Strategeryz0r: cowsspinach: Strategeryz0r: cowsspinach: URAPNIS: Strategeryz0r: URAPNIS: cowsspinach: Meh. I only ask of one thing. No vulgar jokes when I'm around or in front of my friends. If he can't do that then he's out. So far...So great.

I find that hard to believe.
One requirement? LOL

And no vulgar jokes? That's a horrible requirement.

Granted, but still!

I've been told I'm a difficult person to date(which I admit I am at times) but I'm not going to date a loud mouth guy who's yelling vulgar jokes.

Well yelling yes, that's in poor taste. But the simple re-telling of a most excellent, yet extraordinarily dirty, joke can spice up an otherwise boring evening of.. I don't know. I picture you being the wine tasting type?

I mean what about a nice, well mannered, man who enjoys vulgar jokes and tells them at an acceptable volume?

That's perfectly fine. I'll drink a beer if there's nothing else available but I usually stick to a mojito or one of those biatch drinks.

So as long as your man pumps you full of mojitos he can tell all the dirty jokes he wants. So long as he isn't attracted the entire bar's attention while doing so yes?

This appears, on the surface, to be reasonable. Lets send in our hidden camera crew to see how it plays out in reality!

What can I say? I'm uptight and a drink calms me down. Ha Ha!

Silenced is foo: More to the point, Mama Mia is just plain farking *awful*. The story is incoherent, the acting is bad, and even if you love the music of Abba, nobody wants to hear Pierce Brosnan utterly fail to perform it. Beyond "chick flick" is just a shiat movie.

Mamma Mia (2008) - A young woman's journey as she discovers that her mother used to enjoy unprotected casual sex with multiple partners.

cowsspinach: What can I say? I'm uptight and a drink calms me down. Ha Ha!

Wasn't that why man introduced woman to alcohol in the first place?

Aside from creating an air tight rape alibi? "We were both drunk!I thought she wanted it too!!"

fortheloveofgod: The Singing Bush: I think it's hilarious that she doesn't follow number 9. My wife is terrible about this -

Me: Where do you want to go to dinner?
Her: I don't know, I'm not sure what I want
Me: How about here, or here, or here, or here, or here?
Her: No, none of those sound good.
Me: Well what do you want?
Her: Why can't YOU make a decision?
Me - head asplode

I go through that exact routine every time we go out to dinner. It's beyond frustrating.

Try this: instead of saying "how about this, this or this?" say "do you want to go here, or there?" Then - STFU. Ball is in her court now. Say nothing 'til she picks. She may pick a third option, but she's picked one. Bonus: you get to look all alpha for forcing a resolution without demanding she simply do as she's told. It will work, if you do it with some backbone but without being a jerk.

Strategeryz0r: special breed of crazy

I feel terrible for your situation. It's not supposed to be like that.

fortheloveofgod: Phinn: Look, people -- when a woman tells you she wants you to make a decision about where to eat dinner, then criticizes your decision, YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DINNER.

You are PRETENDING to talk about dinner.

However, you are ACTUALLY talking about whether you are a suitable mate for her. This is a TEST of your manhood.

If this is true, why does it continue 30 years into marriage?

It's the way women are. This behavior pattern is baked right into her brain. Her brain does not care that she's past child-bearing age. Her brain still assumes it's 20,000 B.C., so she craves a mate who'll give her healthy children, fell a mastodon for everyone to eat, and fight off the neighboring tribe, all at the same time.

Why do we crave high-fat food and tend to over eat, even though we no longer live in the wild and have no real reason to fear starvation? It's in our genes.

wambu: The women who read the book tell me "It doesn't matter, men are just wrong."

So.....

If a man states his opinion in a forest and a woman isn't around to hear it, is he still wrong?

urbangirl: Yanks_RSJ: urbangirl: Maybe because we need to verbalizing about a problem in order to get it out of our system and not because we're looking for a "fix".

Not being a smart ass, honestly trying to offer a female viewpoint.

Male viewpoint: verbalize it to someone else. We're not your sounding board. When you're ready to actually deal with the problem, come find us.

Wow. Because everyone who isn't exactly like you is wrong.
How's that working for ya?

A person who listens to your problems and offers no solution is called a therapist.

Men LIKE solving problems, it's what we've been taught to do our entire lives. We are taught that it is EXPECTED of us.

I don't go complain to my mechanic that the check engine light is on and then yell at him when he pulls the code and tells me to replace the O2 censor.

Sorry about the caps. It's easier on a phone than typing out html.

Summer Glau's Love Slave: As a younger Farker (I'm 20 next month) I would like to say that some of y'all are scary as hayell.

/Maybe I'll just pass on this relationship stuff.
//So I can retain at least a small portion of my sanity.

It's awesome once you get it right. I promise.

/completely worth it
//even that year I was in depressive angst every day because I farked it up

Death_Poot: WhippingBoy: Savage Bacon: Woah! Gotta love the use of the ol' CAPS LOCK to get a point across. Really helps your argument, lady. I can feel your exasperation through your written word... Such angst!

One of the first thing I learned about relationships and the difference between men and women had to do with sympathizing vs. problem-solving. As a man, if I start talking to my male friends about an issue I'm having, it's pretty much advice solicitation on my part. If my gf comes to me with an issue, it's usually just to vent, so I let her vent. If she actually needs any advice, I wait for her to ask for it, because apparently giving advice really gets in the way of a good venting session.

Yep. Took me 10 years to learn this. Confused the hell out of me. My wife would come to me, complaining about some relatively minor thing. I'd present her with a logical, clear-cut solution that would be guaranteed to solve her problem, and she would just get angry at me.

The thing I hate though, when a guy vents about something just for the sake of stress relief, he has "anger issues" or is "being too negative".

Better yet, I get alternatively accused of "not showing any emotion", and "being too sensitive".

ProTip: It can't be both.

Yanks_RSJ: susansto-helit: What you're saying here (as far as I can tell) is that you have little interest in providing emotional support to your partner or spouse. She comes in, looking for a bit of sympathy while she tries to work through her emotions from the day (theoretically so they won't continue to bother her), and you tell her to take it somewhere else. This begins to create emotional distance between you, as she now feels that she can no longer tell you when she's upset about something unless it's something that takes no more time to emotionally work out than it would take to change the oil in a car.

I'm perfectly capable of providing emotional support on issues that are actually important. These would be things like family situations, health matters or something similar. Hearing a complete play-by-play of the daily work drama that is pretty much completely meaningless and/or easily fixed is not emotional support, it's a waste of time because (in my opinion) none of things are worth any emotion whatsoever. If you need a hug because you're sad or upset, I'll hold you all night long, but I don't need the back story to do it. Do I really have to sit there and nod my head and say "that sucks" like a mindless automaton to prove I'm supportive?

And my problem with urbangirl's response is that she acknowledges that men and women see things differently, but seems to suggest that only men have to actually adapt to those differences. Why is "I need to tell you everything about my day" more important than my desire not to hear about things that aren't important?

And to answer the follow-up question, just because SHE thinks something is important doesn't make it so.

In your opinion it's a waste of time. Clearly it's not to her or you wouldn't be hearing about it.

You have to listen to people discuss things you think aren't important all the time. You have to listen to your boss blathering endlessly about his weekend, or you have to have to patiently listen to someone telling you their problems while waiting in line at the bank or any other location where it would be socially impolite to tell these people to fark off. You have to listen to your grandmother tell that story about the Great Depression for the 40th time at Thanksgiving. But the person you've chosen to spend your life with doesn't get that courtesy.

I work as a secretary. A large part of my job is doing just that - listening to people's problems. I'm the first person who is yelled at and I'm the first person who must offer sympathy for a bad situation, even if there's nothing to be done about it. I'm the first person to listen to anyone's back story, even if there's nothing I can do for them and all I can do is transfer them to the person who can help. It's what I do. And it's not hard. It's sometimes boring and sometimes annoying, but I consider it to be part of being human, a social species that relies on other people to be a sounding board or to be a sympathetic ear when it's required. I'd certainly not think twice about doing it for my spouse, the person that I've chosen to love and support.

I can think of many things that people should be willing to compromise on. You shouldn't *have* to deal with problems that aren't important. But that sounds like a relatively minor thing to compromise on. She should be willing to compromise back, of course, but you're asking her to hold what could be very damaging emotions inside because you've deemed them not important enough to bother you with. Even little things can accumulate over time, after all. Even what you've deemed unimportant.

Agent Smiths Laugh: This entire thread is evidence for my assertion that catering to the female mindset just isn't worth all the complications.

I have never entered into a relationship with a woman thinking, "Gee, what I want out of life is to be tested and measured for the rest of my life."

Once you understand that's what's women are actually doing and saying, it becomes a lot less frustrating and confusing.

Then, it starts to become easier to not only pass the tests, but to reduce their frequency. (Although, they can never be eliminated entirely.)

If you do pass them regularly, then you'll find that the good parts of the relationship will flow a lot more freely, like the part where they smell good, and make an effort to please you, and throw their vaginas at you.

Funny. My guy and I have most of these reversed, except for the crying. I still do that if I'm mad enough.

He's the one who won't pick the goddamn restaurant!

Strategeryz0r: URAPNIS: cowsspinach: Meh. I only ask of one thing. No vulgar jokes when I'm around or in front of my friends. If he can't do that then he's out. So far...So great.

I find that hard to believe.
One requirement? LOL

And no vulgar jokes? That's a horrible requirement.

Recently went out with a girl who didn't like my potty mouth. I can understand maintaining clean talk when i'm in public, or meeting her friends (aka the Jury, to see if i pass the test or not).

but she didn't like curse words anywhere, anytime, for any reason.

Not even during sexy time, but that's probably because she liked it missionary with god and jesus watching (like the foundering fathers intended). I mean i don't need to be swearing like a sailor while getting busy, but i don't want to have to be constantly watching what i say when i know one slip up would piss her off and the fun would be over.

//bad date, great lay

mcwehrle: Strategeryz0r: special breed of crazy

I feel terrible for your situation. It's not supposed to be like that.

I love my wife to death, and that's why I'm soliciting you guys(some more experienced married folks, and in general some people who are just more adept at this stuff than I) for advice.

But I have had to face reality. If some of these things can't be addressed and/or fixed. I don't think we're going to last much longer. We've already been down the split up road before. I spent 2 weeks couch surfing my buddies houses going back and forth with her on filing divorce paperwork. So god only knows how much time we have left.

As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend. I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with. I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work). I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change.

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

Women can't think of the now because they have eggs. They don't last for ever. It must be rough on really hot women who to pick to fertilize their eggs.

ignatius_crumbcake: Make her pick. Say that you picked last time and it's her turn. Refuse to leave the house until she makes a decision. Miss a meal if you have to.

Worst. Advice. Ever.

You might as well padlock her panties and throw away the key, because if you act like this, she won't be letting you in them again any time soon.

Phinn: ignatius_crumbcake: Make her pick. Say that you picked last time and it's her turn. Refuse to leave the house until she makes a decision. Miss a meal if you have to.

Worst. Advice. Ever.

You might as well padlock her panties and throw away the key, because if you act like this, she won't be letting you in them again any time soon.

Been there, done that.

What you say has been personally confirmed by me. That was a rough 2 weeks.

Phinn: Agent Sm

Perhaps, but I find it far more efficient just to leave myself to my own devices and keep the additional complexity at arms length...as much as I can. There are womenfolk in the family after all. And the drama that comes with them.

My biggest complaint about women is when I don't have BIE even though I took the time to put my EIP.

/disgruntled

And I get so sick and tired when my girlfriend brings some hot drunk blonde chick home... we all go in the bedroom, and while I'm doing the blonde from behind while she's going down on my gf, my gf always gives me this dirty look like "you never grunt that loud when you're pounding me!" biatch...

Buck Henderson: imfallen_angel: Overall, all these questions and all answers end up being application to both men and women.....

[snip]

So overall, all these are about maturity....

That's a big yeparooni there good buddy. Honesty, and the maturity to mutually recognize when it is happening, goes a long way to making all of these "issues" not even crop up in the first place. And if they do, it's not going to work anyway.

I found it so messed up during my dating years, to have so many women talk to me about so much (and all being the stereotypical wants for a man) that they wanted, and aside the fact that I had kids (and eventually full custody), I was "perfect" according to them, but somehow, they kept looking for something wrong, excuses to prevent any forward movement for (or within) a relationship.

Then I met my wife. We talked for one day about each other, how we saw the world, etc. and we came to the conclusion that we'd be great together and we'd face whatever may come and such.. we just had our 10th year wedding anniversary a few weeks ago.

MrBallou: That used to be my position on the subject, but then I went to take a dump, drunk, in the dark one night, and almost fell in. Let me tell you, it's a scarey sensation when your ass keeps going when you expected it to stop.

Now I understand why my wife and daughter complain about it so much.

//Besides, if women were careful about where they put their asses, you would never stand a chance of scoring.

Personally, I'll never understand the not closing the cover thing... I've got a ubber fear of dropping something in the bathroom and physics be damned, it'll somehow find a way to fall in the open toilet. I've made sure that the wife and kids share this fear, and the cover remains down at all times until usage.

Lifting and lowering the damn seat/cover isn't that hard, and a lot better than having to pick something out of the water.

Oh. It's THIS THREAD ... about THIS THREAD ... again.

susansto-helit: It's not deliberate, though. That's the thing. Crying is an involuntary response in some people. It's not designed to control the situation or to try to win an argument. It just is. Why are you guys incapable of just ignoring it and continuing with the conversation?

Because a conversation with someone who is currently ruled by their emotions isn't productive. If you are thinking emotionally instead of logically, you are not presently equipped to listen to and process the other person's point of view.

This is not gender-specific, either. It applies equally to both sexes. If one of both of you are too emotional, take a break to cool down, and resume the conversation after you have composed yourself.

Oldiron_79: Nogale: R.A.Danny: ignatius_crumbcake: R.A.Danny: Strategeryz0r: Yet another absurd female double standard. Seriously if it weren't for vagina's we'd all be gay.

You forgot tits.

This is why being gay simply cannot be a choice. If being gay were a choice, there would be no straight men.

I actually know a few gay guys that love tits. They're almost universally adored.

Most gay guys I know appreciate women's bodies. They just don't want to have sex with them.

I could see that. I mean most strait guys appreciate a well built guys body even though they don't want to have sex with it. If they didn't sports would not be very popular.

maybe im in the minority here... but, i dont watch sports because of how the players look. when im watching a play take shape, im not looking at them, im looking at how the guards are pulling, where the olb is lining up, is the safety creeping up, did the qb look off the corners, does the 1 keep ignoring the fact that the 3 is wide open beyond the arc, is there a mismatch between the 4 covering the 5 in the low post, was that pick & roll legal, is the 2 ignoring a clear shot and if so why....

the last thing i care about is what they look like while any of that is going on.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Jesus, these threads are a GOLDMINE for my ignore list.

Write something inflammatory. DO IT.

tissue swelling in response to harmful stimuli

susansto-helit: In your opinion it's a waste of time. Clearly it's not to her or you wouldn't be hearing about it.

So, basically women as a gender get to decide what we need to care about.

susansto-helit: You have to listen to your boss blathering endlessly about his weekend, or you have to have to patiently listen to someone telling you their problems while waiting in line at the bank or any other location where it would be socially impolite to tell these people to fark off.

No, I live in NYC, where people don't talk to each other because it's moronic to expect a perfect stranger to listen to any of your bullshiat. And I don't know about your boss, but mine isn't interested in small talk like that. Usually the response to "how was your weekend?" is "fine, yours?" and that's the end of it.

susansto-helit: You have to listen to your grandmother tell that story about the Great Depression for the 40th time at Thanksgiving. But the person you've chosen to spend your life with doesn't get that courtesy.

I saw my grandmother a few times per year, not every single day.

susansto-helit: I work as a secretary. A large part of my job is doing just that - listening to people's problems. I'm the first person who is yelled at and I'm the first person who must offer sympathy for a bad situation, even if there's nothing to be done about it. I'm the first person to listen to anyone's back story, even if there's nothing I can do for them and all I can do is transfer them to the person who can help. It's what I do. And it's not hard. It's sometimes boring and sometimes annoying, but I consider it to be part of being human, a social species that relies on other people to be a sounding board or to be a sympathetic ear when it's required. I'd certainly not think twice about doing it for my spouse, the person that I've chosen to love and support.

Everyone's job sucks. The only feedback I ever get in mine is negative, despite being quite good at what I do. That's the nature of jobs, they suck. The difference is that once I leave mine for the day, I stop worrying about things I have no control over until the following morning. Going on and on about every last thing bothering me is a pointless endeavor. The last thing I want to do at the end of my own shiatty day is hear about someone else's.

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Slayinit: [www.worldcompass.org image 300x321]

Someone, somewhere, would consider pleasuring this creature. Which one of you farkers is man enough?

Abso-goddamn-lutely. I'd perform oral ministrations on her secret magic flower until she howled like a dog with a fleet of firetrucks driving by. All of her man-hate would dissolve in a chain of foaming, gushing orgasms until she begged me to take her like a marauding pirate. Only then would she present herself en la mode des chiens whereupon I would mount her and plunge my beefy thumb into her quivering anus, stroking her broad backside with my free hand, and plumbing her womanly depths with my manhood.

Thus, her perspectives would be forever changed for the better.

I'm not saying that was worthy of spentmiles, but it's in the discussion.

Lando Lincoln: Phinn: Try making plans to go somewhere without consulting her. Does the captain of a Navy ship ask his lieutenant where to point the ship? No, he makes decisions, for the benefit of everyone, and expects them to be followed. He may ask for input, but in doing so always communicates that the choice is his.

Military metaphors always work great when talking about interacting with women.

So says the man who would rather than be right than happy.

You don't have to rub the woman's nose in it. A leader who is confident and secure in his authority doesn't need to constantly remind his subordinates he's in charge. He doesn't talk about being in charge, because he doesn't need to; he just lives it. In fact, talking about it is a sign that your authority is weak or threatened. You may think you're asserting your authority when you discuss it, but you are actually showing that you don't have it.

So, you don't tell a women you're in charge, and you certainly don't tell her you're the captain and she's the first mate. You just act like it. But keep it all inside.

Strategeryz0r: mcwehrle: Strategeryz0r: special breed of crazy

I feel terrible for your situation. It's not supposed to be like that.

I love my wife to death, and that's why I'm soliciting you guys(some more experienced married folks, and in general some people who are just more adept at this stuff than I) for advice.

But I have had to face reality. If some of these things can't be addressed and/or fixed. I don't think we're going to last much longer. We've already been down the split up road before. I spent 2 weeks couch surfing my buddies houses going back and forth with her on filing divorce paperwork. So god only knows how much time we have left.

As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend. I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with. I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work). I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change.

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

Identify what's truly important to you, and don't compromise on those things.
Let her "win" everything else.

Strategeryz0r:
I love my wife to death, .... IF some of these things can't be addressed and/or fixed. I don't think we're going to last much longer. We've already been down the split up road before. .......


As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend.
I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with.
I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work).

]She is not your best friend


I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

It's ok to admit it, and know it. But, and I really don't like to point this out, but YOU are the one who picked these women.

KrispyKritter: susansto-helit: I have to admit that #4 really pisses me off. I cannot control when I start crying, so don't accuse me of using it as a weapon when I do.

because you're not like every other woman who will leap grand obstacles to make her man show emotion then rip your man apart in front of MIL and friends because he shared. few men ever displayed emotion in front of a woman without fully regretting having done so. because deep down inside you are all cold vicious biatches that are never happy. seeing where america stands today we can understand why you had such limited privileges in the past. too bad that changed.

/popcorn
//body armor, THEN popcorn
///move into bunker, body armor, THEN popcorn

Strategeryz0r: As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend. I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with. I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work). I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change.

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

All I can say after reading this is that something is really messed up somewhere and if you and her are serious about the relationship and don't really want to divorce, then you need to figure out what the problem is... is one of you resenting the other over something? It sounds like something is underneath all the problems... childhood abuse?... Lots and lots of possibility.

Time for therapy (single or couple) and find out with the heck it is.

The worse thing for a couple is to not be on the same page about things, including the actual relationship.

If she's going out of her way to cause issues (even at work)....

As one of you cheated on the other?
Is one not going anywhere in their lives (no job, or a job they hate)?

Could be a lot of things.

But you need to know if she's (and you) are dedicated to this marriage and want to face what the issue is.

Strategeryz0r: mcwehrle: Strategeryz0r: special breed of crazy

I feel terrible for your situation. It's not supposed to be like that.

I love my wife to death, and that's why I'm soliciting you guys(some more experienced married folks, and in general some people who are just more adept at this stuff than I) for advice.

But I have had to face reality. If some of these things can't be addressed and/or fixed. I don't think we're going to last much longer. We've already been down the split up road before. I spent 2 weeks couch surfing my buddies houses going back and forth with her on filing divorce paperwork. So god only knows how much time we have left.

As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend. I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with. I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work). I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change.

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

Nothing can make it so your wife is a different person. If you can't handle who she is you have a problem. If dealing with ridiculous arguments about where to go to dinner is worth it, suck it up and stop pretending it can change. You married the whole package.

I have been married 2 years so it's not like I'm some sage, just my opinion.

/note that I am not excusing women from working to make the relationship work too

mcwehrle: Strategeryz0r:
I love my wife to death, .... IF some of these things can't be addressed and/or fixed. I don't think we're going to last much longer. We've already been down the split up road before. .......


As strange as it sounds, she is my best friend.
I'm more open with her more easily than anyone I've ever been with.
I love spending time with her. But there are things that we fight about on a near constant basis that make it so difficult for me to want to stay. It grates at me, it affects my life personally and professionally(she loves to stir shiat up while I'm at work).

]She is not your best friend


I don't want things to continue being like this, but I can't seem to get her to realize she has to help me or this wont change. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE

I also hate to admit that my experience with the women I've dated, and especially my wife, has tainted my thoughts on women in general. When you deal with shiat like this with every woman you date, it's hard to maintain a clean perception of their entire gender.

It's ok to admit it, and know it. But, and I really don't like to point this out, but YOU are the one who picked these women.

Why do you blame the victim?

WhippingBoy: Let her "win" everything else.

This...I don't understand why you people argue with your wives about some of this crap. Takes two to tango.

Yanks_RSJ:

Yanks_RSJ: So, basically women as a gender get to decide what we need to care about.

It's hardly "women as a gender" when men (see: my father) display this behavior as well. It's not a man vs. woman thing. And "women as a gender" no more get to decide the rules than "men as a gender" do. It's called compromise, as I've indicated.

Yanks_RSJ: No, I live in NYC, where people don't talk to each other because it's moronic to expect a perfect stranger to listen to any of your bullshiat. And I don't know about your boss, but mine isn't interested in small talk like that. Usually the response to "how was your weekend?" is "fine, yours?" and that's the end of it.

Really? I've spent plenty of time in NYC. I've heard more life stories while on the subway than I care to recall. People like to tell their stories. Taxicab Confessions made a fortune by getting people to do just that.

It's nice that your boss doesn't bother you with stories about his weekend. Hopefully you'll always have bosses like that. But you might not. But that doesn't make my point any less relevant. Sometimes you have to put up with people ranting when you don't want to. If you don't, I'd say you live quite a charmed life and it shouldn't be all that difficult to be generous with your time when it comes to your spouse.

Yanks_RSJ: I saw my grandmother a few times per year, not every single day.

Plenty of time to hear that Great Depression story dozens of times over, then. I don't know what it is about people as they get older, but they tend to tell the same four of five stories.

Yanks_RSJ: Everyone's job sucks. The only feedback I ever get in mine is negative, despite being quite good at what I do. That's the nature of jobs, they suck. The difference is that once I leave mine for the day, I stop worrying about things I have no control over until the following morning. Going on and on about every last thing bothering me is a pointless endeavor. The last thing I want to do at the end of my own shiatty day is hear about someone else's.

I'm sorry that your job sucks. I enjoy mine, though my feedback is largely negative as well. I work with fantastic people, though. I also tend to put my thoughts of the day aside and go home and don't think about them unless I'm working under a deadline.

If your spouse cares about you, then I'm sure she wouldn't mind listening to you if you did have a particularly shiatty day.

towatchoverme: Oh. It's THIS THREAD ... about THIS THREAD ... again.

You don't like it, leave.

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AngryJailhouseFistfark: Slayinit: [www.worldcompass.org image 300x321]

Someone, somewhere, would consider pleasuring this creature. Which one of you farkers is man enough?

Abso-goddamn-lutely. I'd perform oral ministrations on her secret magic flower until she howled like a dog with a fleet of firetrucks driving by. All of her man-hate would dissolve in a chain of foaming, gushing orgasms until she begged me to take her like a marauding pirate. Only then would she present herself en la mode des chiens whereupon I would mount her and plunge my beefy thumb into her quivering anus, stroking her broad backside with my free hand, and plumbing her womanly depths with my manhood.

Thus, her perspectives would be forever changed for the better.



Bravo.

Phinn: Agent Smiths Laugh: This entire thread is evidence for my assertion that catering to the female mindset just isn't worth all the complications.

I have never entered into a relationship with a woman thinking, "Gee, what I want out of life is to be tested and measured for the rest of my life."

Once you understand that's what's women are actually doing and saying, it becomes a lot less frustrating and confusing.

Then, it starts to become easier to not only pass the tests, but to reduce their frequency. (Although, they can never be eliminated entirely.)

If you do pass them regularly, then you'll find that the good parts of the relationship will flow a lot more freely, like the part where they smell good, and make an effort to please you, and throw their vaginas at you.

No.

Do not play the game.

We can hang out and have fun and do fun things, or you can sit at home learning more about relationships from the Kardashians and I'll do my own fun things without you.

If a relationship is bullshiat instead of fun, I'm out. Life's too short, and there are a zillion women out there.