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(New York Magazine)   The Romney Campaign confuses "a Venn diagram" with "not a Venn diagram"   (nymag.com) divider line 169
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2012-07-03 11:54:33 AM
There's no evidence presented that anyone other than the columnist thinks that's a Venn diagram, instead of just an eye-catching graphic. What evidence is presented speaks only to the author's bias against the Romney campaign.
 
2012-07-03 12:00:09 PM

gerrymander: There's no evidence presented that anyone other than the columnist thinks that's a Venn diagram, instead of just an eye-catching graphic.


You mean other than fact that the eye-catching graphic is in fact a Venn diagram? Yeah, other than that there is absolutely no evidence.
 
2012-07-03 12:00:35 PM

gerrymander: There's no evidence presented that anyone other than the columnist thinks that's a Venn diagram, instead of just an eye-catching graphic. What evidence is presented speaks only to the author's bias against the Romney campaign.


Oh, please. Do go on.
 
2012-07-03 12:03:37 PM
 
2012-07-03 12:06:37 PM
Actually -- and it's not unusual that many wouldn't know this, it's not a common fact at all and leads to frequent mistakes -- Lord Venn himself, who invented the Venn Diagram, specifically said that it could not be considered a Venn Diagram at all if the opposing circles are red and blue. It's an interesting caveat, actually, and a good way to see who really knows what they're doing.
 
2012-07-03 12:08:52 PM

JerseyTim: The point they're trying to make doesn't hold up either.


Wow, Romney lied in a way that was easily verifiable? I just can't believe it.
 
2012-07-03 12:12:12 PM

palladiate: Wow, Romney lied in a way that was easily verifiable? I just can't believe it.


Mendacity is the theme of Mitt's campaign.
 
2012-07-03 12:16:13 PM

Pocket Ninja: Actually -- and it's not unusual that many wouldn't know this, it's not a common fact at all and leads to frequent mistakes -- Lord Venn himself, who invented the Venn Diagram, specifically said that it could not be considered a Venn Diagram at all if the opposing circles are red and blue. It's an interesting caveat, actually, and a good way to see who really knows what they're doing.


10/10 if you'd left out the last sentence. Final: 9/10
 
2012-07-03 12:22:35 PM
So does that mean the "Replace" step of Romney's "Repeal and Replace" campaign promise is going to lower costs? When do we get that plan and get it scored by the CBO?
 
2012-07-03 12:24:47 PM

Pocket Ninja: Actually -- and it's not unusual that many wouldn't know this, it's not a common fact at all and leads to frequent mistakes -- Lord Venn himself, who invented the Venn Diagram, specifically said that it could not be considered a Venn Diagram at all if the opposing circles are red and blue. It's an interesting caveat, actually, and a good way to see who really knows what they're doing.


I went to school with Master Venn, so i'm getting a kick out of your reply.

He says hi, by the way.
 
2012-07-03 12:43:13 PM
I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.
 
2012-07-03 12:45:14 PM
Even if you take the words at face value and ignore the economic details, it fails a basic logic test. If Obama said premiums would go down after he got universal health care through in his first term but they haven't, the fact that an integral part of the argument's premise (passing universal health care) is false renders the conclusion false.
 
2012-07-03 12:46:55 PM

Weaver95: I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.


They were SO SURE it was going to be overturned. After all, even the liberal media was saying it. They had no plan b.
 
2012-07-03 12:46:58 PM

Lumpmoose: So does that mean the "Replace" step of Romney's "Repeal and Replace" campaign promise is going to lower costs? When do we get that plan and get it scored by the CBO?


Romney's plan (I suspect) is to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare, which is basically identical, except that it has a much cooler name.

In fact, they're so similar that you don't even need to repeal Obamacare; you can just start calling it Romneycare" and everything will be cool.
 
2012-07-03 12:48:07 PM

Weaver95: I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.


So, it's a Tuesday.
 
2012-07-03 12:48:26 PM
Does anyone have a higher resolution image? I cannot get one from the linked article or the Romney site. My eyesight is rather good, but the small text in the "Result" section is unreadable. I imagine the average Romney voter is having trouble with other parts, as well.
 
2012-07-03 12:48:35 PM
i.qkme.me

Not knowing what a Venn diagram is? From the party of Rick "what a snob" Santorum? Inconcievable!
 
2012-07-03 12:48:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.

They were SO SURE it was going to be overturned. After all, even the liberal media was saying it. They had no plan b.


yeah, but i'm listening to Rush LImbaugh disintegrate today. he's practically babbling. rants about 'the rich getting away with not paying their fair share' then off to 'Roberts betrayed us' to 'we have to defeat this great evil'. I can't understand a damn thing he's talking about.
 
2012-07-03 12:49:01 PM
The Romney campaign seems to be a few bricks shy of a load, so this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
 
2012-07-03 12:49:47 PM

BritneysSpeculum: gerrymander: There's no evidence presented that anyone other than the columnist thinks that's a Venn diagram, instead of just an eye-catching graphic.

You mean other than fact that the eye-catching graphic is in fact a Venn diagram? Yeah, other than that there is absolutely no evidence.


No. That is a graphis that superficially appears to be a venn diagram. To actually be a venn diagram it needs to show all possible logical relations between a finite collection of sets (aggregation of things).
 
2012-07-03 12:49:48 PM

Weaver95: I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.


so...it's Tuesday?
 
2012-07-03 12:49:56 PM
 
2012-07-03 12:49:59 PM

JerseyTim: The point they're trying to make doesn't hold up either.


That's lovely. Even when they're pointing out that Romney is a bald face liar, they still spend 3/4 of the article takling about how stupid Obama is.
 
2012-07-03 12:50:33 PM
The mandatory abortions and death panels haven't materialized.

Grandma? She's still plugged in, despite Obama's promise to pull the plug on the old bat.

Obamacare: Promises broken.
 
2012-07-03 12:50:56 PM

Weaver95: rants about 'the rich getting away with not paying their fair share'


What is this I don't even. I though the rich were getting fleeced by taxes or something? Why the sudden concern about soaking the rich?
 
2012-07-03 12:51:04 PM

Slaxl: Pocket Ninja: Actually -- and it's not unusual that many wouldn't know this, it's not a common fact at all and leads to frequent mistakes -- Lord Venn himself, who invented the Venn Diagram, specifically said that it could not be considered a Venn Diagram at all if the opposing circles are red and blue. It's an interesting caveat, actually, and a good way to see who really knows what they're doing.

I went to school with Master Venn, so i'm getting a kick out of your reply.

He says hi, by the way.


I went to school with Master Scatter-Graff,

He was always all over the place.
 
2012-07-03 12:51:51 PM
Seriously liberals? That's obviously not a Venn DIAGRAM, it's the lesser known Factual Venntipede. Facts are fed through the mouth, fall through the gap and then excrement comes out the end.
 
2012-07-03 12:52:07 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Weaver95: I honestly have no idea what the hell the GOP is talking about anymore. Limbaugh is ranting about 'the rich' getting away with health care, mumbling something about corruption and basically being incoherent. Romney looks like he's still compiling an answer from his database select statements and our local GOP shills are repeating talking points and doing nothing else.

So, it's a Tuesday.


oh FARK YOU MAN!

seriously, how the hell do we make the same joke in less then a minute.

\weird...
\\its like we're in the Twilight Zone of politics tab...
 
2012-07-03 12:52:11 PM
How it's meant to be.

lh5.ggpht.com

This next couple are confusing, but still right. Romney isn't even close to this.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-03 12:52:26 PM
near as I can figure, the GOP believes that Obamacare is evil and needs to be stopped. that's pretty clear. but so far none of the GOP pundits seem to be able to clearly articulate what's so bad about Obamacare. oh sure, Limbaugh is saying that 'the gubbermint can now order us around on a whim' but dude - really? where were you when the patriot act was passed? where were you during the war on drugs? If the GOP's talking point is 'Obamacare is anti-freedom' then lets quit f*cking around and repeal the gotdamn patriot act and legalize cannabis. if you believe in freedom, then ALL the laws that are restricting our freedoms need to go. NO EXCEPTIONS there Republicans! all or nothing.
 
2012-07-03 12:53:52 PM

theorellior: Weaver95: rants about 'the rich getting away with not paying their fair share'

What is this I don't even. I though the rich were getting fleeced by taxes or something? Why the sudden concern about soaking the rich?


the newest GOP talking point is that we should be upset at Obamacare because Obamacare gives the rich a free pass and that's a bad thing. Rush Limbaugh actually said this on air.
 
2012-07-03 12:54:22 PM
The price of HC keeps going up so vote for the guy who refuses to articulate a plan to improve things over the guy who's been working on the problem since day one?

Okay, I can see a couple of problems with that stratagery there.

/Considering how much money Mittens is spending on them his campaign staff seems woefully unprofessional and laughably inept.
//Not complaining here, just noting.
 
2012-07-03 12:54:26 PM
I'm no fan of Romney, but this complaint is a little petty.
 
2012-07-03 12:54:49 PM
lifefeed.net
 
2012-07-03 12:55:06 PM

BritneysSpeculum: palladiate: Wow, Romney lied in a way that was easily verifiable? I just can't believe it.

Mitt-acity is the theme of Mitt's campaign.


FTFY

/That's an awesome word. I'm going try and work that in to conversation today.
 
2012-07-03 12:55:14 PM
Now Rush is saying that there is no such thing as solar power.
 
2012-07-03 12:55:40 PM

vernonFL: The mandatory abortions and death panels haven't materialized.

Grandma? She's still plugged in, despite Obama's promise to pull the plug on the old bat.

Obamacare: Promises broken.


My last surviving grandparents died April 2009. Successfully death-paneled by Obama.

// not really, although we did let my grandfather go after some end-of-life consults with his docs
 
2012-07-03 12:55:42 PM

Weaver95: near as I can figure, the GOP believes that Obamacare is evil and needs to be stopped. that's pretty clear. but so far none of the GOP pundits seem to be able to clearly articulate what's so bad about Obamacare.


I thought it was obvious enough to not need stating:

- Non-millionaires might benefit.
- Government revenue may increase.
- Obama supports it.
 
2012-07-03 12:55:59 PM

Weaver95: the newest GOP talking point is that we should be upset at Obamacare because Obamacare gives the rich a free pass and that's a bad thing. Rush Limbaugh actually said this on air.


This must be what an aneurysm feels like.
 
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2012-07-03 12:56:04 PM
blog.visual.ly
 
2012-07-03 12:57:07 PM

that bosnian sniper: Weaver95: the newest GOP talking point is that we should be upset at Obamacare because Obamacare gives the rich a free pass and that's a bad thing. Rush Limbaugh actually said this on air.

This must be what an aneurysm feels like.



I've never seen Oxy spelt that way before.
 
2012-07-03 12:57:07 PM
So that's what RolandGunner has been doing lately.
 
2012-07-03 12:57:20 PM

Weaver95: near as I can figure, the GOP believes that Obamacare is evil and needs to be stopped. that's pretty clear. but so far none of the GOP pundits seem to be able to clearly articulate what's so bad about Obamacare.


As explained by the Daily Show republicans want all of the protections put in place but hate having to pay for it.
 
2012-07-03 12:58:04 PM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2012-07-03 12:58:10 PM

Weaver95: Now Rush is saying that there is no such thing as solar power.


I had solar powered pocket calculators back in the 80's. Is he calling them imaginary, or impossible without Ronald Reagan? :P
 
2012-07-03 12:58:40 PM
I really do get a kick out of the GOP 'Obamacare is anti-freedom' talking point. the Republicans DO NOT give a f*ck about freedom. Yet here they are, saying that our freedom is in danger.
 
2012-07-03 12:58:51 PM

Jackpot777: How it's meant to be.

[lh5.ggpht.com image 424x316]

This next couple are confusing, but still right. Romney isn't even close to this.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x467]


I love that episode. Just watched it last night. You did miss the pie chart of how low Barney's scoring average is compared to one-handed pitcher (yes, pitcher) Jim Abbott's batting average though.
 
2012-07-03 12:58:52 PM
My chalkboard laughs at their futile attempt at a venn diagram.

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-03 01:00:18 PM
Red + Blue != BLACK
 
2012-07-03 01:00:43 PM

Alphax: Weaver95: Now Rush is saying that there is no such thing as solar power.

I had solar powered pocket calculators back in the 80's. Is he calling them imaginary, or impossible without Ronald Reagan? :P


apparently solar power is impossible, doesn't exist and cannot be done. Because socialisms. Then he changed the subject and said more incomprehensible things about 'loss of freedom'.
 
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