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2012-07-03 07:25:14 AM
I can't believe it took them this long to figure out that if you want to build interest in a team, not allowing people to watch them play on TV is counterproductive.
 
2012-07-03 07:46:02 AM
High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.
 
2012-07-03 09:11:01 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.


This is the problem. Not against anybody making money but going to a game has gotten so expensive it's not worth it.
 
2012-07-03 09:14:53 AM
Case study: Chicago Blackhawks.
 
2012-07-03 09:29:39 AM
They're just getting ready for a team in LA.
 
2012-07-03 09:42:03 AM
"We believe that it is important to get technology into our stadiums," Goodell said in May. "We have made the point repeatedly that the experience at home is outstanding, and we have to compete with that in some fashion by making sure that we create the same kind of environment in our stadiums and create the same kind of technology."

Then you might want to bribe ATT and Verizon into installing another 5 or 6 cell towers within range. Like clockwork, attending a Seahawks game means going into cell service lockdown.

And no, that does not mean I'm paying $8.99 so I can browse your stadium wireless.
 
2012-07-03 10:14:57 AM

Generation_D: And no, that does not mean I'm paying $8.99 so I can browse your stadium wireless.


I think I don't want to know how many would, though.

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7193836/77836916#c77836916" target="_blank">Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.


And after all that, another $9 so some folks can watch the fantasy football StatTracker all game long.
 
2012-07-03 11:17:55 AM
Poor sad NFL teams who can't sell out a game.

/every seat for 52 years biatches
 
2012-07-03 12:24:23 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.


This is why I'm glad that I went to a preseason game. I paid $75 a ticket for first section end zone seats. Sure, they weren't the fifty yard line but they weren't the nosebleed section. Sadly, they are $95 this year.

Good seats should not be $300.
 
2012-07-03 12:43:43 PM
The NFL finally realized that after years of wages not keeping up with inflation, fans can no longer afford to go deeper into debt just to attend a football game.
 
2012-07-03 12:43:59 PM

TenJed_77: Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.

This is the problem. Not against anybody making money but going to a game has gotten so expensive it's not worth it.


Exactly. Why should I fight the crowds, pay for overpriced parking and food, sit in an uncomfortable seat and use binoculars to see the game when I can sit in my recliner, watch my big screen TV and drink my own beer? Or if I want to be with other fans, go to the bar and watch the game.
 
2012-07-03 12:59:55 PM
Hahahahaha. Billions of dollars in TV rights, and lo and behold, the average fan who cannot spend $6000 per season to sit in nosebleed seats prefers to watch at home.

Oh, and f*ck you, Goodell.
 
2012-07-03 01:14:45 PM

Aarontology: I can't believe it took them this long to figure out that if you want to build interest in a team, not allowing people to watch them play on TV is counterproductive.


The rationale behind local TV blackouts makes no sense to me. If my team isn't on TV, my response will not be to spend several hundred bucks going to see them in person. It will just be to watch a game that is on instead.
 
2012-07-03 01:16:14 PM
I got that 199$ NFL ticket for this season. I literally couldn't buy it at that price!
 
2012-07-03 01:21:03 PM

dustman81: TenJed_77: Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.

This is the problem. Not against anybody making money but going to a game has gotten so expensive it's not worth it.

Exactly. Why should I fight the crowds, pay for overpriced parking and food, sit in an uncomfortable seat and use binoculars to see the game when I can sit in my recliner, watch my big screen TV and drink my own beer? Or if I want to be with other fans, go to the bar and watch the game.


Don't forget the drunken asshats just looking for a fight (so they can spend the game in the farking drunktank).

/Ravens-Steelers for more classy fans than you can shake a stick at. Or a police baton.
//Would never pay for a ticket
 
2012-07-03 01:21:46 PM
I can't tell who has the damn ball when I see football games live.
 
2012-07-03 01:22:27 PM
Home teams now will have the option of selling 85 percent of game tickets to avoid a blackout in their local TV market. Previously, teams had to sell out games or receive an exception from the league for the game to be shown on local TV.

The change comes as league-wide attendance has declined over the past five years, the newspaper said.



i'm basically the poster child for this....giong to the game = 7-8 hours, between driving to the stadium, the game being 3.5, then driving back.

versus DVRing the game, going on media blackout for the first half, watch the first half, skip all dead ball / commercials, burn the first half in approximately 15-20 minutes (if that), skip half time, then catch the game in real time circa late 3rd/early 4th quarter. you watch the entire game wihtout missing a play in maybe one hour.

footbal is cursed with being teh ideal TV sport. TV technologoy, between HD and DVR, is a huge reason fewer fans go to games.
 
2012-07-03 01:25:14 PM
The real deal here is now owners and sponsers only have to snap up 85% of unsold tickets to avoid the blackout instead of the previous 100%. So it saves them money, which is great considering the gate was down something like 4% around the league last year.
 
2012-07-03 01:25:36 PM
dustman81: Exactly. Why should I fight the crowds, pay for overpriced parking and food, sit in an uncomfortable seat and use binoculars to see the game when I can sit in my recliner, watch my big screen TV and drink my own beer? Or if I want to be with other fans, go to the bar and watch the game.

This, plus: with the Dish NFL Package, my friends and I can watch 8 games at once, or concentrate on a good game out of market and see all the ends of games. As Colts fans, we're pretty sure it's going to be a rough season for them, we want to watch Manning in Denver and I'm interested in how Brandon Weeden does in Cleveland. All possible with the Dish NFL Package.

/No, I don't work for Dish's promotions department
//Sorry if it came across that way
 
2012-07-03 01:27:11 PM

born_yesterday: Don't forget the drunken asshats just looking for a fight (so they can spend the game in the farking drunktank).



and the jackfark more invested with his Dungeons and Dragons FF statistics, who spends the entire game staring at his phone.

the most obvious tell for Fantasy farktard is he'll show his phone to his buddy, who then reacts with either "awesome!" or "oh jeeez, that player is killing you this week" body language.


the other guy i hate at games is Frustrated Offensive Coordinator / Defensive Coordinator Guy. After every play he shouts about how THE LEFT GUARD IS COMING OUT TOO EARLY or YOU GOTTA SEE THE STUNT BEFORE IT HAPPENS or THE TIGHT RELEASED TOO EARLY, HE'S GOTTA STAY IN PASS PRO UNTIL THE MIKE COMMITS etc. ON A THREE STEP DROP YOU CAN'T STAY ON YOUR REAR FOOT.

shut up, jesus. nobody cares. you're just being an asshole.
 
2012-07-03 01:29:13 PM

rickythepenguin: the other guy i hate at games is Frustrated Offensive Coordinator / Defensive Coordinator Guy. After every play he shouts about how THE LEFT GUARD IS COMING OUT TOO EARLY or YOU GOTTA SEE THE STUNT BEFORE IT HAPPENS or THE TIGHT RELEASED TOO EARLY, HE'S GOTTA STAY IN PASS PRO UNTIL THE MIKE COMMITS etc. ON A THREE STEP DROP YOU CAN'T STAY ON YOUR REAR FOOT.

shut up, jesus. nobody cares. you're just being an asshole.


A lot of crossover with the Angry Has Been Ex-Jock group there.

"Look at that farking guy, just walking to the sidelines. Lazy bastard. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT, DID YOU PLAY? HUH?"
 
2012-07-03 01:31:34 PM

jake_lex: Aarontology: I can't believe it took them this long to figure out that if you want to build interest in a team, not allowing people to watch them play on TV is counterproductive.

The rationale behind local TV blackouts makes no sense to me. If my team isn't on TV, my response will not be to spend several hundred bucks going to see them in person. It will just be to watch a game that is on instead.


As the article points out, though, that's exactly what used to happen. It used to be that 25-30 percent of games were blacked out. After a couple decades of blackout rules, that number is down to six percent. I think, at this point, the NFL has accepted that no matter how big or good the league is, they're never going to get to 100% attendance. There's always going to be one or two teams with crappy teams and stadiums who won't sell out.

This is actually a really good idea. It helps teams who struggle to regularly sell out, but then punishes them when somebody good comes to town and does give them a sellout.
 
2012-07-03 01:32:06 PM
The change comes as league-wide attendance has declined over the past five years, the newspaper said.

But...but football is the most popular sport in Amurca, evar! Who cares that, if you're in the AFC and not tnamed the Patriots, Steelers, or Colts, you have no shot of making a Super Bowl?* It's popular!

*The last AFC Team not named the Patriots, Steelers, or Colts to make the Super Bowl were the Raiders in 2003. "The AFC is the better conference" my ass.
 
2012-07-03 01:33:24 PM

rickythepenguin: the most obvious tell for Fantasy farktard is he'll show his phone to his buddy, who then reacts with either "awesome!" or "oh jeeez, that player is killing you this week" body language.


What, you think being a fan is a job description or something?
 
2012-07-03 01:33:25 PM

robsul82: A lot of crossover with the Angry Has Been Ex-Jock group there.



absolutely.

i went to a Snakes/A's game once, and Frustrated OC/DC guy became Frustrated Pitching Coach Guy. we were sitting by the fair pole, and these two college-y bro types were calling pitches. "slider?" "no, that looked like a splittie." "ooh, awesome curveball. I think a two seamer." "I thought four."

oh jesus christ. there's no farkign way you can tell from 310 feet down the line at that angle.

DEAR FRUSTRATED EX JOCKS.

SHUT YOUR PIEHOLES AT GAMES.

thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanksabunch.
 
2012-07-03 01:38:27 PM

IlGreven: The change comes as league-wide attendance has declined over the past five years, the newspaper said.

But...but football is the most popular sport in Amurca, evar! Who cares that, if you're in the AFC and not tnamed the Patriots, Steelers, or Colts, you have no shot of making a Super Bowl?* It's popular!

*The last AFC Team not named the Patriots, Steelers, or Colts to make the Super Bowl were the Raiders in 2003. "The AFC is the better conference" my ass.


The AFC can claim the better teams 1-3 but the NFC can maybe claim it has more consistency 1-6.

/And if Schaub didn't go down Houston and NE would have been the AFC title game
//Not predicting they would have won but it would have been damn good
 
2012-07-03 01:40:52 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: /And if Schaub didn't go down Houston and NE would have been the AFC title game



tremendously unfortunate hwo quickly the wheels came off for the Texans. Schaub goes down, and then what, in the second quarter of his first start, Leinart broke his arm?

talk about a record scratch.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:40 PM

dustman81: TenJed_77: Mr. Coffee Nerves: High-speed wireless internet at every stadium?

I'm sure the organization that charges me $25 to park my car and $75 for an upper-deck seat and is trying to kill tailgating so I'm forced to buy $7 burgers and $9 beers is going to provide that wi-fi free of charge.

This is the problem. Not against anybody making money but going to a game has gotten so expensive it's not worth it.

Exactly. Why should I fight the crowds, pay for overpriced parking and food, sit in an uncomfortable seat and use binoculars to see the game when I can sit in my recliner, watch my big screen TV and drink my own beer? Or if I want to be with other fans, go to the bar and watch the game.


To make it even better, once I got a surround sound system for my TV, I discovered that I could unplug just the center speaker and watch the entire game with no commentary. All the stadium sounds remain, but no booth chatter.
 
2012-07-03 01:50:58 PM

NeoCortex42: To make it even better, once I got a surround sound system for my TV, I discovered that I could unplug just the center speaker and watch the entire game with no commentary. All the stadium sounds remain, but no booth chatter.


You can also put the TV on mute and listen to some good music.
 
2012-07-03 01:51:10 PM
Sorry, this new policy is highly unlikely to make any changes in Black Out games for this year.

From the blog: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/new-blackout-rule-unlike ly-to-curb-fan-abuse-lard

"The new policy will allow teams to lower their blackout thresholds to as low as 85% of capacity, which in theory would keep more games on television. Here's the catch, though - the deadline for lowering the threshold is July 15, and there is no turning back. It's not a week-to-week thing; a team can't simply trigger the lower threshold because they're in danger of a single blackout midseason. Once the team drops the blackout figure, it's there for the entire season.

How does this hurt the teams, you ask? There's a penalty - if the Chargers were to drop to the 85% figure, they would have to share a larger portion of their revenues with the rest of the league for every time they sell more than that 85%. Chargers owner Dean Spanos says this is too high a price for the team to consider lowering their blackout threshold, especially since his team plays in an older stadium and lacks naming and signage rights.

Now that we know the catch involved, it seems a lot less likely that any team will choose to lower its blackout figure."

So, local Charger fans will likely still get screwed at least 2 a year.
 
2012-07-03 02:06:12 PM
They will still get blacked out in Tampa, home to the greatest fans on earth.

www.theclevelandfan.com
 
2012-07-03 02:12:42 PM

dustman81: Why should I fight the crowds, pay for overpriced parking and food, sit in an uncomfortable seat and use binoculars to see the game when I can sit in my recliner, watch my big screen TV and drink my own beer? Or if I want to be with other fans, go to the bar and watch the game.


Yup. Here in New Orleans, we have a very fun crowd at the SuperDome. But end result, I just hated the experience. Much more fun at my local bar.
 
2012-07-03 02:19:38 PM

rugman11: As the article points out, though, that's exactly what used to happen. It used to be that 25-30 percent of games were blacked out. After a couple decades of blackout rules, that number is down to six percent. I think, at this point, the NFL has accepted that no matter how big or good the league is, they're never going to get to 100% attendance. There's always going to be one or two teams with crappy teams and stadiums who won't sell out.

This is actually a really good idea. It helps teams who struggle to regularly sell out, but then punishes them when somebody good comes to town and does give them a sellout.


I think its more just coincidence. Sports attendance, in most all sports, has been up dramatically over time. People have more free time and money (recessions not withstanding) for entertainment. Also, football itself has become much more popular over the decades.

People just go to more games, period. It had little to do with the blackouts, IMHO. You're either going to go the game or you're not.
 
2012-07-03 02:21:51 PM
Go Eagles

I've been on the season ticket list for about 5 years now, probably only about 20 to go.
 
2012-07-03 02:35:45 PM

TheManofPA: Go Eagles

I've been on the season ticket list for about 5 years now, probably only about 20 to go.




lol at your waiting list

Packer fan: just broke under 50000 this year.
 
2012-07-03 02:38:16 PM
This is a smart move... Yes, I understand the reasoning behind the blackout thing, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't suck. This still lets them sell a ton of tix before the blackout is lifted, but takes away that ridiculous 'sellout' cap that resulted in people banding together and buying the tix so everyone could watch the 'big' game for said team each season.

Now they just have to fix this stupid "home market" bullshiat. Example: Broncos games will be blacked out in Salt Lake because they are considered the "home market", even though it's something like a 6 hour drive, which is absolutely ludicrous logic...
 
2012-07-03 02:39:37 PM
How in the name of Jesus Lombardi Christ does an NFL stadium not sell out every single game? There's only eight of them a year at any given stadium, ten if you count pre-season.

Last time I checked, football was REALLY INCREDIBLY FARKING POPULAR. Like, the kind of thing you voluntarily massively overpay for. And, with the exception of Green Bay (sold out from here to infinity), it's all in places with enough local population base to fill a stadium for SOMETHING.

I'm not saying I'd shell out $200 for a ticket, which I know is easy to do in the bigger cities. But then I only merely really like football, putting me in about the 3rd percentile of all the guys I know. If NFL teams can't reliably get people in seats for what amounts to Special Reserve Limited Edition Sports Crack, then they're as incompetent as... huh, as they've always looked, now that I think about it. Okay, mystery solved.
 
2012-07-03 02:43:59 PM
I believe this is one of the big reasons Detroit went with a 55,000 seat Ford Field design... it was hard to sell out the 80,000 seat Silverdome every week by Thursday (though it usually still sold out by Sunday, too late to lift the TV blackout).

Weekly blackout machine:

i.imgur.com

Parking was atrocious, and traffic inflow was horrible, even though it is practically just off of I-75, due to the crazy exits and asinine roads.

this, on the other hand:

i.imgur.com

...even in the heart of Detroit, is a stone's throw from Greektown, the casinos, and loads of parking. It's a straight shot from the expressways, and IT'S GOT 25,000 FEWER SEATS!!!!


The idiocy of this rule is evident.... no TV means less fans, which means less fans buying tickets, which leads to more blackouts, which.... you get the picture.
 
2012-07-03 02:44:38 PM
One guy on that message board had a good point "You can't black out the game if your stadium was built with public funds."

JC
 
2012-07-03 02:58:10 PM
They were just waiting for Al Davis to die.

/and waiting...
//and waiting...
 
2012-07-03 02:58:51 PM

Aarontology: I can't believe it took them this long to figure out that if you want to build interest in a team, not allowing people to watch them play on TV is counterproductive.


They don't care what team you root for. They know that you'll (we'll) watch the NFL regardless of who's on.
 
2012-07-03 03:03:31 PM

greenbowlpacker: They will still get blacked out in Tampa, home to the greatest fans on earth.

www.theclevelandfan.com

I always liked that "Bruce the flamboyant hairdresser" logo.

 
2012-07-03 03:07:41 PM
Wow...just maybe home games for the Florida teams will not be blacked out this year. And, the fools that keep buying the Dolphins tickets to lift the blackout..wont have to buy as many.

Good God....there are always more empty seats than fans at SunLife.....there are even empty seats for the Jets and Pats games now
 
2012-07-03 03:18:40 PM

ytterbium: Case study: Chicago Blackhawks.


I was in Jr. High around the Belfour/Roenick/Chelios days and was a Hawks fan. Once they stopped showing the games on TV, I sorta forgot about them for a couple decades.

I'm a fan once again, but since I'm out of market anyway I suppose I would be considered a bandwagon fan. Regardless, once people in Chicago started paying attention again, and the team became competitive again, I took notice out here and follow the team again.
 
2012-07-03 03:23:03 PM

semiotix: How in the name of Jesus Lombardi Christ does an NFL stadium not sell out every single game? There's only eight of them a year at any given stadium, ten if you count pre-season.


Because some teams suck, and its really freaking expensive to attend a game compared to watching it at home with food and drinks you purchased at the grocery.

Also, many fans would rather watch on TV (home or at a bar), as that has become a much better experience all around.

Think of how the replays from many, many different angles have changed the experience of watching the game.

Think of being able to pause the game to take a piss (and not have to wait in a huge line to do so.)

Taking the cost out of the drinks... if you need another beer, you have to leave the game to go the concession stand. That's easy in baseball with 17 inning breaks, and long time-outs for pitching changes. Football, not so much.

I've been to 2 NFL games. The crowd was fun and loud as hell... but otherwise I hated every aspect of the experience.
 
2012-07-03 03:25:13 PM

El Brujo: ytterbium: Case study: Chicago Blackhawks.

I was in Jr. High around the Belfour/Roenick/Chelios days and was a Hawks fan. Once they stopped showing the games on TV, I sorta forgot about them for a couple decades.

I'm a fan once again, but since I'm out of market anyway I suppose I would be considered a bandwagon fan. Regardless, once people in Chicago started paying attention again, and the team became competitive again, I took notice out here and follow the team again.


So much this. I remember having to attend a Blackhawks game in the late 90's or so (girlfriend's company party). Rather depressing. There were like 1,000 fans there. More people just stayed in the concourse and didn't pay one bit of attention to the game.
 
2012-07-03 03:26:30 PM
You want to sell out your stadium? Auction your tickets onine. You give your season ticketholders first shot as usual and then instead of selling them at face value, you sell them in blocks of two via auction. You're going to maximize your income, you'll sell out every game, and occasionally your fans will get some super deals when it's week 15 and you're already eliminated from the playoffs.
 
2012-07-03 03:27:21 PM
I liked going to games when I was a kid, but it was a lot cheaper. I still have ticket stubs from playoff games that were only $30, and that was the early 90's.

I looked at going to the Chargers@Seahawks game in 2010 and the cheapest seat was over $120 for a regular season game. I don't think many things other than gas have inflated that much. Hell, the train ticket round trip from PDX to Seattle was less than the game ticket.
 
2012-07-03 03:31:04 PM

downstairs: El Brujo: ytterbium: Case study: Chicago Blackhawks.

I was in Jr. High around the Belfour/Roenick/Chelios days and was a Hawks fan. Once they stopped showing the games on TV, I sorta forgot about them for a couple decades.

I'm a fan once again, but since I'm out of market anyway I suppose I would be considered a bandwagon fan. Regardless, once people in Chicago started paying attention again, and the team became competitive again, I took notice out here and follow the team again.

So much this. I remember having to attend a Blackhawks game in the late 90's or so (girlfriend's company party). Rather depressing. There were like 1,000 fans there. More people just stayed in the concourse and didn't pay one bit of attention to the game.


Jesus...1,000? Terrible.
 
rka
2012-07-03 03:34:41 PM

semiotix: How in the name of Jesus Lombardi Christ does an NFL stadium not sell out every single game?


Because, other than the masochists that watch the Toronto Maple Leafs, people really aren't that big of fans of crappy teams. No matter what they say about "being there in the lean times".

They can sell out hockey in the Sun Belt if they just put a competitive product on the ice. Conversely, even great football teams will see a drop in fans when they suck for 10-15 years in a row.
 
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