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2012-07-03 08:12:44 PM
I work for an ISP that uses PPPoE for the wireless and DSL connections. Therefore I cannot stand the e-series Cisco routers, and their habit of disconnecting and reconnecting every 30 seconds no matter what you set the connect mode to, and regardless of whether or not the connection is in use.

Also, here is a list of how my customers have pronounced Linksys:

Linski (by far the most popular)
Linkski
Linksystems
Link Eye
Link 5 Y 5
Lynx
Ling-bees (seriously!)
Link
Linkies
 
2012-07-03 08:35:42 PM
It's bad enough the cable company here locks you out of tweaking the modem/router because too many people didn't know how to work the farking web interface -- and you cannot log into the modem to make it a bridge with your own router until you give them a call for the username/password to get inside it. Stuck with their SSID and weak ass encryption too.

/at least its 40mbps
 
2012-07-03 09:19:30 PM

DanZero: It's bad enough the cable company here locks you out of tweaking the modem/router because too many people didn't know how to work the farking web interface -- and you cannot log into the modem to make it a bridge with your own router until you give them a call for the username/password to get inside it. Stuck with their SSID and weak ass encryption too.

/at least its 40mbps


Telus, here in Canada, imposes upon its users an all-in-one Wireless router / ADSL modem. That's all fine and good until you find that the firmware has been replaced with a Telus special. Even if you disable WiFi, it broadcasts a "TELUSXXXX" (where X is an arbitrary number) SSID so they can sell the bandwidth they already sold to you, to subscribers of their WiFi anywhere product. Since every other household uses Telus, you're almost always near a Telus hotspot. There is a direct-to-WAN port so your own devices can get a public IP, but Telus has disabled that port in their firmware so that the only device that can get an IP is the one router they provide. Then they have disabled all of the advanced features of the device and require you to call them to make any changes.

Confront them on the phone and they offer to let you change to a simple featureless ADSL modem for an additional fee.
 
2012-07-03 11:00:20 PM
Gone through 7 Linksys PCI wireless cards. Not a single one worked properly or consistently.

$5 cheap pieces of crap from Dealextreme have yet to fail me, however.
 
2012-07-03 11:35:21 PM
So what if they loose all their owners that watch porn and/or illegally download things. That couldn't be more than a couple of hundred people. Right?

Moral high ground? I guess if your into that sorta thing. Thinking 100% of your customers aren't watching porn and/or downloading something they shouldn't once in a whole is just stupid.
 
2012-07-03 11:58:23 PM

NBSV: So what if they loose all their owners that watch porn and/or illegally download things. That couldn't be more than a couple of hundred people. Right?

Moral high ground? I guess if your into that sorta thing. Thinking 100% of your customers aren't watching porn and/or downloading something they shouldn't once in a whole is just stupid.


-- sent from my iPhone
 
2012-07-04 12:24:58 AM
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2012-07-04 02:11:06 AM
Babwa Wawa: the specs for the EA3500 are more in line with the airport extreme, which can be had for $172.
I'm no apple fanboi - I don't have a lick of gear from them, but I don't think the airports are that overpriced.


I think both of them are overpriced :D

I've read instructables where someone takes a ~$60 router, solders a pair of USB connection on it, and loads the proper firmware image. Boom, network storage and print server.

At its core, the firmware is Linux based (which is why they had to release the original WRT firmware, it was under the GNU license IIRC). From there, it was easy enough to add services for it to act as a print server (it's linux, so you can use CUPS) or networked storage (free NAS, open NAS, etc). DD-WRT already supports this functionality.

So if most of the onus of supporting this stuff is on the software side (and that's already a done deal), then hardware wise, there's not a huge difference between a $50 router and a $150+ router. (if the $150 one doesn't have onboard storage). Maybe one has more flash ram or a slightly faster CPU, and it has some USB ports that really cost the manufacturer a few cents in components and a few bucks worth of design time.

So I see no reason for the damn things to be 2-3x the price of a standard router.

// I already have a desktop, that $100 price difference is another 500GB drive for my RAID :D
 
2012-07-04 02:29:10 AM
Babwa Wawa: the specs for the EA3500 are more in line with the airport extreme, which can be had for $172.
I'm no apple fanboi - I don't have a lick of gear from them, but I don't think the airports are that overpriced.


A little bit of FAQ searching.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/USB

"The cost of USB-capable network routers starts at $45 for the Asus WL-520gU (as of September 23, 2009), depending on capability, but the ability to add external hardware easily makes these far more powerful units. "

(I just checked on newegg, they're available for $42.99 right now after rebate, four eggs with 590 ratings ... it only has one port though so you would have to throw in $5-10 for a USB hub :P)

// The cheapest linksys I could find with a built in USB port was an E2100L for $105

/// For folks that don't need USB, I just noticed that the WRT54GLs are currently on sale at newegg for $50 (they were $65 when I looked the other day),
 
2012-07-04 03:52:03 AM
I retired my WRT54GL in favour of an E4200 mostly so that I could get wireless N. At first I was bummed to see the EA4500 come out soon after but at least the E4200 is disrespect cloud free.

This is dumbest idea I've ever heard, I'll be looking elsewhere for my next (probably 802.11ac) purchase.
 
2012-07-04 05:32:00 AM
Using a dlink dir-615 sold directly by Videotron. Stock software, works wonders. Modem is separate and you cant modify anything on it.
 
2012-07-04 10:41:17 AM
I recall hearing that there is already a law that any time you look at a porn pic, a message is sent to the administration (or something like that). This sounds like an expanded result of that.
 
2012-07-04 10:42:52 AM

lordargent: // The cheapest linksys I could find with a built in USB port was an E2100L for $105


I've been waiting for them to go to USB3, in order to be more compatible with the current external drives.
 
2012-07-04 10:43:31 AM
Rather, download a porn pic...
 
2012-07-04 08:26:11 PM
Lord, God, I wish I could comment on this, but I don't work for the Linksys side. This actually, really, surprises me. Consumer suuuuuure works a hell of a lot differently than Enterprise!!!!
 
2012-07-04 09:52:32 PM
OpenBSD and pf ftw.
 
2012-07-05 12:25:10 AM
IronTom: I've been waiting for them to go to USB3, in order to be more compatible with the current external drives.

I don't know why companies don't take a good design that they have and make minor modifications and improvements over the years, vs redesigning the entire thing every X number of years.

It seems to me that once you've made a badass design like the WRT, maybe add some USB ports down the road, an SD card slot. Release an N version, etc.

Let economies of scale and the methodical drop in the price of tech continually add to the profit you make per device.

EX, these are the newegg rating stats for the WRT54GL.

5 stars 82% (3,024)
4 stars 9% (339)
3 stars 3% (97)
2 stars 2% (80)
1 stars 4% (133)

// and I'm willing to bet that a lot of those 1 & 2 star reviews are using the crappy stock firmware :D

So what's it missing? USB ports and 802.11n capability.

So what did the hardware hackers do? Figured out a way to solder USB ports onto it.

// should have re-released a version with USB ports for a reasonable increase in price ($10 more?) and it would have sold like hotcakes. Instead, they released 1) A version with fixed antennae (so that it was no longer easy to replace stock antennae with high gain or directional ones) and 2) A version with internal antennae.
 
2012-07-05 12:55:45 AM

IronTom: I've been waiting for them to go to USB3, in order to be more compatible with the current external drives.


If by compatible you mean getting faster speeds, you're wasting your time with routers. Most go about 5-10 MB/s with the fastest the E4200 v2 barely cracking 20 MB/s, compared to about 30 MB/s that USB 2.0 is capable of. They would have to vastly improve the router performance in this area to make putting USB3 on them at all worth it.

NAS units with USB ports can do a bit better. Good ones can get 25-30 MB/s on USB2 but often the USB3 is still disappointing. Really you're best off the just plugging the drive into a computer and sharing it over the network.
 
2012-07-05 11:18:28 AM

IronTom: I recall hearing that there is already a law that any time you look at a porn pic, a message is sent to the administration (or something like that). This sounds like an expanded result of that.


There might be something on the books if you are visiting a known child porn site or something. But nobody is getting a note everytime you load up redtube or anything like that.
 
2012-07-05 04:58:16 PM

babtras: All the talk of OpenWRT and DD-WRT (excellent distros) makes me want to chime in, no matter how late to the party I might be.

I cast my vote in favour of pfSense on mini-ITX rigs. Enterprise class firewall / router Free-BSD distro. I have acted as a cheerleader for this for the last couple of years and have brought several of my Network Engineer colleagues into the light. I am proud to report that I have costed Cisco a ton of business by having pfSense deployed on HP ProLiant hardware where big ASA / PIX, and router deployments would normally have happened. The fact that you can perform CARP failover, redundant WAN connections, and can acquire enterprise support for peanuts (often a requirement of company policies) makes pfSense a no-brainer.


After reading your comment, I threw pfSense on an old P4 to see what it could do.

Very impressive. I really like the broad features. I just wish I had a lower power device to run it on. I had running a full PC for a router.

Just gotta get QoS working properly now...
 
2012-07-05 11:19:30 PM
Scientology has been infiltrating Cisco for quite a while now. This smells like them.
 
2012-07-06 03:11:04 PM

gingerjet: Durendal: This is why God made DD-WRT. I find it funny that companies like Cisco, with tons of money, total knowledge of the product, and expertise for this sort of thing, still crank out firmware that's absolute crap compared to what some guys put together in their spare time.

DD-WRT is completely shiat. The third time it crashed, it reset its settings back to its default which created an open wireless access point. I threw the whole thing out.

/using a netgear n600 now - not a single problem
//generally like cisco for anything but security
///juniper certified


That's the exact opposite of my experience. Never had a problem with DD-WRT, but I've had nothing but problems with the horrid dogshiat that Netgear makes. I've even seen unmanaged switches from them blast a network with piss when you hook up a different brand, I shiat you not.
 
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