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(Al Jazeera)   IKEA criticized for clear-cutting Russian old-growth forests. I didn't even know Russia had particleboard trees   (aljazeera.com) divider line 49
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2012-07-03 04:03:27 PM  
They aren't particleboard, silly.

They're veneer.
 
2012-07-03 04:11:42 PM  
Is that why all their slipcovers now look like cheap track pants?
 
2012-07-03 04:56:45 PM  
Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan.
 
2012-07-03 05:34:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan.


Nor am I a desk.
 
2012-07-03 05:37:51 PM  
Who needs forests when you can have cheap, poorly designed furniture that lasts 3 months?
 
2012-07-03 05:38:16 PM  
Karelia?
As in that part of Finland that the Russians stole from them in 1939?
And they're cutting the trees to build stuff in Finland that they sell in Moscow?

So?
 
2012-07-03 05:39:45 PM  
+1 internets to subby for a good headline
 
2012-07-03 05:40:26 PM  
We're SLASHing price and BURNing the competition this weekend at IKEA!!!!
 
2012-07-03 05:46:23 PM  

malfist: Nadie_AZ: Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan.

Nor am I a desk.


Nor am I an Axe!
 
2012-07-03 05:53:44 PM  
I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.
 
2012-07-03 05:56:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan fläkt.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-03 06:00:04 PM  
TFA: "And we have our licence"

I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until they threw that one up. Mentioning the license just shines a spotlight on the uh... lack of healthy competition in the natural resources market in Russia. Hiding behind a license like that, rather than defending your actions directly against the higher standards of a more... careful nation's extraction regulations, is perhaps the *least* convincing way to argue you're doing *anything* on the up-and-up.
 
2012-07-03 06:01:50 PM  
Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-03 06:06:25 PM  

MrEricSir: Who needs forests when you can have cheap, poorly designed furniture that lasts 3 months?


My friend calls IKEA and products of their ilk "Glit". It's a contraction of Glue and shiat.
 
2012-07-03 06:14:55 PM  

Rude Turnip: Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x440]


IKEA is not suppose to be quality.

I'm not understanding the point of your comment. That other more expensive furniture exist and that it is of higher quality?
 
2012-07-03 06:15:45 PM  

Rude Turnip: Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:


How much? Ikeas futons and couches are a rip off (I have bought dressers and tables, etc)
 
2012-07-03 06:19:38 PM  
Some of IKEA's desks aren't even particleboard anymore; one I bought recently is like a scaffolding of cheap balsa wood overlaid with a thick veneer. It looks solid but its mostly hollow inside... not good if you're trying to mount something to it like a monitor stand.

//Ikea's reputation is well-deserved.
 
2012-07-03 06:23:33 PM  

Torqueknot: malfist: Nadie_AZ: Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan.

Nor am I a desk.

Nor am I an Axe!


Are you the Sofa King?
 
2012-07-03 06:33:42 PM  
Do they cut those trees down with an Allen wrench?

MrEricSir: Who needs forests when you can have cheap, poorly designed furniture that lasts 3 months?


We have an Ikea bed frame that we've had for about 20 years. But as a counterpoint, I bought a small side table I planned to use as a laptop stand and it lasted two days.
 
2012-07-03 06:39:28 PM  
Al Gore cries himself to sleep in his 20,000 square foot mansion consuming 1.21 jiggawatts of power per hour.
 
2012-07-03 06:44:33 PM  

FreetardoRivera: Rude Turnip: Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x440]

IKEA is not suppose to be quality.

I'm not understanding the point of your comment. That other more expensive furniture exist and that it is of higher quality?


At this point I'm just trying to justify the price I paid for that piece of furniture :-)
 
2012-07-03 06:54:41 PM  
Just cordon off the other half of Russia. Problem solved. That place is huge.
 
2012-07-03 06:59:26 PM  

Rude Turnip: FreetardoRivera: Rude Turnip: Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x440]

IKEA is not suppose to be quality.

I'm not understanding the point of your comment. That other more expensive furniture exist and that it is of higher quality?

At this point I'm just trying to justify the price I paid for that piece of furniture :-)


buying the best feels good. do it whenever you can.
 
2012-07-03 07:09:12 PM  
buying furniture is for rich prissy fancy pants guppies
 
2012-07-03 07:09:40 PM  

doosh: I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.


It amazes me that people find following simple step by step instructions to be a biatch.
 
2012-07-03 07:26:42 PM  
I heard Ted furnished his Boston apartment for $47 at IKEA
 
2012-07-03 07:47:44 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Haven't been to an Ikea in years. I'm not a fan.


I'm not really a fan of most of their furniture these days, much of which is now overpriced for what you get. However, some of their cheaper pieces, parts and stuff found in the clearance room can be frankensteined into some cool and functional items on the cheap with a little creativity. I once built a wall-mounted bathroom cabinet with about $15 worth of parts found in the clearance room and a piece of 1x6 from Home Depot.

Also, meatballs.
 
2012-07-03 07:48:47 PM  
IKEA: Making furniture for college kids and divorced men...
 
2012-07-03 07:53:05 PM  

JJRRutgers: IKEA: Making furniture for college kids and divorced men...


HA! Like divorced men can afford IKEA.
 
2012-07-03 08:01:37 PM  

BokChoy: Some of IKEA's desks aren't even particleboard anymore; one I bought recently is like a scaffolding of cheap balsa wood overlaid with a thick veneer. It looks solid but its mostly hollow inside... not good if you're trying to mount something to it like a monitor stand.

//Ikea's reputation is well-deserved.


A lot of the lower priced pieces are made from inexpensive interior doors with a thin veneer or foil on it. Those are made from a dense fiberboard shell surrounding a void packed with corrugated cardboard.

I had a $30 coffee table made from it. Didn't take long before a chip in the veneer plus drink condensation caused the fiber to swell making it blister and peel.

But... its a $30 coffee table.

The beds are much better made, with steel supports. And I can't complain about my 10 year old sofa either.

I was in ikea recently and I was surprised to see that many of the ultracheap items (like the $30 coffee table) seem to be discontinued.
 
2012-07-03 08:02:38 PM  

JJRRutgers: IKEA: Making furniture for college kids and divorced men...


Ikea makes cinder blocks, boards, old wire spools, milk crates and old couches on the side of the road?
 
2012-07-03 08:04:54 PM  
I'm a woodworker, and I'm deeply concerned about this. Old growth is for making quality furntiure, not IKEA crap. Of course, if you take any forest and wait 50 years, bam, now it's old growth, so who really cares? They're trees, they grow back faster than you think.
 
2012-07-03 08:18:35 PM  

Krieghund: doosh: I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.

It amazes me that people find following simple step by step instructions to be a biatch.


We don't mind the step by step instructions. It's the fact it is 110 steps and takes half a day that gets people riled. I understand that we are getting what we pay for but it doesn't make it any less frustrating in the moment.

Plus, personally, I find it to be the most uncomfortable furniture I have ever sat on. I have never bought a piece of furniture from there. Their lighting is about the only thing decent. If it's your bag, great but I want comfy.

//spent 2.5 hours this weekend putting together a TV stand from Costco and didn't even get the mount on yet. Instructions were simple but many, many steps & much time. Understood that going in but still lost my temper a few times.
//looks great though :)
 
2012-07-03 08:36:45 PM  
Just put them back with an alan wrench, some pegs and glue. They will be better than new. Förest.
 
2012-07-03 08:42:00 PM  
I don't get the IKEA hate. IKEA, like any other retail store in the world, has varying levels of quality. Buy the nicer stuff and it lasts just fine. I have 2 IKEA bedroom sets that are solid wood and they have held up great.

The particle board/veneer crap is worthless no matter where you buy from.
 
2012-07-03 08:48:41 PM  
People just hate Ikea because they present an upscale image, but much of what they sell is crap. Also if you want to pay for real furniture, why go to Ikea?
 
2012-07-03 08:52:54 PM  
Because with the money I saved buying IKEA bedroom sets I went and bought a name brand sofa.
 
2012-07-03 09:44:44 PM  
lack of warmth


JJRRutgers: IKEA: Making furniture for college kids and divorced men...

Ikea makes cinder blocks, boards, old wire spools, milk crates and old couches on the side of the road?


You just described the decor of my home, minus the wire spools. Living room has a muddy mountain bike, climbing gear and a chainsaw as well as some wet rain gear at the moment. Why yes I am a dirtbag, why do you ask?

/don't give a f*ck about furniture
 
2012-07-03 09:49:28 PM  

NewWorldDan: I'm a woodworker, and I'm deeply concerned about this. Old growth is for making quality furntiure, not IKEA crap. Of course, if you take any forest and wait 50 years, bam, now it's old growth, so who really cares? They're trees, they grow back faster than you think.


Well, like somebody else said, its for veneer, you can veneer a lot more particle board furniture from an old tree than you could build real furniture from the same amount of wood.
 
2012-07-03 10:01:14 PM  
Ikea's kitchen cabinets are a good deal though. Yes they're particleboard, but so are a lot of other brands that sell for twice the price and are no better.
 
2012-07-03 10:19:23 PM  
NewWorldDan

Of course, if you take any forest and wait 50 years, bam, now it's old growth, so who really cares?

Absolutely wrong. Old growth forest are dominated by climax species via a process called succession. So if you have a 100 year old lodgepole pine forest it is not old growth until the fir take over and hit about 400 years old or the cedar after 600 years....that's why I CARE!!!

/Yes, trees grow back. I don't live for a 1000 years so I would like to preserve some to enjoy, OK?
 
2012-07-03 10:25:46 PM  
I live right near High Point, where people still make quality, solid wood furniture. I'm typing from a desk that my dad used as a kid, made from nice, solid hardwood, that was hardly expensive when he got it, but it's still going strong.

Fark Ikea. I hate disposable crap, and they're some of the worst offenders. I simply can't stand the idea of old growth forests being cut to pump out shiat that'll last for all of two months.

Is it wrong that I like decent craftsmanship and things that last? It sure as hell seems to be unusual these days...

Buy from goodwill or the salvation army. Or a used furniture consignment store. Or an antique store- you can get the nice stuff, or you can get the worn stuff that you can refinish yourself (nice weekend project). It'll look nicer, last longer, and is greener to boot. Oh, and often cheaper.
 
2012-07-03 10:49:41 PM  

lack of warmth: JJRRutgers: IKEA: Making furniture for college kids and divorced men...

Ikea makes cinder blocks, boards, old wire spools, milk crates and old couches on the side of the road?


'Cause every one has a home
And if you don't have a home, you can buy one there.


/JoCo FTW
 
2012-07-03 11:20:03 PM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2012-07-03 11:20:47 PM  

doosh: I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.


It's only a biatch to put together for the retarded. I've never had a problem.

And on that note, fark you subtard. None of the furniture we own from Ikea has an ounce of particle board or MDF/HDF in it, farkyouverymuch. Solid wood, all through out.

/asshat
 
2012-07-04 12:11:22 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: doosh: I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.

It's only a biatch to put together for the retarded. I've never had a problem.

And on that note, fark you subtard. None of the furniture we own from Ikea has an ounce of particle board or MDF/HDF in it, farkyouverymuch. Solid wood, all through out.

/asshat


I agree; we bought tons of trees and plants from IKEA and not one of them was made from particle board.
 
2012-07-04 02:06:02 AM  

Rude Turnip: Fark IKEA, BoConcept is where it's at for quality Scandinavian furniture. They price their furniture like Apple prices their computers, but the quality is stellar. Plus, they deliver it and assemble it for you. I purchased this sexy biatch in black:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x440]


Vow. That is ugly...
 
2012-07-04 12:58:03 PM  
IKEA isn't cutting down the old growth Russian forests. It's that they're buying wood from illegal chinese loggers (they're pretty much "tree poachers") along with other legal sources.
 
2012-07-04 03:00:52 PM  

Krieghund: doosh: I don't get all the hate. IKEA-ware holds up as well as the pricier "regular" furniture the kind you'd find at a mall. The tradeoff is that it's a biatch to put together.

It amazes me that people find following simple step by step instructions to be a biatch.


I don't buy Ikea stuff anymore- I consider it furniture for "your first set of furniture" until you get something really nice- your "last set of furniture".

That being said, I put together a lot of Ikea crap. The instructions were not bad but some things were extremely tedious to put together. Ikea might not use sweat shops, but they turn YOU into a sweat shop worker.
 
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