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2012-07-03 01:37:28 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?

Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?


How about this:
-Mormons baptized a bunch of dead Jews.
-Jews catch wind of all the baptizin', politely ask that the Church cut it out.
-Mormons say they'll stop the posthumous baptizing in 1995. And again in the mid-2000s. And again in 2008. And again in 2012.
-Jews again get het up about the posthumous baptizin'.

And the rest of you wonder what the problem is? If I ask you to not do something, yet you insist on doing it, then you tell me you've taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again, and yet it still happens - what then? Do I just have to grin and bear it because you're not physically hurting anyone?

The LDS Church is being dicks, either willfully or accidentally. Not against the law, but there's certainly no reason to be silent about it.
 
2012-07-03 01:37:55 PM

Silly Jesus: Religion is not something to be respected. It is the source of a great deal of suffering in this world and I do not hold it in a special regard whatsoever. Why should I respect someone's right to cause such harm?


You could have saved us a lot of typing if you had simply lead off with this statement.
 
2012-07-03 01:38:26 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?

I explained it. It's not pleasant if one were to want to visit the grave site.

Sorry why would you visit those bones again?

So if I clean it up I can shiat all over it? With lot's of squirts all over the grave stone?


It's a logical place for family to gather...as would be an old home site, or an old favorite park etc. Nothing spiritual required.

Sure, do all you want, as long as it isn't unpleasant / unsanitary when I get there.

/You're starting to make me thing that you've got some sort of pooping fetish.
 
2012-07-03 01:39:36 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?

Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?

Because it belittles their beliefs they had while they were alive.


Their beliefs killed people. Screw em.

Would you be concerned with belittling the beliefs of a KKK member?
 
2012-07-03 01:39:56 PM
www.latimes.com

"Relax, f*ckers. He's going to Israel because I told him to go to Israel. Anyone got a problem with that? I need a president that's going to make sure we don't waste any Israeli lives dealing with whoever we think might be threatening us. For $100 million, I expect American troops at the disposal of the Israeli government. Jewish lives are too valuable to waste on dealing with some pissant dictatorship like Iran."
 
2012-07-03 01:40:11 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?

I explained it. It's not pleasant if one were to want to visit the grave site.

Ok I'll just piss on it! It will make the grass greener. Then I can send it out as my Christmas card.


You're strange.
 
2012-07-03 01:41:15 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

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That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?

What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?

Well aren't you saying these people shouldn't be offended because YOU think it's stupid?

Why does it work for you but not for anyone else? That the argument YOU are making I just turned it around on you and now you are saying it's not a valid argument.


My opinion is reality based. Theirs isn't.
 
2012-07-03 01:43:45 PM
I can't say I would care if it were done to my dead relatives, though I'm not certain how I'd feel if they started getting listed as "Mormon" or whatever.

I'm quite certain that those with stronger religious beliefs than I may have some serious problems with it. Perhaps empathy isn't Silly Jesus's strong suit.


/Regardless, if he goes through with it how can it not torpedo his political campaign?
 
2012-07-03 01:44:16 PM

liam76: Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?

WTF? That's a rational leap to you?

Yes it is.

Black people were killed and threatened with being hung. The effigy being hung doesn't physically hurt anyone.

Jews were were killed over and threatened for their religion and not being baptised. The posthmous baptism doesn't actually hurt anyone.

if you have a problem with one symbolic act that brings up a "painful" part of history you hsould have a problem with the other.


So hanging an effigy on a noose in a public place, which has traditionally been seen as a threat of eminent violence / death, is the same as someone thousands of miles away saying some sort of prayer nonsense about a stranger?
 
2012-07-03 01:45:15 PM
ox45tallboy   : You forgot the part where he demands that they release that good little innocent Jonathan Pollard, whose only crime was to be CURIOUS!
 
2012-07-03 01:46:34 PM

DeltaPunch: It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...


or maybe some of us think that it's not cool to shiat all over someone else's beliefs solely to forward your own political agenda
 
2012-07-03 01:47:37 PM
Because practically everyone here seems unclear on the doctrine, to reiterate, Mormons baptize for the dead, by proxy. The baptized dead are NOT considered members of the church; they're only tallied as having had the ordinance done for them. Mormons believe that baptism by authority is necessary for salvation. Baptism is a physical ordinance (a body in the water, etc.). It follows, then, that those who died without the opportunity to be baptized will either never have the opportunity for salvation, or must have the ordinance done for them by proxy here on earth. IMO, it's much more "fair" to offer the opportunity for acceptance than say that the dead are damned forever because they just missed out on the chance while they were alive, died as an infant, etc., so sorry, so sad, like some faiths do. So, you can disbelieve the doctrine all you want, but you can't claim the Mormon's aren't trying to be fair about it.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:13 PM
What we need now is a group to posthumously convert Mormons to Islam.
You could even graph it in realtime, like a race.
So as the Mormons are patting themselves on the backs for having added a few thousand more souls to their roster they'll turn their heads to see Islam coming up from behind.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:16 PM
When Mormons die, they get their own planet.

After being trapped in that attic for five years, I'm sure Helen Keller appreciates the elbow room.
 
2012-07-03 01:48:48 PM

Akambe: but you can't claim the Mormon's aren't trying to be fair about it.


So is that why they're making such a public deal about it? Just trying to save those souls?
 
2012-07-03 01:48:56 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

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That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?

What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?

Are you so stupid you don't understand my argument is being made rhetorically?

I don't ACTUALLY believe people should be able to crap on other people's graves!! I am just using the same arguments you are using, so when you say my argument is stupid you are saying your own argument is stupid.

YOU believing people shouldn't get offended is YOU saying that other people should all obey YOUR opinion.


Is it your view that all instances of people being offended are valid? Or, is there a sliding scale of legitimacy for "I'm offended" claims?

I'm offended that you put a burning cross in my yard and a noose on my mailbox.
VS.
I'm offended that you wore two different patterns of plaid today.

One of those is rational, the other is completely absurd. But everyone's opinions are equally valid, right?
 
2012-07-03 01:50:39 PM

Silly Jesus: RexTalionis:
But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?


Well, I can, but that's just because I paid attention in Necromancy class and didn't spend all my time trying to get that cheerleader who sat in front of me out on a date, unlike some I can name who used to have to let queer old Professor Whipley go down on them to get their exam marks moved up to a D-.
 
2012-07-03 01:51:05 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Lol. It's a natural gathering place for family to come together and share memories on the anniversary of a death or their birthday etc. That doesn't mean that there's a spiritual element to it. A seance isn't held.

What? Why waste gas? What "magic" do you think grave sites hold?

So can I piss on her grave? You still haven't answered. I'll get like 10 guys to do it. It will make the grass all nice and green.


I guess we could have a family gathering over the phone...that would save lots of gas. All these crazy folks flying out family reunions and such.

Sure, you and your boyfriends go practice your pissing / pooping fetish all you want.
 
2012-07-03 01:52:24 PM

Porous Horace: What we need now is a group to posthumously convert Mormons to Islam.
You could even graph it in realtime, like a race.
So as the Mormons are patting themselves on the backs for having added a few thousand more souls to their roster they'll turn their heads to see Islam coming up from behind.


Behind? there are already far more muslims, alive or dead, than mormons both alive and dead.


Silly Jesus: Is it your view that all instances of people being offended are valid? Or, is there a sliding scale of legitimacy for "I'm offended" claims?


To be fair, it isn't as if you can demonstrate unequivocally that what the Mormons or Jews believe is false. If you think you can, you aren't half as clever as you'd like to think you are.

Your argument sort of sounds like a kindergarten teacher justifying why they they teach their entire class that Santa isn't real the day before winter break. "I'm supposed to be teaching them truth!"
 
2012-07-03 01:52:40 PM

Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?

WTF? That's a rational leap to you?

Yes it is.

Black people were killed and threatened with being hung. The effigy being hung doesn't physically hurt anyone.

Jews were were killed over and threatened for their religion and not being baptised. The posthmous baptism doesn't actually hurt anyone.

if you have a problem with one symbolic act that brings up a "painful" part of history you hsould have a problem with the other.

So hanging an effigy on a noose in a public place, which has traditionally been seen as a threat of eminent violence / death, is the same as someone thousands of miles away saying some sort of prayer nonsense about a stranger?


Where did I say public place?

If a group of people kept an effigy of MLK hung up and pictures slipped out people would be understandably upset (especially if after it came public they promised to stop, then promised again and kept doing it).

As far as "prayer nonsense" it is great that you are so above religion you can feel that way, but many people have been killed for not accepting that baptism and have been forcibly baptised so it is as much "nonsense" as hanging an effigy.

Neither physically hurts anyone but both are symbolic acts related with past violence and opression.
 
2012-07-03 01:52:48 PM

DeltaPunch: Silly Jesus: DeltaPunch: Silly Jesus: Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...

Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

It's like if we were walking down the sidewalk together and happened upon a schizophrenic guy screaming random nonsense and I said "WTF?" and you said, "I know, but can't you at least sort of see where he's coming from?"

I don't think it's like that at all. You don't have to be religious to understand the importance of religion to others. I mean, take that absolutely unshakable faith you have that God doesn't exist and try to imagine how someone can believe that God DOES exist with that same unshakeable faith. Not having the same empathic connection with a certain subject doesn't preclude one from understanding arguments founded on that subject; it simply prevents you from believing in it the same way.


But all opinions are not equally valid.
 
2012-07-03 01:55:47 PM

Dr Dreidel: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?

Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?

How about this:
-Mormons baptized a bunch of dead Jews.
-Jews catch wind of all the baptizin', politely ask that the Church cut it out.
-Mormons say they'll stop the posthumous baptizing in 1995. And again in the mid-2000s. And again in 2008. And again in 2012.
-Jews again get het up about the posthumous baptizin'.

And the rest of you wonder what the problem is? If I ask you to not do something, yet you insist on doing it, then you tell me you've taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again, and yet it still happens - what then? Do I just have to grin and bear it because you're not physically hurting anyone?

The LDS Church is being dicks, either willfully or accidentally. Not against the law, but there's certainly no reason to be silent about it.


But there's a sliding scale of the legitimacy of such a complaint. If the Mormons kept going up to Jews and poking them in the arm and repeatedly promising to quit...that situation would be completely different from the Mormons doing what amounts to *thinking* about the Jews and promising to quit thinking about them. WTF? Grow up. Both of you.
 
2012-07-03 01:58:07 PM

jakomo002: ox45tallboy   : You forgot the part where he demands that they release that good little innocent Jonathan Pollard, whose only crime was to be CURIOUS!


www.businesspundit.com

"You think I give two sh*ts about that kid? He was a soldier. He got caught. Big f*cking deal. He makes for a nice bargaining chip, though, right? As long as the U.S. thinks they got one over on Israel, they'll feel all smug and superior and not realize WE OWN THIS F*CKING COUNTRY!"
 
2012-07-03 01:58:09 PM

Silly Jesus: But there's a sliding scale of the legitimacy of such a complaint. If the Mormons kept going up to Jews and poking them in the arm and repeatedly promising to quit...that situation would be completely different from the Mormons doing what amounts to *thinking* about the Jews and promising to quit thinking about them. WTF? Grow up. Both of you.


Thus showing Silly Jesus's complete lack of regard for the realities of the world political sphere.

Is this some sort of elaborate pro-Mormon astroturf?
 
2012-07-03 01:58:55 PM

Akambe: MO, it's much more "fair" to offer the opportunity for acceptance than say that the dead are damned forever because they just missed out on the chance while they were alive, died as an infant, etc., so sorry, so sad, like some faiths do.


how about you just leave your crazy to yourself?

i won't get mine on you if you keep yours where it belongs.
 
2012-07-03 01:59:04 PM

Voiceofreason01: DeltaPunch: It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...

or maybe some of us think that it's not cool to shiat all over someone else's beliefs solely to forward your own political agenda


upload.wikimedia.org

That bastard, shiatting all over all of those slave holders beliefs for his own political gain!


- All beliefs / opinions are equally valid and should be respected, amiright?
 
2012-07-03 01:59:10 PM
Don't forget Hitler. They baptized Hitler, too.
 
2012-07-03 02:00:20 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Minimum contact with the Jewish guy. Must prevent peener circumcision. Step One: Intercept circumcising hand. Step Two: Pretend to shake hands. Step Three: Inventory shake hand and see if any finger tips are gone.
 
2012-07-03 02:00:33 PM
Romney, an Eye on Campaign, Plans a Trip to Israel

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You'll need plenty of this, Mitt
 
2012-07-03 02:02:05 PM
Silly Jesus: "Street corner preachers scream at random people that they'll pray for them. Do you get deeply offended by that too?"

Praying for someone is different than compiling a database of lies, suggesting that everyone who passed you on that corner believed what you believed and then using that database to further market your nonsense, claim validation of it and indoctrinate new members into your alternate history.

In the end, we're all dust and we can't control what others say. But to use that logic to imply that people *shouldn't care* when others lie about your family to defend and justify things that your family would have disagreed with in the strongest of terms, is to deliberately mis-understand the human condition.
 
2012-07-03 02:02:43 PM

Akambe: Because practically everyone here seems unclear on the doctrine, to reiterate, Mormons baptize for the dead, by proxy. The baptized dead are NOT considered members of the church; they're only tallied as having had the ordinance done for them.


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Yeah, you can totally see how it says "by proxy" there. And it even says "Baptism done for" rather than "Baptized". Anyone who gets upset about this, like the Jews, is clearly just racist against the Mormons.
 
2012-07-03 02:03:11 PM

ringersol: deliberately mis-understand


i think that's kinda the goal.
 
2012-07-03 02:04:11 PM

Silly Jesus: But all opinions are not equally valid.


www.nationofchange.org

"No sh*t. You goyim sit there, all wrapped up in your Christianity, doing exactly what you're told. You fight our battles and keep our people protected, all thinking we have this kind of 'alliance' going on. Guess what? You're still f*cking goyim. That's all you'll ever be. You like to pretend you're as good as us, but you exist to serve us. Think about that the next time you go to war in the middle east, and how much of a struggle it is just to get Israel to let you launch the attack from inside its borders. Israel is doing you a f*cking favor by letting you die in its service. And you don't even realize it.".
 
2012-07-03 02:04:31 PM
www.salamandersociety.com
Crikey!
 
2012-07-03 02:04:41 PM
I don't quite understand allt he "Why should anyone care?" arguments. Even from Atheists

It's sort of the reason Pat Tillman's brother got frustrated when everyone was touting how Tillman was a GREAT AMERICAN CHRISTIAN HERO, when he was, in fact, an atheist (and some atheists also were unhappy about that, as I recall).

Or why people might get upset at the Westboro baptist church screaming that person X is IN HAAEEELLLL at a person's funeral, even if they don't believe that person is in hell (or don't even believe in heaven or hell or any sort of afterlife).
 
2012-07-03 02:04:47 PM

Theaetetus: Akambe: Because practically everyone here seems unclear on the doctrine, to reiterate, Mormons baptize for the dead, by proxy. The baptized dead are NOT considered members of the church; they're only tallied as having had the ordinance done for them.

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Yeah, you can totally see how it says "by proxy" there. And it even says "Baptism done for" rather than "Baptized". Anyone who gets upset about this, like the Jews, is clearly just racist against the Mormons.



My sky-god can fart louder than your sky-god!
 
2012-07-03 02:06:44 PM
wonkette.com
I think this one means that Fartbongo is Mormon, so Sarah Palin gets to return to govern Alaska.
 
2012-07-03 02:07:53 PM

Silly Jesus: Dr Dreidel: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?

Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?

How about this:
-Mormons baptized a bunch of dead Jews.
-Jews catch wind of all the baptizin', politely ask that the Church cut it out.
-Mormons say they'll stop the posthumous baptizing in 1995. And again in the mid-2000s. And again in 2008. And again in 2012.
-Jews again get het up about the posthumous baptizin'.

And the rest of you wonder what the problem is? If I ask you to not do something, yet you insist on doing it, then you tell me you've taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again, and yet it still happens - what then? Do I just have to grin and bear it because you're not physically hurting anyone?

The LDS Church is being dicks, either willfully or accidentally. Not against the law, but there's certainly no reason to be silent about it.

But there's a sliding scale of the legitimacy of such a complaint. If the Mormons kept going up to Jews and poking them in the arm and repeatedly promising to quit...that situation would be completely different from the Mormons doing what amounts to *thinking* about the Jews and promising to quit thinking about them. WTF? Grow up. Both of you.


It's one religion "I'm not touchiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing yoooooooooooooou" another. They may both need to grow up, but the fact remains that the LDS Church could end this mishuga'as now if they wanted (and as they agreed to at least 3 separate times).

Sure, the Jews could ignore it, but the fact that it's now a more open "secret" than Anderson Cooper's sexuality kinda makes that hard. Mormons should not be allowed to co-opt (essentially trading on the names/reputations of) Anne Frank, Stanley Ann Dunham, George Washington and millions of others less famous, at their own will. Private citizens are private citizens.

If freedom of religion means anything, it's the freedom to worship as you please - freedom of conscience, as Ben Franklin put it. Baptising someone else who can't choose not to be baptised is usurping their freedom to choose.
 
2012-07-03 02:08:28 PM
Romney going to Israel is a wonderful idea.

If he survives, I hope that he stays.

Maybe sixteen years, but that's between him and the Israeli legal system.
 
2012-07-03 02:09:11 PM

ph0rk: To be fair, it isn't as if you can demonstrate unequivocally that what the Mormons or Jews believe is false. If you think you can, you aren't half as clever as you'd like to think you are.


www.atheistmemebase.com
 
2012-07-03 02:09:31 PM

Dr Dreidel: Baptising someone else who can't choose not to be baptised is usurping their freedom to choose.


i agree, but you have to admit that's the case for a vast swath of them. kinda hard to let anybody know your choice in the matter when you can't even talk yet.
 
2012-07-03 02:10:29 PM
I actually died in April and was baptized in May so am really getting a kick out of all this. When I as granted access to the database I was told that even looking up certain names (i.e. holocaust victims or other names of notoriety) that have nothing to do with my own family line could lead to my being barred from using the database unsupervised or even could lead to dis-fellowship if the meddling was deemed serious enough. That being said, some times a name will slip through that shouldn't, in such cases the ordinances have been deemed null and removed from the records. Actions are being taken, the only people who are being baptized posthumously at this point should be people with whom have an active member in the church doing their family history and are actively submitting the names for the ordinances.
 
2012-07-03 02:12:13 PM
Silly Jesus PluckYew: Silly Jesus: heap: Silly Jesus:
on a side note..a technical question..how do you link to a certain spot in the video as you did?


Add #t= to the end then put where you want the video to start, in this case 2m57s so you add #t=2m57s to the end of the original YouTube video.
 
2012-07-03 02:13:15 PM

Silly Jesus: heap: Silly Jesus: So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?

i didn't say it was the same, i said they were both dick moves.

kinda like punching a dwarf and shiatting in a mailbox are both dick moves - that doesn't mean dwarf punching and mailbox shiatting are the same thing.

Ok. Tonight I am going to baptize a Farker in the name of FSM, peace be upon him. I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans. I hope that Mr./Mrs. random Farker doesn't think that I'm a dick tomorrow.


If they do, just shiat in their mailbox and punch their shortest child.
 
2012-07-03 02:13:37 PM

Silly Jesus: ph0rk: To be fair, it isn't as if you can demonstrate unequivocally that what the Mormons or Jews believe is false. If you think you can, you aren't half as clever as you'd like to think you are.

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Odd that you claim to be a big fan of Christopher Hitchens, and follow his reasoning when it comes to religion (or at least appera to from repeated copy/paste of his comments), yet on this the only religious reaction you seem to have a problem with is that of the jews.
 
2012-07-03 02:15:12 PM
Theaetetus - if your reading comprehension is so limited that you can't figure out someone who died in 1995 and was baptized in 2008 wasn't done by proxy there really isn't anything anyone can do to help you. :-(
 
2012-07-03 02:15:22 PM

Sticky Hands: BunkoSquad: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

It lays the groundwork for 100 years from now, teaching kids that 6 million Mormons died for their faith.

That only works if the vast majority of non-mormon records are destroyed.... In which case they could just say it and no one would know any better.


Even with mountains of evidence and survivors who are still alive, we already have a loud minority who thinks what really happened in Europe in the '40s didn't really happen. Add 100 years, remove any witnesses or children of witnesses, throw in an organization dedicated to pushing their own version at all costs...not saying it will definitely happen, but I'm definitely worried.
 
2012-07-03 02:15:23 PM

heap: Dr Dreidel: Baptising someone else who can't choose not to be baptised is usurping their freedom to choose.

i agree, but you have to admit that's the case for a vast swath of them. kinda hard to let anybody know your choice in the matter when you can't even talk yet.


And who is empowered to make decisions (in areas of healthcare, religion, child-rearing, education - which sometimes overlap - and just about everything else, too) for their kids? Some asshole with a database in Provo? Does the LDS posthumously get to make my granddad Mexican? Do they get to undo his service record?

I just want to know what the extent is of metaphysical "damage" one group can do to another before they've run afoul of some arbitrary standard.

// my standard: if they're not (and were never) part of your group, leave them the fark alone
 
2012-07-03 02:16:23 PM

OhLuverly: That being said, some times a name will slip through that shouldn't, in such cases the ordinances have been deemed null and removed from the records.


That makes no sense and seems to be hypocritical. If the Mormon church truly believes that they're merely offering the opportunity for salvation in the afterlife, then why would they ever remove ordinances from the records? First of all, they've been performed, so theoretically the dead soul has been asked, so it's a matter of historical fact, right? Second of all, if you believe you're saving someone from eternal hell, then wouldn't you feel your actions were entirely justified, and why would you ever retract them?

No, the very fact that the Mormons are retracting them when people complain means that they're acknowledging that it's purely politics and has nothing to do with their beliefs of salvation.
It's much the same as when the Mormons stopped engaging in bigamy so that Utah could become a state, while at the same time retaining the concept of celestial plural marriages. Pure politics.
 
2012-07-03 02:17:17 PM
FTA: "For Mr. Romney, the trip is an opportunity to appeal both to Jewish voters and donors, whose overwhelming support of President Obama has softened"


Obama has failed to kiss ass as promised, and Xrael and her supporters want him OUT of the White House.

Mitt has to prove his fealty to the Xhosen State in order to receive the support of the, pundits, editors, political analysts, news directors and other assorted "experts" that will choose the next president of the United States for us.


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