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2012-07-03 01:01:48 PM

Generation_D: Sounds like epic train wreck of religious fail. Except watch them forget his mormonness since they already are so butthurt over Obama's islamicness.


Not just that: Imagine if the Ayatollah's in Iran decided Brigham Young's been posthumously converted to Islam and given a muslim name. You don't think the Mormons would be hella-pissed about somebody converting him?
 
2012-07-03 01:02:11 PM

DeltaPunch: Silly Jesus: Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...


It can create uneasiness.

/And don't him Shirley
 
2012-07-03 01:02:42 PM

Silly Jesus: Cool. so where is your grandma's grave since you don't mind me and others crapping on it? Um, I said it was a BAD analogy.


Why is it? Aren't they dead? Do dead people care more about crap on their grave then these ceremonies?

Are you saying dead people know when people crap on their graves magically?
 
2012-07-03 01:02:44 PM

serpent_sky: Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It's just... rude, I guess is the only way I can explain it. The dead obviously don't care, but by and large as a culture, we have respect for the dead.

My mother was Catholic. I have a more agnostic way of looking at things. If I found out some Mormons (or anyone) who didn't even know her were performing their own religious rituals on her behalf, I'd be pissed as hell.at them. Not because I believe in anything in particular, or believe that they have power, but because my mother DID have her beliefs and who are they to decide she was somehow wrong or needed them to intervene on her behalf after she died?

I can't even imagine having this done to a relative if someone were a devout follower of the faith of the deceased as well. Like I said, it's just rude.


Exactly: rude indeed. It's presumptuous for someone to assume that being roped into their religion is what the deceased would have wished for. If we're going to be stuck with sky wizards, keep 'em opt-in, please, not opt-out.
 
2012-07-03 01:02:49 PM

DeltaPunch: Silly Jesus: Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...


Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

It's like if we were walking down the sidewalk together and happened upon a schizophrenic guy screaming random nonsense and I said "WTF?" and you said, "I know, but can't you at least sort of see where he's coming from?"
 
2012-07-03 01:03:10 PM

Silly Jesus: My belief is that upon death you start decaying back into dirt. No soul floating around. No hocus pocus associated with the body / bones. It's just a sack of cells waiting to compost


They believe differently, and as such aren't pleased as this is personally offensive to their beliefs. If you do not share either of those faiths, it might seem odd. So it goes for every religion.
 
2012-07-03 01:03:18 PM

Famous Thamas: For me it isn't so much that they perform some silly rite for a dead person. The issue I have with it, is they then claim that person is a member of the church.

Benjamin Franklin? Well he was a member of the Mormon church, it says right there in our records! Same with George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Pauly Shore.

It reminds me of the spin that gets put on history over the course of time. You know "Benjamin Franklin - First Fireman".


Just because offended people SAY that's what they are doing doesn't mean that IS what they are doing.

They claim the "work" has been done for the person, they do not count the deceased as a convert.
 
2012-07-03 01:03:21 PM
So he's going to the Middle East to give some speeches in the run up to the election? Hey, whatever works.
 
2012-07-03 01:03:31 PM

Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.


So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?
 
2012-07-03 01:04:24 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x338]

That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.


I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?
 
2012-07-03 01:04:57 PM

Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.


Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?
 
2012-07-03 01:05:03 PM
Wait, we are missing the real controversy. Mitt is going abroad while just a candidate, taking secret service along with him. This will surely cost the American tax payer 200 million dollars a day! Where is the outrage?
 
2012-07-03 01:06:05 PM

Silly Jesus: heap: Silly Jesus: So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?

i didn't say it was the same, i said they were both dick moves.

kinda like punching a dwarf and shiatting in a mailbox are both dick moves - that doesn't mean dwarf punching and mailbox shiatting are the same thing.

Ok. Tonight I am going to baptize a Farker in the name of FSM, peace be upon him. I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans. I hope that Mr./Mrs. random Farker doesn't think that I'm a dick tomorrow.


It's been done
May contain NSFW language
 
2012-07-03 01:06:26 PM

Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

No, but it's not just about the dead is it? What if I decided to dig up your dead relatives and start using them in my art installation? That might be a bit distressing to your family and friends, perhaps?

Personally, and honestly, that really wouldn't bother me. My belief is that upon death you start decaying back into dirt. No soul floating around. No hocus pocus associated with the body / bones. It's just a sack of cells waiting to compost.

I can, however, see more easily how someone else would have a problem with that. Are the Mormons using Jewish skeletons in art installations?


It's actually more that the Mormons are using this to claim Mormons were targeted in the Holocaust.
 
2012-07-03 01:06:35 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

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That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?


What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?
 
2012-07-03 01:06:38 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?


For purely practical reasons. If someone wanted to visit the grave and there was a turd there, that might be unpleasant. I don't think that the dead person would care though, and I, as the visitor, wouldn't think that the turd tarnished the sack of bones in the ground somehow.
 
2012-07-03 01:06:56 PM
So, not to take away from the enlightenment here, but Mormons hope to baptise the world. EVERYONE.

So they are not just doing this for Jews, thats just the group that got all butthurt about it. The Mormons believe they must do this for all people (even Nazi's and Taliban) they are not doing it for the Jews to pick on them, or to belong to some club of people who have died for their religion. Technically they already belong to that club.

Mormons believe that baptism for the dead allows them the oportunity to accept or deny the ordinance in the afterlife. They beleive offering the dead this choice is a mission of the church.

/not Mormon, just grew up in Utah.
 
2012-07-03 01:07:04 PM

Generation_D: Sounds like epic train wreck of religious fail. Except watch them forget his mormonness since they already are so butthurt over Obama's islamicness.


they just want his assurance that he will attack Iran for them.
 
2012-07-03 01:07:27 PM

Chewb1zz: Wait, we are missing the real controversy. Mitt is going abroad while just a candidate, taking secret service along with him. This will surely cost the American tax payer 200 million dollars a day! Where is the outrage?


Things that everyone does is only offensive when it is Obama.
 
2012-07-03 01:08:05 PM
Please do that, Mitt. I waill have my popcorn ready.
 
2012-07-03 01:08:23 PM

liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?


WTF? That's a rational leap to you?
 
2012-07-03 01:09:03 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?

For purely practical reasons. If someone wanted to visit the grave and there was a turd there, that might be unpleasant. I don't think that the dead person would care though, and I, as the visitor, wouldn't think that the turd tarnished the sack of bones in the ground somehow.


Why would you visit her grave? I thought you were an atheist. Why would you visit bones? Why should you care?

So then why would you care? There are turds in the park, why not on a grave? You still haven't explained.
 
2012-07-03 01:09:40 PM
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2012-07-03 01:11:33 PM

Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?

WTF? That's a rational leap to you?


It is, if your not intolerant to religious sensibilities. It's similar.

You are making a mockery of something held important to a person.
 
2012-07-03 01:12:41 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?

For purely practical reasons. If someone wanted to visit the grave and there was a turd there, that might be unpleasant. I don't think that the dead person would care though, and I, as the visitor, wouldn't think that the turd tarnished the sack of bones in the ground somehow.


So then I can poop all over her grave as long as I clean it up?
 
2012-07-03 01:12:46 PM
Really shows your faith in the one true god when you're worried about other gods.
 
2012-07-03 01:12:51 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?


Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?
 
2012-07-03 01:14:02 PM

PonceAlyosha: Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

No, but it's not just about the dead is it? What if I decided to dig up your dead relatives and start using them in my art installation? That might be a bit distressing to your family and friends, perhaps?

Personally, and honestly, that really wouldn't bother me. My belief is that upon death you start decaying back into dirt. No soul floating around. No hocus pocus associated with the body / bones. It's just a sack of cells waiting to compost.

I can, however, see more easily how someone else would have a problem with that. Are the Mormons using Jewish skeletons in art installations?

It's actually more that the Mormons are using this to claim Mormons were targeted in the Holocaust.


Citation needed.

Mormons have a very nice history of real and imagined persecution right here in the USof A. Even though it happened so long ago that no one alive knew any alive that knew anyone from that time they WON'T farkING SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

They don't need the Holocaust, and even if they were going to use it, the Nazis killed some 12 million people, it's very likely they snagged a pack of Mormons or two.
 
2012-07-03 01:14:05 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?


I explained it. It's not pleasant if one were to want to visit the grave site.
 
2012-07-03 01:14:47 PM
FWIW, the LDS church has very explicitly come out against the above-described baptisms. When it happens, it's rogue members who are initiating it. Can't judge a whole religion by what a couple of bad actors do.
 
2012-07-03 01:15:34 PM
I like the guy with the website that will posthumously gay marry Mormons.
 
2012-07-03 01:16:05 PM
FTFA: "Mr. Romney, who has pledged to "do the opposite" of the Obama administration on matters pertaining to Israel"

So, by "do the opposite" are we to presume that "President" Romney would tell Israel to gtfo of the West Bank, return the Golan Heights to Syria, cut off economic and military support, and tell them he is recognizing the State of Palestine?

Because that's what "doing the opposite" means in plain English.
 
2012-07-03 01:16:36 PM
Silly Jesus, trolls are for kicks. or something.

+1 for getting the entire thread to feed you. impressive.
 
2012-07-03 01:16:49 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?

I explained it. It's not pleasant if one were to want to visit the grave site.


Sorry why would you visit those bones again?

So if I clean it up I can shiat all over it? With lot's of squirts all over the grave stone?
 
2012-07-03 01:18:00 PM

PluckYew: Silly Jesus: heap: Silly Jesus: So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?

i didn't say it was the same, i said they were both dick moves.

kinda like punching a dwarf and shiatting in a mailbox are both dick moves - that doesn't mean dwarf punching and mailbox shiatting are the same thing.

Ok. Tonight I am going to baptize a Farker in the name of FSM, peace be upon him. I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans. I hope that Mr./Mrs. random Farker doesn't think that I'm a dick tomorrow.

It's been done
May contain NSFW language


Ha! Loved it.

on a side note..a technical question..how do you link to a certain spot in the video as you did?
 
2012-07-03 01:18:27 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

So you have no problem wit a christian group putting big crosses on every dead atheists grave?

Personally, no. It's be no different from me putting meatballs on all of their graves. What does it change?


Because it belittles their beliefs they had while they were alive.
 
2012-07-03 01:19:50 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x338]

That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?

What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?

 
2012-07-03 01:20:29 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

Then why exactly would you be against someone crapping on someones grave then?

You just said "so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family" so why can't I crap on your grandmas grave?

I explained it. It's not pleasant if one were to want to visit the grave site.


Ok I'll just piss on it! It will make the grass greener. Then I can send it out as my Christmas card.
 
2012-07-03 01:21:49 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x338]

That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?

What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?


Well aren't you saying these people shouldn't be offended because YOU think it's stupid?

Why does it work for you but not for anyone else? That the argument YOU are making I just turned it around on you and now you are saying it's not a valid argument.
 
2012-07-03 01:24:22 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?

For purely practical reasons. If someone wanted to visit the grave and there was a turd there, that might be unpleasant. I don't think that the dead person would care though, and I, as the visitor, wouldn't think that the turd tarnished the sack of bones in the ground somehow.

Why would you visit her grave? I thought you were an atheist. Why would you visit bones? Why should you care?

So then why would you care? There are turds in the park, why not on a grave? You still haven't explained.


Lol. It's a natural gathering place for family to come together and share memories on the anniversary of a death or their birthday etc. That doesn't mean that there's a spiritual element to it. A seance isn't held.

There are human turds already spread around most parks? Where the fark do you live? It isn't rational to not want a family gathering around a pile of turds?
 
2012-07-03 01:24:37 PM

Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?

WTF? That's a rational leap to you?


Yes it is.

Black people were killed and threatened with being hung. The effigy being hung doesn't physically hurt anyone.

Jews were were killed over and threatened for their religion and not being baptised. The posthmous baptism doesn't actually hurt anyone.

if you have a problem with one symbolic act that brings up a "painful" part of history you hsould have a problem with the other.
 
2012-07-03 01:24:52 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 450x338]

That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.

I'm offended by air. Don't you dare think I'm nuts though. All opinions are equally valid. Amiright?

What are you saying? Do you even listen to what you are saying?

All opinions are not equally valid. But people are offended by different reasons.

I think it's stupid you get offended by me crapping on your grandma grave. So you shouldn't get offended for me doing it right?


Are you so stupid you don't understand my argument is being made rhetorically?

I don't ACTUALLY believe people should be able to crap on other people's graves!! I am just using the same arguments you are using, so when you say my argument is stupid you are saying your own argument is stupid.

YOU believing people shouldn't get offended is YOU saying that other people should all obey YOUR opinion.
 
2012-07-03 01:26:27 PM

Silly Jesus: Lol. It's a natural gathering place for family to come together and share memories on the anniversary of a death or their birthday etc. That doesn't mean that there's a spiritual element to it. A seance isn't held.


What? Why waste gas? What "magic" do you think grave sites hold?

So can I piss on her grave? You still haven't answered. I'll get like 10 guys to do it. It will make the grass all nice and green.
 
2012-07-03 01:29:02 PM
oh hey, it's Silly Jesus, the borderline troll and/or Farker who has no human empathy!

might be better to just ignore him. he posts merely to get a rise out of people.
 
2012-07-03 01:29:48 PM
 
2012-07-03 01:30:52 PM

Silly Jesus: DeltaPunch: Silly Jesus: Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...

Sort of. I have a very loose grasp on it. If I were able to fully grasp religion, I'd be religious...I guess. It's sort of the same concept. I can't really fathom spirit people floating around and other such nonsense, so it's hard for me to truly understand how one could insult a spirit and its family.

It's like if we were walking down the sidewalk together and happened upon a schizophrenic guy screaming random nonsense and I said "WTF?" and you said, "I know, but can't you at least sort of see where he's coming from?"


I don't think it's like that at all. You don't have to be religious to understand the importance of religion to others. I mean, take that absolutely unshakable faith you have that God doesn't exist and try to imagine how someone can believe that God DOES exist with that same unshakeable faith. Not having the same empathic connection with a certain subject doesn't preclude one from understanding arguments founded on that subject; it simply prevents you from believing in it the same way.
 
2012-07-03 01:32:08 PM
I wonder how Romney would feel if he were post-infantially(?) circumcised...
 
2012-07-03 01:35:25 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: liam76: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?

WTF? That's a rational leap to you?

It is, if your not intolerant to religious sensibilities. It's similar.

You are making a mockery of something held important to a person.



"Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience."― Christopher Hitchens

Religion is not something to be respected. It is the source of a great deal of suffering in this world and I do not hold it in a special regard whatsoever. Why should I respect someone's right to cause such harm? Do you respect the beliefs of the KKK, for example? Do you not think it OK to mock the KKK?
 
2012-07-03 01:36:02 PM

farkinfilipino: oh hey, it's Silly Jesus, the borderline troll and/or Farker who has no human empathy!


Interesting, my most recent reply to him contained the word "empathic"...
 
2012-07-03 01:36:10 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?

For purely practical reasons. If someone wanted to visit the grave and there was a turd there, that might be unpleasant. I don't think that the dead person would care though, and I, as the visitor, wouldn't think that the turd tarnished the sack of bones in the ground somehow.

So then I can poop all over her grave as long as I clean it up?


Sure. Knock yourself out.
 
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