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(Kaiser Family Foundation)   Before you go yelling about how Obamacare is evil, a tax, will kill grandma, etc, maybe you should take this quiz to see if you even know what's in the bill. Subby got 9/10   (healthreform.kff.org) divider line 740
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2012-07-03 07:44:56 PM

Hobodeluxe: praymantis: Take a look at this:

http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010

sorry I don't trust Grover Norquist.


Something something drown something bathtub. I hope his FAA-less America causes his Gulfstream V to crash into the RNC headquarters.
 
2012-07-03 07:44:59 PM
9/10, missed the Medicaid one.
 
2012-07-03 07:45:16 PM
You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.


I am going to die before this law can save my life. Thats ok.
 
2012-07-03 07:45:40 PM
9/10
 
2012-07-03 07:46:18 PM
Remember what the right-wingers are calling a huge Obama tax hike when Willard Mitt Romney repeats again that he didn't raise taxes in Mass. as governor.
 
2012-07-03 07:46:29 PM

coeyagi: Ned Stark: coeyagi:
Well, which one is "better"? Status quo or Obamacare?

honestly difficult question. lots of variables that cant really honestly assigned a value. in any case, certainly worth neither the effort sunk nor deserving of the lauding it gets.


falcon176: Ned Stark: TURTLE... POWER!ummm, no. "option B sucks" does not imply "option A good"

yes it does lib otherwise why would the GOP be banking their entire election on it

Because their only opponents are democrats? I would not bring my A game either.

So, in summation, I can't really figure out if it will be good or bad, but it wasn't worth the effort or praise. CSB.

//Something something where wings take dream.


no, i just cant really accurately peg how bad increased costs of medicine and strengthening nonsense like the employer insurance system and increasing the extraction rate of wealth from the poor/middle class versus how good it is that people who didnt have coverage will suffer less and catastrophic care wont occasionally bankrupt random people. you cant reduce this shiat to +12 wellness points -10 distribution of wealth points +4 culture points and say that the new system is 20% better.
 
2012-07-03 07:46:31 PM

orclover: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.


I am going to die before this law can save my life. Thats ok.


Everybody dies... not everybody truly lives (to express their outrage on Fark about anything and everything).

//you've LIVED
 
2012-07-03 07:46:37 PM

Mrtraveler01: coeyagi: praymantis: http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010

Ok, so mostly taxes on rich people and corporations.

How much are YOUR taxes going up?

//um, using an ATR link about taxes is like asking Philip Morris if they think smoking causes cancer.

Isn't this Grover Norquist's think tank?

Totally sounds legit...


yeah nothing says legit like a popup of Keith Olbermann being used to raise money that's shoved in your face as soon as you click the link.
 
2012-07-03 07:47:04 PM
1. Will the health reform law require nearly all Americans to have health insurance starting in 2014 or else pay a fine tax?

FTFT
 
2012-07-03 07:47:48 PM

Hobodeluxe: Mrtraveler01: coeyagi: praymantis: http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010

Ok, so mostly taxes on rich people and corporations.

How much are YOUR taxes going up?

//um, using an ATR link about taxes is like asking Philip Morris if they think smoking causes cancer.

Isn't this Grover Norquist's think tank?

Totally sounds legit...

yeah nothing says legit like a popup of Keith Olbermann being used to raise money that's shoved in your face as soon as you click the link.


I got Huffington when I clicked it.

Strange thing was that I agree with what Huffington said.
 
2012-07-03 07:48:02 PM
I don't need no LIBERALS telliin' me how smart I am about a bill I don't like! GOD DAMN IT THEY TOOK OUR FREEDOMS!

i.imgur.com

/Derp a doo!
 
2012-07-03 07:48:43 PM

Ned Stark: coeyagi: Ned Stark: coeyagi:
Well, which one is "better"? Status quo or Obamacare?

honestly difficult question. lots of variables that cant really honestly assigned a value. in any case, certainly worth neither the effort sunk nor deserving of the lauding it gets.


falcon176: Ned Stark: TURTLE... POWER!ummm, no. "option B sucks" does not imply "option A good"

yes it does lib otherwise why would the GOP be banking their entire election on it

Because their only opponents are democrats? I would not bring my A game either.

So, in summation, I can't really figure out if it will be good or bad, but it wasn't worth the effort or praise. CSB.

//Something something where wings take dream.

no, i just cant really accurately peg how bad increased costs of medicine and strengthening nonsense like the employer insurance system and increasing the extraction rate of wealth from the poor/middle class versus how good it is that people who didnt have coverage will suffer less and catastrophic care wont occasionally bankrupt random people. you cant reduce this shiat to +12 wellness points -10 distribution of wealth points +4 culture points and say that the new system is 20% better.


So the problem is you hate change because you can't always quantify it. Just wait... then laud or poop on it.
 
2012-07-03 07:48:46 PM
9/10

/Canadian
 
2012-07-03 07:49:24 PM
10/10

Seems like most Farkers are better informed than 99.6% of Americans.
 
2012-07-03 07:49:25 PM
I missed #1, because while I understood how the mandate would work, I wasn't sure whether the number of Americans to whom it would apply was "nearly all" or not.

Missed #5 because I wasn't sure whether people who make too little to pay taxes - e.g. myself this year - would benefit from a tax credit, and I wasn't sure I could call that "financial help" if not.

So, I think I did OK.
 
2012-07-03 07:49:26 PM

GoldSpider: 1. Will the health reform law require nearly all Americans to have health insurance starting in 2014 or else pay a fine tax?

FTFT


I still don't understand why this is such a big deal. tax, fine, penalty...big f*cking deal.
 
2012-07-03 07:49:40 PM
No idea why the administration isn't making a huge push to get the facts out there. If everybody knew exactly what this reform was going to do, there wouldn't be nearly as many people complaining about it.
 
2012-07-03 07:49:59 PM

Hobodeluxe: Mrtraveler01: coeyagi: praymantis: http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010

Ok, so mostly taxes on rich people and corporations.

How much are YOUR taxes going up?

//um, using an ATR link about taxes is like asking Philip Morris if they think smoking causes cancer.

Isn't this Grover Norquist's think tank?

Totally sounds legit...

yeah nothing says legit like a popup of Keith Olbermann being used to raise money that's shoved in your face as soon as you click the link.


I got Arianna Huffington in my popup. They need to go full Freep and go Ayers or Alinsky.
 
2012-07-03 07:50:58 PM
9/10

poor
 
2012-07-03 07:51:40 PM
I got 10 out of 10 and I'm not even American ffs. Do people not pay ANY attention?

They should have prefaced it with a question about your support/opposition to the bill I guess.. then I could have been more informed than 100% of the people opposed.

Pillocks.
 
2012-07-03 07:51:47 PM
This just in on MSNBC... that Jonathan Krohn wunderkid of conservative values has switched sides and supports Obamacare, gay marriage, etc.

You CAN deprogram them!
 
2012-07-03 07:52:21 PM

Ezy Ryder: 10/10

Seems like most Farkers are better informed than 99.6% of Americans.


I would actually say so. Go onto any other comment section of a news site and you're really see how deranged and stupid some people really are out there.
 
2012-07-03 07:52:24 PM
I can't answer fully because some of this will be indirect i.e. if you tax a health insurance company who pays for
that? The consumer! Same with medical manufacturers, tanning salons(why not tax elective cosmetic surgery?),the flex spending account (this one hurts the most at this moment), investment accounts and medicare tax increase.(I will not get into my W-2 but this can hurt me depending on the year) I can continue if you want but the point is for every dollar given to the government as a tax that is one less dollar used for investment and innovation in the free market. I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.
 
2012-07-03 07:52:30 PM

coeyagi:
So the problem is you hate change because you can't always quantify it. Just wait... then laud or poop on it.


no, this isnt it at all.
 
2012-07-03 07:52:58 PM
"Don't know" shouldn't be counted as an incorrect answer, it should be an abstain. Stupid quiz.
 
2012-07-03 07:54:40 PM

praymantis: I can't answer fully because some of this will be indirect i.e. if you tax a health insurance company who pays for
that? The consumer! Same with medical manufacturers, tanning salons(why not tax elective cosmetic surgery?),the flex spending account (this one hurts the most at this moment), investment accounts and medicare tax increase.(I will not get into my W-2 but this can hurt me depending on the year) I can continue if you want but the point is for every dollar given to the government as a tax that is one less dollar used for investment and innovation in the free market. I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.


If you can tell me how an insurance company innovates, you get +1 internets.
 
2012-07-03 07:54:41 PM
You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.


/I should damnit - I work for one of the health insurance companies that help write the bill
 
2012-07-03 07:55:15 PM

praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.


I don't usually get involved in ACA threads, because my own feelings are complicated on the matter. But I will point out that if the Democrats had their way, we could have had single payer, universal healthcare. "Medicare for all" would have been simple, as you requested.
 
2012-07-03 07:55:29 PM

Blues_X: 10 of 10.


same here

Boo-yah!
 
2012-07-03 07:55:34 PM

praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.


Such as?
 
2012-07-03 07:55:45 PM

Weaver95: I still don't understand why this is such a big deal. tax, fine, penalty...big f*cking deal.


ratpackleague.files.wordpress.com

It's good stuff to know about the law, even if it is a tad selective in what it's intended to convey. I noticed there weren't any questions about how much money it's supposed to save the average insurance customer/taxpayer.
 
2012-07-03 07:56:56 PM

coeyagi: orclover: You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans.


I am going to die before this law can save my life. Thats ok.

Everybody dies... not everybody truly lives (to express their outrage on Fark about anything and everything).

//you've LIVED


Lived? By those standards i'm farking Earnest Hemingway levels of mother farking epic living. Got the god damn beard and everything.
 
2012-07-03 07:56:57 PM

GoldSpider: Weaver95: I still don't understand why this is such a big deal. tax, fine, penalty...big f*cking deal.

[ratpackleague.files.wordpress.com image 245x299]

It's good stuff to know about the law, even if it is a tad selective in what it's intended to convey. I noticed there weren't any questions about how much money it's supposed to save the average insurance customer/taxpayer.


Because it was about the law itself and not the projected outcomes of the law?
 
2012-07-03 07:56:58 PM
i got 10/10 and have no idea how. i haven't been keeping up with anything.
 
2012-07-03 07:57:05 PM

qorkfiend: praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

Such as?


Expand medicare coverage to all Americans.

Done.
 
2012-07-03 07:57:06 PM
8/10. Meh.
 
2012-07-03 07:57:25 PM
10/10. We are the 0.4%!

The scary thing is the breakdown of what people got wrong.

55% of people STILL believe in death panels.
60% think Medicare is being slashed.
75% think absolutely all businesses will be required to provide healthcare to all employees. I'm not sure what percentage think they have to buy health insurance for their babysitter.
73% think that there's going to be a Public Option, or some other new government-run insurance plan.
58% think that illegal immigrants will be eligible for free or discounted health insurance.

Holy hell... we're a breathtakingly misinformed people.

// Pro tip: if your choice in news providers has you believing complete nonsense like the above, maybe its time to expand your horizons a bit.
 
2012-07-03 07:57:26 PM

praymantis: I can continue if you want but the point is for every dollar given to the government as a tax that is one less dollar used for investment and innovation in the free market. I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.


actually, the direct quote is as follows:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953
34th president of US 1953-1961 (1890 - 1969)
 
2012-07-03 07:57:40 PM
Late to the party but "You answered 10 out of 10 questions correctly, better than 99.6% of Americans."

Not bad considering I only read Yahoo news comments and fark, and don't watch TV [but catch TDS online on occasion]
 
2012-07-03 07:58:11 PM

coeyagi: praymantis: I can't answer fully because some of this will be indirect i.e. if you tax a health insurance company who pays for
that? The consumer! Same with medical manufacturers, tanning salons(why not tax elective cosmetic surgery?),the flex spending account (this one hurts the most at this moment), investment accounts and medicare tax increase.(I will not get into my W-2 but this can hurt me depending on the year) I can continue if you want but the point is for every dollar given to the government as a tax that is one less dollar used for investment and innovation in the free market. I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

If you can tell me how an insurance company innovates, you get +1 internets.


I am not referring to insurance companies of banking for that matter neither have innovated anything since the ATM card. But I do believe that the Health Insurance company won't just "eat" the tax they will pass on to us. And that is where we hurt the economy. No one have ever taxed their way out of a recession.
 
2012-07-03 07:58:20 PM
I got 9/10. Screwed up #1, drat.
 
2012-07-03 07:58:48 PM

qorkfiend: praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

Such as?


Tort reform and cross-border competition. Duh!

Those are the only ideas that have ever come from the right on this issue.
 
2012-07-03 07:58:51 PM

coeyagi: Because it was about the law itself and not the projected outcomes of the law?


True, "results" have been a distant secondary goal of laws for some time.
 
2012-07-03 07:59:17 PM

GoldSpider: qorkfiend: praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

Such as?

Expand medicare coverage to all Americans.

Done.


Would this have been able to pass Congress? No.
 
2012-07-03 07:59:59 PM

Mrtraveler01: qorkfiend: praymantis: I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

Such as?

Tort reform and cross-border competition. Duh!

Those are the only ideas that have ever come from the right on this issue.


well, that and obamacare.
 
2012-07-03 08:00:49 PM
10/10

Though since I work in the healthcare industry (and I've read the bill), it's not too unexpected.
 
2012-07-03 08:00:54 PM

praymantis: coeyagi: praymantis: I can't answer fully because some of this will be indirect i.e. if you tax a health insurance company who pays for
that? The consumer! Same with medical manufacturers, tanning salons(why not tax elective cosmetic surgery?),the flex spending account (this one hurts the most at this moment), investment accounts and medicare tax increase.(I will not get into my W-2 but this can hurt me depending on the year) I can continue if you want but the point is for every dollar given to the government as a tax that is one less dollar used for investment and innovation in the free market. I still believe a lot if this could have been accomplished with a simplified law.

If you can tell me how an insurance company innovates, you get +1 internets.

I am not referring to insurance companies of banking for that matter neither have innovated anything since the ATM card. But I do believe that the Health Insurance company won't just "eat" the tax they will pass on to us. And that is where we hurt the economy. No one have ever taxed their way out of a recession.


Ah ... what the hell are you talking about? Insurance companies are not getting further taxed. We have new regulations to abide to and in exchange we get millions of new members.
 
2012-07-03 08:01:03 PM

qorkfiend: Would this have been able to pass Congress? No.


It wasn't even discussed. You know damned well seniors would have been on board.
 
2012-07-03 08:01:24 PM

GoldSpider: coeyagi: Because it was about the law itself and not the projected outcomes of the law?

True, "results" have been a distant secondary goal of laws for some time.


Facepalm. Ok, that has nothing to do with what I said, I was just pointing out that the goal of the quiz was about the facts of the law, you can argue all you want about what the goal of laws are. I wasn't, nor was the survey.
 
2012-07-03 08:01:56 PM

gingerjet: Ah ... what the hell are you talking about? Insurance companies are not getting further taxed. We have new regulations to abide to and in exchange we get millions of new members.


It's hard to believe how people still don't understand what an enormous handout to insurance companies this was.
 
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