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2012-07-03 09:22:47 AM
I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?
 
2012-07-03 09:27:20 AM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.
 
2012-07-03 09:39:09 AM

RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.


But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.
 
2012-07-03 09:41:36 AM

Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.


No, but it's not just about the dead is it? What if I decided to dig up your dead relatives and start using them in my art installation? That might be a bit distressing to your family and friends, perhaps?
 
2012-07-03 09:46:44 AM
Sounds like epic train wreck of religious fail. Except watch them forget his mormonness since they already are so butthurt over Obama's islamicness.
 
2012-07-03 09:50:43 AM

RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

No, but it's not just about the dead is it? What if I decided to dig up your dead relatives and start using them in my art installation? That might be a bit distressing to your family and friends, perhaps?


Personally, and honestly, that really wouldn't bother me. My belief is that upon death you start decaying back into dirt. No soul floating around. No hocus pocus associated with the body / bones. It's just a sack of cells waiting to compost.

I can, however, see more easily how someone else would have a problem with that. Are the Mormons using Jewish skeletons in art installations?
 
2012-07-03 09:54:02 AM

Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?


it's just a dick move. it's no less of a dick move than going up to you and baptizing you while you're alive without your input on the topic.

that doesn't mean you get claimed by the jesus team or alter who or what you are, it means somebody in your general vicinity is a pushy, self righteous dick.

in conclusion, those mormons are dicks.
 
2012-07-03 09:57:29 AM

heap: Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

it's just a dick move. it's no less of a dick move than going up to you and baptizing you while you're alive without your input on the topic.

that doesn't mean you get claimed by the jesus team or alter who or what you are, it means somebody in your general vicinity is a pushy, self righteous dick.

in conclusion, those mormons are dicks.


So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?
 
2012-07-03 10:01:37 AM

Silly Jesus: So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?


i didn't say it was the same, i said they were both dick moves.

kinda like punching a dwarf and shiatting in a mailbox are both dick moves - that doesn't mean dwarf punching and mailbox shiatting are the same thing.
 
2012-07-03 10:04:31 AM

heap: Silly Jesus: So saying some chant, or whatever the hell it is that they do, from a thousand miles away, unbeknownst to the dead person (obviously) is the same as someone coming up to me and splashing water in my face?

i didn't say it was the same, i said they were both dick moves.

kinda like punching a dwarf and shiatting in a mailbox are both dick moves - that doesn't mean dwarf punching and mailbox shiatting are the same thing.


Ok. Tonight I am going to baptize a Farker in the name of FSM, peace be upon him. I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans. I hope that Mr./Mrs. random Farker doesn't think that I'm a dick tomorrow.
 
2012-07-03 10:07:02 AM
Is he doing this trip before or after the election?
I've always wondered if someone can be elected president posthumously, so he if he goes pre-election, we may find out.
 
2012-07-03 10:11:36 AM

Silly Jesus: I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans.


well, that's not what's happening here - they claim their little souls like fictional scalps.
 
2012-07-03 10:20:10 AM

heap: Silly Jesus: I will pick this person at random and at no point, before or after, will I tell them about my plans.

well, that's not what's happening here - they claim their little souls like fictional scalps.


But aren't the names of the baptized always leaked or 'uncovered'? I'm not sure Mormons really want the names of the posthumously baptized out there. They don't even let non-Mormons into their temples.
 
2012-07-03 10:20:15 AM

Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.


It's just... rude, I guess is the only way I can explain it. The dead obviously don't care, but by and large as a culture, we have respect for the dead.

My mother was Catholic. I have a more agnostic way of looking at things. If I found out some Mormons (or anyone) who didn't even know her were performing their own religious rituals on her behalf, I'd be pissed as hell.at them. Not because I believe in anything in particular, or believe that they have power, but because my mother DID have her beliefs and who are they to decide she was somehow wrong or needed them to intervene on her behalf after she died?

I can't even imagine having this done to a relative if someone were a devout follower of the faith of the deceased as well. Like I said, it's just rude.
 
2012-07-03 10:33:46 AM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


It lays the groundwork for 100 years from now, teaching kids that 6 million Mormons died for their faith.
 
2012-07-03 10:37:07 AM

Lumpmoose: But aren't the names of the baptized always leaked or 'uncovered'?


because it isn't at all secret among the people doing the babbling. some of it is right on their genealogical databases (apparently, they get to baptize people to decide who can be royalty in the afterlife, or some kind of goofyness. that kind of goofyness is apparently a clerical matter) and some of it only comes out as those involved in the ceremonies speak about it.

i don't really see that changing much - take the religion out of the topic completely - would it be a dick move for nambla to hold a meeting and tell their members that you or i were members in good standing?

and no, i'm not saying mormons are nambla. i'm saying that being allowed to decide for yourself who you're associated with isn't too much to ask.
 
2012-07-03 10:37:45 AM
I would like Romney to explain why Israel's universal healthcare system - which pays for abortions, no less - is so evil, and why we would support a country that has such an evil healthcare system.
 
2012-07-03 11:09:01 AM

vernonFL: I would like Romney to explain why Israel's universal healthcare system - which pays for abortions, no less - is so evil, and why we would support a country that has such an evil healthcare system.


Our relationship doesn't work that way. We are beholden to them. Not the other way around.
 
2012-07-03 11:56:25 AM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


The reason is so that the Mormons can claim that the Nazi's were actively gassing Mormons.

That way they can be victims without -you know, actually being victims.
 
2012-07-03 11:58:45 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

The reason is so that the Mormons can claim that the Nazi's were actively gassing Mormons.

That way they can be victims without -you know, actually being victims.


We're through the looking glass, people!
 
2012-07-03 12:00:14 PM

serpent_sky: Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.

It's just... rude, I guess is the only way I can explain it. The dead obviously don't care, but by and large as a culture, we have respect for the dead.

My mother was Catholic. I have a more agnostic way of looking at things. If I found out some Mormons (or anyone) who didn't even know her were performing their own religious rituals on her behalf, I'd be pissed as hell.at them. Not because I believe in anything in particular, or believe that they have power, but because my mother DID have her beliefs and who are they to decide she was somehow wrong or needed them to intervene on her behalf after she died?

I can't even imagine having this done to a relative if someone were a devout follower of the faith of the deceased as well. Like I said, it's just rude.


Street corner preachers scream at random people that they'll pray for them. Do you get deeply offended by that too?

I guess I just equate this with getting all butt hurt over some crazy guy yelling his crazy nonsense at you. He's crazy, don't let him get to you, it has no meaning, real or imagined...ignore him.
 
2012-07-03 12:01:02 PM

BunkoSquad: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

It lays the groundwork for 100 years from now, teaching kids that 6 million Mormons died for their faith.


Trolling the Holocaust. That would be a new low.
 
2012-07-03 12:04:37 PM

heap: Lumpmoose: But aren't the names of the baptized always leaked or 'uncovered'?

because it isn't at all secret among the people doing the babbling. some of it is right on their genealogical databases (apparently, they get to baptize people to decide who can be royalty in the afterlife, or some kind of goofyness. that kind of goofyness is apparently a clerical matter) and some of it only comes out as those involved in the ceremonies speak about it.

i don't really see that changing much - take the religion out of the topic completely - would it be a dick move for nambla to hold a meeting and tell their members that you or i were members in good standing?

and no, i'm not saying mormons are nambla. i'm saying that being allowed to decide for yourself who you're associated with isn't too much to ask.


I now cristen you a noble member in good standing of the Girl Scouts of America. Nah-nah-na-boo-boo. Let the butthurt flow through you. They are going to talk about you at their meeting tonight.

/6 boxes of Thin Mints, please.
 
2012-07-03 12:06:05 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

The reason is so that the Mormons can claim that the Nazi's were actively gassing Mormons.

That way they can be victims without -you know, actually being victims.


Is that actually a thing? I thought the person above you that said that was just joking.
 
2012-07-03 12:06:13 PM

Silly Jesus: Nah-nah-na-boo-boo. Let the butthurt flow through you.


erm...you asked. if you don't like the explanation, that's cool.
 
2012-07-03 12:08:14 PM

heap: Silly Jesus: Nah-nah-na-boo-boo. Let the butthurt flow through you.

erm...you asked. if you don't like the explanation, that's cool.


Yeah, that came across as a bit too assholish, didn't it? My apologies. Didn't mean it that way...was just funnin'.

/I'd still like the Thin Mints, though.
 
2012-07-03 12:51:14 PM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?
 
2012-07-03 12:52:29 PM

RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.


What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.
 
2012-07-03 12:53:25 PM
Farking SWEET, it's a Kerry paparazzi moment!!
Who the fark lets the woman drive the tandem jet ski?
Grow a pair, Mittens.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-07-03 12:53:40 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?


Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.
 
2012-07-03 12:53:46 PM

Silly Jesus: But they're dead...Can you enslave dead people?

Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.


Pro tip: Not everyone thinks or believes the same thing you do. Stop forcing you beliefs on others or get offended when others don't share your views.
 
2012-07-03 12:54:29 PM
Does it involve Total Absorption?
 
2012-07-03 12:54:47 PM

Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.


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2012-07-03 12:54:56 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.


Cool. so where is your grandma's grave since you don't mind me and others crapping on it?

Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave.
 
2012-07-03 12:55:31 PM

Silly Jesus: Perhaps I just can't comprehend it because I don't have a sky wizard, other than the tasty, tasty FSM, of course.


It makes perfect sense for atheists, but try to imagine other religious people that DO believe in souls and the afterlife. Maybe for them there exists an uneasiness about people from one religion screwing around with the souls and afterlife of your beloved ones. Surely you can see how that might create some uneasiness...
 
2012-07-03 12:55:39 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: RexTalionis: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

There's a long history of Christians forcibly converting Jews or otherwise converting them against their will, sometimes under threat of death or torture. In the late Medieval period, the Catholic church kidnapped a bunch of Jewish boys and forcibly baptized them and sent them to live with Christian families.

So, with that cultural background, you might see how Jews might not exactly warm to the idea of some Christian offshoot posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims.

What!?!? Everyone must play by Silly Jesus's rules of being offended. No one can be offended different than him. It's not allowed.

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That's exactly what you are saying. You are saying you are not offended by it so no one else should be.

That's stupid.
 
2012-07-03 12:56:13 PM
Mr. Romney, who has pledged to "do the opposite" of the Obama

Mitt is going to cease aid for Israel? I can't believe he would double-cross our ally. Well, I guess I'll have to take him at his word.
 
2012-07-03 12:56:21 PM
Finally! A presidential candidate with the courage to pander to Israel.
 
2012-07-03 12:56:42 PM
how many electoral votes does Israel have? I bet you libs didn't factor THIS into the equation
 
2012-07-03 12:57:04 PM

Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.


So you believe no one should be offended from people crapping on people's graves then?
 
2012-07-03 12:58:13 PM
its funny that in order to become president of the United States, you have to have israeli approval. Isn't the pres supposed to take care of America, not bow to some little tinhorn middle eastern theocracy?
 
2012-07-03 12:58:29 PM
Well, he is taking buttloads of money from the Xtian right, so Romney must go to the mount to pay homage to the "Holy Land"/JewishState/center of craziness.

He's gotta get his ticket punched.
 
2012-07-03 12:58:33 PM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


Do you also not understand why black people would get upset if you took an effigy of Martin Luther King and hung it?
 
2012-07-03 12:58:53 PM

falcon176: how many electoral votes does Israel have? I bet you libs didn't factor THIS into the equation


And I don't think this is even that big for American Jews. I think more American Christians flip out on America/Israel than American Jews do. (not saying none do, just saying I think a lot don't care.)
 
2012-07-03 12:59:06 PM

Corvus: Silly Jesus: Corvus: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

Good point. Like if I was to start crapping on someone grave, why would that make their family upset?

Crapping on a grave is a good analogy for someone thousands of miles away saying nonsense in their head about someone without their knowledge.

Cool. so where is your grandma's grave since you don't mind me and others crapping on it? Um, I said it was a BAD analogy.

Also when you die we will put a cross on your grave. Sure, have at it. Cover it in crosses. I assure you, I won't mind.

 
2012-07-03 01:00:33 PM
For me it isn't so much that they perform some silly rite for a dead person. The issue I have with it, is they then claim that person is a member of the church.

Benjamin Franklin? Well he was a member of the Mormon church, it says right there in our records! Same with George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Pauly Shore.

It reminds me of the spin that gets put on history over the course of time. You know "Benjamin Franklin - First Fireman".
 
2012-07-03 01:00:44 PM

BunkoSquad: Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?

It lays the groundwork for 100 years from now, teaching kids that 6 million Mormons died for their faith.


That only works if the vast majority of non-mormon records are destroyed.... In which case they could just say it and no one would know any better.
 
2012-07-03 01:01:24 PM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


Here let me honestly explain it to you:

The reason is people think of it as other people saying "Your religion is wrong!". It's like if they started erecting crosses on the graves of atheists. Atheists (many at least) would not like that because it is an affront to their beliefs.
 
2012-07-03 01:01:41 PM
If it's been said once, it's been said a thousand times. Posthumous baptism does not in any way shape or form make these people a part of the Mormon church. It is clear to see in the database that the rite was done after death and in no way can be confused with them converting during their life. Posthumous baptism is an invitation to them after their death to accept the gospel if they so chose, as they may not have been given the opportunity to do so in life. That's it. Take off your tin foil hats.
 
2012-07-03 01:01:47 PM

Silly Jesus: I'm not clear on why people care. They are dead. Do they fear that the Jewish sky wizard will be confused about the fate of the Jewish folks if the Mormons start talking to their sky wizard about them?


Never underestimate how much importance others put onto things they put their faith into. It lacks reason to begin with, don't try to reason with them now. If nothing else it's the civil thing to do. It may not be religion but there is probably something you hold deep convictions about that you wouldn't want people crapping on, whether they believe it or not.
 
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