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2012-07-04 07:04:12 AM

Neeek: damn yanks: Gunny Highway: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If they end up with a starting 5 of Deron Williams, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, "X" (Rashard Lewis for the minimum? Gerald Wallace playing out of position?), and Dwight Howard, that's not "mortgaging the future," that's "legitimate title contender," subby.

Playoff team

Title contender, the team has 4 all stars.

That team has no defensive answer for LeBron. So it's not a contender.


It depends on how strictly you define contender. Considering Dwight Howard propelled a Magic team to the finals in 2009 with Hedo Turkoglu as its 2nd best player I'd say a Howard-Williams pairing is a contender.

And Gerald Wallace is still a good defender. No one is stopping Lebron, but if you need someone to slow him down a bit, Wallace is one of maybe 5 guys who has a shot at it. (Iguodala, Tony Allen, Artest, Deng, Wallace)

On the flip side, Miami has no one to match up against Howard. He's not on the same "take a game over" level as Lebron, but that's still a legitimate match up problem.

With Rose out, a Nets lineup with Williams, Howard and Johnson is the 2 seed and Miami's ECF opponent. I'd say if you have a good shot at making the conference finals you can be called a pre season title contender.
 
2012-07-04 11:57:03 AM

Baryogenesis: Neeek: damn yanks: Gunny Highway: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If they end up with a starting 5 of Deron Williams, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, "X" (Rashard Lewis for the minimum? Gerald Wallace playing out of position?), and Dwight Howard, that's not "mortgaging the future," that's "legitimate title contender," subby.

Playoff team

Title contender, the team has 4 all stars.

That team has no defensive answer for LeBron. So it's not a contender.

It depends on how strictly you define contender. Considering Dwight Howard propelled a Magic team to the finals in 2009 with Hedo Turkoglu as its 2nd best player I'd say a Howard-Williams pairing is a contender.

And Gerald Wallace is still a good defender. No one is stopping Lebron, but if you need someone to slow him down a bit, Wallace is one of maybe 5 guys who has a shot at it. (Iguodala, Tony Allen, Artest, Deng, Wallace)

On the flip side, Miami has no one to match up against Howard. He's not on the same "take a game over" level as Lebron, but that's still a legitimate match up problem.

With Rose out, a Nets lineup with Williams, Howard and Johnson is the 2 seed and Miami's ECF opponent. I'd say if you have a good shot at making the conference finals you can be called a pre season title contender.


The same Howard whom no one can match up with for a while now in the East and hes only been to the Finals once? The same Howard who beat Cleveland when Lebron's 2nd best teammate was Mo farking Williams? All you need is a defensive presence enough to push him outside the lane, after that hes useless until he develops an offensive game. Yeah, he may be a match up problem but not as serious as one as people always say he is. Until he starts absolutely dominating people on both ends of the floor they are ECF contenders at best.
 
2012-07-05 11:35:22 AM

Baryogenesis: It depends on how strictly you define contender. Considering Dwight Howard propelled a Magic team to the finals in 2009 with Hedo Turkoglu as its 2nd best player I'd say a Howard-Williams pairing is a contender.


Now you're going to pretend Turkoglu and Lewis weren't good in that series?

Turkoglu posted a 17.1/6.3/6.7 points/rebounds/assists average in that series. Rashard Lewis was better than Cleveland's second-best player, Mo Williams, as well (same number of points scored on about 5 fewer shots per game).

Rafer Alston, who was the 5th-best player for the Magic, was about equivalent to Delonte West, the Cavs' 3rd-best player.

Wow, how tough it must have been for Howard to "lead" (actually, Turkoglu was clearly the team's leader) them to victory over a team where Delonte West was the 3rd-best player (and it really wasn't that close). It won't be that easy anymore.
 
2012-07-05 01:56:57 PM

IAmRight: Baryogenesis: It depends on how strictly you define contender. Considering Dwight Howard propelled a Magic team to the finals in 2009 with Hedo Turkoglu as its 2nd best player I'd say a Howard-Williams pairing is a contender.

Now you're going to pretend Turkoglu and Lewis weren't good in that series?

Turkoglu posted a 17.1/6.3/6.7 points/rebounds/assists average in that series. Rashard Lewis was better than Cleveland's second-best player, Mo Williams, as well (same number of points scored on about 5 fewer shots per game).

Rafer Alston, who was the 5th-best player for the Magic, was about equivalent to Delonte West, the Cavs' 3rd-best player.

Wow, how tough it must have been for Howard to "lead" (actually, Turkoglu was clearly the team's leader) them to victory over a team where Delonte West was the 3rd-best player (and it really wasn't that close). It won't be that easy anymore.


Good Sir, Delonte west was not the third best player on the Cavs 07 team. He was about the 6th best. The Cavs had more role players and a deeper bench then the Magic. But yeah 1-5 the magic had a better team.
 
2012-07-05 02:04:51 PM

Rozotorical: Good Sir, Delonte west was not the third best player on the Cavs 07 team. He was about the 6th best. The Cavs had more role players and a deeper bench then the Magic.


Well, if you look at the '09 team, which is the team the Magic played and went to the Finals with, you'll see that yes, Delonte f*cking West WAS the Cavs' third-best player (and wasn't far behind Mo Williams in that series, either).
 
2012-07-05 06:37:49 PM

IAmRight: Baryogenesis: It depends on how strictly you define contender. Considering Dwight Howard propelled a Magic team to the finals in 2009 with Hedo Turkoglu as its 2nd best player I'd say a Howard-Williams pairing is a contender.

Now you're going to pretend Turkoglu and Lewis weren't good in that series?

Turkoglu posted a 17.1/6.3/6.7 points/rebounds/assists average in that series. Rashard Lewis was better than Cleveland's second-best player, Mo Williams, as well (same number of points scored on about 5 fewer shots per game).

Rafer Alston, who was the 5th-best player for the Magic, was about equivalent to Delonte West, the Cavs' 3rd-best player.

Wow, how tough it must have been for Howard to "lead" (actually, Turkoglu was clearly the team's leader) them to victory over a team where Delonte West was the 3rd-best player (and it really wasn't that close). It won't be that easy anymore.


Hedo might've been the leader, as far as running SVG's offensive system, but Howard put that team on his back. No way the Magic win that series w/o him. He was the only significant match-up advantage they had over the Cavs, and they exploited the hell out of it.
 
2012-07-05 08:20:04 PM

IAmRight: Rozotorical: Good Sir, Delonte west was not the third best player on the Cavs 07 team. He was about the 6th best. The Cavs had more role players and a deeper bench then the Magic.

Well, if you look at the '09 team, which is the team the Magic played and went to the Finals with, you'll see that yes, Delonte f*cking West WAS the Cavs' third-best player (and wasn't far behind Mo Williams in that series, either).


I still have Big Z, Mutant Curly Sue, ahead of him, I forgot that Ben Wallace fell apart in that post season.
 
2012-07-06 10:25:50 AM

Rozotorical: I still have Big Z, Mutant Curly Sue, ahead of him


Mutant Curly Sue put up an average of a gigantic 8.6 points/game in that series. Throw in legendary numbers like 5.3 rebounds/game and 0.5 assists/game, and no one's going to take you seriously when you say he's better than anyone.

Big Z posted an enormous 2 points in the final game of the series, and his averages were 10.1/9.0/1.0.

West posted around a 14/3/4.

In any case, none of the rest of the Cavs would have even cracked the Magic's starting lineup. The Magic had the 2nd-6th best players on the court at virtually all times.
 
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