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(Denver Channel)   Homeowner claims thieves who stole his "Vote Satan" sign from yard committed hate crime   (thedenverchannel.com) divider line 54
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2012-07-03 11:57:22 AM  
He spelled Romney wrong.
 
2012-07-03 11:58:58 AM  
He spelled Fartbongo Usurper Soetoro Bin Allah wrong.
 
2012-07-03 11:59:17 AM  
Well, why NOT vote Satan? This is America - we don't settle for the lesser ANYTHING, even when it comes to evil.
 
2012-07-03 12:00:11 PM  
Maybe someone just really liked the sign?
 
2012-07-03 12:00:38 PM  
In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, or gender identity.

Nope, didn't see moron in there.
 
2012-07-03 12:02:24 PM  
His yard looks like Halloween year round. I'm surprised more shiat doesn't get stolen.
 
2012-07-03 12:03:10 PM  

untaken_name: Well, why NOT vote Satan? This is America - we don't settle for the lesser ANYTHING, even when it comes to evil.


faroutshirts.com
 
Slu
2012-07-03 12:03:49 PM  
All politicians are evil, so I still don't know who to vote for.
 
2012-07-03 12:06:47 PM  
He spelled Affordable Health Care for America Act wrong
 
2012-07-03 12:07:14 PM  

Slu: All politicians are evil, so I still don't know who to vote for.


www.serijala.com
 
2012-07-03 12:09:18 PM  
Now THIS guy I want for a neighbour.
 
2012-07-03 12:10:48 PM  

Krieghund: untaken_name: Well, why NOT vote Satan? This is America - we don't settle for the lesser ANYTHING, even when it comes to evil.

[faroutshirts.com image 420x420]


Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
 
2012-07-03 12:10:57 PM  
No irony tag? Finally a legitimate use for it and you disappoint me, Fark.
 
2012-07-03 12:11:31 PM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
Vote Hunson Abadeer for ruler of the Nightosphere.
 
2012-07-03 12:24:06 PM  

Slu: All politicians are evil, so I still don't know who to vote for.


Both sides are equally bad, so vote Republican? Uh huh.
 
2012-07-03 12:25:07 PM  
The Devil you say!?!
 
2012-07-03 12:25:40 PM  
www.unc.edu

Have this in my office. Keeps the political busybodies at bay.
 
2012-07-03 12:25:54 PM  
I had a friend steal my copy of The Satanic Bible by LaVey.

Really couldn't fault the friend as he was just going with the themes present.
 
2012-07-03 12:26:04 PM  

Slu: All politicians are evil, so I still don't know who to vote for.


Both sides are equally bad, so vote Democrat? Uh huh.
 
2012-07-03 12:26:40 PM  
Miroslav Satan?

www.nhlsnipers.com
 
2012-07-03 12:26:41 PM  
does have a point...
 
2012-07-03 12:33:30 PM  
He does kinda have a point. If a bunch of white guys beat up a black guy for strolling through their neighborhood I'm pretty sure that could be considered a hate crime. What if a bunch of black guys beat up a cracker for strolling through their hood? Same thing right?
 
2012-07-03 12:33:32 PM  
Ah, so when a group of atheists (or fellow travelers) calmly tries to adhere to their religious beliefs without making a waves, someone comes along and farks with them anyway.

Might as well start lobbying to get "prayer" out of schools and "in god we trust" off of cash again, then.
 
2012-07-03 12:34:20 PM  
heh, a-waves.
 
2012-07-03 12:41:04 PM  
One would think both "hate" and "crime" are Satanic virtues.
 
2012-07-03 12:41:20 PM  

Lost_in_Oregon: In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, or gender identity.

Nope, didn't see moron in there.


Seems pretty clear, actually. I wonder if there's a SA brave/dumb enough to prosecute this as a bias crime. Especially when it turns out that a middle-aged god-fearin' church-goin' person/couple is responsible.

// alternatively, if it turns out a local teen was bored, fine him $20 and ground him for a month
 
2012-07-03 12:46:04 PM  
Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.
 
2012-07-03 12:48:42 PM  

BroVinny: One would think both "hate" and "crime" are Satanic virtues.


Not really.
 
2012-07-03 12:49:20 PM  

ph0rk: BroVinny: One would think both "hate" and "crime" are Satanic virtues.

Not really.


then what's with the snake and big ears?? and vengeful beard
 
2012-07-03 12:49:21 PM  

Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.


I hear you, but if motivation isn't important, why do we have different crimes for murder and manslaughter?
 
2012-07-03 12:50:51 PM  

Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.


AFAIK, hate crime laws are there as checks on differential sentencing.

If a couple of good old boys beat a lost black teenager to death for wandering the wrong street, hate crime laws make it that much harder for the local good old boy magistrate to let them off easy.


/Not saying I generally agree with the existence of such laws, just that I can understand where they came from.
//Better regulation of the judiciary would be a better solution, but might come off as even more top-down big governmenty.
 
2012-07-03 12:51:33 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: ph0rk: BroVinny: One would think both "hate" and "crime" are Satanic virtues.

Not really.

then what's with the snake and big ears?? and vengeful beard


They're goat-tastic.
 
2012-07-03 12:52:55 PM  
Got me to thinking. I know, scary right? What IF someone really did support Satan and wrongdoing - then wouldn't stealing the sign be a form of their support for their leader who signifies wrongdoing in the first place? How is that a hate crime? I call it supporting the cause.
 
2012-07-03 12:54:31 PM  

untaken_name: Well, why NOT vote Satan? This is America - we don't settle for the lesser ANYTHING, even when it comes to evil.


In that case, skip Satan and Vote Cthulhu

rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-07-03 12:54:47 PM  
I think it's more likely that someone LOVED that sign.
 
2012-07-03 12:56:39 PM  

Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.


Yeah that 14th amendment thing going on... "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"
 
2012-07-03 12:59:50 PM  
Reading the article, I think this guy probably set up his Halloween yard decorations years ago and was just too lazy to put them away. Just like my neighbors who still haven't taken their Christmas lights off the roof yet.
 
2012-07-03 01:03:28 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I think it's more likely that someone LOVED that sign.


Yeah, a local teen probably has it on their wall now. If it was holly rollers they wold have left some chick tracts or something.
 
2012-07-03 01:06:57 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: BarkingUnicorn: I think it's more likely that someone LOVED that sign.

Yeah, a local teen probably has it on their wall now. If it was holly rollers they wold have left some chick tracts or something.


I'd bet $5 bucks on this, and the teens in question are LOL about it.

And I'd consider a handful of Jack Chick books a good trade. In terms of unintentional humor, they really can't be beat.
 
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2012-07-03 01:12:08 PM  

Lost_in_Oregon: In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, or gender identity.

Nope, didn't see moron in there.


It's the secone one listed.
 
2012-07-03 01:27:27 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: tinfoil-hat maggie: BarkingUnicorn: I think it's more likely that someone LOVED that sign.

Yeah, a local teen probably has it on their wall now. If it was holly rollers they wold have left some chick tracts or something.

I'd bet $5 bucks on this, and the teens in question are LOL about it.

And I'd consider a handful of Jack Chick books a good trade. In terms of unintentional humor, they really can't be beat.


Heh, this is true :)
 
2012-07-03 02:36:28 PM  
i1111.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-03 02:42:44 PM  
He spelled Santa wrong.
 
2012-07-03 02:53:39 PM  

untaken_name: Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.

I hear you, but if motivation isn't important, why do we have different crimes for murder and manslaughter?


Because one of them isn't murder?
 
2012-07-03 03:22:50 PM  

Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.


Intent is a big part of the definition of a sin or crime in our western philosophy, theology and jurisprudence.

If a man chops off your hand because he hates you personally, he is a hater.

If a man chops off your hand because you are a thief and he is the official executioner, he is a dutiful public servant.

If a man chops off your hand because you molested him sexually, he is vengeful and committing a form of aggravated assault but might be tacitly forgiven by the community--or not.

If a man chops off your hand because it is cancerous and going to kill you, he is a doctor.

If he chops off your hand because you are a slave and have fallen down on the way to a slave auction where he is going to sell you, he is a man thief or a slave-owner but almost certainly not a legitimate businessman since slavery has no legal or moral status in most of the countries where it is practiced. It is merely permitted or customary.

If he chops off your hand because your skin is the wrong shade, he has committed a hate crime.

The difference between an executioner and a doctor is purely logical, but based largely on intent.

The difference between one crime and another is moot, but also based largely on intent. A hate crime is intentionally degrading not only to the individual who is humiliated or harmed by it, but also to the community of which that individual is a part, and the community of which all non-racist, non-bigoted, non-chauvinistic, and non-xenophobic people, etc., are a part. The aim of this kind of hatred is to degrade a whole class of people from "human" to "things".

And sin, as Granny Weatherwax the witch says in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, is treating people like things. Even if you mean well (for example are trying to save the souls or bodies or property of the people in question or society in general) you are a sinner when you treat any person as a thing, and possibly when you treat any thing (a corporation, perhaps) as a person. There are, of course, legal fictions which allow us to treat things as people and people as things, but they are often dubious, if not obviously wrong.

Thus, hate can be an aggravating circumstanc in any crime, but "hate crimes" are a particularly noxioux sub-set of crimes motivated by hatred. For example, when you kill your ex-wife, it is not necessarily a hate crime, although it is motivated by hatred, because it need not involve any other woman, or even any other ex-wife. You might actually like your other wives.

Similarly, there is assault, aggravated assault and now in some jurisdictions, hate crime, the highest (or lowest) grade of assault because it is aimed not only at degrading the individual but a community or communities. For example, when a Mormon punches you in the face for smoking he may be committing common assault and battery (if he is just annoyed by your refusal to stop smoking), or aggravated assault (if, say, he punches you in the face with a coffee mug in his hand) or a hate crime, if he punches you in the face because he regards smoking as a sin and you as a non-Mormon sinner who particularly needs your face punched for that reason. He may even be acting in self-defence or defence of another, say, severely asthmatic person. That's for the circumstances and the judge to determine.
 
2012-07-03 03:31:45 PM  
Crimes are often, as the gangster said in the Charlie Chaplin film, The Prisoner, about a killing he had committed or order, "just business." Some people commit crimes without remorse (they are sociopaths), others without personal animus (they are business-like but may well be sociopaths as well).

This is what we mean by "in cold blood". There is no passion involved, no hatred or fear or anger or even contempt.

The Business Plan
1. See money, take money.
2. If the holder of the purse objects, hurt them until they stop.

No hard feelings. The real businessman always does it for the money, not personal sentiments. They will happily serve the Devil or the low man on the totem pole if they pay. Personally they might think you are a n-word or something even worse, but money has no odor, as Vespasian put it when he levied a tax on urine collected for the tanning industry.

Cold-blooded crimes are another category beyond even hate crimes. They are properly a form of terrorism since the object of the criminal is not to harm an individual but merely to terrorize them and anybody else who might get any bright ideas about defending themselves or property.

We generally reserve the term "cold-blooded" for things like murder or grievous bodily harm--torture or terror or termination with extreme prejudice. But most petty crimes aren't personal. The pickpocket doesn't hate you. He's merely annoyed by your money being in your pocket rather than his.

Most crimes are not hate crimes. Most crimes are greed crimes or haste crimes.

Haste crimes include such things as running down small dogs, cats, children, little old ladies, etc., because you are late for work. You don't hate the victim, you don't even want to harm the victim, they're just too damn slow.
 
2012-07-03 04:38:20 PM  
Hail Satin

(favorite graffiti seen all over this land)
 
2012-07-03 06:31:35 PM  
If "they" would steal his sign, I shudder to think what they will do with the Darwin Fishes that they steal from cars!

I think that there is an Instructible to electrify (harmless shock) the Darwin fish on your vehicle.
And another Instructible to record the hilarity that will ensue.
 
2012-07-03 07:45:52 PM  

Slu: All politicians are evil, so I still don't know who to vote for.


if a politician is breathing and speaking they are lying.

/it's who they are
//it's what they do
 
2012-07-03 09:58:21 PM  

gopher321: untaken_name: Great Janitor: Shouldn't all crimes be a hate crime? Why must we select a few and say that it's worse in certain cases? If I shoot someone, it shouldn't make a difference in the punishment if he was gay, black, jew or all three. Just give me the punishment for shooting someone.

I hear you, but if motivation isn't important, why do we have different crimes for murder and manslaughter?

Because one of them isn't murder?


Someone's dead either way. The difference between murder and manslaughter is intention. The difference between a normal crime and a hate crime is also intention. Are you being willfully obtuse or does it just come naturally?
 
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