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(Daily Mail)   Old and busted: honor killings. New hotness: reverse honor killings   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 85
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2012-07-02 10:40:14 PM
Preemptive strike.
 
2012-07-02 10:47:15 PM
you go girl.
 
2012-07-02 10:59:42 PM
I'm OK with this.jpg
 
2012-07-02 11:18:41 PM

RodneyToady: Preemptive strike.


Dinki: I'm OK with this.jpg


shanrick: you go girl.

 
2012-07-02 11:45:46 PM
Do not piss off Princess Number One.

/+1
 
2012-07-03 12:10:42 AM
Sounds like self defense.
 
2012-07-03 12:22:38 AM
The article doesn't claim whether the father/brother WOULD have gone so far as to institute honor killings. And even so, she almost poisoned her mother too. what's that all about? Myabe she just wanted to get rid of her nagging family.
 
2012-07-03 12:42:34 AM
Good? No.

Can I understand? Yes.

Should she be hanged? Probably.

It's one thing to go all Romeo and Juliette and run away. But poisoning your own family? That's not good. That's the opposite of good. It's bad. They beat up her boyfriend. Just because some families kill daughters doesn't mean this one was going to.

Can't one person in that region go ten minutes without killing someone!?
 
2012-07-03 01:37:25 AM

doglover: It's one thing to go all Romeo and Juliette and run away. But poisoning your own family? That's not good. That's the opposite of good. It's bad. They beat up her boyfriend. Just because some families kill daughters doesn't mean this one was going to.


Should she have waited until they killed her before making a choice as to her course of action?

She seemed to be worried enough about getting killed, to kill them. The worst punishment she could get for killing them is death, I imagine. So, she probably figured either way she was already dead. At that point, may as well kill 'em.

And, perhaps it will give either inspiration to other would-be honor killing victims to take out their likely murderers, or preferably give pause to those who view killing their daughters for "honor" violations as acceptable.
 
2012-07-03 01:40:39 AM
What's good for the goose is good for the gooser, I guess.
 
2012-07-03 01:50:01 AM

RodneyToady: doglover: It's one thing to go all Romeo and Juliette and run away. But poisoning your own family? That's not good. That's the opposite of good. It's bad. They beat up her boyfriend. Just because some families kill daughters doesn't mean this one was going to.

Should she have waited until they killed her before making a choice as to her course of action?

She seemed to be worried enough about getting killed, to kill them. The worst punishment she could get for killing them is death, I imagine. So, she probably figured either way she was already dead. At that point, may as well kill 'em.

And, perhaps it will give either inspiration to other would-be honor killing victims to take out their likely murderers, or preferably give pause to those who view killing their daughters for "honor" violations as acceptable.


It's called running away.

India has a police force. There are social workers. Numerically, many more Indians hate honor killings than there are Americans.

I just don't like poison, maybe.
 
2012-07-03 03:20:25 AM
Good.
 
2012-07-03 03:21:03 AM
this gives me a good idea.
 
2012-07-03 03:26:09 AM
Someone tries to kill you, you kill em right back.
 
2012-07-03 03:30:57 AM
I wonder if that country will ever outgrow its social class issues.
 
2012-07-03 03:31:43 AM
Part of me seriously condemns this. Another part of me is pumping my fist in the air and shouting, "Fark yeah!"

I'm tired of this honor killing crap. Maybe if enough of the people who usually do the killing are themselves killed, maybe they'll stop doing it.
 
2012-07-03 03:31:44 AM

miss diminutive: I wonder if that country will ever outgrow its social class caste issues.

 
2012-07-03 03:32:21 AM

Doctor Funfrock: Someone tries to kill you, you kill em right back.


Just because they were against the marriage doesn't mean they were trying to kill her.
 
2012-07-03 03:32:59 AM
This all sounds so wonderfully romantic. I wish those kids the best.
 
2012-07-03 03:35:08 AM
i thought it was a new sitcom
 
2012-07-03 03:35:54 AM

Loucifer: This all sounds so wonderfully romantic. I wish those kids the best.


It does suggest a reboot for Romeo and Juliet or for Westside Story.
 
2012-07-03 03:37:45 AM

Doctor Funfrock: Someone tries to kill you, you kill em right back.


Nice!

miss diminutive: I wonder if that country will ever outgrow its social class issues.


This incident happened in a particularly rural region. Not saying that it is not shocking, but I would not paint the entire country as backwards based on this incident.

Murder is never acceptable, particularly a 14-year-old girl who kills her father, younger brother, and almost her mother, over a fling with a boy. Plenty of families, not just in India, are fairly conservative and might not even think that a 14-year-old girl dating is such a good idea, much less thinking about marriage. To kill them for looking out for their daughter's best interest is completely unacceptable.
 
2012-07-03 03:39:52 AM

RoyBatty: Loucifer: This all sounds so wonderfully romantic. I wish those kids the best.

It does suggest a reboot for Romeo and Juliet or for Westside Story.


Heck, if they can choreograph it to Hindi-pop music, this story could be a huge hit movie too..
 
2012-07-03 03:43:05 AM

ExcaliburPrime111: To kill them for looking out for their daughter's best interest is completely unacceptable.


Especially poison. Poison isn't like even a really big gun. You pop off a tank round, there might be a lot of people in danger, but that danger passes quickly.

But you go around poisoning food and god only knows who you'll hurt. Family, friends, pets, local wildlife, a hobo passing through your trash: you never know.
 
2012-07-03 03:53:56 AM
Before I clicked article I thought "Heh, I bet she poisoned some curry. She's Indian, right?"

Sweeeet.
 
2012-07-03 03:53:59 AM

Mr. Shabooboo: RoyBatty: Loucifer: This all sounds so wonderfully romantic. I wish those kids the best.

It does suggest a reboot for Romeo and Juliet or for Westside Story.

Heck, if they can choreograph it to Hindi-pop music, this story could be a huge hit movie too..


Get me Bollywood on the line!
 
2012-07-03 03:57:19 AM

doglover: ExcaliburPrime111: To kill them for looking out for their daughter's best interest is completely unacceptable.

Especially poison. Poison isn't like even a really big gun. You pop off a tank round, there might be a lot of people in danger, but that danger passes quickly.

But you go around poisoning food and god only knows who you'll hurt. Family, friends, pets, local wildlife, a hobo passing through your trash: you never know.


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Murder is murder. "Reverse" honor killings are just as bad as "honor" killings. We do not know all the facts, but based solely on the article, the girl could have done many things (e.g. ran away and eloped secretly or broken off the relationship) which would not have resulted in anyone dying. India rarely uses the death penalty, but I think this monster is deserving of it, or at least a long custodial sentence.
 
2012-07-03 04:00:08 AM
Ultimately, if the kid you raised decides they have to kill you you've failed in one of two ways.

Either they are a product of how you raised them and you deserve to die
or
They are some aberrant satan spawn with an organic defect in place of morals, who should have had an accident long ago, but who survived due to your negligence, in which case you deserve to die for unleashing them on the rest of us.
 
2012-07-03 04:01:21 AM
A little ott maybe
 
2012-07-03 04:10:17 AM
We British have a tradition of hanging men who throw widows on their husbands funeral pyre.

Or it went something like that.
 
2012-07-03 04:15:04 AM
Good job!
 
2012-07-03 04:19:04 AM
There is something very poetic about poisoning. Really classical.

It used to be the most discreet way to rid oneself of rivals, whether they be brother princes, a father King who refused to die and was ruining the monarchy, or a rival for a nice boy's hand. No proof, no evidence (we're talking pre-Sherlock Holmes here).

It is also apparently one of the most agonizing ways to go, and for that reason really not highly recommended for those intent on suicide.

This case presents a quandary, at least as reported. But it's the Daily Fail so what can you expect. Most probably there was considerably more data than was carried (perchance the girl was betrothed to a wealthy toothless 75-year-old widower).

In our modern hygienic prosperous developed countries we accomplish this sort of performance with more gusto. (I was going to post a link but got overwhelmed by the number of shotgunblast/incest/derangedfather/explosion/hatchet sites that I googled up, and decided to spare you).
 
2012-07-03 04:26:53 AM

SpeedyBB: There is something very poetic about poisoning. Really classical.



If I recall correctly, poison is still the #1 method of murder for women. Not just because of the physical difference, but the lack of confrontation. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
 
2012-07-03 04:36:09 AM
Her future husband will know she has poisoned before.
Will wonder at every meal if it is the last.
 
2012-07-03 04:40:39 AM

ExcaliburPrime111: Murder is murder.


No it's not.

There's murder straight up, no premeditation.

There's plots, malicious and cruel.

Accidental murder, killing without intent to do so.

Assassinations, the political machine grinding a tooth off the gears.

Mass murder, abundantly repugnant. (or is it repugnantly abundant?)

And of course poisoning, the lowest of low acts.
 
2012-07-03 04:40:48 AM

doglover: Good? No.

Can I understand? Yes.

Should she be hanged? Probably.

It's one thing to go all Romeo and Juliette and run away. But poisoning your own family? That's not good. That's the opposite of good. It's bad. They beat up her boyfriend. Just because some families kill daughters doesn't mean this one was going to.

Can't one person in that region go ten minutes without killing someone!?


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-03 04:52:17 AM

ExcaliburPrime111: To kill them for looking out for their daughter's best interest is completely unacceptable.


Best interest?

"The girl's family, which belong to a higher caste, had previously beaten the boy when the couple were caught trying to elope."

Not saying that 14 year olds always make the best decisions but it appears she did have her reasons. And good for her for thinking across caste boundaries.

/stupid, stupid caste boundaries
 
2012-07-03 05:00:51 AM
Muslim immigrants are totally awesome.
 
2012-07-03 05:10:15 AM
....most living in poverty and do menial jobs like collecting garbage. This is a file picture.

No shiat. It's not even a photo of an Indian.

Presumably they couldn't find a photo which is fair enough, so they had two choices:

a] show photo of an untouchable Dulit not collecting rubbish
b] show a photo of some random non-Indian dude collecting rubbish

Clearly a] is the honourable choice. Hell, non-Indian dude wasn't even collecting it. He was scavaging thru rubbish.

Shiats me how the media takes us for chumps. And they're soon gonna start CHARGING ME MONEY to read this tosh?! Hahahahahahaha!
 
2012-07-03 05:13:09 AM
FTA: Punjab

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-03 05:26:32 AM
See what happens when you allow women access to Birth Control?

They start having unnatural, non-reproductive sex. The experience of sex when not tempered by a resulting pregnancy makes women go crazy and kill their families.

It's sad, really.
 
2012-07-03 05:28:36 AM

Big Ramifications: Muslim immigrants are totally awesome.


Heh. Another genius.
 
2012-07-03 05:44:06 AM
Not to nitpick, but isn't this just normal 'killin'?
I mean, the "father disapproves of boyfriend" scenario (caste social rank thing aside) wouldn't seem unusual.

/In other news: India still has a caste society.
/That's sooo 1960's.
 
2012-07-03 05:51:08 AM

RodneyToady: doglover: It's one thing to go all Romeo and Juliette and run away. But poisoning your own family? That's not good. That's the opposite of good. It's bad. They beat up her boyfriend. Just because some families kill daughters doesn't mean this one was going to.

Should she have waited until they killed her before making a choice as to her course of action?

She seemed to be worried enough about getting killed, to kill them. The worst punishment she could get for killing them is death, I imagine. So, she probably figured either way she was already dead. At that point, may as well kill 'em.

And, perhaps it will give either inspiration to other would-be honor killing victims to take out their likely murderers, or preferably give pause to those who view killing their daughters for "honor" violations as acceptable.


Ahhhhh, you're sweet.
 
2012-07-03 05:51:54 AM
In other news: feudal societies are untenable in a somewhat post-agricultural world.
 
2012-07-03 05:54:04 AM
Patricide,fratricide and near matricide.


Ahhhh....The exuberance of young love!
 
2012-07-03 06:33:54 AM
Looks like we have a classic example of SYG in action. Listen:

Ilmarinen: but it appears she did have her reasons


RodneyToady: Should she have waited until they killed her before making a choice as to her course of action?

She seemed to be worried enough about getting killed, to kill them.


Where have I heard this before? Trayvon? Zimmerman?
 
2012-07-03 07:04:42 AM

Doctor Funfrock: Someone tries to kill you, you kill em right back.


Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight.
 
2012-07-03 07:07:11 AM
It's going to be hilarious when it turns out this guy was just looking to get laid and that's it.
 
2012-07-03 07:07:36 AM

way south: Not to nitpick, but isn't this just normal 'killin'?
I mean, the "father disapproves of boyfriend" scenario (caste social rank thing aside) wouldn't seem unusual.

/In other news: India still has a caste society.
/That's sooo 1960's 1360's.

 
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