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(The New York Times)   Four years ago they voted for him in droves. He was hip, he was cool, he was AWESOME and more importantly he was going to give them everything they wanted. Now they are in the real world and wondering WTF happened   (nytimes.com) divider line 277
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2012-07-03 10:45:11 AM
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There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.
 
2012-07-03 10:47:41 AM
I'm 24 and I know what happened. The GOP went full derp. They could have buried Reaganism and imbraced Goldwater style conservatism...but, no, they had to circle the wagons and go full derp.

Does Obama share some of the blame? Yes.

Is he better than the alternative? Yes
 
2012-07-03 10:50:17 AM
So they all voted for Romney.....


Er wait, that wouldn't happen!
 
2012-07-03 10:52:29 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.


They won't.

The Feds cancelled the Subsidized loan program for graduate students as of Monday.

All week, I have had graduate students in my office, like confused little puppies. Apparently, the emails I've sent them all year, the news, the official letters etc, didn't get through, but not getting the refund did.

My standard reply is to contact their Congressperson. None of them have a CLUE who that is.

You know why student loans interest rates are doubling and education financing is always on the table?

because these chuckleheads don't vote.
 
2012-07-03 10:55:19 AM
Dear youngins, every four years a couple of candidates come out and promise candies and lollipops for everyone. Some will try and sell you on rainbows and unicorn farts that smell like cotton candy. They all over promise and under deliver. EVERY FOUR YEARS!

/you'll get over it too
//and be just as disillusioned
 
2012-07-03 10:59:31 AM
It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.
 
2012-07-03 11:01:40 AM

basemetal: Dear youngins, every four years a couple of candidates come out and promise candies and lollipops for everyone. Some will try and sell you on rainbows and unicorn farts that smell like cotton candy. They all over promise and under deliver. EVERY FOUR YEARS!

/you'll get over it too
//and be just as disillusioned


Oh yeah, you should still vote though, it's all you got.
 
2012-07-03 11:03:19 AM

Aar1012: I'm 24 and I know what happened. The GOP went full derp. They could have buried Reaganism and imbraced Goldwater style conservatism...but, no, they had to circle the wagons and go full derp.

Does Obama share some of the blame? Yes.

Is he better than the alternative? Yes


This, actually. I'm even 24, so there we go.
 
2012-07-03 11:08:15 AM
Disillusioned by Hopey McChange?

Unleash the unicorns!
 
2012-07-03 11:10:11 AM

bdub77: Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.


Well, I don't know...I hear dressage is really popular with the kids these days.
 
2012-07-03 11:11:29 AM

bdub77: ...Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.


Or just not vote.
 
2012-07-03 11:12:41 AM

bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.


Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.
 
2012-07-03 11:14:50 AM
This guy is the world's worst socialist.
 
2012-07-03 11:21:57 AM

brigid_fitch: bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.

Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.


True story. I was in college when Obama was elected, and I was mad. Like, seriously mad.
Then I got out of college into the real world, and now if Obama doesn't get elected again I will be seriously mad. College is just another bubble, albeit with a bit more alcohol than the high school bubble. Once the kids get out of this bubble and out from under their parent's dime they realize how much the Republican party really wants to screw them over.
 
2012-07-03 11:23:18 AM

I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.


Yes but he's the best muslim.
 
2012-07-03 11:28:49 AM

make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.


He drinks beer.
 
2012-07-03 11:33:21 AM
Man, someone is working very hard to push this narrative.
 
2012-07-03 11:39:22 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.


If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.
 
2012-07-03 11:39:38 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.


That's not the only thing Romney has said about education. I like his advice about "borrowing from your parents" for you educational needs.
 
2012-07-03 11:41:51 AM

Lando Lincoln: make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.

He drinks beer.


That's what the media wants you to think!
 
2012-07-03 11:45:26 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.


That doesn't apply to just four-year universities. Obama has talked about how important it is that students have the financial opportunity to attend vocational schools, apprenticeships, and on-the-job training programs. He did so in the last State of the Union address and in his current campaign speeches.
 
2012-07-03 11:45:36 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.


This is absolutely accurate. The solution is to make BEING in college harder, not PAYING for college.
 
2012-07-03 11:50:26 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dusk-You-n-Me: There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.

If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.


indeed, in this increasingly knowledge worker-based economy, we shouldn't elevate the standard for educational attainment. instead, we should just biatch about how there aren't anymore manufacturing jobs left in america.
 
2012-07-03 11:51:01 AM

what_now: The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.

This is absolutely accurate. The solution is to make BEING in college harder, not PAYING for college.


That's true. Paying for college is a hell of a lot harder than actually graduating from college. It should be the other way around.
 
2012-07-03 11:51:44 AM

Lando Lincoln: make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.

He drinks beer.


Can you be a lapsed socialist Muslim? Or is that just for Catholics?
 
2012-07-03 11:53:32 AM

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.

That's not the only thing Romney has said about education. I like his advice about "borrowing from your parents" for you educational needs.


Did he go on about how he felt the pain of poor students by telling the story of how he didn't have enough for a four pack of Perrie water and thus he asked his limo driver for the money until he got back home and can get his wallet?
 
2012-07-03 11:53:35 AM
Maria Verdugo, a 20-year-old graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, barely remembers the presidential election of 2008 - the one that spawned a youth movement that was singular in its scope and political effectiveness - except for "something about Obama saying we needed a change."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

Chad Tevlin, 19, a student trying to pay for college by cleaning portable toilets in South Bend, Ind., cannot recall if he registered to vote at all. "Pointless" is how he describes politics.

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

And Kristen Klenke, a music student in central Michigan, has decided to skip this election altogether. "I know it sounds horrible," said Ms. Klenke, 20. "But there's a lot of discouragement going around."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

I'm guessing the narrative then is "Obama sucks and kids don't like him"? But the majority of the "evidence" provided by this toilet paper of an article seems to be more related to "they have no idea what Romney actually represents and therefore think he's great". This is not going to turn out well for Romney if the youth actually pay attention for five minutes, because right now they appear to be saying "I don't like the economy and Obama is in charge, so who's running against him again? Romney? Who? Well I don't know him from a hole in the ground but I do know I am mildly disappointed with Obama right now."
 
2012-07-03 11:54:59 AM

I_C_Weener: Lando Lincoln: make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.

He drinks beer.

Can you be a lapsed socialist Muslim? Or is that just for Catholics?


i think the theory is that he's just deep undercover until after the re-election, at which point he'll steer america directly into the hellfires of socialist muslimity
 
2012-07-03 11:57:27 AM

what_now: Dusk-You-n-Me: There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.

They won't.

The Feds cancelled the Subsidized loan program for graduate students as of Monday.

All week, I have had graduate students in my office, like confused little puppies. Apparently, the emails I've sent them all year, the news, the official letters etc, didn't get through, but not getting the refund did.

My standard reply is to contact their Congressperson. None of them have a CLUE who that is.

You know why student loans interest rates are doubling and education financing is always on the table?

because these chuckleheads don't vote.


because the democrats put a sunset into their law. Then the reps took over and had to fix the dems mess. Now, it is the fault of the reps that Junior can't afford the interest on his student loan for studying puppetry.
 
2012-07-03 11:59:56 AM
Anyone else think it was kind of odd that in an article about young voters being disillusioned since the last presidential election, the first three examples that were given were 16, 15, & 16 years old in 2008? It couldn't have been that hard to find three examples of people old enough to actually vote in the last election & now been out in the working world for a year or two.
 
2012-07-03 12:02:45 PM

what_now: This is absolutely accurate. The solution is to make BEING in college harder, not PAYING for college.


Exactly. But good luck with that.
 
2012-07-03 12:02:46 PM

EnviroDude: because the democrats put a sunset into their law. Then the reps took over and had to fix the dems mess. Now, it is the fault of the reps that Junior can't afford the interest on his student loan for studying puppetry.


FAIL.

You're talking about the increase on the undergraduate interest rate, not the cancelling of the subsidized loan. That was done in August after the teabaggers in Congress paid chicken with the debt ceiling.

Try to keep up.
 
2012-07-03 12:07:49 PM
I think I can field this one.

Problem is is that he was portrayed in the media as gods gift to mankind. He was hyped up as the best thing since sliced bread. The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus. Now, these people see that Obama is just another smooth talking politician, and they feel only beholden to him for a vote to ensure that the GOP does not get the presidency.

When you build a man up like this they do not always live up to the hype.
 
2012-07-03 12:09:02 PM
As bad as this is, it's still miles better than any future we'd have under Mitt "Bain Capital" Rmoney.
 
2012-07-03 12:10:22 PM

thomps: I_C_Weener: Lando Lincoln: make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.

He drinks beer.

Can you be a lapsed socialist Muslim? Or is that just for Catholics?

i think the theory is that he's just deep undercover until after the re-election, at which point he'll steer america directly into the hellfires of socialist muslimity


A real Muslim would never hide his Muslimity. He's even disingenuous about his Muslimity!!! WTF is this guy's problem?
 
2012-07-03 12:14:07 PM

I_C_Weener: thomps: I_C_Weener: Lando Lincoln: make me some tea: I_C_Weener: This guy is the world's worst socialist.

Yes but he's the best muslim.

He drinks beer.

Can you be a lapsed socialist Muslim? Or is that just for Catholics?

i think the theory is that he's just deep undercover until after the re-election, at which point he'll steer america directly into the hellfires of socialist muslimity

A real Muslim would never hide his Muslimity. He's even disingenuous about his Muslimity!!! WTF is this guy's problem?


I want someone who will show his true colors while in office.

This man is Mitt Romney.
 
2012-07-03 12:30:19 PM

cman: I think I can field this one.

Problem is is that he was portrayed in the media as gods gift to mankind. He was hyped up as the best thing since sliced bread. The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus. Now, these people see that Obama is just another smooth talking politician, and they feel only beholden to him for a vote to ensure that the GOP does not get the presidency.

When you build a man up like this they do not always live up to the hype.


Or, people voted for him based on what they thought he would do with some being slightly disappointed that he didn't accomplish more because of GOP obstructionism.
 
2012-07-03 12:33:31 PM

cman: The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus.


That phenomenon is largely a myth. There were very few people that revered him like people revere Reagan today. The vast majority of us saw him as a good man that had a lot of good policy positions.

People on the RIGHT, of course, insisted that we were holding him up as a messianic figure, because that's exactly what THEY would be doing if Obama had an R next to his name instead of a D.
 
2012-07-03 12:39:09 PM

Lando Lincoln: cman: The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus.

That phenomenon is largely a myth. There were very few people that revered him like people revere Reagan today. The vast majority of us saw him as a good man that had a lot of good policy positions.

People on the RIGHT, of course, insisted that we were holding him up as a messianic figure, because that's exactly what THEY would be doing if Obama had an R next to his name instead of a D.


i3.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-03 12:45:07 PM
I have an old solution for the ongoing problem of privilaged kids going to college on their parents' dime over those who take out loans, work part/full time jobs, and/or get financial aid.

i1.cpcache.com
 
2012-07-03 12:55:14 PM

Elandriel: Maria Verdugo, a 20-year-old graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, barely remembers the presidential election of 2008 - the one that spawned a youth movement that was singular in its scope and political effectiveness - except for "something about Obama saying we needed a change."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.


She was too young. You need to be 18.

Elandriel: Chad Tevlin, 19, a student trying to pay for college by cleaning portable toilets in South Bend, Ind., cannot recall if he registered to vote at all. "Pointless" is how he describes politics.

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.


Nope. He's dumb as a rock if he thinks politics doesn't influence his life. I'd say he's hot . . . but cleaning portapotties? I think no.

Elandriel: I'm guessing the narrative then is "Obama sucks and kids don't like him"? But the majority of the "evidence" provided by this toilet paper of an article seems to be more related to "they have no idea what Romney actually represents and therefore think he's great". This is not going to turn out well for Romney if the youth actually pay attention for five minutes, because right now they appear to be saying "I don't like the economy and Obama is in charge, so who's running against him again? Romney? Who? Well I don't know him from a hole in the ground but I do know I am mildly disappointed with Obama right now."


I'm more worried that idiots like these won't pay attention for the 5 minutes that will take.
 
2012-07-03 01:06:36 PM
Now they are in the real world and wondering WTF happened

Is that the same world that has universal health coverage in most developed nations?
 
2012-07-03 01:11:19 PM
...and the alternative is what?

The country cannot afford a Romney Presidency.

Our grandkids can't afford a Romney Presidency...
 
2012-07-03 01:13:07 PM

hubiestubert: ...and the alternative is what?

The country cannot afford a Romney Presidency.

Our grandkids can't afford a Romney Presidency...


You mean that you don't want to shift the burden of tax cuts for the job creators on to future generations and bound them to corporate slavery?
 
2012-07-03 01:18:15 PM
I will admit to being a smarmy little College Republican prick. Then the entire housing market went in the crapper, and the party of personal responsibility supported giving MY tax money to institutions that screwed up while expecting people to actually honor their own mortgage debt. It was a delightfully Randian irony that turned me into a fairly radical liberal.

And Barack Obama is still the finest Republican President in my lifetime
 
2012-07-03 01:37:11 PM

Elandriel: Maria Verdugo, a 20-year-old graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, barely remembers the presidential election of 2008 - the one that spawned a youth movement that was singular in its scope and political effectiveness - except for "something about Obama saying we needed a change."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

Chad Tevlin, 19, a student trying to pay for college by cleaning portable toilets in South Bend, Ind., cannot recall if he registered to vote at all. "Pointless" is how he describes politics.

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

And Kristen Klenke, a music student in central Michigan, has decided to skip this election altogether. "I know it sounds horrible," said Ms. Klenke, 20. "But there's a lot of discouragement going around."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

I'm guessing the narrative then is "Obama sucks and kids don't like him"? But the majority of the "evidence" provided by this toilet paper of an article seems to be more related to "they have no idea what Romney actually represents and therefore think he's great". This is not going to turn out well for Romney if the youth actually pay attention for five minutes, because right now they appear to be saying "I don't like the economy and Obama is in charge, so who's running against him again? Romney? Who? Well I don't know him from a hole in the ground but I do know I am mildly disappointed with Obama right now."



CAME here to say THIS

Add in that these tards were too young to actually remember bush 2.0. They were 8-16?
They were 9 when 9/11 happened? Voting for Rmoney will help them how?
 
2012-07-03 01:39:26 PM

cman: the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus.


i.imgur.com

Wait, you mean Obama? Who made him look like Jesus?
 
2012-07-03 01:43:55 PM

Elandriel: Maria Verdugo, a 20-year-old graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, barely remembers the presidential election of 2008 - the one that spawned a youth movement that was singular in its scope and political effectiveness - except for "something about Obama saying we needed a change."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

Chad Tevlin, 19, a student trying to pay for college by cleaning portable toilets in South Bend, Ind., cannot recall if he registered to vote at all. "Pointless" is how he describes politics.

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

And Kristen Klenke, a music student in central Michigan, has decided to skip this election altogether. "I know it sounds horrible," said Ms. Klenke, 20. "But there's a lot of discouragement going around."

OK, so, didn't vote in the last presidential election.

I'm guessing the narrative then is "Obama sucks and kids don't like him"? But the majority of the "evidence" provided by this toilet paper of an article seems to be more related to "they have no idea what Romney actually represents and therefore think he's great". This is not going to turn out well for Romney if the youth actually pay attention for five minutes, because right now they appear to be saying "I don't like the economy and Obama is in charge, so who's running against him again? Romney? Who? Well I don't know him from a hole in the ground but I do know I am mildly disappointed with Obama right now."


This is just horserace journalism bullshiat. People who weren't old enough to vote in 2008 should not be used as evidence of anything for 2012. The people who think politics is pointless weren't going to vote anyway, and for the young people who pay attention, I doubt that they will be captivated by the siren song of Mitt Romney trying to appeal to their grandparents.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:50 PM

Aar1012: I'm 24 and I know what happened. The GOP went full derp. They could have buried Reaganism and imbraced Goldwater style conservatism...but, no, they had to circle the wagons and go full derp.

Does Obama share some of the blame? Yes.

Is he better than the alternative? Yes


THIS!

I'm 24 and I witnessed the same thing. The GOP has no one but themselves to blame for failing to attract the youth vote.
 
2012-07-03 01:49:25 PM
Thought he was the Messiah + learned it wasn't quite true > Thinks he is a Kenyan-born Socialist-Nazi-Muslim.
 
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