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2012-07-02 10:06:28 PM
As a Buddhist, I have no problem with this policy. Her business is her business. If the guy wants to be suck a farkstick about it, he can open a competing restaurant across the street that doesn't require religious ceremonies for a discount, or that requires customers bring in used dildos.
 
2012-07-02 10:07:38 PM

Pockafrusta: Well... Athiests are assholes.


Does that usually happen after you say something like that? Cause if it does then maybe its just you. Might wanna reflect on that.

But this guy? Yeah, he's an asshole. Separation of church and state is a two-way street. Its just as much about keeping government out of religion as it is vice-versa. Private business can take the Lord's name in vain all they want to.
 
2012-07-02 10:08:12 PM
On the one hand, it is illegal under federal law for business to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. On the other hand, she'll take any bulletin regardless of whether or not he went to church. He could probably print up his own -- she seems like she wants anything to bring in the Sunday brunch/lunch crowd. I wonder why he didn't just bring out his AARP card and ask for a senior discount (which is legal)? I'll bet they'd give him one to keep the peace.
 
2012-07-02 10:09:33 PM
A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

i.imgur.com

Which even though we're all atheists, we were cool with... though we discussed going in with one of these:

http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html

But decided we also weren't big enough arseholes to do that. So, eh.

/at least we actually *eat* there...
 
2012-07-02 10:12:14 PM

wrs1864: Would it be ok to offer a 10% discount for whites?


This restaurant isn't offering a discount based on any personal characteristic. They are offering a discount on whether or not you are holding a piece of paper.

But to answer your question, colleges and government programs already do exactly that - for blacks - it's called affirmative action. And there has been a lot of legal wrangling over the legality of it.
 
2012-07-02 10:12:52 PM
So, could the owner simply go to area churches and leave coupons in the church hall for x% off on Sunday?

I mean, if he wants the business and wants to support religion, isn't that essentially the equivalent?

I mean, a mandate isn't a mandate if it's a tax, right? I just learned that this week.

Just asking.
 
2012-07-02 10:13:02 PM

Aunt Crabby: On the one hand, it is illegal under federal law for business to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. On the other hand, she'll take any bulletin regardless of whether or not he went to church. He could probably print up his own -- she seems like she wants anything to bring in the Sunday brunch/lunch crowd. I wonder why he didn't just bring out his AARP card and ask for a senior discount (which is legal)? I'll bet they'd give him one to keep the peace.


but she isn't discriminating as long as she doesn't charge him a higher price than what is regular price. I doubt her ad states christian church, it just says church.
 
2012-07-02 10:14:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Wolff, who said he's never been to Prudhomme's, recently filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission

WTF is a "Human Relations Commission", and how fast can I get my teabagging governor to cut its funding?




i.imgur.com
"Oh my, how rude indeed."
 
2012-07-02 10:14:48 PM
Pennsylvania Human Rights Act

SECTION 5. Unlawful Discriminatory Practices.
It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or in the case of a fraternal corporation or association, unless based upon membership in such association or corporation, or except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania: ...

(i) For any person being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any public accommodation, resort or amusement to:

(1) Refuse, withhold from, or deny to any person because of his race, color, sex, religious creed, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, either directly or indirectly, any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges of such public accommodation, resort or amusement.

(2) Publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail, either directly or indirectly, any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user, or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, or that the patronage or custom thereat of any person, belonging to or purporting to be of any particular race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, is unwelcome, objectionable or not acceptable, desired or solicited.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:16 PM

Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?


You see, folks, this fella gets it. Bravo.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:25 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Pennsylvania Human Rights Act

SECTION 5. Unlawful Discriminatory Practices.
It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or in the case of a fraternal corporation or association, unless based upon membership in such association or corporation, or except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania: ...

(i) For any person being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any public accommodation, resort or amusement to:

(1) Refuse, withhold from, or deny to any person because of his race, color, sex, religious creed, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, either directly or indirectly, any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges of such public accommodation, resort or amusement.

(2) Publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail, either directly or indirectly, any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user, or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, or that the patronage or custom thereat of any person, belonging to or purporting to be of any particular race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physic ...


does the discount apply only to Christian churches?
 
2012-07-02 10:16:33 PM

FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.


He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:46 PM
And the reason I post this is to remind you dumbasses talking about ladies night that if you insist your own dickfisted hand be given a free drink too, you can demand that.

No, this is not a big deal, but it's not an entirely meritless claim.
 
2012-07-02 10:17:43 PM

FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in


I came here to say pretty much this as I am also an atheist. I was, however, a waiter in college and must say that people who came in on Sunday after church for breakfast or ice cream or whatever hardly ever tipped at all, they were roundly hated by people like me (college people working their way through school) and carreer waitresses who went to church. They were even cheaper than high school kids out on a date who hadn't learned to tip yet and by far the most willing to complain customers we had.
 
2012-07-02 10:18:02 PM

FloydA: Di Atribe: He's not grumpy because he's an atheist, he's grumpy because he's old. You don't HAVE to eat there & even if you do, you don't HAVE to use the discount. What's the savings there? A dollar, maybe?

Frankly, it really is a genius marketing idea.

"The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

THANK YOU peace be upon her


It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!


For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint...

ernieputto.de

/staying
/finishing my coffee
 
2012-07-02 10:18:31 PM

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


That's the big difference between non-believers and believers. When an atheist acts like an asshat over his non-belief, other atheists won't hesitate to call them out on it.

doglover: There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.


What makes you think we haven't had quite a few?
 
2012-07-02 10:19:06 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Pennsylvania Human Rights Act

SECTION 5. Unlawful Discriminatory Practices.
It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or in the case of a fraternal corporation or association, unless based upon membership in such association or corporation, or except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania: ...

(i) For any person being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any public accommodation, resort or amusement to:

(1) Refuse, withhold from, or deny to any person because of his race, color, sex, religious creed, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, either directly or indirectly, any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges of such public accommodation, resort or amusement.

(2) Publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail, either directly or indirectly, any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user, or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, or that the patronage or custom thereat of any person, belonging to or purporting to be of any particular race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physic ...


What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?
 
2012-07-02 10:19:16 PM

FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.


You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:29 PM

Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?


That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:49 PM

Coco LaFemme: Good. Who gives a rat's wet asshole if this restaurant offers a discount to people who bring in church bulletins? They're allowed to do that. They could even put up a sign that says "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed" and you still can't do jack or shiat about it. It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

Just find a church, grab a bulletin, and get your precious 10% discount if it means that much to you, you whiny little chucklefark.


While I agree with you, like farker Sensei said in the second post "Why does everyone feel the need to mind everyone else's business?". Unfortunately, these busybodies have gotten enough politicians and judges to agree with their social engineering programs it just encourages everyone with an agenda and too much free time.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


I'm an atheist and think the guy's being a dick. Of course, outside of a few jokes only brought up if somebody else brings up religion, I keep quiet about it.

Government endorsing religion = forbidden. Private person/company doing so, but not discriminating during hiring process and such = meh.
 
2012-07-02 10:20:00 PM

Salt Lick Steady: And the reason I post this is to remind you dumbasses talking about ladies night that if you insist your own dickfisted hand be given a free drink too, you can demand that.

No, this is not a big deal, but it's not an entirely meritless claim.


interesting

Link
 
2012-07-02 10:20:57 PM

AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?


See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.
 
2012-07-02 10:23:01 PM

safeforwork: A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Why only Sunday?

Gee, I wonder...
 
2012-07-02 10:23:12 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?

That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.


so all churches are religious?

Link
 
2012-07-02 10:23:40 PM

HotWingAgenda: used dildos


I think the health department would have an issue with that. :-D
 
2012-07-02 10:25:39 PM

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


1,000x times this.

There's plenty of bullshiat that we atheists have to put up with. Legitimate stuff -- people evangelizing to our children or trying to ban teaching evolution or making unpaid attendance at a work-organized Bible study mandatory. Get pissed about that shiat. Not a couple bucks of at a restaurant YOU DON'T EVEN farkING GO TO.
 
2012-07-02 10:26:14 PM
Marcus Aurelius: I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


We got us an internet sex god atheist

p://www.fark.com/comments/7193032/77827590#c77827590" target="_blank">MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


We also got us a foul mouthed internet tough atheist.


How many more subspecies can YOU spot in this thread?
 
2012-07-02 10:26:41 PM

meat0918: Remember age discrimination is wrong, unless it's a senior discount at stake.
And religious discrimination is wrong, unless it's a church bulletin discount at stake.

Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?


Yes, I'm sure they would. I'm also sure that if you took the 30 seconds to print out a page from some humanist website, they'd that that, too.
 
2012-07-02 10:26:56 PM
But, he said the restaurant's discount for church-goers annoyed him. "My interest is in social justice and tolerance, and I get a little annoyed at all the religiosity," he said.

He is interested in niether tolerance or justice. He's a bully trying to force people to comply to his pet peeves. He's only annoyed because they won't do as he wants. He's a wannabe petty tyrant.

He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago when he became dismayed at the religious right.

I call BS. He's just saying that as a defense and to score poltical points. He's more likely been a angry atheist his entire adult life.
 
2012-07-02 10:27:08 PM

Waldo Pepper: Salt Lick Steady: Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?

That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.

so all churches are religious?

Link


If you're filing a discrimination suit, you'll generally need to prove an actual incidence of discrimination PLUS the court will make you prove that your religious belief is sincerely held. That can sometimes be a low bar to get over, but there's the short and skinny of it.

And no, again, not all creeds are religious, because lack of religion is indeed a creed.
 
2012-07-02 10:28:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: meat0918: FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in

Obligatory "Private business should be allowed to give white person discount then" response.

To be fair, you would have to leave your whiteness at the restaurant, just like your church service program.


Combo restaurant / tanning salon?
 
2012-07-02 10:29:29 PM

FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.


Especially the mass genocide types .
 
2012-07-02 10:29:38 PM

Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.


You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.
 
2012-07-02 10:30:18 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Apparently they'll let anybody file a complaint with the PHRC. Whoever the hell they are and for all the good it does.

PA law, in general, prohibits discrimination based on race, color, age (40 and over), sex, ancestry, national origin, religion, familial status (only in housing), disability and the use, handling or training of guide or support animals for disability.


Why is 40 the magic age and what is covered? Lots of fail there, Lou.
 
2012-07-02 10:30:47 PM

JonnyG: People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves


I'm surprised more people here haven't gone after you for this. You are right, and the proof is the existence of the GOP in its current state, and also resistance to evolution and climate responsibility.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:28 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


The Butthurt. You'll get over it.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:43 PM

Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion


Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:44 PM

AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.

You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.


The 14th amendment - equal protection - applies to the states, genius.
 
2012-07-02 10:33:15 PM
He said the complaint against Prudhomme's isn't as much about the actual discount as it is the bigger picture of what his happening in this country. "I'd just be happy to bring this out in the open and get people to reflect a little bit," Wolff said.

You poor persecuted thing, you.
 
2012-07-02 10:35:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Wolff, who said he's never been to Prudhomme's, recently filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission

WTF is a "Human Relations Commission"...


A government organization dedicated to giving the relatives/close friends/fark buddies of certain distinguished government officials nice jobs.
 
2012-07-02 10:36:18 PM
WOOOOO This is where I get to jump on the obvious bandwagon and pretend to be heard!!!!!!

/YEAH MOM, I'M DOWN HEAR STILL, AND BRING MORE CHEETOS
 
2012-07-02 10:37:09 PM

OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.


Yet you, being someone who doesn't feel the need to discuss it... Oh, wait. You came here and DIDN'T SHUT UP about it.
 
2012-07-02 10:38:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: FloydA: Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.

Hah. Walk in dressed as an Arab holding a piece of papyrus covered in Arabic writing, and start ALLAH HU AKBARing. THAT would be fun.


The belt of road flares disguised as dynamite. Don't forget that.
 
2012-07-02 10:39:48 PM

s2s2s2: Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion

Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.


Start with Wallace v Jaffree

Knock yourself out
 
2012-07-02 10:40:13 PM
Another example of some people not being happy unless they have something to biatch about.
 
2012-07-02 10:40:15 PM

safeforwork: A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Which even though we're all atheists, we were cool with... though we discussed going in with one of these:

http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html

But decided we also weren't big enough arseholes to do that. So, eh.

/at least we actually *eat* there...


Dude. My Little Pony? Really?
 
2012-07-02 10:41:01 PM

Salt Lick Steady: s2s2s2: Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion

Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.

Start with Wallace v Jaffree

Knock yourself out


I wish you guys would make up your mind.
 
2012-07-02 10:41:54 PM

BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.


All Chick-fil-A's are closed on Sunday's, per top management order.

They STILL outperform McDonalds on samestore weekly stats.
 
2012-07-02 10:42:09 PM
One of the drawbacks of evolution is the slow rate of change. I wish I could say that in my lifetime humans will evolve to the point that sky wizard worship is eradicated.

Homosexual marriage hate on a tax-free dime. Don't kill babies, or we'll kill doctors. Evolution denial is the topper. I wish these days would pass.

However, if, as someone suggested above, the discount was for people throwing out bibles on the way in the door, or better yet, some charred gospel pages for a free appetizer, the religious would protest the restaurant into oblivion.

Fair and equal is all atheists want.
 
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