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2012-07-03 01:47:04 PM

PorradaVFR: BadReligion: PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings:
Was it a G26? If so, yeah, it is 10+1. If it was a G19 it was 15+1, and a G17 is 17+1. Either way, she didn't empty her gun.

My G19 came 10 +1 out of the box, it can carry the 15 +1 magazines as well, but they're not included standard AFAIK.


If Glock is selling people guns with reduced capacity mags in states that dont restrict the buyer to 10 rounds max that is bad business. I would be mad if I paid for something and found that it was only 2/3 capable of what was touted. Glock would get a strongly worded letter demanding an exchange of my reduced capacity mag to a standard capacity mag if I were you.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:41 PM

LesserEvil: There is a bill to stop this, but Rand Paul is blocking it "as an issue of states' rights" - though no other Republicans want to block it.


You know, there is a shadow rising as cold as winter's heart as more and more of these addicts act like a dragon reborn. With the eye of the world watching our nation is at a crossroads of twilight. Now, serving public office is known to be a path of daggers where you must wear a crown of swords, but the fires of heaven will support those who take on the great hunt against the shadow rising out of the gathering storm. If we allow the lord of chaos to cut us to pieces with a knife of dreams while our morals sleep in the towers of midnight we will forget the memory of light from the new spring that started when we began this drug war over 20 years ago.
 
2012-07-03 01:53:00 PM
This is really a sad story and when it's all said and done there's a lot of blame to go around.

The kid was obviously troubled (parents divorced, parents out-of-state taking care his sister that had cancer), the grandmother was probably overwhelmed and scared, the parents thought they were doing the right thing by not moving the kid away from his friends his senior year (though in retrospect, moving him away from the same friends that were getting him into trouble may have been the right choice).

Bottom line is that grandma should have called 911 again, rather that shooting the kid. He wasn't on bath salts, he tested positive for K2/Spice aka synthetic marijuana. While he allegedly threatened her asked her for money and the car keys after he failed his urine test with the probation officer, the bottom line is that he was shot from 3 feet away 3 times before she shot the additional 5. The first 3 shots would have likely killed him and it definitely stopped whatever threatening actions he may have taken.

I know the defense will spin this but if grandma felt so threatened by the kid, rather than purchasing a gun a month prior, she should have sent him back to his parents.
 
2012-07-03 01:54:12 PM

BadReligion: PorradaVFR: Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

You don't know much about Glocks. The only Glock that is 6+1 is the G36, a subcompact, single stack .45ACP. Glock's come with high cap mags from the factory, unless you are in a state that has 10 round or 15 round mag limits.


i guess you and I are just sticklers for details. i find a lot of gun guys are detail oriented. on some things anyway. its funny I cant be bothered to capitalize my letters, but I can spend all day trying to make a quarter inch group with a .30 inch bullet (wait what?)
 
2012-07-03 01:57:25 PM

davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR: Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

You don't know much about Glocks. The only Glock that is 6+1 is the G36, a subcompact, single stack .45ACP. Glock's come with high cap mags from the factory, unless you are in a state that has 10 round or 15 round mag limits.

i guess you and I are just sticklers for details. i find a lot of gun guys are detail oriented. on some things anyway. its funny I cant be bothered to capitalize my letters, but I can spend all day trying to make a quarter inch group with a .30 inch bullet (wait what?)


I don't even own my Glocks anymore, gave the G19 to my stepmom, and sold the G22 to a co-worker. I found I couldn't shoot them very well. Most of my guns are S&W revolvers, Rugers, and Sig's. The gun I shoot best is my Smith 686. Also, what are you shooting that is .30 in?
 
2012-07-03 02:01:08 PM
Unfortunately, I think we're well past the point where we can just legalize weed and all of these synthetic problems will go away. For one, we obviously can't legalize PCP to get rid of bath salts. But the bigger problem is that like crank, spice can be made so cheaply in such large quantities that the profit margin is much higher than weed while still costing less, which is incredibly attractive to dealers and users as much as quickie markets. The areas where weed is medical or decriminalized have lots of extremely expensive designer weed, somewhat expensive ditch weed, and cheap as dirt synthetics.

We should still legalize weed, but it won't stop synthetics.

Also, damn sad story all around, no winners at all, even the prosecution probably feels shiatty for having to do it.
 
2012-07-03 02:06:33 PM

slayer199: He wasn't on bath salts, he tested positive for K2/Spice aka synthetic marijuana.


There isn't any real difference, just so you know. Psychotic episodes are psychotic episodes. All of the synthetics being used mess with the brain in ways nobody fully understands, except that is is messing with the brain in some very bad ways - all part of the cost of providing a high through a loophole in the system as cheaply as possible for the suppliers.

I know this from having to deal with a teen who used this stuff. Bad smokers cough, all the time. Fits of anger, incoherence, theft, threats.... culminating in an event that seems to have finally convinced him to stop using the stuff. Kids rationalize it's OK because, heck, they sell this at the party store, right?

My main point is: Don't think that "spice" is harmless. The analogs may not be as "hard" as the bath salts, but they induce mostly the same physiological reactions and extreme (and untreatable) psychosis.
 
2012-07-03 02:13:10 PM

BadReligion: PorradaVFR:
You don't know much about Glocks. The only Glock that is 6+1 is the G36, a subcompact, single stack .45ACP. Glock's come with high cap mags from the factory, unless you are in a state that has 10 round or 15 round mag limits.


I got mine over ten years ago in FL and it included two 10-round magazines - I did not know they now ship with the 15rd ones...but that's moot anyway since I now reside in CA.
 
2012-07-03 02:15:38 PM

BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:

i guess you and I are just sticklers for details. i find a lot of gun guys are detail oriented. on some things anyway. its funny I cant be bothered to capitalize my letters, but I can spend all day trying to make a quarter inch group with a .30 inch bullet (wait what?)

I don't even own my Glocks anymore, gave the G19 to my stepmom, and sold the G22 to a co-worker. I found I couldn't shoot them very well. Most of my guns are S&W revolvers, Rugers, and Sig's. The gun I shoot best is my Smith 686. Also, what are you shooting that is .30 in?


30-06, works for just about every scenario I will ever be in... deer, pig, bear... hope I never have to but people, cougars, coyote. I know we were just talking pistols but I am a rifle shooter at heart.
if it came down to an incident in the home, it is unlikely my pistol would see the light of day because my 20 gauge and some number 3 buck come out first.
 
2012-07-03 02:20:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Walker: But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

This. Grandma's going to spend the rest of her days behind bars.


So, in real time that would equate to... what? Next Thursday?

inline4:
Strange story, that 'synthetic marijuana' is weird stuff though. I've heard of people having some pretty crazy reactions to it.

I take Marinol (prescribed) The worst that has happened to me is I once watched Telemundo for over 2 hours before I realized that they were speaking a language that I don't readily understand.
 
2012-07-03 02:27:40 PM

davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:

i guess you and I are just sticklers for details. i find a lot of gun guys are detail oriented. on some things anyway. its funny I cant be bothered to capitalize my letters, but I can spend all day trying to make a quarter inch group with a .30 inch bullet (wait what?)

I don't even own my Glocks anymore, gave the G19 to my stepmom, and sold the G22 to a co-worker. I found I couldn't shoot them very well. Most of my guns are S&W revolvers, Rugers, and Sig's. The gun I shoot best is my Smith 686. Also, what are you shooting that is .30 in?

30-06, works for just about every scenario I will ever be in... deer, pig, bear... hope I never have to but people, cougars, coyote. I know we were just talking pistols but I am a rifle shooter at heart.
if it came down to an incident in the home, it is unlikely my pistol would see the light of day because my 20 gauge and some number 3 buck come out first.


Ah, that makes sense. I am more of a pistol guy. I have about 15 pistols, but only 2 rifles, and 1 shotgun, and the shotgun is for shooting clay pidgeons, it would be too long to use for HD. My HD gun is a Beretta 92A1 with a TRL-3 mounted to it, loaded with Gold Dot 9mm+P 124grain.
 
2012-07-03 02:36:14 PM

PorradaVFR: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:
You don't know much about Glocks. The only Glock that is 6+1 is the G36, a subcompact, single stack .45ACP. Glock's come with high cap mags from the factory, unless you are in a state that has 10 round or 15 round mag limits.

I got mine over ten years ago in FL and it included two 10-round magazines - I did not know they now ship with the 15rd ones...but that's moot anyway since I now reside in CA.


we like 10 rounds in these here parts. or so they tell me. the one thing i like about 10 round mags is that when you load them and then look down at your ammo box you get nice even lines. makes me feel good about stopping halfway through a box. none of this shooting 4 mags of 12 rounders and then realizing you have two stray rounds in the box... i mean really, what do you do with two left over bullets? dont want to carry around a whole box for just two rounds, but you also dont want to have to load a 12 round mag with just 2 bullets

sadly my rifle mag holds 3, and boxes come in 20 or 100 rounds.
/rifle for sale
 
2012-07-03 02:44:07 PM
She did everybody a great big favor. Good riddance. She's old anyway and they're going to put her away for life? Haha! What is that.. like a year at best?
 
2012-07-03 02:48:47 PM

BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:

Ah, that makes sense. I am more of a pistol guy. I have about 15 pistols, but only 2 rifles, and 1 shotgun, and the shotgun is for shooting clay pidgeons, it would be too long to use for HD. My HD gun is a Beretta 92A1 with a TRL-3 mounted to it, loaded with Gold Dot 9mm+P 124grain.


speaking of gold dot 9mm+P, what ammo do you think our grandma was using? FMJ target loads? after all she managed to shoot him three times in the chest, once in the abs, and once in the arm, and who know which ones were before he called 911. one can live a long time if shot in the arm and abs, but i am thinking she was using the wrong ammo for the job.
 
2012-07-03 02:55:36 PM

davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:

Ah, that makes sense. I am more of a pistol guy. I have about 15 pistols, but only 2 rifles, and 1 shotgun, and the shotgun is for shooting clay pidgeons, it would be too long to use for HD. My HD gun is a Beretta 92A1 with a TRL-3 mounted to it, loaded with Gold Dot 9mm+P 124grain.

speaking of gold dot 9mm+P, what ammo do you think our grandma was using? FMJ target loads? after all she managed to shoot him three times in the chest, once in the abs, and once in the arm, and who know which ones were before he called 911. one can live a long time if shot in the arm and abs, but i am thinking she was using the wrong ammo for the job.


The 3 to the chest should have really done him in, even with FMJ. I assume she missed his heart, and got some other vital organs that killed him slowly.
 
2012-07-03 03:33:42 PM

UhrturmGraz: UhrturmGraz: This broke the same week an aquaintance and K2 smoking partner of the teen broke into his adoptive family's home with a friend, and beat the father to death. The mother and brother are still in the hospital recovering from the beating. I believe he killed the dog as well, but left the 7 year old sister alone.

Link

Sorry, here's the actual link to their link. It's nice to see nobody was eaten.


Coincidence
 
2012-07-03 03:42:52 PM

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RIP Nena


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RIP Nana
 
2012-07-03 03:47:42 PM
No Winners


well.... maybe one winner


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2012-07-03 03:55:47 PM
Seems like the kid was freaking out from that fake weed bullshiat.

He had just been put on a years probation because he was caught with teh weed.

Seems like this could've been avoided if weed wasn't illegal.
 
2012-07-03 04:03:14 PM
Has she released any kind of statement? It would be interesting to read her side of the story.
 
2012-07-03 04:30:14 PM
She never should have gotten out of the car.
 
2012-07-03 05:11:29 PM
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/grandma could be a crackhead
 
2012-07-03 05:14:13 PM
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I killed him because he wouldn't blow my nose.
 
2012-07-03 07:38:47 PM

davidphogan: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Synthetic marijuana isn't bath salts. Still stupid, but different stupid.

I agree it was murder though.


how's the view from up their on your high horse? i'll have you know only the best people fancy bath salts.
 
2012-07-03 08:49:35 PM

KrispyKritter: davidphogan: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Synthetic marijuana isn't bath salts. Still stupid, but different stupid.

I agree it was murder though.

how's the view from up their on your high horse? i'll have you know only the best people fancy bath salts.


My high whores are just fine, thank you very much.
 
2012-07-04 08:24:27 AM

davidab: PorradaVFR: Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

you mean in the .45 cambering?
Glock 36


I have a Glock 36. It is indeed 6+1, and that's due to the narrower grip frame that requires a single-stack magazine. I've got smaller hands than most men, so the smaller grip offsets the smaller capacity. Also it is very concealable, which makes it my favorite carry gun.

What I dislike is that thanks to the bullshiat 1994 so-called assault weapon ban, standard capacity 15 round magazines were all artificially fitted with springs or plugs that would allow them to hold only 10 rounds and we were fed a bullshiat song and dance about 15 rounds being 'high capacity'.

It's not. It's the standard capacity for most full size semi-autos that use a double-stack magazine. It would be more accurate to call those 10 round magazines 'low capacity', sine they've been farked with to arbitrarily limit their capacity below design specification.
 
2012-07-05 03:07:05 PM

davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: davidab: BadReligion: PorradaVFR:

Ah, that makes sense. I am more of a pistol guy. I have about 15 pistols, but only 2 rifles, and 1 shotgun, and the shotgun is for shooting clay pidgeons, it would be too long to use for HD. My HD gun is a Beretta 92A1 with a TRL-3 mounted to it, loaded with Gold Dot 9mm+P 124grain.

speaking of gold dot 9mm+P, what ammo do you think our grandma was using? FMJ target loads? after all she managed to shoot him three times in the chest, once in the abs, and once in the arm, and who know which ones were before he called 911. one can live a long time if shot in the arm and abs, but i am thinking she was using the wrong ammo for the job.

The 3 to the chest should have really done him in, even with FMJ. I assume she missed his heart, and got some other vital organs that killed him slowly.


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you would think it should, but I can say that I had a bad experience shooting skunks in my area. We have a plethora of skunks in our area, and any thinning of the population is welcome. I was out doing my share with an air rifle as they would eat the cat food before the cat could. I ran out of my favorite pellet and ran down to the store to get more. All the store had were some target points. It took 6 pellets to kill the poor thing (last one was in the back of the head point blank). I switched back to the hollow point I was using before and was back to the 1 and done. Now we can speculate about 11.9 grains vs 14.7 because I didnt cut the guy open to see how deep they were penetrating, but at 15 feet distance and about 690 feet per second I believe both pellets were going deep enough (one in the head went clean through). I have to believe the issue was lack of a sufficient wound channel.

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