down, shoddy suspension, terrible brakes, and a worn out interior... And all liberals can do is scream "But the paint and the tires are good!"


Hey dickbag, how about the Republican plan, that lets us pre-existing assholes die bankrupt?
 
2012-07-04 03:22:24 AM  

randomjsa: Basically its the same dried up and tired old talking poitns we've heard since well before ObamaCare was passed...

"Just focus on the cherry picked talking points we are using sell this load of horse manure and quit talking about the entire thing!"

As stated, ObamaCare is like a car with a new paint job and good tires that also comes up an engine that breaks down, shoddy suspension, terrible brakes, and a worn out interior... And all liberals can do is scream "But the paint and the tires are good!"


So, 0/10, huh?
 
2012-07-04 03:25:58 AM  
10/10, but I used test logic on a few.

Will the health reform law require all businesses, even the smallest ones, to provide health insurance for their employees?

Yeah, when a test question says will it apply to everything, really everything? It means the answer's no.
 
2012-07-04 03:54:21 AM  

praymantis: Does the ACA also give free healthcare to all the innocent people hurt by Obama's drone attacks?


Yes. It's like recycling. If Hillary had passed her healthcare bill back in the '90s, Webb Hubbell would still be with us.
 
2012-07-04 04:28:59 AM  

archichris: markie_farkie: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.

Same here,

BUT

Lets be honest, these questions are like the brochure you get from the travel agent on why you should take a vacation to Somalia. They gloss over and obfuscate some rather disturbing realities...

1- There is no way the law pays for itself. Costs will explode, taxes will go up to cover them, and people who have been told they get free coverage through Medicaid will never want to give that up, So the cost will never go down.

2- The questions dwell on Medicare. Which is not effected by the law much at all. So great, your medicare wont change, but there will be death panels in Medicaid and State Insurance exchanges and the inevitable replacement for medicare when they decide to cap enrollment and let the program die off with its last ancient client....then everyone else will just sit in Medicaid for the rest of their lives, probably forbidden from eating sugar and smoking under penalty of imprisonment.

3- Listing many of the benefits of a law as questions and then suggesting that if you don't know how great the law is that you might be uninformed because you got a low score on the test is a lot like Telling you how great the food is in Somalia because look at how eager the inhabitants are to get to it......

4- You are going to see a lot of this from left special interest groups.....an endless litany of all the benefits of the law without really going into how it isn't sustainable without massive taxes on the middle class. Taxes large enough to actually stall the economy forever. Well or they can use the death panel to limit care to the point that simply doubling the cost of the plan will sort of stabilize it at crappy care at twice the price.

5- They have apparently left critical funding language out of the bill......but I am certain that you think that the rest of it is perfect and it cannot possibly result in a horrible health care system. Despite the f ...


I don't think honest means what you think it means. Also, you apparently have the world's worst travel agent. You made 5 points, none of which has any basis in reality. But you somehow taught yourself how to breathe through your mouth in your sleep, so that's impressive, I guess.

As to your claims:

1) Absolutely: I know that I plan to go into work in the morning and demand a salary reduction so that I will make 132% of poverty level, so that I can get those sweet, sweet Medicaid benefits. Medicaid is so unbelievably awesome that no one in their right mind would ever want to make actual money throughout their life.

2) Death panels? I love it... how retro. Of course both (really good) provisions that were claimed to be 'death panels' were dropped from the legislation. For the record, they were: 1) a provision to cover end-of-life counseling between a doctor and a senior citizen under Medicare, and 2) a Medicare panel tasked with negotiating lower prices for those on Medicare. Clearly either or both of those provisions would have ended freedom as we know it.

3) If you don't know the benefits (as well as the costs -- the two biggest of which were specifically mentioned in the quiz), then you don't know the legislation... period. Sorry if it offends you that (shocking as it may seem) the purpose of the legislation was actually to make our health insurance system less horrible.

4) Wow! Death panels, imaginary taxes, and a bankrupt country! You win the hat trick! Now, all of that only exists in the minds of the clinically insane, and you will all fare much better once the rest of us start covering your medications, but until then, well done.

Of course the other option is that we'll control costs, hold down premiums, and save money through preventative care, but I'm sure your theory sounds better on talk radio.

5) I would write a pithy reply to you here if I had any clue WTF you were talking about. If you need help understanding the various funding sources, I'm sure many of us can provide assistance to you. I do appreciate the imagination required to create future tax increases out of thin air, as well as the cognitive dissonance required to ignore the positive results in Massachusetts and other countries that have implemented similar systems.
 
2012-07-04 04:43:12 AM  
hahahaha 10 out of 10 and i'm not even american
 
2012-07-04 04:44:01 AM  

archichris: death panels

free healthcare


Gee, you're dumb.
 
2012-07-04 05:45:58 AM  

o5iiawah: JerseyTim: "Nearly all" is nebulous. I was factoring in those low-income people who would not get fined.

Tricky question. Unions are also getting waivers for Obamacare but I wouldn't expect a publication like this to count them in the discussion.


Huh?
 
2012-07-04 06:41:51 AM  
8 outta 10, and I'll admit I know next to nothing about the details of Obama-Care.
But knowing our government for what it is, big packages like this tend to come with strings attached.

/If I get this right: They made up a new tax that you don't pay to the government.
/Let that sink in for a moment...
 
2012-07-04 06:47:52 AM  
10/10!! Yay!! WHAR MAH FREEDOMS!!!!!!
 
2012-07-04 06:52:07 AM  

jso2897: Give it up. The future isn't going to go the way you want it to. You need to quit whining, get with the program, and man up and be an American. The rest of the world is weary of your incessant sniveling.


Liberals: "We're going to whine about Citizens United forever but you better shut up about ObamaCare"

Obama: This isn't a tax and its covered by the Commerce Clause

SCOTUS: This is a tax and its not covered by the Commerce Clause

Obama: WOOHOO! I WON!
 
2012-07-04 07:08:07 AM  

randomjsa: jso2897: Give it up. The future isn't going to go the way you want it to. You need to quit whining, get with the program, and man up and be an American. The rest of the world is weary of your incessant sniveling.

Liberals: "We're going to whine about Citizens United forever but you better shut up about ObamaCare"

Obama: This isn't a tax and its covered by the Commerce Clause

SCOTUS: This is a tax and its not covered by the Commerce Clause

Obama: WOOHOO! I WON!


If Romney has any sense, he will pounce on this like a 300-pound welfare mom on a carton of Salems in a Walmart parking lot.
 
2012-07-04 07:29:42 AM  

choo: 10/10! Woohoo. I just thought for each question, "what would a Republican think or do," then chose the opposite. It worked for all but #10.


That phenomenon should be proposed as a theory and given a name. I suggest calling it the Constanza Sub R theorem.
 
2012-07-04 07:50:01 AM  
11. Which state currently leads the nation in average HC premiums?
 
2012-07-04 07:59:42 AM  

L82DPRT: 11. Which state currently leads the nation in average HC premiums?


All of them?
 
2012-07-04 08:27:40 AM  
10 out of 10, and I am Canadian, perhaps Americans should RTFL.
 
2012-07-04 08:36:49 AM  

clovercat: L82DPRT: 11. Which state currently leads the nation in average HC premiums?

All of them?


0/1
 
2012-07-04 08:40:40 AM  
You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.

I still don't support the law as long as there's not a public option. I feel the same way about car insurance as well.
 
2012-07-04 09:08:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I am the one affected by this law and I LIKE THIS LAW.


So because you benefit from the law, you're all for it. That's great, but we're all affected by the law through higher insurance costs, higher taxes, a further crippling national debt.
 
2012-07-04 09:08:24 AM  
10/10

but there is something i want to know about the law that i haven't been able to find anywhere. How much more will my insurance plan cost because i now have to pay for women's medical costs. does anyone know by chance?
 
2012-07-04 09:11:51 AM  
This quiz just seems like propergander, I'll get my opinion from Fox News - there not just fair, their also balanced.
 
2012-07-04 09:12:13 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.

I still don't support the law as long as there's not a public option. I feel the same way about car insurance as well.


I'll go one further, I rather have the option to get private insurance. Of course I would first have to be covered under a public plan.

@L82DPRT for the (0/1) , it saddens me that even on this very special day of our independence, that there are people who deny America's number one standing in the world. We outspend by far every other country when it comes to healthcare. We are numero uno. This is the 4th of July. This is the time to celebrate. Go outside today and cheer! "We're number one!"
 
2012-07-04 09:17:07 AM  
10/10, but I was only answering what the quiz wanted to hear.

What the law promises and what actually happens are very different things.
 
2012-07-04 09:24:38 AM  

tomcatadam: jso2897: You need to quit whining

You've justified him saying this every single time there's another 'citibank'-style ruling.


And he has every right to say that. Did to begin with. I'm not getting your point.
 
2012-07-04 09:29:33 AM  

clovercat: We outspend by far every other country when it comes to healthcare. We are numero uno.


Obamacare won't CHANGE that.
 
2012-07-04 09:43:43 AM  

L82DPRT: clovercat: We outspend by far every other country when it comes to healthcare. We are numero uno.

Obamacare won't CHANGE that.


Possibly not. HR676 is what I wanted to happen. Expanding Medicare coverage from age 65 to birth. But that's not going to happen is it? And your proposal please? Is it do nothing?
 
2012-07-04 09:49:19 AM  

randomjsa: jso2897: Give it up. The future isn't going to go the way you want it to. You need to quit whining, get with the program, and man up and be an American. The rest of the world is weary of your incessant sniveling.

Liberals: "We're going to whine about Citizens United forever but you better shut up about ObamaCare"

Obama: This isn't a tax and its covered by the Commerce Clause

SCOTUS: This is a tax and its not covered by the Commerce Clause

Obama: WOOHOO! I WON!


Hey you farking retard, both sides are biatching about that one.
 
2012-07-04 09:50:33 AM  

Lernaeus: 10/10, but I was only answering what the quiz wanted to hear.

What the law promises and what actually happens are very different things.


You know how I know you don't know shiat about laws? Hint: they promise nothing. They aren't spin doctors. They tell us what we can and can't do, nothing more.
 
2012-07-04 09:50:52 AM  

jso2897: tomcatadam: jso2897: You need to quit whining

You've justified him saying this every single time there's another 'citibank'-style ruling.

And he has every right to say that. Did to begin with. I'm not getting your point.


You mean, as opposed to other laws, that always do exactly what those who passed them expected?
 
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