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2012-07-02 11:08:39 PM

JonnyG: RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"

The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.


2/10...you did not address God in the Constitution. For shame it had promise.
 
2012-07-02 11:09:28 PM

shoegaze99: Neither is turning in a slip of paper, if the paper has no meaning to you.


Who says a religious bulletin has no meaning to an atheist? It may likely have quite a distasteful meaning.

But of course that's not the point in the eyes of the law.
 
2012-07-02 11:10:17 PM
Yay.

This. Thread. AGAIN.
 
2012-07-02 11:10:42 PM
As an atheist, I am failing to see the issue here. The owner should be allowed to run their business as they see fit, which includes a church bulletin board discount program. It's not discrimination in any form

Also, all religions (and non-religions) have their factions of assholes
 
2012-07-02 11:12:03 PM

halfof33: Salt Lick Steady: And no, this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint if it can be shown that failure to have the piece of paper does not disqualify you from having the discount and you can prove to the court a sincerely held belief in atheism.

Jesus bro, you need to borrow a couple of bucks or something?


Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:07 PM

FloydA: Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint,



i understand your point, but to me these two sentences contradict each other.
that business that you have identified as private should be free to refuse service to whomever the hell they want.

as for the bing bong in the article:
tfa
He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago when he became dismayed at the religious right.

so he lost his own beliefs because of how other people chose to believe? this guy sounds like an all around dumbass.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:20 PM

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

 
2012-07-02 11:13:32 PM

muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.


Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:40 PM
I wonder how many of the "private businesses can do whatever" posters equally apply that saying to the crazies that interfere with abortion clinics. At least the old guy isn't trying the kill the owner. Give it a few months and the guy will probably forget where he is most of the time.

/At least it's not one of those ADA abusers that extort businesses they've never been to
 
2012-07-02 11:13:58 PM
He can go eat somewhere else if he doesn't like it.

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


Exactly.
 
2012-07-02 11:14:49 PM

MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.


What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.
 
2012-07-02 11:16:25 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.


Thanks, bro i got plenty. You seem to need something? Perspective perhaps?
 
2012-07-02 11:17:23 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


It's not like the atheists miss an opportunity to fan the flames of hatred against theists.

Or the Boy Scouts of America.
 
2012-07-02 11:18:04 PM

Salt Lick Steady: this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint


Correct. It's not discrimination to say that people with the freely available magic discount coupon get a discount while those who don't present the freely available magic discount coupon do not. Like if they only ran ads in a religious newspaper, for instance, and offered coupons in that paper only. That's not discrimination, since anyone can use those coupons regardless of their beliefs. All you need is the paper so you can get the freely available magic discount coupon.

I'm glad we agree on something. Cheers!
 
2012-07-02 11:19:25 PM

RY28: FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.

Especially the mass genocide types .


Plenty of Athiests support mass genocide.
 
2012-07-02 11:19:53 PM
Wolff said he was born a German Jew and was a devote Catholic from age 10 to 16. He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago...

This explains why he is such a pushy asshole. He learned at an early age.
 
2012-07-02 11:20:13 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Aren't atheists usually the one's doing the fanning? Like in this case?
 
2012-07-02 11:20:41 PM
I would want to see how American authorities would respond to this one.
 
2012-07-02 11:21:04 PM
Jesus man. Go farking sure your local municipality for their unconstitutional tax cuts for churches, not this private business crap.
 
2012-07-02 11:21:06 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


This
 
2012-07-02 11:21:43 PM
From the sound of the lady in the article, does anyone here think that if this guy had actually gone to the restaurant and demanded the discount even though he didn't have a program, he WOULDN'T have gotten it? They would have given him the 10% just to get him to shut the fark up.

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I could not give less of a fark about 10 cents off their shiatty salad bar. It's the fact that the religious do and say what they want because the opposing voice is taboo.


So, if I get what you're saying correctly, you want to be able to persecute people based on their beliefs? What would you do if they didn't want to give up their faith? I have an idea, you could could take the people who won't agree with you and make them march down the street in funny clothes, and then light them on fire, so you can show everyone who won't fall into line with your way of thinking what happens to them! That's a great and original idea!

And I can see how "taboo" the opposing voice is. The religious police are dragging you down to church right now, aren't they? Forcing you to be silent about what you think. I see how hard it must bee for you.

Seriously, that post was about as bigoted as any of the vilest filth that ever poured out of a televangelist's or Hamas imam's lips.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:37 PM

FloydA: AbbeySomeone: FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.

He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.

I agree. This is a stupid fight that was started by a senile old guy. Even though I agree with him that "god" is made up and religion is a bunch of nonsensical superstition, I agree with you that he should probably just sit the hell down and go back to watching Matlock. The restaurant has every right to give discounts to the superstitious people if they want to; it's their business. Atheists can just have all you can eat brunch someplace else if it really bothers them.



andyfromfl:

You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.


RY28:

Especially the mass genocide types .


Name a dictator who had people killed because they were not atheists.

Stalin had people killed because they were not Stalinists, although the Russian Orthodox church persisted through the Stalin era, so you can't use him as an example.

Mao had people killed because they were not Maoists, but Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, and many "folk" religions persisted in China during and after Mao's reign, so he's also not an example.

You might be able to make an argument that Pol Pot tried to eliminate religion in Kampuchea, although given the fact that the Khmer Rouge used religion as one of their primary categories for classifying people, it would be a tough argument to make.

So, given the fact that you can't use Stalin or Mao, and the use of Pol Pot is at best, tenuous, your argument that "atheism is the cause of genocide" is on rather shaky footings.

Unless you have some other examples that you would like to present of people who killed others because they were not atheists.

I'd be happy to hear of them ...


Not because they were not Athiests, but because they were "subhuman".

Eugenics etc.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:45 PM

halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.

What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.


If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?
 
2012-07-02 11:22:45 PM

sillydragon: muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.

Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.


Oh, are you doubting there aren't a bunch of other people out there who think this way? Are you new to Fark? The Webs? To life?

I see though you want to remain willfully ignorant and keep insisting that your beliefs have never had their assholes, including yes, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to name a few.

/You can bring up the crusades and inquisition if it makes you feel better.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:57 PM

Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?


That could be determined to be hate speech. If someone were to run a special if you desecrate a Tanakh or Quran, it is beyond certainty that it would be considered hate speech in this country. Probably the same with your bible special. So, while not strictly illegal, it would almost certainly open you up to many expensive lawsuits. Try it with Qurans and see what happens.

My best guess is you would simply have no customers because you are obviously a hateful douche, with whom even most militant of atheists don't want to be associated. Again, being a hateful douche isn't illegal, it just means you will go out of business after about a week.


Oh, and BTW - paper bibles generally cost $10 bucks each. So your customers getting $3 off for their $10 investment probably aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree.
 
2012-07-02 11:23:30 PM

halfof33: Salt Lick Steady: Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.

Thanks, bro i got plenty. You seem to need something? Perspective perhaps?


Oh, I just want to pinch your cheeks!

/no not those ones
 
2012-07-02 11:24:40 PM

JimmyFartpants: This


Lulz, don't accurately report facts that show the anti-religious in a bad light.

Fark you facts and your anti-bigot agenda!

Hee hee!
 
2012-07-02 11:24:50 PM

wrs1864: Would it be ok to offer a 10% discount for whites?


How about a 10% discount for not being an asshole? I think a lot of places should adopt that policy -- maybe we'd see a return of civility.

/but maybe I'm hoping for too much
 
2012-07-02 11:25:11 PM
Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.
 
2012-07-02 11:28:32 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: That could be determined to be hate speech.


But telling people they will burn in eternal hell if they don't believe in your imaginary friend is fine isn't it?
 
2012-07-02 11:28:46 PM

MrCrazyInsane: halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.

What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.

If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?


Your point that peoples beliefs who don't agree with yours should be abolished? Yeah, some point you have there Mr. KGB.
 
2012-07-02 11:28:51 PM

MrCrazyInsane: If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?


because your wish that all theism be abolished is farking ridiculous.

"ATheism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance."

There I've equally DERp'ed the thread. Why don''t you speak to my points!
 
2012-07-02 11:29:19 PM

consider this: Another example of some people not being happy unless they have something to biatch about.


This.

The lady even said she's not about promoting religion. She said if anyone showed up with any church bulletin, they'd get the discount. It' s not a case of her DENYING anyone a meal because they DON'T have some bulletin or other.

What she wants, sounds to me like, is more people coming in on Sundays; and people who've been to church and have that useless piece of paper with them (when I was a wee lass forced to go to church, I'd draw all over ours with those little pencils that were also in the pews, for some reason), are a good target. She's not even demanding any proof that it's YOUR church bulletin. Show her a bulletin, get your freaking discount.

After all this mess, I wouldn't blame her if she stopped giving anyone anything but the mandated discounts, which there aren't any.
 
2012-07-02 11:32:05 PM

whatshisname: But telling people they will burn in eternal hell if they don't believe in your imaginary friend is fine isn't it?


I didn't say that. As I said, it isn't strictly illegal. You have the right to not patronize the business of anyone who tells you that.
 
2012-07-02 11:33:06 PM

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.


I for one will now be going to Reddit for people not giving your post more attention.

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"Why carnt they be smart. wrike me"?
 
2012-07-02 11:33:40 PM
How funny would it be if it turned out the complainer and the owner were in cahoots, angling for publicity for the diner?
 
2012-07-02 11:34:03 PM
I personally really do not care what someone's religion is or what they believe...even though I find it all to be vestiges of superstitions anyway. At the same time I do find it irritating that I am bombarded with Christianity all of the time. I just think your religion should stay in your church, which a lot of religions do. However, I find it extremely annoying when there are Congressmen, Supreme Court Justices (Scalia the most notable) advocating laws that stem directly from their district/state and their own (assuming they are telling the truth) religious superstitions. I find most of thes religious persecution arguments to be laughable.

While not the case here look at those anti-bullying statutes the religious people say it violates their religious freedom to include sexual orientation and they want exemptions. This is nonsense it violates the establishment clause and I just have a hard time giving credence with the freedom argument, when your free to do whatever you want in your church, your just not getting a special A-hole card in public. I think what gets most people is they have a visceral reaction to religious groups getting special rights.
 
2012-07-02 11:35:02 PM

ImJustaTroll: non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.


Besides military service, all of those are protected classes (age under state law). ?
 
2012-07-02 11:35:26 PM

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


Chick-Fil-A does, yes. They have one at my university (Drexel, in Philly) in the big dining area they put in recently by the residence halls.

Of course, even having gone there in the past and knowing full well how delicious they are, I refuse to give them another dime after having learned that their founder takes the money he earns from the business and gives (some of) it to anti LGBT groups. Not cool.
 
2012-07-02 11:35:37 PM

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


I am a Christian but I have to say, I respect the rights of atheists. I don't argue with them because I am secure in my faith. I am not the kind of person that gets bent out of shape with "Merry Christmas" versus "Happy Holidays" because I am aware that a lot of people celebrate different holidays. I dont get my panties in a bunch about removing crosses and christmas trees and stuff cuz it's just symbolism and to me, what matters is in my heart. Ten commandments on a judicial building, get them off of there. It doesn't matter to me.

BUT, filing a suit like this smacks of "some people need to mind their own business." It is kind of a dick move. Seriously. They need to get a life. They are free to get a circular and use it. It is no different than clipping a coupon.

/making folks look bad
 
2012-07-02 11:36:23 PM
no shoes, no shirt, no service.

Ladies night - he can't change genders THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Senior Discount - he's 80 but I'm not and will have decades to wait for my discount THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Free meal/dessert/muzzles to kids under 12- I don't have kids THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Double Coupons - I don't take the paper and don't get coupons THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:36:23 PM
There seems to be a new breed of athiest whose entire cognition amounts to getting in peoples faces for a reddit picture pose.

Old school athiests used to profoundly understate their point by simply being more Christ-like than the Christians.
 
2012-07-02 11:36:36 PM

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.


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2012-07-02 11:36:39 PM
Just go to a damn church and pick up a bulletin.
They are free, for fark's sake.
 
2012-07-02 11:36:48 PM
Go to hell atheist! Oops, too late!
 
2012-07-02 11:37:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:37:18 PM
Reading these threads is like walking past a table full of drunk Philosophy sophomores.
 
2012-07-02 11:38:17 PM

Waldo Pepper: Salt Lick Steady: And the reason I post this is to remind you dumbasses talking about ladies night that if you insist your own dickfisted hand be given a free drink too, you can demand that.

No, this is not a big deal, but it's not an entirely meritless claim.

interesting

Link


From your link "If you're a business owner, all is not lost. Even in states where Ladies' Night has come under fire, businesses have come up with creative solutions. In Colorado, for example, one club replaced Ladies' Night with "Lipstick Thursdays" where discounts are offered to everyone--male and female--who happens to be wearing lipstick."
Church bulletin is analogous to lipstick. Case dismissed.
 
2012-07-02 11:39:10 PM

zzrhardy: Old school athiests used to profoundly understate their point by simply being more Christ-like than the Christians.


Most atheists don't have a point to make.
They just live their life without paying any attention whatsoever to religion.
 
2012-07-02 11:40:04 PM

devildog123: From the sound of the lady in the article, does anyone here think that if this guy had actually gone to the restaurant and demanded the discount even though he didn't have a program, he WOULDN'T have gotten it? They would have given him the 10% just to get him to shut the fark up.

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I could not give less of a fark about 10 cents off their shiatty salad bar. It's the fact that the religious do and say what they want because the opposing voice is taboo.

So, if I get what you're saying correctly, you want to be able to persecute people based on their beliefs? What would you do if they didn't want to give up their faith? I have an idea, you could could take the people who won't agree with you and make them march down the street in funny clothes, and then light them on fire, so you can show everyone who won't fall into line with your way of thinking what happens to them! That's a great and original idea!

And I can see how "taboo" the opposing voice is. The religious police are dragging you down to church right now, aren't they? Forcing you to be silent about what you think. I see how hard it must bee for you.

Seriously, that post was about as bigoted as any of the vilest filth that ever poured out of a televangelist's or Hamas imam's lips.


No. No, you are not getting what I am saying correctly.

I'm not part of the group that wants to prevent homosexual marriage. (how's that for minding one's own business?)

I'm not part of the group that thinks abortion is wrong (even in the case of rape and incest) and is grounds for justified terroristic acts.

I'm not part of the group that thinks the public school curriculum should not include evolution.

I'm not part of the group that has sects that believe women are inferior.

I'm not part if the group that operates tax-free and largely without oversight.

I'm not part of the group that has spawned more war and death over the course of history then we could ever tally, all in the name of the lord (in whatever form).

Sorry, but the believers are dying out because they are not correct. You can be a good person without a "good book."

Also, hurl the bigot comment. That's so special. I am comfortable in my human being. Fear is what causes religion, and is its trademark. Insults are words of fear.
 
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