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(The New York Times)   Four years ago they voted for him in droves. He was hip, he was cool, he was AWESOME and more importantly he was going to give them everything they wanted. Now they are in the real world and wondering WTF happened   (nytimes.com) divider line 276
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2012-07-03 02:29:39 PM  

CanuckInCA: Everytime I read one of these new york times articles about college students, I can't help but wonder if they intentionally seek out lazy farking morons to make everyone seem apathetic and useless.


I clean sh*t out of boxes for a living and I don't have a well-formed opinion on politics. Or the correct way to wear pants. Or how to breathe. I'm representative of the youths.
 
2012-07-03 02:34:00 PM  

FishyFred: Mikey1969: As for the second part of the statement, if you can't manage your student loans, maybe college was a little too advanced for you anyway. Seriously, I make a call and get 6 to 12 months to get my finances back in order. I don't have to call and convince anyone, they even start the process IMMEDIATELY, while I get the needed paperwork. Not sure why this seems hard to you, like I said, maybe college was something that scared you for good reason?

Tell me about your personal Student Loan Horror Stories.

Where are you borrowing from that it's that easy? My friends with loans and unstable job situations had to practically beg Sallie Mae for forbearance when they became unemployed.

I have no horror stories, but I would also like to hear them from other people.


I found student loans to be pretty easy to deal with. Interest was significantly lower than expected, I had forgotten about one of my loans and they caught me up on payments without any penalty, and the terms are better than what you will get on home or car loans. The key is to pay it off at a quicker rate than they allow, which I found very easy by living like a college kid for another 3-4 years while working.
 
2012-07-03 02:36:59 PM  
kithfans.com

...Not to mention, he's 45 (or was).
 
2012-07-03 02:41:44 PM  

CanuckInCA: Everytime I read one of these new york times articles about college students, I can't help but wonder if they intentionally seek out lazy farking morons to make everyone seem apathetic and useless.


Remember that college has become a basic job requirement like high school used to be, so if picking a student to interview is tossing darts then finding someone that's actually there for education would be a thirty-point shot. Add in that serious students don't really have the free time to engage in political activism or talk to reporters, and aren't likely to be lounging around in public areas in the middle of the day when the news van rolls up.

Basically, I don't think it's intentional, but there is a definite, severe selection bias.
 
2012-07-03 02:42:36 PM  

FishyFred: Mikey1969: As for the second part of the statement, if you can't manage your student loans, maybe college was a little too advanced for you anyway. Seriously, I make a call and get 6 to 12 months to get my finances back in order. I don't have to call and convince anyone, they even start the process IMMEDIATELY, while I get the needed paperwork. Not sure why this seems hard to you, like I said, maybe college was something that scared you for good reason?

Tell me about your personal Student Loan Horror Stories.

Where are you borrowing from that it's that easy? My friends with loans and unstable job situations had to practically beg Sallie Mae for forbearance when they became unemployed.

I have no horror stories, but I would also like to hear them from other people.


Direct Loans has been easy to work with Link, so has ACS loans Link. pretty much indistinguishable when it comes to service.
 
2012-07-03 02:45:28 PM  
TFA: But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney - 12 points - is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics.

This is bad news... for Obama.

/subby is abnormal
 
2012-07-03 02:47:02 PM  

Jim_Callahan: CanuckInCA: Everytime I read one of these new york times articles about college students, I can't help but wonder if they intentionally seek out lazy farking morons to make everyone seem apathetic and useless.

Remember that college has become a basic job requirement like high school used to be, so if picking a student to interview is tossing darts then finding someone that's actually there for education would be a thirty-point shot. Add in that serious students don't really have the free time to engage in political activism or talk to reporters, and aren't likely to be lounging around in public areas in the middle of the day when the news van rolls up.

Basically, I don't think it's intentional, but there is a definite, severe selection bias.


I was interviewed for a similar story three years ago. (pops)

The way it happened: My mom read a previous column and e-mailed her story to the reporter unsolicited.

You might be right that there is a selection bias, but reporters aren't going to go looking for stories if the stories are coming to them.

/still think this story in particular is horseshiat
 
2012-07-03 02:48:34 PM  

IlGreven: "The Real World" is like "Common Sense". Anyone giving you either phrase is probably lying to you.


Anyone who thinks university education is not part of the "real world" fails to appreciate that higher education in the United States is a multi-billon dollar per year industry.
 
2012-07-03 02:49:02 PM  
WE GET IT

OBAMA IS A FAILURE

VOTE RMONEY BECAUSE HE'S SO MUCH BETTERno he isn't
 
2012-07-03 02:49:20 PM  
the GOP apparently thinks playing Concern Troll is the way to electoral success.

because they are idiots.
 
2012-07-03 02:49:45 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I clean sh*t out of boxes for a living and I don't have a well-formed opinion on politics. Or the correct way to wear pants. Or how to breathe. I'm representative of the youths.


so...a lawyer, right?
 
2012-07-03 02:50:01 PM  

BillCo: Disillusioned by Hopey McChange?

Unleash the unicorns!


Vote Nopey McSame.
 
2012-07-03 02:51:28 PM  

LarryDan43: BillCo: Disillusioned by Hopey McChange?

Unleash the unicorns!

Vote Nopey McSame.


Get it right..... Vote ChangebummerObongo McHopeington, EsquireMcRib.
 
2012-07-03 02:52:26 PM  

tony41454: Kids, are you better off now than four years ago? No? Then vote the alternative. Obama's had four years to make good and he can't. He's got to go.


I have you favorited in Birther orange. Huh.
 
2012-07-03 02:53:27 PM  

s2s2s2: Thought he was the Messiah + learned it wasn't quite true > Thinks he is a Kenyan-born Socialist-Nazi-Muslim.


And even that is a stretch since the majority of people that voted for Obama saw him as nothing more but the best alternative to a Republican party that couldn't even properly vet its candidates.

Any read Christian knows that Jesus will never touch the earth again as he stated upon his ascent into Heaven. There is no messiah to come and anything after him is simply men that try to make the world better.

I voted for Obama and my only regret is that he waited too long to decide that the Republicans couldn't be bartered and negotiated with. They even came out and announced how hard they would work to ensure his failure rather than letting his ideas fail or succeed on their own.
 
2012-07-03 02:54:05 PM  

platedlizard: tony41454: Kids, are you better off now than four years ago? No? Then vote the alternative. Obama's had four years to make good and he can't. He's got to go.

I have you favorited in Birther orange. Huh.


The only person I know who is worse off than 4 years ago is a dude who got popped for kid touching / exposing. Everyone else is doing fine.
 
2012-07-03 02:54:49 PM  

Curse of the Goth Kids: TFA: But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney - 12 points - is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics.

This is bad news... for Obama.

/subby is abnormal


Yeah I read that part too and thought, "So Obama isn't kicking as much ass in the polls as he was however still kicking Romney's ass."
 
2012-07-03 02:55:34 PM  
Various People: Goldwater stuff

Oh, lay off the revisionist crap. Goldwater and Buckley, and their neoconservative ilk, were the dog whistle-blowing wingnuts who ran the Rockefeller Republicans out of the party in the first place, with the same ignorant horseshiat we still see conservatives doing today.
 
2012-07-03 02:56:48 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Various People: Goldwater stuff

Oh, lay off the revisionist crap. Goldwater and Buckley, and their neoconservative ilk, were the dog whistle-blowing wingnuts who ran the Rockefeller Republicans out of the party in the first place, with the same ignorant horseshiat we still see conservatives doing today.


True, but he wasn't wrong with the same quote we all put out from time to time. It just turns out that Goldwater was no better than those he feared.
 
2012-07-03 02:56:53 PM  

BillCo: Disillusioned by Hopey McChange?

Unleash the unicorns!


Billco your nonsensical posts remind me of being in line at the grocery store and having a drunk in front of me with a single 99 cent beer in one hand and a dollar in the other hand. The clerk takes the beer and runs the bar code for a price. It comes up $1.04. The drunk then looks down at his dollar and can't figure out why it is not enough. He is completely baffled by why the $.99 price he saw on the cooler came out to be $1.04.
 
2012-07-03 02:57:13 PM  

bdub77: Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote.


Yeah but last election the youth vote cared, then he went after our weed.
 
2012-07-03 02:57:48 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you make a college degree as common as a high school degree you will make it as worthless as a high school degree.


I disagree. While degrees being common may diminish the value to whoever holds the degree in terms of advantage getting a position and earning power, we still have a more educated workforce. Someone with a degree should be able to accomplish more than without and therefore should be able to earn more. Now, whether or not education and businesses allows someone to accomplish more is a different discussion.

Universities need to make education advantageous, and businesses need to take advantage of education. I see neither happening often. Of course, this should all be tempered by the fact not everyone needs to attend university for a minimum of four years right after high school; not every position demands this, not every person wants those positions which do demand this, and not every person is capable or ready. However, being common should not itself make those degrees worthless.
 
2012-07-03 02:59:13 PM  
If the GOP wasn't something on the deranged level of a frenzied witch-burning mob, maybe they might stand a chance.

But since they ARE on the same deranged level as a frenzied witch-burning mob, nuh uh. No one in their right mind is going to vote for a K Street Weasel like RoMONEY, no matter how many bazillions that Las Vegas criminals and the Koch Brothers shovel into the campaign.
 
2012-07-03 02:59:20 PM  
Generation Y are still a bunch of whiny, lazy, slackers still tied to their mother's apron strings who haven't entered the real world.......

/Gen X'er who is happy to be able to say it
 
2012-07-03 03:00:15 PM  

thirdrail: Curse of the Goth Kids: TFA: But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney - 12 points - is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics.

This is bad news... for Obama.

/subby is abnormal

Yeah I read that part too and thought, "So Obama isn't kicking as much ass in the polls as he was however still kicking Romney's ass."


Technically speaking my parents are, but only because my dad got over-ambitious and bought a house last winter that's taking far longer to fix up than he expected. (they buy houses, fix them up, and rent them out)
 
2012-07-03 03:02:09 PM  

cman: The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus


The ONLY people I've ever heard/seen him compare to Jesus are Republicans.....just saying.
 
2012-07-03 03:03:48 PM  
The only thing Obama has done wrong, imho, is not tear the gop a new asshole like I was hoping he would.
Other than that, meh.
 
2012-07-03 03:05:48 PM  

Jim_Callahan: CanuckInCA: Everytime I read one of these new york times articles about college students, I can't help but wonder if they intentionally seek out lazy farking morons to make everyone seem apathetic and useless.

Remember that college has become a basic job requirement like high school used to be, so if picking a student to interview is tossing darts then finding someone that's actually there for education would be a thirty-point shot. Add in that serious students don't really have the free time to engage in political activism or talk to reporters, and aren't likely to be lounging around in public areas in the middle of the day when the news van rolls up.

Basically, I don't think it's intentional, but there is a definite, severe selection bias.


Well the reporters could seek out good schools. Greater likelihood of finding someone who is there for an education beyond basic job requirements.
 
2012-07-03 03:06:02 PM  

brigid_fitch: bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.

Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.


Think about what 20 somethings have seen in their lifetimes and it'll be clearer. Out of laziness I'll just leave it at endless supplies of hypocrisy from the right, slightly less from the left, and absolutely no chance that a reasonable candidate will ever arise because it costs several hundred million dollars to run for president.

Every election, more absurd than the last. Every elected official no less bought and paid for than the last. We get varying degrees of fidelity and integrity from our elected officials. Some are more principled because they have so little to lose. Some are more principled because they actually believe in something other than themselves.

It's like we're on the inside of a sort of Tragedy of the Commons, where Information and truth became commodities. Commodities to be produced and consumed on some kind of free market principle of zero-sum competition. Every election's a horse race. Every issue is the end of days. Every bill too confusing to understand. Every candidate a liar and a paragon of truth. Every anonymous informant 100% trustworthy.

Our system of democracy, the power of the people to choose individuals from amongst themselves to represent their local interests, is breaking, has been breaking for decades. And it's not republicans. It's not democrats.

It's us. People. We are apparently incapable of self-governance. Maybe Machiavelli was right.
 
2012-07-03 03:06:36 PM  

Somacandra: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I clean sh*t out of boxes for a living and I don't have a well-formed opinion on politics. Or the correct way to wear pants. Or how to breathe. I'm representative of the youths.

so...a lawyer, right?


Well, I have a GED in law...
 
MFL
2012-07-03 03:06:36 PM  
soporific
There was no excuse for the low turnout of 2010, and at least young people are starting to realize why they were stupid two years ago for letting the Tea Party roll in and start wreckign the place. Young people are the ones who get screwed over the worst, and it's because they are too ignorant to realize how important voting is

Young people are stupid because they always vote for the clown that promises them free unicorn rides and cotton candy in exchange for the fruits of their labor for the next 50 years.
 
2012-07-03 03:06:37 PM  
Oh. And HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY EVERYONE!
 
2012-07-03 03:07:05 PM  
Do Republicans think people are stupid? I guess so, and people keep proving them right.

You can't be the most obstructionist party in history, then at the end of the term proclaim the other side "accomplished almost nothing!"

That's like a cop handcuffing a suspect, then throwing him in jail when he couldn't make it to work.
 
2012-07-03 03:07:16 PM  

Citrate1007: cman: The problem was not with the people who voted for him; the fault lies in those who made him look like Jesus

The ONLY people I've ever heard/seen him compare to Jesus are Republicans.....just saying.


Not true. Some Facebook conservatroll posted a link to a 2008 YouTube video that showed ONE black woman jumping for joy that she'll never have to work again because Obama just got elected. Because Obama is totally magical, like Jesus.

So, yeah, there's at least 1.
 
2012-07-03 03:08:05 PM  

BeesNuts: brigid_fitch: bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.

Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.

Think about what 20 somethings have seen in their lifetimes and it'll be clearer. Out of laziness I'll just leave it at endless supplies of hypocrisy from the right, slightly less from the left, and absolutely no chance that a reasonable candidate will ever arise because it costs several hundred million dollars to run for president.

Every election, more absurd than the last. Every elected official n ...


So vote republicant?
 
2012-07-03 03:08:26 PM  

MFL: soporific
There was no excuse for the low turnout of 2010, and at least young people are starting to realize why they were stupid two years ago for letting the Tea Party roll in and start wreckign the place. Young people are the ones who get screwed over the worst, and it's because they are too ignorant to realize how important voting is

Young people are stupid because they always vote for the clown that promises them free unicorn rides and cotton candy in exchange for the fruits of their labor for the next 50 years.


Really? I thought that was the Tea Party. They want stuff without having to pay for it with taxes. I think you are misinformed.
 
2012-07-03 03:09:58 PM  

FishyFred: I read this article a few days ago and wondered what the hell the RNC promised this reporter in exchange for this horseshiat.



It's the New York Times, so obviously scoops on the war with Iran they are planning if they win the election.
 
2012-07-03 03:11:00 PM  

I Browse: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


"If you're starving, and somebody throws you a cracker, you're gonna be like 'Goddamn! That's the best cracker I ever ate in my life! That wasn't no regular cracker, was it?? What was that, a Saltine? Goddamn that was delicious!"



That was the voting mindset in 2008. A lot of people were starving. And Obama was a Ritz compared to the crackers we'd been getting. Four years later, we realize he's just regular crackers. But given the same choice, I'd vote for him again with no regrets.


You must like crackers...and yet...there is something strange about calling Obama a cracker. He's only half cracker.
 
2012-07-03 03:12:17 PM  

intelligent comment below: Do Republicans think people are stupid?


Not only do they think people are stupid, they are counting on it.
 
2012-07-03 03:12:23 PM  

MyRandomName: Dusk-You-n-Me: There's your choice young voters. Vote accordingly.

It's so cute liberals equate these two very similar points to being so different. Yes everyone deserves college if they they are able. No everyone is not entitled to 30k a year tuition. Romneys point was that maybe not choosing 30k a year nyu is better. Oh noes cost benefit analysis. How evil!



So you support only rich people going to good quality schools.

Sounds like a sort of aristocracy, with the lower class "knowing their place"

That's your ideal America, isn't it?
 
2012-07-03 03:12:46 PM  

bwilson27: so vote republican?


This is still the stupidest argument on Fark.
 
2012-07-03 03:12:49 PM  
I didn't vote in 08 because I was a college libertarian dickbag. Will not be making that mistake again.
 
2012-07-03 03:15:30 PM  
Obama is the political manifestation of bell bottom pants.
 
2012-07-03 03:16:02 PM  
So the yutes have learned that every 4 years they get to "choose" between two insipid, dishonest corporate shills? Welcome to reality!

My advice? Look at the party, not the man. One party is going to keep stumbling around directionless and clueless. One party is trying to institute a Christian Taliban and take us back to the Middle Ages. Neither option is ideal, but one is clearly worse than the other.
 
2012-07-03 03:18:10 PM  

bwilson27: BeesNuts: brigid_fitch: bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.

Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.

Think about what 20 somethings have seen in their lifetimes and it'll be clearer. Out of laziness I'll just leave it at endless supplies of hypocrisy from the right, slightly less from the left, and absolutely no chance that a reasonable candidate will ever arise because it costs several hundred million dollars to run for president.

Every election, more absurd than the last. Every elected ...

So vote Republicant?


Naw. Vote how your conscience and your intellect dictates. Inform the misinformed around you. Seek more and better quality information. NEVER. STOP. THINKING. Focus on local politics first, understand your immediate surroundings as a microcosm of the problems facing all Americans, and then use that for perspective when choosing someone for federal offices.

And realize what the functions of your elected official are in our system. Don't elect a senator or representative based on his opinions about Iran. Vote for him based on his opinions about YOU. Vote for *YOUR* best interests first, the best interests of the nation second, and the best interests of your neighbors third.

Understand what can be understood. Don't get distracted by that which can't.

And PARTICIPATE.

But that's hard to turn into an acronym, so I'll leave it at BSABSV.
 
2012-07-03 03:20:42 PM  

BeesNuts: bwilson27: BeesNuts: brigid_fitch: bdub77: It pisses me off that the youth in our country don't vote. I was about as irresponsible as can be in college and I still voted every two years.

Being in college doesn't help, though. When kids go to college, they typically leave their local voting area. Since voting day isn't a national holiday and is on a goddamn Tuesday, they don't end up voting. Sure they could vote absentee but they won't, because they don't care enough.

Anyway, Obama isn't going to lose the youth vote. If they are disillusioned they will still vote Obama over Romney.

Not to mention, when you're in college, you're largely insulated from news. Yeah, you've got the internet now and plenty of other information sources but what college kid do you know is REALLY involved in the day-to-day news? My college years were spent studying & hanging out w/friends. I had no clue how far-fetched Reagan's Star Wars idea was or just how much saber-rattling he did against Russia. I "knew" about the Japanese buying up huge tracts of the US and our "rescue" of the students in Grenada. My parents voted Republican so I did, too. Then, my student aid got slashed, ketchup was suddenly a vegetable, the housing market crashed, and nobody could get a job. After that, I began to pay close attention.

These kids will do the same. They may have been disillusioned the first time around and are unhappy with their choice. However, after they listen to the candidates, they'll make a more informed choice--and end up voting for Obama again, if only because the alternative is out of his farking mind.

Think about what 20 somethings have seen in their lifetimes and it'll be clearer. Out of laziness I'll just leave it at endless supplies of hypocrisy from the right, slightly less from the left, and absolutely no chance that a reasonable candidate will ever arise because it costs several hundred million dollars to run for president.

Every election, more absurd than the last. Eve ...


Well, partner, everyone does vote their best interests first. Which is why congress has a shiatty approval rating but high incumbency: the rep keeps giving us cool shiat!
 
2012-07-03 03:23:38 PM  
MyRandomName: It's so cute liberals equate these two very similar points to being so different. Yes everyone deserves college if they they are able. No everyone is not entitled to 30k a year tuition. Romneys point was that maybe not choosing 30k a year nyu is better. Oh noes cost benefit analysis. How evil!

First of all, it's spectacularly douchey to say "it's so cute" as if you're somehow so above it all. Stop trying so hard.

Second, Obama calling higher education "an economic necessity that shouldn't be reserved for the privileged few" is IN NO WAY the same thing as Romney saying that students "should get as much education as they can afford." Obama is saying that everyone should get a fair shot regardless of their income, while Romney is falling back on the ideal that has served him well his entire life: put up a velvet rope to keep out the undesireables.

You are astonishingly retarded to try and spin this any other way.
 
2012-07-03 03:23:41 PM  
Delectable! The cutesy Fark Lib Circle Jerk Club has again shown up in full force to disparage a candidate, while ignoring the fact that the guy they voted for 4 years ago is full of fail! "Well he's better than the alternative ZOMG!" That's all the artillery they have, except for "yeah but obstructionist republican derpity doo." Nice!
 
2012-07-03 03:25:48 PM  
Let's just say that the media's as liberal as China's official news agency.

That is all.
 
2012-07-03 03:25:51 PM  

Friction8r: Well he's better than the alternative ZOMG!" That's all the artillery they have,


What do you want people so say?
 
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