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2012-07-02 05:31:49 PM  
For f*cks sake.

You claim to be all about Jesus, get your discounted po'boy then go the hell home.
 
2012-07-02 05:39:58 PM  
He should get a bulletin from a Satanic church service and go get himself some catfish.

Geez. Why do so many people feel the need to mind everyone else's business?
 
2012-07-02 05:46:31 PM  
People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name
 
2012-07-02 05:49:41 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.
 
2012-07-02 05:50:31 PM  
If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?
 
2012-07-02 05:54:17 PM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


My bad for not reading the article. I'll concur that old man yells at cloud
 
2012-07-02 05:54:34 PM  
So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?
 
2012-07-02 05:55:58 PM  
Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby
 
2012-07-02 05:57:58 PM  
Remember age discrimination is wrong, unless it's a senior discount at stake.
And religious discrimination is wrong, unless it's a church bulletin discount at stake.

Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?
 
2012-07-02 05:59:14 PM  
Good. Hope she wins.
 
2012-07-02 06:01:14 PM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


This.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


And this.
 
2012-07-02 06:03:20 PM  
Attention whore.
 
2012-07-02 06:03:23 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


Totes this.

There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.
 
2012-07-02 06:03:55 PM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in
 
2012-07-02 06:04:52 PM  
Wolff, who said he's never been to Prudhomme's, recently filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission

WTF is a "Human Relations Commission", and how fast can I get my teabagging governor to cut its funding?
 
2012-07-02 06:04:56 PM  

FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in


Obligatory "Private business should be allowed to give white person discount then" response.
 
2012-07-02 06:07:12 PM  

FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in


They're a bunch of Mennonites and Baptists that already got cleaned out by their fire and brimstone pastor. You're looking at 15%, tops, and that's AFTER the discount.

/to mennonite: how you make an amish girl happy
 
2012-07-02 06:08:50 PM  
Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint, but this is just silly. Old guy, foreign born, so he can't be expected to have an understanding of US law.


I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.
 
2012-07-02 06:09:14 PM  

meat0918: FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in

Obligatory "Private business should be allowed to give white person discount then" response.


To be fair, you would have to leave your whiteness at the restaurant, just like your church service program.
 
2012-07-02 06:10:32 PM  

FloydA: Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint, but this is just silly. Old guy, foreign born, so he can't be expected to have an understanding of US law.


I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.


I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.
 
2012-07-02 06:15:49 PM  
I just kind of blew it off. Gosh, I have more things to concentrate on.

Don't we all, lady.

Don't we all...
 
2012-07-02 06:16:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Submitter. I don't hate him because he's an atheist; I hate that he's another no-life-haver who feels the need to mind everyone else's business.
 
2012-07-02 06:18:15 PM  

Shostie: I just kind of blew it off. Gosh, I have more things to concentrate on.

Don't we all, lady.

Don't we all...


I especially like the "gosh".
 
2012-07-02 06:18:50 PM  
Diners who bring in a current church bulletin receive 10 percent off the purchase of their dinners.

Aren't all U.S. citizens guaranteed a separation of church and plate?
 
2012-07-02 06:22:52 PM  
I'm outraged that if somebody presents their ticket stub from a game at the local high school can get free fries from McD's. Assholes. I don't do high school sports.
 
2012-07-02 06:25:44 PM  
To use an oldie but goodie, the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.

\seriously, dude could just go to a farking church parking lot and find one on the ground for the discount if he wanted to go and give them a 5% tip that badly
\\you know the guy's a bad tipper, you just know it
 
2012-07-02 06:26:01 PM  
Apparently they'll let anybody file a complaint with the PHRC. Whoever the hell they are and for all the good it does.
 
2012-07-02 06:26:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.
 
2012-07-02 06:29:54 PM  

Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver


FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.



He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.
 
2012-07-02 06:34:37 PM  

FloydA: Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.


Hah. Walk in dressed as an Arab holding a piece of papyrus covered in Arabic writing, and start ALLAH HU AKBARing. THAT would be fun.
 
2012-07-02 06:35:54 PM  

FloydA: Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.


No, wait, I've got it. FSM programs. The main hymn would start off, "On top of spaghetti, all covered in cheese".
 
2012-07-02 06:36:26 PM  
There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.
 
2012-07-02 06:38:33 PM  

InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.


"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.
 
2012-07-02 06:38:37 PM  
He's not grumpy because he's an atheist, he's grumpy because he's old. You don't HAVE to eat there & even if you do, you don't HAVE to use the discount. What's the savings there? A dollar, maybe?

Frankly, it really is a genius marketing idea.

"The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

THANK YOU peace be upon her
 
2012-07-02 06:39:57 PM  

Di Atribe: He's not grumpy because he's an atheist, he's grumpy because he's old. You don't HAVE to eat there & even if you do, you don't HAVE to use the discount. What's the savings there? A dollar, maybe?

Frankly, it really is a genius marketing idea.

"The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

THANK YOU peace be upon her



It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!
 
2012-07-02 06:41:00 PM  
thumbnails.hulu.com

FLOBBITYFLEE!!
 
2012-07-02 06:41:27 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


I know of at least one in the Camp Hill/Mechanicsburg area, so yes.
 
2012-07-02 06:41:41 PM  

FloydA: Di Atribe: He's not grumpy because he's an atheist, he's grumpy because he's old. You don't HAVE to eat there & even if you do, you don't HAVE to use the discount. What's the savings there? A dollar, maybe?

Frankly, it really is a genius marketing idea.

"The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

THANK YOU peace be upon her


It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!


It's also sexist. Why don't women have to wear sleeves, I'd like to know...
 
2012-07-02 06:41:48 PM  

FloydA: It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!


unsubject.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-02 06:42:59 PM  
Wow.. insta-green. Must be an important story

*check article*

Nah, just some old guy being a douche
 
2012-07-02 06:44:31 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.
 
2012-07-02 06:48:11 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.


So they don't work on Sunday cause of Jesus, but Jesús has to work on Sunday.
 
2012-07-02 07:04:10 PM  

SilentStrider: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

I know of at least one in the Camp Hill/Mechanicsburg area, so yes.


Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what happens since this particular chain is closed on Sundays because of the chain owner's religious beliefs.

Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?
 
2012-07-02 07:06:48 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: SilentStrider: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

I know of at least one in the Camp Hill/Mechanicsburg area, so yes.

Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what happens since this particular chain is closed on Sundays because of the chain owner's religious beliefs.

Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?


I've never actually eaten there, so I don't know.
 
2012-07-02 07:09:26 PM  

Sensei Can You See: FloydA: It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!

[unsubject.files.wordpress.com image 512x640]


When did Star Sapphire start dressing like the bastard child of Galactus and The Scarlet Witch?
 
2012-07-02 07:11:23 PM  

Sgt Otter: Sensei Can You See: FloydA: It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!

[unsubject.files.wordpress.com image 512x640]

When did Star Sapphire start dressing like the bastard child of Galactus and The Scarlet Witch?


From the looks of the art and the lack of grey stripes on Hal Jordan's head, I'd guess that was from somewhere between 1984 and 1989.
 
2012-07-02 07:11:26 PM  

SilentStrider: Bathia_Mapes: SilentStrider: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

I know of at least one in the Camp Hill/Mechanicsburg area, so yes.

Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what happens since this particular chain is closed on Sundays because of the chain owner's religious beliefs.

Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?

I've never actually eaten there, so I don't know.


Ah, thanks.
 
2012-07-02 07:20:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Atheists have as much right to be hated as Christians have.
 
2012-07-02 07:21:57 PM  

doglover: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

Totes this.

There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.


How can we know what a President believes if we can't even tell where he was born?
 
2012-07-02 07:44:41 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

Totes this.

There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.

How can we know what a President believes if we can't even tell where he was born?


Christian candidate: God says I should win!

Athiest candidate: I say there's no god!

Winning candidate: Lower taxes, higher miniskirts!
 
2012-07-02 07:51:00 PM  

meat0918:
Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?


Wouldn't bother me.


Perhaps she should just have the local churches print coupons in their bulletin. Who can be against a coupon for a restaurant?
 
2012-07-02 07:53:32 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: meat0918:
Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?

Wouldn't bother me.


Perhaps she should just have the local churches print coupons in their bulletin. Who can be against a coupon for a restaurant?


That'd probably get around some things, but it's a bit... money changer-ish, don't you think?

//As if fish frys aren't.
 
2012-07-02 08:00:33 PM  
Good. Who gives a rat's wet asshole if this restaurant offers a discount to people who bring in church bulletins? They're allowed to do that. They could even put up a sign that says "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed" and you still can't do jack or shiat about it. It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

Just find a church, grab a bulletin, and get your precious 10% discount if it means that much to you, you whiny little chucklefark.
 
2012-07-02 08:01:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


It's a promotion to drum up Sunday dinner business. All you would have to do is say you were there because of their promotion and she'd probably give you a discount. The point of the promotion is to get people who regularly go to church to say, "Hey, if we bring this bulletin in, we can get a discount...let's go out to eat tonight at this restaurant."

So at any rate, you'd be a customer who was only there because of the promotion.
 
2012-07-02 08:09:50 PM  

Coco LaFemme: It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.


That's actually not... entirely true...

Link
 
2012-07-02 08:21:50 PM  
So, someone is suing a business for using a quasi coupon?

Get over yourself
 
2012-07-02 08:38:12 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Wow.. insta-green. Must be an important story

*check article*

Nah, just some old guy being a douche


You must be confusing FARK with CNN again.
 
2012-07-02 08:39:49 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Wow.. insta-green. Must be an important story

*check article*

Nah, just some old guy being a douche


By the way, I have a hardbound copy of your encyclopedia. Awesome!
 
2012-07-02 08:43:07 PM  

Shostie: Link


From that link: The punk rockers arrived in unconventional dress, wearing makeup and sporting various hair colors. One was wearing a dress decorated with live rats.

WTF?
 
2012-07-02 09:41:31 PM  
I didn't know Jeff owned a restaurant... Huh.
 
2012-07-02 09:41:44 PM  
Old men like to tell you how they live on a fixed income and deserve every discount there is, the cheap bastards: News at 11
 
2012-07-02 09:41:53 PM  

jj325: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

My bad for not reading the article. I'll concur that old man yells at cloud


My thoughts as well. Guy needs a hobby.

/atheist
 
2012-07-02 09:42:37 PM  
Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.
 
2012-07-02 09:43:12 PM  
Well... Athiests are assholes.
 
2012-07-02 09:43:25 PM  
FTA:"He said the complaint against Prudhomme's isn't as much about the actual discount as it is the bigger picture of what his happening in this country. "I'd just be happy to bring this out in the open and get people to reflect a little bit," Wolff said."

OH. *Rolls eyes* He's one of THOSE assholes.
 
2012-07-02 09:44:38 PM  
FTFA: Prudhomme, who does not attend church due to her work schedule, said she told the group she operates an independent restaurant and suggested non church-goers can pick up bulletins from any church and bring them to the restaurant to cash in on the discount.

I like this lady. I hope she wins.
 
2012-07-02 09:45:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Yeah, how dare someone point out something bad about an atheist.

/Put on your big girl panties
 
2012-07-02 09:47:20 PM  
Church Bulletins are free, go to any church, pick one up get and get your damn discount.

This is as stupid as going after "Ladies Night"
 
2012-07-02 09:47:56 PM  

Pockafrusta: Well... Athiests are assholes.


Blanket absolute statements usually are thrown out by assholes...so me thinks this be projection?
 
2012-07-02 09:48:43 PM  
Wow.

Those militant athiests almost make me mad enough to take up religion.
 
2012-07-02 09:48:53 PM  
I don't care what religion you are, if you run a business and you have slow sundays with large churches nearby you get those farking christians in the seats whatever way you have to. You are essentially offering a group discount at that point to a large group with money that you know is already in the area.
 
2012-07-02 09:49:23 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


Sure they do.
They serve crow.
And humble pie.
And THE HOLY BLOOD OF CHRIST ON A CRACKER.
And on Tuesdays, the have a tossed salad at Penn State.
 
2012-07-02 09:51:15 PM  
I am not an Atheist, I am more of a hater of all organized religions yet still believe in a higher being if that makes any sense. When dealing with crap like this you need to ask yourself the following.

1) Are they trying to imposing their beliefs on you or your community?
2) Are they trying to do something unconstitutional?

If the answer to these two questions is no then you need to STFU. There is nothing wrong with promoting ones religion as long as it doesn't infringe on others.
 
2012-07-02 09:51:16 PM  
i like the print out a fake church bulletin option

see if landover baptist has one,
 
2012-07-02 09:51:20 PM  
He said the complaint against Prudhomme's isn't as much about the actual discount as it is the bigger picture of what his happening in this country. "I'd just be happy to bring this out in the open and get people to reflect a little bit," Wolff said.

I believe the Constitution states 'Freedom of Religion'. So, Mr. Wolff, blow it out your arse and mind your own business.
 
2012-07-02 09:52:50 PM  
It's a restaurant, not a government office. F*ck off.

/atheist
 
2012-07-02 09:53:58 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: SilentStrider: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

I know of at least one in the Camp Hill/Mechanicsburg area, so yes.

Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what happens since this particular chain is closed on Sundays because of the chain owner's religious beliefs.

Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?


In-N-Out does. I have never been to the other place.
 
2012-07-02 09:54:00 PM  
I've been to Prudhomes, they're pretty good. They'll also hand you a discount for damn near anything.

CSB:

My wife's family is from that area, and when we were living in California, we went back to visit. Went to Prudhomes. I was wearing a California t-shirt, and they asked if I was from there and visiting the area. When I said yes, they gave me a 15% discount because I was from out of town. I guess being from out of town was better than being a Jesus loving man

/Seriously, they're pretty tasty
//big portions
///split the seafood platter and some roast duck between 6 people, and had leftovers.
 
2012-07-02 09:54:07 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby

Atheists have as much right to be hated as Christians have.


Especially when they're being f*cktards.

/Atheist.
//Should we stop giving discounts to servicemen in uniform too as too pro-war?
///Stop kids eat free promos, too? Encourages overpopulation, donchyaknow.
////How about moms eat free on Mother's Day specials? Too pro...I dunno, Mom?
 
2012-07-02 09:54:15 PM  
FTFA ~ "My interest is in social justice and tolerance..."

/Sounds like a "tolerant" asshole.
 
2012-07-02 09:55:14 PM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


That's funny. I lol'd, but the reality is there are plenty of people in that age range that still have a sharp mind.
 
2012-07-02 09:56:58 PM  

jj325: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

My bad for not reading the article. I'll concur that old man yells at cloud


More like "Old Man Yells at Invisible Sky Bully".
 
2012-07-02 09:58:25 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

That's funny. I lol'd, but the reality is there are plenty of people in that age range that still have a sharp mind.


Not true at all.
 
2012-07-02 09:58:49 PM  

meat0918: Remember age discrimination is wrong, unless it's a senior discount at stake.
And religious discrimination is wrong, unless it's a church bulletin discount at stake.

Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?


www.venganza.org
 
2012-07-02 09:58:53 PM  
www.gonemovies.com

thumbs.anyclip.com

Hey, I demand you start putting some pictures of famous athiests on this wall!
 
2012-07-02 09:59:24 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


This. If I were him, I'd just Google a copy of a church bulletin, print it, and get the discount.

Next thing you know, someone will file a complaint against In-N-Out Burger for printing Bible verses on wrappers and cups.
 
2012-07-02 10:00:05 PM  
Would it be ok to offer a 10% discount for whites?
 
2012-07-02 10:00:33 PM  
I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"
 
2012-07-02 10:01:19 PM  
It's not about federal constitutional matters. I imagine Pennsylvania has a civil rights act like most other states that addresses discrimination of customers in places of service like hotels and restaurants based on race, religion etc. But I doubt this would be a violation of such act.

/love to see the "atheists are assholes" hypocrites out en force in these threads
 
2012-07-02 10:01:47 PM  
If this is illegal, then so is "ladies night" at your favorite bar or club. Be careful what you wish for.
 
2012-07-02 10:02:39 PM  

Aarontology: You claim to be all about Jesus, get your discounted po'boy then go the hell home.


Well, that's what most Christians do.
 
2012-07-02 10:03:17 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


By pointing out that the atheist is being a douchebag?

Seriously?

Oh, anti-religious bigot on Fark night, gotcha!
 
2012-07-02 10:04:08 PM  
It would take 5 minutes in Publisher, or InDesign, or MSPaint to make an atheist bulletin.
 
2012-07-02 10:04:47 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"


Your hatred against christianity is clouding your judgement.
 
2012-07-02 10:04:49 PM  
All you can eat pasta if you believe in his noodly goodness. Thank you, Flying Spagetti Monster.
 
2012-07-02 10:05:00 PM  

OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.


i950.photobucket.com

I'm sorry, we'll try and remember to skip your house next time.

As for the story... I'll go with "old man yells at cloud" too. Also, as an atheist, that restaurant's policy of giving discounts to churchgoers fills me with an uncontrollable feeling of..."Meh. So what?".
 
2012-07-02 10:05:14 PM  
ftfa: was a devote Catholic

Is that about halfway between being a devoted Catholic and a devout Catholic?
 
2012-07-02 10:05:57 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"


The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.
 
2012-07-02 10:06:28 PM  
As a Buddhist, I have no problem with this policy. Her business is her business. If the guy wants to be suck a farkstick about it, he can open a competing restaurant across the street that doesn't require religious ceremonies for a discount, or that requires customers bring in used dildos.
 
2012-07-02 10:07:38 PM  

Pockafrusta: Well... Athiests are assholes.


Does that usually happen after you say something like that? Cause if it does then maybe its just you. Might wanna reflect on that.

But this guy? Yeah, he's an asshole. Separation of church and state is a two-way street. Its just as much about keeping government out of religion as it is vice-versa. Private business can take the Lord's name in vain all they want to.
 
2012-07-02 10:08:12 PM  
On the one hand, it is illegal under federal law for business to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. On the other hand, she'll take any bulletin regardless of whether or not he went to church. He could probably print up his own -- she seems like she wants anything to bring in the Sunday brunch/lunch crowd. I wonder why he didn't just bring out his AARP card and ask for a senior discount (which is legal)? I'll bet they'd give him one to keep the peace.
 
2012-07-02 10:09:33 PM  
A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

i.imgur.com

Which even though we're all atheists, we were cool with... though we discussed going in with one of these:

http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html

But decided we also weren't big enough arseholes to do that. So, eh.

/at least we actually *eat* there...
 
2012-07-02 10:12:14 PM  

wrs1864: Would it be ok to offer a 10% discount for whites?


This restaurant isn't offering a discount based on any personal characteristic. They are offering a discount on whether or not you are holding a piece of paper.

But to answer your question, colleges and government programs already do exactly that - for blacks - it's called affirmative action. And there has been a lot of legal wrangling over the legality of it.
 
2012-07-02 10:12:52 PM  
So, could the owner simply go to area churches and leave coupons in the church hall for x% off on Sunday?

I mean, if he wants the business and wants to support religion, isn't that essentially the equivalent?

I mean, a mandate isn't a mandate if it's a tax, right? I just learned that this week.

Just asking.
 
2012-07-02 10:14:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Wolff, who said he's never been to Prudhomme's, recently filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission

WTF is a "Human Relations Commission", and how fast can I get my teabagging governor to cut its funding?




i.imgur.com
"Oh my, how rude indeed."
 
2012-07-02 10:14:48 PM  
Pennsylvania Human Rights Act

SECTION 5. Unlawful Discriminatory Practices.
It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or in the case of a fraternal corporation or association, unless based upon membership in such association or corporation, or except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania: ...

(i) For any person being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any public accommodation, resort or amusement to:

(1) Refuse, withhold from, or deny to any person because of his race, color, sex, religious creed, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, either directly or indirectly, any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges of such public accommodation, resort or amusement.

(2) Publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail, either directly or indirectly, any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user, or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, or that the patronage or custom thereat of any person, belonging to or purporting to be of any particular race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, is unwelcome, objectionable or not acceptable, desired or solicited.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:16 PM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?


You see, folks, this fella gets it. Bravo.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:33 PM  

FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.


He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.
 
2012-07-02 10:16:46 PM  
And the reason I post this is to remind you dumbasses talking about ladies night that if you insist your own dickfisted hand be given a free drink too, you can demand that.

No, this is not a big deal, but it's not an entirely meritless claim.
 
2012-07-02 10:17:43 PM  

FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in


I came here to say pretty much this as I am also an atheist. I was, however, a waiter in college and must say that people who came in on Sunday after church for breakfast or ice cream or whatever hardly ever tipped at all, they were roundly hated by people like me (college people working their way through school) and carreer waitresses who went to church. They were even cheaper than high school kids out on a date who hadn't learned to tip yet and by far the most willing to complain customers we had.
 
2012-07-02 10:18:02 PM  

FloydA: Di Atribe: He's not grumpy because he's an atheist, he's grumpy because he's old. You don't HAVE to eat there & even if you do, you don't HAVE to use the discount. What's the savings there? A dollar, maybe?

Frankly, it really is a genius marketing idea.

"The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

THANK YOU peace be upon her


It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!


For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint...

ernieputto.de

/staying
/finishing my coffee
 
2012-07-02 10:18:31 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


That's the big difference between non-believers and believers. When an atheist acts like an asshat over his non-belief, other atheists won't hesitate to call them out on it.

doglover: There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.


What makes you think we haven't had quite a few?
 
2012-07-02 10:19:06 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Pennsylvania Human Rights Act

SECTION 5. Unlawful Discriminatory Practices.
It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice, unless based upon a bona fide occupational qualification, or in the case of a fraternal corporation or association, unless based upon membership in such association or corporation, or except where based upon applicable security regulations established by the United States or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania: ...

(i) For any person being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any public accommodation, resort or amusement to:

(1) Refuse, withhold from, or deny to any person because of his race, color, sex, religious creed, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, either directly or indirectly, any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges of such public accommodation, resort or amusement.

(2) Publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail, either directly or indirectly, any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physical handicap of the user, or because the user is a handler or trainer of support or guide animals, or that the patronage or custom thereat of any person, belonging to or purporting to be of any particular race, color, religious creed, sex, ancestry, national origin or handicap or disability, or to any person due to use of a guide or support animal because of the blindness, deafness or physic ...


What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?
 
2012-07-02 10:19:16 PM  

FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.


You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:29 PM  

Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?


That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:49 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Good. Who gives a rat's wet asshole if this restaurant offers a discount to people who bring in church bulletins? They're allowed to do that. They could even put up a sign that says "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed" and you still can't do jack or shiat about it. It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

Just find a church, grab a bulletin, and get your precious 10% discount if it means that much to you, you whiny little chucklefark.


While I agree with you, like farker Sensei said in the second post "Why does everyone feel the need to mind everyone else's business?". Unfortunately, these busybodies have gotten enough politicians and judges to agree with their social engineering programs it just encourages everyone with an agenda and too much free time.
 
2012-07-02 10:19:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


I'm an atheist and think the guy's being a dick. Of course, outside of a few jokes only brought up if somebody else brings up religion, I keep quiet about it.

Government endorsing religion = forbidden. Private person/company doing so, but not discriminating during hiring process and such = meh.
 
2012-07-02 10:20:57 PM  

AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?


See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.
 
2012-07-02 10:23:01 PM  

safeforwork: A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Why only Sunday?

Gee, I wonder...
 
2012-07-02 10:23:40 PM  

HotWingAgenda: used dildos


I think the health department would have an issue with that. :-D
 
2012-07-02 10:25:39 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


1,000x times this.

There's plenty of bullshiat that we atheists have to put up with. Legitimate stuff -- people evangelizing to our children or trying to ban teaching evolution or making unpaid attendance at a work-organized Bible study mandatory. Get pissed about that shiat. Not a couple bucks of at a restaurant YOU DON'T EVEN farkING GO TO.
 
2012-07-02 10:26:14 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


We got us an internet sex god atheist

p://www.fark.com/comments/7193032/77827590#c77827590" target="_blank">MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


We also got us a foul mouthed internet tough atheist.


How many more subspecies can YOU spot in this thread?
 
2012-07-02 10:26:41 PM  

meat0918: Remember age discrimination is wrong, unless it's a senior discount at stake.
And religious discrimination is wrong, unless it's a church bulletin discount at stake.

Would they accept a temple or mosque bulletin for the discount?


Yes, I'm sure they would. I'm also sure that if you took the 30 seconds to print out a page from some humanist website, they'd that that, too.
 
2012-07-02 10:26:56 PM  
But, he said the restaurant's discount for church-goers annoyed him. "My interest is in social justice and tolerance, and I get a little annoyed at all the religiosity," he said.

He is interested in niether tolerance or justice. He's a bully trying to force people to comply to his pet peeves. He's only annoyed because they won't do as he wants. He's a wannabe petty tyrant.

He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago when he became dismayed at the religious right.

I call BS. He's just saying that as a defense and to score poltical points. He's more likely been a angry atheist his entire adult life.
 
2012-07-02 10:27:08 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Salt Lick Steady: Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?

That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.

so all churches are religious?

Link


If you're filing a discrimination suit, you'll generally need to prove an actual incidence of discrimination PLUS the court will make you prove that your religious belief is sincerely held. That can sometimes be a low bar to get over, but there's the short and skinny of it.

And no, again, not all creeds are religious, because lack of religion is indeed a creed.
 
2012-07-02 10:28:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: meat0918: FishyFred: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

Yeah, pretty much. Is this restaurant owned by the state? No? It's a private business? Then buzz off.

/atheist
//bets the people who wait tables at this place LOOOOOVVVVEEE this promotion
///and the tips those church groups bring in

Obligatory "Private business should be allowed to give white person discount then" response.

To be fair, you would have to leave your whiteness at the restaurant, just like your church service program.


Combo restaurant / tanning salon?
 
2012-07-02 10:29:29 PM  

FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.


Especially the mass genocide types .
 
2012-07-02 10:29:38 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.


You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.
 
2012-07-02 10:30:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Apparently they'll let anybody file a complaint with the PHRC. Whoever the hell they are and for all the good it does.

PA law, in general, prohibits discrimination based on race, color, age (40 and over), sex, ancestry, national origin, religion, familial status (only in housing), disability and the use, handling or training of guide or support animals for disability.


Why is 40 the magic age and what is covered? Lots of fail there, Lou.
 
2012-07-02 10:30:47 PM  

JonnyG: People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves


I'm surprised more people here haven't gone after you for this. You are right, and the proof is the existence of the GOP in its current state, and also resistance to evolution and climate responsibility.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


The Butthurt. You'll get over it.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:43 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion


Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.
 
2012-07-02 10:32:44 PM  

AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.

You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.


The 14th amendment - equal protection - applies to the states, genius.
 
2012-07-02 10:33:15 PM  
He said the complaint against Prudhomme's isn't as much about the actual discount as it is the bigger picture of what his happening in this country. "I'd just be happy to bring this out in the open and get people to reflect a little bit," Wolff said.

You poor persecuted thing, you.
 
2012-07-02 10:35:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Wolff, who said he's never been to Prudhomme's, recently filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission

WTF is a "Human Relations Commission"...


A government organization dedicated to giving the relatives/close friends/fark buddies of certain distinguished government officials nice jobs.
 
2012-07-02 10:36:18 PM  
WOOOOO This is where I get to jump on the obvious bandwagon and pretend to be heard!!!!!!

/YEAH MOM, I'M DOWN HEAR STILL, AND BRING MORE CHEETOS
 
2012-07-02 10:37:09 PM  

OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.


Yet you, being someone who doesn't feel the need to discuss it... Oh, wait. You came here and DIDN'T SHUT UP about it.
 
2012-07-02 10:38:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FloydA: Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.

Hah. Walk in dressed as an Arab holding a piece of papyrus covered in Arabic writing, and start ALLAH HU AKBARing. THAT would be fun.


The belt of road flares disguised as dynamite. Don't forget that.
 
2012-07-02 10:39:48 PM  

s2s2s2: Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion

Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.


Start with Wallace v Jaffree

Knock yourself out
 
2012-07-02 10:40:13 PM  
Another example of some people not being happy unless they have something to biatch about.
 
2012-07-02 10:40:15 PM  

safeforwork: A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Which even though we're all atheists, we were cool with... though we discussed going in with one of these:

http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html

But decided we also weren't big enough arseholes to do that. So, eh.

/at least we actually *eat* there...


Dude. My Little Pony? Really?
 
2012-07-02 10:41:01 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: s2s2s2: Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion

Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.

Start with Wallace v Jaffree

Knock yourself out


I wish you guys would make up your mind.
 
2012-07-02 10:41:54 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.


All Chick-fil-A's are closed on Sunday's, per top management order.

They STILL outperform McDonalds on samestore weekly stats.
 
2012-07-02 10:42:09 PM  
One of the drawbacks of evolution is the slow rate of change. I wish I could say that in my lifetime humans will evolve to the point that sky wizard worship is eradicated.

Homosexual marriage hate on a tax-free dime. Don't kill babies, or we'll kill doctors. Evolution denial is the topper. I wish these days would pass.

However, if, as someone suggested above, the discount was for people throwing out bibles on the way in the door, or better yet, some charred gospel pages for a free appetizer, the religious would protest the restaurant into oblivion.

Fair and equal is all atheists want.
 
2012-07-02 10:42:41 PM  
10 % off doesn't sound particularly Christian to me
 
2012-07-02 10:43:48 PM  
As a Godless Atheist, I decry this stupidity.

Freedom from Religion obviously doesn't trump Freedom of Religion. Shut up and leave people to themselves.
 
2012-07-02 10:43:58 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.

You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.

The 14th amendment - equal protection - applies to the states, genius.


You are correct that the 14th amendment applies equal protection to the states (it also incorporates the first amendment). It is also true that if there is an equal protection violation, any state law that allows the violation is unconstitutional unless it passes strict scrutiny. However, this still doesn't answer why you felt the need to post a PA statute which has nothing to do with the equal protection clause.
 
2012-07-02 10:44:50 PM  

davynelson: 10 % off doesn't sound particularly Christian to me


The Jews down the street were only giving 3%.

/just sayin
 
2012-07-02 10:44:53 PM  
Go piss in your own Cheerios, guy.

/atheist
//picks his battles
 
2012-07-02 10:47:23 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: One of the drawbacks of evolution is the slow rate of change. I wish I could say that in my lifetime humans will evolve to the point that sky wizard worship is eradicated.

Homosexual marriage hate on a tax-free dime. Don't kill babies, or we'll kill doctors. Evolution denial is the topper. I wish these days would pass.

However, if, as someone suggested above, the discount was for people throwing out bibles on the way in the door, or better yet, some charred gospel pages for a free appetizer, the religious would protest the restaurant into oblivion.

Fair and equal is all atheists want.


You're free to open your own restaurant and do it.
 
2012-07-02 10:48:08 PM  
My fellow atheists, don't be assholes. Unless they are begging for it.
 
2012-07-02 10:48:27 PM  
"We're the most unprejudiced of all. I don't care if you are purple or polka dot. The only requirement we have is men must wear sleeves," she said.

Freedom from Sleeves Foundation weighed in yet?
 
2012-07-02 10:50:09 PM  
I'm the most militant atheistic atheist that ever atheisted, and I still don't get what the basis would be for this suit.

There is no God. Of that I'm absolutely certain (as certain as I am that there is no Santa Claus). You best not be violating my 1st amendment rights by teaching your religion in my taxpayer funded schools, or I be exercising my 2nd amendment rights on you.

But still, don't see a problem with this.
 
2012-07-02 10:50:19 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.


Irrelevant. No one is required to believe in God/the church/whatever to get this discount, only to carry a piece of paper. No one is turned away for the nature of their beliefs, or lack thereof, only for their lack of a piece of paper. The woman even says outright that atheists are welcome to grab a program from any church and get the discount, too. She doesn't give a rat's ass about someone's beliefs, she's just trying to get people into her restaurant.

If that's discrimination, so is passing on a discount only to people who clipped coupons from the local paper.
 
2012-07-02 10:50:19 PM  
Okay, that's it. I'm no longer calling myself an atheist. I'm just a guy. A guy who happens not to believe in all that nonsense, and by "all that nonsense", I'm throwing in atheism as well.

//Fark you, Atheism!
 
2012-07-02 10:50:34 PM  

AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.

You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.

The 14th amendment - equal protection - applies to the states, genius.

You are correct that the 14th amendment applies equal protection to the states (it also incorporates the first amendment). It is also true that if there is an equal protection violation, any state law that allows the violation is unconstitutional unless it passes strict scrutiny. However, this still doesn't answer why you felt the need to post a PA statute which has nothing to do with the equal protection clause.


To make it easier for you, just read Wallace v Jaffree mentioned above. In sum, it invalidated a state law allowing for a "moment of silence or prayer" in part based on the principle that lack of religious belief constituted a creed that could be violated by such a state law. In this sense, the matter can be construed as both a first and a fourteenth amendment issue; states cannot pass laws that respect religious beliefs over lack of religious beliefs.
 
2012-07-02 10:50:43 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.

That's funny. I lol'd, but the reality is there are plenty of people in that age range that still have a sharp mind.


Not this guy, if that were the case, then he would know that Prudhomme's is not the government.
 
2012-07-02 10:52:01 PM  
If you biatch and cry about your religious beliefs, and demand other people satisfy your desires, you are a religion.
Join the band, Godless assholes.
 
2012-07-02 10:52:25 PM  

AbbeySomeone: FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.

He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.


I agree. This is a stupid fight that was started by a senile old guy. Even though I agree with him that "god" is made up and religion is a bunch of nonsensical superstition, I agree with you that he should probably just sit the hell down and go back to watching Matlock. The restaurant has every right to give discounts to the superstitious people if they want to; it's their business. Atheists can just have all you can eat brunch someplace else if it really bothers them.



andyfromfl:

You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.



RY28:

Especially the mass genocide types .



Name a dictator who had people killed because they were not atheists.

Stalin had people killed because they were not Stalinists, although the Russian Orthodox church persisted through the Stalin era, so you can't use him as an example.

Mao had people killed because they were not Maoists, but Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, and many "folk" religions persisted in China during and after Mao's reign, so he's also not an example.

You might be able to make an argument that Pol Pot tried to eliminate religion in Kampuchea, although given the fact that the Khmer Rouge used religion as one of their primary categories for classifying people, it would be a tough argument to make.

So, given the fact that you can't use Stalin or Mao, and the use of Pol Pot is at best, tenuous, your argument that "atheism is the cause of genocide" is on rather shaky footings.

Unless you have some other examples that you would like to present of people who killed others because they were not atheists.

I'd be happy to hear of them, if you have examples.
 
2012-07-02 10:54:51 PM  

shoegaze99: Irrelevant. No one is required to believe in God/the church/whatever to get this discount, only to carry a piece of paper. No one is turned away for the nature of their beliefs, or lack thereof, only for their lack of a piece of paper. The woman even says outright that atheists are welcome to grab a program from any church and get the discount, too. She doesn't give a rat's ass about someone's beliefs, she's just trying to get people into her restaurant.

If that's discrimination, so is passing on a discount only to people who clipped coupons from the local paper.


Did you even read the statutes I posted? No, being required to have a current church bulletin even though you don't attend such a church is not valid (and neither is advertising as such). An atheist professing a sincerely held belief in atheism should not be required to steal or copy a religious bulletin, to essentially pretend to be religious, in order to obtain the discount.

And no, it's not of the likes of someone not clipping a coupon; coupons are not religious in nature.
 
2012-07-02 10:55:20 PM  

jayphat:

Dude. My Little Pony? Really?


Yes. Powered by nvidia, intel core2 duo, intel core i5, AMD X2, and ponies. :D

(Windows 7 is also (C)2010 Hasbro...)
 
2012-07-02 10:55:43 PM  

muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: One of the drawbacks of evolution is the slow rate of change. I wish I could say that in my lifetime humans will evolve to the point that sky wizard worship is eradicated.

Homosexual marriage hate on a tax-free dime. Don't kill babies, or we'll kill doctors. Evolution denial is the topper. I wish these days would pass.

However, if, as someone suggested above, the discount was for people throwing out bibles on the way in the door, or better yet, some charred gospel pages for a free appetizer, the religious would protest the restaurant into oblivion.

Fair and equal is all atheists want.

You're free to open your own restaurant and do it.


Not the point. Not at all.

I am well aware of what I am free to do. The point is that these terrorists** that live among us (tax free, no less) feel that strength in numbers excuses their mass stupidity. Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I could not give less of a fark about 10 cents off their shiatty salad bar. It's the fact that the religious do and say what they want because the opposing voice is taboo.

**far from a troll attempt; define the word and prove me wrong.
 
2012-07-02 10:56:52 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.


It's not much of a question. Current bulletin, current coupon, same damn thing. You're not required to be a church-going Christian to get the discount, nor are you required to believe in God. You're only required to turn in the slip of paper that qualifies you for the discount -- just like a coupon. No coupon, no discount.

FTA:

Prudhomme, who does not attend church due to her work schedule, said she told the group she operates an independent restaurant and suggested non church-goers can pick up bulletins from any church and bring them to the restaurant to cash in on the discount.

You'd have to s t r e t c h pretty damn far to call this discrimination. If it is, so are coupons, not to mention dozens of other promotions like this.
 
2012-07-02 10:56:54 PM  
Meh... as I see it, the problem is not that he's an atheist, but an asshole...
 
2012-07-02 10:56:55 PM  
Excellent differential pricing strategy be the owner of the diner!

It's very similar to the "Jack Benny Platter" deal. They don't offer that discount because they respect and admire senior citizens, they do it because, statistically, the elderly are more price sensitive - so they can pull them in with a discount, but still charge the younger people the higher price.

I feel bad for their wait staff, though. They are getting stiffed regularly on these days, you can be sure.
 
2012-07-02 10:56:59 PM  

AsprinBurn: Okay, that's it. I'm no longer calling myself an atheist. I'm just a guy. A guy who happens not to believe in all that nonsense, and by "all that nonsense", I'm throwing in atheism as well.

//Fark you, Atheism!


OK, Charles Manson was a white guy. I am officially declaring that I'm no longer white because that one guy was an asshole.

//Fark you, white people!

Oh wait, that sounds kind of stupid, doesn't it? Never mind.
 
2012-07-02 10:59:04 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Did you even read the statutes I posted? No, being required to have a current church bulletin even though you don't attend such a church is not valid (and neither is advertising as such). An atheist professing a sincerely held belief in atheism should not be required to steal or copy a religious bulletin, to essentially pretend to be religious, in order to obtain the discount.

And no, it's not of the likes of someone not clipping a coupon; coupons are not religious in nature.


Hmm, you seem to be a fundamentalist when it comes to "statutes."

Perhaps they are your own little book of scripture and we'll be damned if anything is going to shake you from your convictions.

Maybe you should get a group together on Sunday mornings and start publishing your own newsletter, a "bulletin" perhaps?
 
2012-07-02 10:59:18 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: Salt Lick Steady: AKTurkey: What's your point? Remind me again, which religious creed are atheists?

See my post above. The federal courts have long determined that lack of a religious creed IS a creed for the purpose of religious discrimination laws.

You cite a PA statute and then claim federal courts have determined lack of a religious creed IS a creed. Hey, that's awesome, but state courts own the interpretation of state statutes. Now I'm not saying that the federal constitution doesn't include a protection which trumps any state law or that PA courts haven't interpreted lack of religious creed to be a creed (who knows, west law it if you want), but your post makes no sense.

The 14th amendment - equal protection - applies to the states, genius.

You are correct that the 14th amendment applies equal protection to the states (it also incorporates the first amendment). It is also true that if there is an equal protection violation, any state law that allows the violation is unconstitutional unless it passes strict scrutiny. However, this still doesn't answer why you felt the need to post a PA statute which has nothing to do with the equal protection clause.

To make it easier for you, just read Wallace v Jaffree mentioned above. In sum, it invalidated a state law allowing for a "moment of silence or prayer" in part based on the principle that lack of religious belief constituted a creed that could be violated by such a state law. In this sense, the matter can be construed as both a first and a fourteenth amendment issue; states cannot pass laws that respect religious beliefs over lack of religious beliefs.


Still not seeing why you listed the state law and I have read Wallace v Jaffree in Con Law my first year at Michigan Law.
 
2012-07-02 10:59:27 PM  
What a farking douchebag. As an Atheist I fully support this PRIVATE BUSINESS on this one. Sure, their religious discount program would make me want to go someplace else, but that is what free enterprise is about. They are free to give discounts and I am free to go someplace else if I do not like that.

As for the ash-hole's complaint, he will lose in a heartbeat. They are not discriminating against anyone. Besides, most churches that I know have little bins just inside with the weekly programs. If the dude is so hung up on getting 10% off then he can park his car outside a church, run inside, grab a brochure, and go get his farking discount. And if not, someone please buy him some padded pants, because he is suffering from some serious butt hurt.
 
2012-07-02 10:59:31 PM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?


the Phelps klan picketing outside your establishment with their signs?
 
2012-07-02 10:59:43 PM  

FloydA: AbbeySomeone: FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.

He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.

I agree. This is a stupid fight that was started by a senile old guy. Even though I agree with him that "god" is made up and religion is a bunch of nonsensical superstition, I agree with you that he should probably just sit the hell down and go back to watching Matlock. The restaurant has every right to give discounts to the superstitious people if they want to; it's their business. Atheists can just have all you can eat brunch someplace else if it really bothers them.



andyfromfl:

You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.


RY28:

Especially the mass genocide types .


Name a dictator who had people killed because they were not atheists.

Stalin had people killed because they were not Stalinists, although the Russian Orthodox church persisted through the Stalin era, so you can't use him as an example.

Mao had people killed because they were not Maoists, but Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, and many "folk" religions persisted in China during and after Mao's reign, so he's also not an example.

You might be able to make an argument that Pol Pot tried to eliminate religion in Kampuchea, although given the fact that the Khmer Rouge used religion as one of their primary categories for classifying people, it would be a tough argument to make.

So, given the fact that you can't use Stalin or Mao, and the use of Pol Pot is at best, tenuous, your argument that "atheism is the cause of genocide" is on rather shaky footings.

Unless you have some other examples that you would like to present of people who killed others because they were not atheists.

I'd be happy to hear of them ...


Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. "Just because we ask you to put your faith in the state and not God and kill you if oppose, guy".

Link


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

I thought you Atheists were supposed to be much smarter than everyone else? Stop pretending your shiat has never stank.
 
2012-07-02 11:00:03 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: An atheist professing a sincerely held belief in atheism should not be required to steal or copy a religious bulletin, to essentially pretend to be religious, in order to obtain the discount.


You don't have to steal anything. They're there for the public to take. And you don't have to pretend anything, either. You're not being quizzed on your beliefs. You're turning in a freely available slip of paper. No more, no less.

And no, it's not of the likes of someone not clipping a coupon; coupons are not religious in nature.

Neither is turning in a slip of paper, if the paper has no meaning to you.
 
2012-07-02 11:00:37 PM  
Atheist are going to hell.
 
2012-07-02 11:01:01 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: strength in numbers excuses their mass stupidity


So now we're talking about getting a discount for wearing a Colt's jersey?
 
2012-07-02 11:01:22 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Breaking: Christians find, complain about one atheist who's approximately as bigoted as many of them are. News at 10!!
 
2012-07-02 11:01:37 PM  

shoegaze99: You'd have to s t r e t c h pretty damn far to call this discrimination. If it is, so are coupons, not to mention dozens of other promotions like this.


No. Again, coupons are NOT religious in nature. It's not a matter of having a slip of paper; it's a matter of having a religious slip of paper.

And no, this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint if it can be shown that failure to have the piece of paper does not disqualify you from having the discount and you can prove to the court a sincerely held belief in atheism.
 
2012-07-02 11:01:59 PM  
they're a private business, they should be able to do whatever the hell they want. this guy is a tard.


he's never even been to the restaurant?
tard x2
 
2012-07-02 11:02:58 PM  

doctor wu: Atheist are going to hell.


To hear them biatch you'd think theu already were in hell.
 
2012-07-02 11:03:03 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.


Perhaps we can assemble everyone who doesn't agree with you in one place?

Concentrate them, you know? In one place? We can call it a Camp of Concentration!

We will call you the Father... no too religious, what is that in German? That might work...
 
2012-07-02 11:03:19 PM  

Godscrack: Good. Hope she wins.


really? why on earth would you hope that?
 
2012-07-02 11:03:28 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.


I rest my case.
 
2012-07-02 11:03:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FloydA: Marcus Aurelius:
I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Interesting idea. Better yet, find some of the Subgeniuses or Discordians at Allbright or Harrisburg Area Comm. Coll. (there are always some) and whip up some Bob or Eris pamphlets. See if those get you a discount, or if it's only "the right" religions.

Hah. Walk in dressed as an Arab holding a piece of papyrus covered in Arabic writing, and start ALLAH HU AKBARing. THAT would be fun.


I would love to go in with a program from a synagogue and order some crawfish!
 
2012-07-02 11:04:58 PM  

doctor wu: Atheist are going to hell.


and letrole says atheism is a religion. What's your point?
 
2012-07-02 11:05:37 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: And no, this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint if it can be shown that failure to have the piece of paper does not disqualify you from having the discount and you can prove to the court a sincerely held belief in atheism.


Jesus bro, you need to borrow a couple of bucks or something?
 
2012-07-02 11:05:44 PM  

scottydoesntknow: BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.

So they don't work on Sunday cause of Jesus, but Jesús has to work on Sunday.


Jesus is Jewish. He gets Saturday off.
 
2012-07-02 11:06:19 PM  
There is actually settled case law on this base on the Civil Right Act of 1964.

If he sues, if he has standing, he'll win... eventually.
 
2012-07-02 11:06:28 PM  

AKTurkey: Still not seeing why you listed the state law and I have read Wallace v Jaffree in Con Law my first year at Michigan Law.


Wow. I'd hate to have you as a lawyer. Because this is a state law claim under the Pennsylvania human rights act, and states cannot define religious creed by excluding lack of religious creed due to federal law.

Get it now?
 
2012-07-02 11:06:30 PM  
Why is the restaurant trying to accumulate ammunition?
 
2012-07-02 11:07:46 PM  
Atheists need to quit whining about how private companies deal with religion. It's their own damned right to cater to whatever bullshiat they want.

Save the battles for when the government starts forcing religion down peoples throats. Half of the elected officials in this country think "religious freedom" means "worship jesus or die, terrorist" and that's a much bigger threat than some farking restaurant actually exercising freedom of religion properly.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:06 PM  

halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

Perhaps we can assemble everyone who doesn't agree with you in one place?

Concentrate them, you know? In one place? We can call it a Camp of Concentration!

We will call you the Father... no too religious, what is that in German? That might work...


Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:10 PM  

DoctorCal: Why is the restaurant trying to accumulate ammunition?


They actually burn them during the Black Masses they hold on the night of the full moon.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:13 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Good. Who gives a rat's wet asshole if this restaurant offers a discount to people who bring in church bulletins? They're allowed to do that. They could even put up a sign that says "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed" and you still can't do jack or shiat about it. It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

Just find a church, grab a bulletin, and get your precious 10% discount if it means that much to you, you whiny little chucklefark.


Actually, private businesses that are open to the public are not allowed to discriminate based on age, gender, sex, physical handicap, or religion. That is actually a Federal Law. And, being an atheist is protected under the term "religion." So, they could not legally put up a sign saying "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed." And while they are free to refuse service to any customer, they cannot do so because of the person's age, gender, sex, physical handicap, or religion. They can, however, refuse service for just about any other reason.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:18 PM  

Pathman: they're a private business, they should be able to do whatever the hell they want.2


So, a lunch counter with "WHITE ONLY" is just fine in your universe?
 
2012-07-02 11:08:18 PM  

Mock26: What a farking douchebag. As an Atheist I fully support this PRIVATE BUSINESS on this one. Sure, their religious discount program would make me want to go someplace else, but that is what free enterprise is about. They are free to give discounts and I am free to go someplace else if I do not like that.

As for the ash-hole's complaint, he will lose in a heartbeat. They are not discriminating against anyone. Besides, most churches that I know have little bins just inside with the weekly programs. If the dude is so hung up on getting 10% off then he can park his car outside a church, run inside, grab a brochure, and go get his farking discount. And if not, someone please buy him some padded pants, because he is suffering from some serious butt hurt.


i agree with most of this however personally i dont understand why a private business can't discriminate.

i for one wouldn't go eat at a "racist" restaurant. you are free to. i like having that choice. that's what freedom is.

freedom doesn't mean it's the government's job, role or even right to make you a better person.
 
2012-07-02 11:08:39 PM  

JonnyG: RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"

The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.


2/10...you did not address God in the Constitution. For shame it had promise.
 
2012-07-02 11:09:28 PM  

shoegaze99: Neither is turning in a slip of paper, if the paper has no meaning to you.


Who says a religious bulletin has no meaning to an atheist? It may likely have quite a distasteful meaning.

But of course that's not the point in the eyes of the law.
 
2012-07-02 11:10:17 PM  
Yay.

This. Thread. AGAIN.
 
2012-07-02 11:10:42 PM  
As an atheist, I am failing to see the issue here. The owner should be allowed to run their business as they see fit, which includes a church bulletin board discount program. It's not discrimination in any form

Also, all religions (and non-religions) have their factions of assholes
 
2012-07-02 11:12:03 PM  

halfof33: Salt Lick Steady: And no, this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint if it can be shown that failure to have the piece of paper does not disqualify you from having the discount and you can prove to the court a sincerely held belief in atheism.

Jesus bro, you need to borrow a couple of bucks or something?


Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:07 PM  

FloydA: Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint,



i understand your point, but to me these two sentences contradict each other.
that business that you have identified as private should be free to refuse service to whomever the hell they want.

as for the bing bong in the article:
tfa
He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago when he became dismayed at the religious right.

so he lost his own beliefs because of how other people chose to believe? this guy sounds like an all around dumbass.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:20 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

 
2012-07-02 11:13:32 PM  

muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.


Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.
 
2012-07-02 11:13:40 PM  
I wonder how many of the "private businesses can do whatever" posters equally apply that saying to the crazies that interfere with abortion clinics. At least the old guy isn't trying the kill the owner. Give it a few months and the guy will probably forget where he is most of the time.

/At least it's not one of those ADA abusers that extort businesses they've never been to
 
2012-07-02 11:13:58 PM  
He can go eat somewhere else if he doesn't like it.

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


Exactly.
 
2012-07-02 11:14:49 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.


What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.
 
2012-07-02 11:16:25 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.


Thanks, bro i got plenty. You seem to need something? Perspective perhaps?
 
2012-07-02 11:17:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


It's not like the atheists miss an opportunity to fan the flames of hatred against theists.

Or the Boy Scouts of America.
 
2012-07-02 11:18:04 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: this likely wouldn't be a valid discrimination complaint


Correct. It's not discrimination to say that people with the freely available magic discount coupon get a discount while those who don't present the freely available magic discount coupon do not. Like if they only ran ads in a religious newspaper, for instance, and offered coupons in that paper only. That's not discrimination, since anyone can use those coupons regardless of their beliefs. All you need is the paper so you can get the freely available magic discount coupon.

I'm glad we agree on something. Cheers!
 
2012-07-02 11:19:25 PM  

RY28: FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.

Especially the mass genocide types .


Plenty of Athiests support mass genocide.
 
2012-07-02 11:19:53 PM  
Wolff said he was born a German Jew and was a devote Catholic from age 10 to 16. He said he became an atheist about 15 years ago...

This explains why he is such a pushy asshole. He learned at an early age.
 
2012-07-02 11:20:13 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Aren't atheists usually the one's doing the fanning? Like in this case?
 
2012-07-02 11:20:41 PM  
I would want to see how American authorities would respond to this one.
 
2012-07-02 11:21:04 PM  
Jesus man. Go farking sure your local municipality for their unconstitutional tax cuts for churches, not this private business crap.
 
2012-07-02 11:21:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


This
 
2012-07-02 11:21:43 PM  
From the sound of the lady in the article, does anyone here think that if this guy had actually gone to the restaurant and demanded the discount even though he didn't have a program, he WOULDN'T have gotten it? They would have given him the 10% just to get him to shut the fark up.

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I could not give less of a fark about 10 cents off their shiatty salad bar. It's the fact that the religious do and say what they want because the opposing voice is taboo.


So, if I get what you're saying correctly, you want to be able to persecute people based on their beliefs? What would you do if they didn't want to give up their faith? I have an idea, you could could take the people who won't agree with you and make them march down the street in funny clothes, and then light them on fire, so you can show everyone who won't fall into line with your way of thinking what happens to them! That's a great and original idea!

And I can see how "taboo" the opposing voice is. The religious police are dragging you down to church right now, aren't they? Forcing you to be silent about what you think. I see how hard it must bee for you.

Seriously, that post was about as bigoted as any of the vilest filth that ever poured out of a televangelist's or Hamas imam's lips.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:37 PM  

FloydA: AbbeySomeone: FloydA: Sensei Can You See: he's another no-life-haver

FriarReb98: the stick up that atheist's butt must have a stick up its butt.


He's 80. Being grumpy for no good reason is his duty.

He's bored and lonely and working out his own issues with childhood religious abuse. That said, he should f*ck off and find another activity.

I agree. This is a stupid fight that was started by a senile old guy. Even though I agree with him that "god" is made up and religion is a bunch of nonsensical superstition, I agree with you that he should probably just sit the hell down and go back to watching Matlock. The restaurant has every right to give discounts to the superstitious people if they want to; it's their business. Atheists can just have all you can eat brunch someplace else if it really bothers them.



andyfromfl:

You might throw some of the last century's dictators in that extreme atheists category.


RY28:

Especially the mass genocide types .


Name a dictator who had people killed because they were not atheists.

Stalin had people killed because they were not Stalinists, although the Russian Orthodox church persisted through the Stalin era, so you can't use him as an example.

Mao had people killed because they were not Maoists, but Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, and many "folk" religions persisted in China during and after Mao's reign, so he's also not an example.

You might be able to make an argument that Pol Pot tried to eliminate religion in Kampuchea, although given the fact that the Khmer Rouge used religion as one of their primary categories for classifying people, it would be a tough argument to make.

So, given the fact that you can't use Stalin or Mao, and the use of Pol Pot is at best, tenuous, your argument that "atheism is the cause of genocide" is on rather shaky footings.

Unless you have some other examples that you would like to present of people who killed others because they were not atheists.

I'd be happy to hear of them ...


Not because they were not Athiests, but because they were "subhuman".

Eugenics etc.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:45 PM  

halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.

What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.


If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?
 
2012-07-02 11:22:45 PM  

sillydragon: muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.

Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.


Oh, are you doubting there aren't a bunch of other people out there who think this way? Are you new to Fark? The Webs? To life?

I see though you want to remain willfully ignorant and keep insisting that your beliefs have never had their assholes, including yes, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to name a few.

/You can bring up the crusades and inquisition if it makes you feel better.
 
2012-07-02 11:22:57 PM  

Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?


That could be determined to be hate speech. If someone were to run a special if you desecrate a Tanakh or Quran, it is beyond certainty that it would be considered hate speech in this country. Probably the same with your bible special. So, while not strictly illegal, it would almost certainly open you up to many expensive lawsuits. Try it with Qurans and see what happens.

My best guess is you would simply have no customers because you are obviously a hateful douche, with whom even most militant of atheists don't want to be associated. Again, being a hateful douche isn't illegal, it just means you will go out of business after about a week.


Oh, and BTW - paper bibles generally cost $10 bucks each. So your customers getting $3 off for their $10 investment probably aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree.
 
2012-07-02 11:23:30 PM  

halfof33: Salt Lick Steady: Aw, you're so sweet! And cute. Sure, I'll start a paypal account just for your deposits, but you're responsible for cleaning the trollgunk out of the tubes.

Thanks, bro i got plenty. You seem to need something? Perspective perhaps?


Oh, I just want to pinch your cheeks!

/no not those ones
 
2012-07-02 11:24:40 PM  

JimmyFartpants: This


Lulz, don't accurately report facts that show the anti-religious in a bad light.

Fark you facts and your anti-bigot agenda!

Hee hee!
 
2012-07-02 11:24:50 PM  

wrs1864: Would it be ok to offer a 10% discount for whites?


How about a 10% discount for not being an asshole? I think a lot of places should adopt that policy -- maybe we'd see a return of civility.

/but maybe I'm hoping for too much
 
2012-07-02 11:25:11 PM  
Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.
 
2012-07-02 11:28:32 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: That could be determined to be hate speech.


But telling people they will burn in eternal hell if they don't believe in your imaginary friend is fine isn't it?
 
2012-07-02 11:28:46 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Ah yes, that card.

Yet, without religion, how might that whole thing have gone?

Please. History is riddled with religious conflict. Time to move on as a species.

What card, sport? You think we'd all be flying around in flying hovercrafts or something?

You kind of lost the high ground when you started blathering on about
"abolishing" religious, so don't get to over excited champ, the good news is that most people aren't ready to throw out the first amendment. The better news is that it protects even the most spittle soaked anti-religious, like you.

If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?


Your point that peoples beliefs who don't agree with yours should be abolished? Yeah, some point you have there Mr. KGB.
 
2012-07-02 11:28:51 PM  

MrCrazyInsane: If we are to discuss this, then why not speak to some of my points rather than resorting to personal attacks?


because your wish that all theism be abolished is farking ridiculous.

"ATheism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance."

There I've equally DERp'ed the thread. Why don''t you speak to my points!
 
2012-07-02 11:29:19 PM  

consider this: Another example of some people not being happy unless they have something to biatch about.


This.

The lady even said she's not about promoting religion. She said if anyone showed up with any church bulletin, they'd get the discount. It' s not a case of her DENYING anyone a meal because they DON'T have some bulletin or other.

What she wants, sounds to me like, is more people coming in on Sundays; and people who've been to church and have that useless piece of paper with them (when I was a wee lass forced to go to church, I'd draw all over ours with those little pencils that were also in the pews, for some reason), are a good target. She's not even demanding any proof that it's YOUR church bulletin. Show her a bulletin, get your freaking discount.

After all this mess, I wouldn't blame her if she stopped giving anyone anything but the mandated discounts, which there aren't any.
 
2012-07-02 11:32:05 PM  

whatshisname: But telling people they will burn in eternal hell if they don't believe in your imaginary friend is fine isn't it?


I didn't say that. As I said, it isn't strictly illegal. You have the right to not patronize the business of anyone who tells you that.
 
2012-07-02 11:33:06 PM  

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.


I for one will now be going to Reddit for people not giving your post more attention.

static.progressivemediagroup.com

"Why carnt they be smart. wrike me"?
 
2012-07-02 11:33:40 PM  
How funny would it be if it turned out the complainer and the owner were in cahoots, angling for publicity for the diner?
 
2012-07-02 11:34:03 PM  
I personally really do not care what someone's religion is or what they believe...even though I find it all to be vestiges of superstitions anyway. At the same time I do find it irritating that I am bombarded with Christianity all of the time. I just think your religion should stay in your church, which a lot of religions do. However, I find it extremely annoying when there are Congressmen, Supreme Court Justices (Scalia the most notable) advocating laws that stem directly from their district/state and their own (assuming they are telling the truth) religious superstitions. I find most of thes religious persecution arguments to be laughable.

While not the case here look at those anti-bullying statutes the religious people say it violates their religious freedom to include sexual orientation and they want exemptions. This is nonsense it violates the establishment clause and I just have a hard time giving credence with the freedom argument, when your free to do whatever you want in your church, your just not getting a special A-hole card in public. I think what gets most people is they have a visceral reaction to religious groups getting special rights.
 
2012-07-02 11:35:02 PM  

ImJustaTroll: non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.


Besides military service, all of those are protected classes (age under state law). ?
 
2012-07-02 11:35:26 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


Chick-Fil-A does, yes. They have one at my university (Drexel, in Philly) in the big dining area they put in recently by the residence halls.

Of course, even having gone there in the past and knowing full well how delicious they are, I refuse to give them another dime after having learned that their founder takes the money he earns from the business and gives (some of) it to anti LGBT groups. Not cool.
 
2012-07-02 11:35:37 PM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


I am a Christian but I have to say, I respect the rights of atheists. I don't argue with them because I am secure in my faith. I am not the kind of person that gets bent out of shape with "Merry Christmas" versus "Happy Holidays" because I am aware that a lot of people celebrate different holidays. I dont get my panties in a bunch about removing crosses and christmas trees and stuff cuz it's just symbolism and to me, what matters is in my heart. Ten commandments on a judicial building, get them off of there. It doesn't matter to me.

BUT, filing a suit like this smacks of "some people need to mind their own business." It is kind of a dick move. Seriously. They need to get a life. They are free to get a circular and use it. It is no different than clipping a coupon.

/making folks look bad
 
2012-07-02 11:36:23 PM  
no shoes, no shirt, no service.

Ladies night - he can't change genders THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Senior Discount - he's 80 but I'm not and will have decades to wait for my discount THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Free meal/dessert/muzzles to kids under 12- I don't have kids THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Double Coupons - I don't take the paper and don't get coupons THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:36:23 PM  
There seems to be a new breed of athiest whose entire cognition amounts to getting in peoples faces for a reddit picture pose.

Old school athiests used to profoundly understate their point by simply being more Christ-like than the Christians.
 
2012-07-02 11:36:36 PM  

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.


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2012-07-02 11:36:39 PM  
Just go to a damn church and pick up a bulletin.
They are free, for fark's sake.
 
2012-07-02 11:36:48 PM  
Go to hell atheist! Oops, too late!
 
2012-07-02 11:37:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:37:18 PM  
Reading these threads is like walking past a table full of drunk Philosophy sophomores.
 
2012-07-02 11:38:17 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Salt Lick Steady: And the reason I post this is to remind you dumbasses talking about ladies night that if you insist your own dickfisted hand be given a free drink too, you can demand that.

No, this is not a big deal, but it's not an entirely meritless claim.

interesting

Link


From your link "If you're a business owner, all is not lost. Even in states where Ladies' Night has come under fire, businesses have come up with creative solutions. In Colorado, for example, one club replaced Ladies' Night with "Lipstick Thursdays" where discounts are offered to everyone--male and female--who happens to be wearing lipstick."
Church bulletin is analogous to lipstick. Case dismissed.
 
2012-07-02 11:39:10 PM  

zzrhardy: Old school athiests used to profoundly understate their point by simply being more Christ-like than the Christians.


Most atheists don't have a point to make.
They just live their life without paying any attention whatsoever to religion.
 
2012-07-02 11:40:04 PM  

devildog123: From the sound of the lady in the article, does anyone here think that if this guy had actually gone to the restaurant and demanded the discount even though he didn't have a program, he WOULDN'T have gotten it? They would have given him the 10% just to get him to shut the fark up.

MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I could not give less of a fark about 10 cents off their shiatty salad bar. It's the fact that the religious do and say what they want because the opposing voice is taboo.

So, if I get what you're saying correctly, you want to be able to persecute people based on their beliefs? What would you do if they didn't want to give up their faith? I have an idea, you could could take the people who won't agree with you and make them march down the street in funny clothes, and then light them on fire, so you can show everyone who won't fall into line with your way of thinking what happens to them! That's a great and original idea!

And I can see how "taboo" the opposing voice is. The religious police are dragging you down to church right now, aren't they? Forcing you to be silent about what you think. I see how hard it must bee for you.

Seriously, that post was about as bigoted as any of the vilest filth that ever poured out of a televangelist's or Hamas imam's lips.


No. No, you are not getting what I am saying correctly.

I'm not part of the group that wants to prevent homosexual marriage. (how's that for minding one's own business?)

I'm not part of the group that thinks abortion is wrong (even in the case of rape and incest) and is grounds for justified terroristic acts.

I'm not part of the group that thinks the public school curriculum should not include evolution.

I'm not part of the group that has sects that believe women are inferior.

I'm not part if the group that operates tax-free and largely without oversight.

I'm not part of the group that has spawned more war and death over the course of history then we could ever tally, all in the name of the lord (in whatever form).

Sorry, but the believers are dying out because they are not correct. You can be a good person without a "good book."

Also, hurl the bigot comment. That's so special. I am comfortable in my human being. Fear is what causes religion, and is its trademark. Insults are words of fear.
 
2012-07-02 11:40:25 PM  

muck4doo: sillydragon: muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.

Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.

Oh, are you doubting there aren't a bunch of other people out there who think this way? Are you new to Fark? The Webs? To life?

I see though you want to remain willfully ignorant and keep insisting that your beliefs have never had their assholes, including yes, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to name a few.

/You can bring up the crusades and inquisition if it makes you feel better.


No, I'm not doubting there are people like that around, but you quoting some random guy off of fark as evidence of pretty much anything beyond "Some random guy on Fark.com said..." is pretty silly.

And...wat? I "keep insisting"? Where?
 
2012-07-02 11:40:55 PM  

towatchoverme: Reading these threads is like walking past a table full of drunk Philosophy sophomores.


That is why fark is losing
"subscribers" to something called
Reddit.Which is available on the intraweb
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2012-07-02 11:41:32 PM  
just so you coupon kings know, those church bulletins are plentiful, they'll gladly find you one if you don't see the pile(s).
 
2012-07-02 11:41:40 PM  
I'm as agnostic/atheist/anti-religion as the next guy, and I have no problem with this restaurant. It's no different than giving a discount for bringing in your ticket stub from the ballgame the night before.
 
2012-07-02 11:41:46 PM  
I'm an atheist myself, but folks like this John Wolff of Manheim Twp. are just sad little pricks. What that restaurant is doing is no different than what all the restaurants around the big multiplex/IMAX theater where I live do when they offer a 10% discount with your movie ticket stub.
 
2012-07-02 11:42:12 PM  
Oh FARK YOU, haters.
I don't cry when it's ladies night.
I don't give a crap about Senior Citizen discounts.
Don't like it? Don't eat there.
Buncha crybabies.
 
2012-07-02 11:43:24 PM  

Shostie: Coco LaFemme: It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

That's actually not... entirely true...

Link


this is about a 10% discount...not...a...refuse...service...situation but carry on.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:45:35 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:46:46 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?

That could be determined to be hate speech. If someone were to run a special if you desecrate a Tanakh or Quran, it is beyond certainty that it would be considered hate speech in this country. Probably the same with your bible special. So, while not strictly illegal, it would almost certainly open you up to many expensive lawsuits. Try it with Qurans and see what happens.

My best guess is you would simply have no customers because you are obviously a hateful douche, with whom even most militant of atheists don't want to be associated. Again, being a hateful douche isn't illegal, it just means you will go out of business after about a week.


Oh, and BTW - paper bibles generally cost $10 bucks each. So your customers getting $3 off for their $10 investment probably aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree.


I'd go to the restaurant and do it for the laughs. As far as the cost, let the Gideons bear it ;)

Personally, I think the idea is dumb for a business, but it could be funny as heck to watch. I'd change it to ANY "Holy Book" from any religion for the lulz. Watch the collective uproar!
 
2012-07-02 11:47:32 PM  
ImJustaTroll

your name

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-02 11:47:50 PM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


Poor old guy will be in hell soon. Id be yelling at clouds too.
 
2012-07-02 11:48:02 PM  

sillydragon: muck4doo: sillydragon: muck4doo: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

I rest my case.

Wow, holy shiat. You're right! Your quoting of some random farker named "MrCrazyInsane" is rock solid evidence. This means that Jesus is King, Elvis can suck it, and Dawkins has to write a 6660 word essay on why he's a mean poopyhead.

Oh, are you doubting there aren't a bunch of other people out there who think this way? Are you new to Fark? The Webs? To life?

I see though you want to remain willfully ignorant and keep insisting that your beliefs have never had their assholes, including yes, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to name a few.

/You can bring up the crusades and inquisition if it makes you feel better.

No, I'm not doubting there are people like that around, but you quoting some random guy off of fark as evidence of pretty much anything beyond "Some random guy on Fark.com said..." is pretty silly.

And...wat? I "keep insisting"? Where?


My bad, that wasn't you. It really doesn't have anything to do with religion or "lack thereof". It has to do with authoritarian asshats who want to enforce their beliefs on everyone else. Those come in all creeds, shapes, and sizes.

/Yeah, I called ya fat.
//Look at me, I'm skinny
///It never stopped me from gettin' busy
 
2012-07-02 11:48:54 PM  

halfof33: towatchoverme: Reading these threads is like walking past a table full of drunk Philosophy sophomores.

That is why fark is losing
"subscribers" to something called
Reddit.Which is available on the intraweb
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LOL!
 
2012-07-02 11:48:58 PM  

inglixthemad: I'd go to the restaurant and do it for the laughs. As far as the cost, let the Gideons bear it ;)

Personally, I think the idea is dumb for a business, but it could be funny as heck to watch. I'd change it to ANY "Holy Book" from any religion for the lulz. Watch the collective uproar!


The birth of an internet tough guy
 
2012-07-02 11:51:39 PM  

Zombie DJ: Oh FARK YOU, haters.
I don't cry when it's ladies night.
I don't give a crap about Senior Citizen discounts.
Don't like it? Don't eat there.
Buncha crybabies Crybaby.


Feexed
 
2012-07-02 11:53:20 PM  
Maybe the Restaurant can give a discount for bringing in a copy of "The God Delusion."

Maybe if a person believes in Mammon, He can bring in a copy of the Sunday financial section.
 
2012-07-02 11:54:18 PM  

ImJustaTroll: Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.


Anyone we lose to the Reddit hivemind wasn't worth keeping to begin with.
 
2012-07-02 11:54:20 PM  
I dunno, he could argue that "church" is used in the broad sense and give the discount to people with stuff from mosques/temples/wiccan circles/philosophy lectures/comic conventions/etc too. That could be justifiable.

If he literally means just Christian churches, then yeah, prepare to be lawsuited. That's not how civil rights work, religion falls under protected class so legally this is basically the same as refusing to offer normal-price service to non-white people.

zzrhardy: There seems to be a new breed of athiest whose entire cognition amounts to getting in peoples faces for a reddit picture pose.

Old school athiests used to profoundly understate their point by simply being more Christ-like than the Christians.


WTF are you talking about? Atheists have assholes and good eggs like everyone else. The louder, more obvious Christians are generally among the assholes, too.

We're not inherently any better behaviorally than religious people (well, on average, yeah, but not in a case-by-case way) we're just wrong about a million things humans are usually wrong about instead of a million and one.
 
2012-07-02 11:56:09 PM  

dougputhoff: Maybe the Restaurant can give a discount for bringing in a copy of "The God Delusion."


Maybe the Restaurant can give a discount for bringing in a copy of "The Pietà."
 
2012-07-02 11:58:11 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Hershey Highway Patrol: So what would happen if you offered a discount for everyone who threw a bible in the trash when they walked in?

the Phelps klan picketing outside your establishment with their signs?


So no downside?
 
2012-07-02 11:58:49 PM  

Mock26: Coco LaFemme: Good. Who gives a rat's wet asshole if this restaurant offers a discount to people who bring in church bulletins? They're allowed to do that. They could even put up a sign that says "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed" and you still can't do jack or shiat about it. It's a private business, they can serve or refuse to serve whomever they want. Doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it illegal, either.

Just find a church, grab a bulletin, and get your precious 10% discount if it means that much to you, you whiny little chucklefark.

Actually, private businesses that are open to the public are not allowed to discriminate based on age, gender, sex, physical handicap, or religion. That is actually a Federal Law. And, being an atheist is protected under the term "religion." So, they could not legally put up a sign saying "Atheists/Non-Christians not allowed." And while they are free to refuse service to any customer, they cannot do so because of the person's age, gender, sex, physical handicap, or religion. They can, however, refuse service for just about any other reason.


And the resturant refused sevice to whom...?? What law sets the Federally Mandated Price for a Plate of Chow?

Crimeny: a private business wants to charge different rates. Oh my, the outrage!!11!!!1!!!!111 Bugger off, Grumpy Gus.


Salt Lick Steady: shoegaze99: (snip) No. Again, coupons are NOT religious in nature. It's not a matter of having a slip of paper; it's a matter of having a religious slip of paper. [...]


What quality does a 'religious slip of paper' have to distinguish it from non-reliigous slips? Does anything printed in a church become 'religious'? Are only bullitens religious, or are member mailing lists religious too?? Can any slip of paper with words from a religious text become religious itself, or only slips of paper intended to preserve and record religious teachings?

You're trying very hard, and should get credit for that effort. But the argument that buliitens are being used as de facto coupons is rather compelling. The requirement that they be "current" bolsters this line of reasoning -- meaning a patron could not simply turn in a bulliten from 1962, much like newspaper-clipped coupons are typically printed with an expiration date.

Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.
 
2012-07-02 11:59:22 PM  
Whooooo hooooo!!!! Athiesm thread on night shift is wack!
 
2012-07-03 12:02:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: this is basically the same as refusing to offer normal-price service to non-white people.


It isn't. The discount is not based on whether or not you are a Christian, or whether you do or do not believe, or even whether or not you attend church. It's based on whether or nor you have a freely available, easily-accessible slip of paper.

The woman says straight out that you don't need to be a church-goer to get the discount: Prudhomme, who does not attend church due to her work schedule, said she told the group she operates an independent restaurant and suggested non church-goers can pick up bulletins from any church and bring them to the restaurant to cash in on the discount.

You don't have to attend church. You don't have to believe. You don't have to do anything other than present a flier you can pick up for free all over town. It's nothing at all like refusing discounts to blacks or any other such comparison,
 
2012-07-03 12:02:25 AM  
So it's like the westboro basptisist of atheism?

What irritates me most is not people who don't agree with me, but rather people who are so convinced they have the only possible right answer that it not only is it no longer necessary for them to continue thinking, but they'd invite you to stop as well.

We share this world. Think about it.
 
2012-07-03 12:03:21 AM  
What about churches that don't have bulletins? I bet they would have something to say about this!
 
2012-07-03 12:04:24 AM  
HERO???

Really?
 
2012-07-03 12:04:36 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?


You may be thinking of Cook-Out (or Cook Out or Cookout, the spelling seems inconsistent), a chain of 100 restaurants in the southeastern USA.

'Cookout caters to Christian customers by playing Christian music over the intercom and printing various Bible verses on their cups and bags. Their packaging displays a variety of religious phrases printed, for example, "John 3:16″ and "God Bless America" are printed on the cups, "God Bless the USA" and "Galatians 6:10″ are printed on the french fry bags, and "THANK YOU GOD FOR AMERICA" and "Psalms 119:165″ are printed on the full size bags, but Bible verses vary.'

Their food's pretty good, actually. Bit better than your average burger joint in that part of America.
 
2012-07-03 12:07:36 AM  

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.


Hooray!! I'm in the 33%

/ go me!
 
2012-07-03 12:09:21 AM  

GT_bike: RealAmericanHero: I support any and all efforts against Christianity, whatever those may be. Bravo, 80 year old guy.

/and before you bring it up, I'm equally against all religion, but Christianity is the biggest problem here
//any saying "just let it go" is sort of like saying "just let people spread aids, it's their right"

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


You're on a roll tonight, Biker.

I AM OUTRAGED!!!
 
2012-07-03 12:11:10 AM  

s2s2s2: Salt Lick Steady: That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion

Atheism is a religion. The courts say so. I'm glad you finally proved it*.

*once you provide a citation.


Atheism isn't a religion. However, I'd argue Anti-theism is... meetings and conventions held with some regularity, books that guide thought, a belief that not adhering to a certain viewpoint places your morals in danger of corruption... sounds pretty religious to me.
 
2012-07-03 12:15:31 AM  
"threatens to sue"? He actually filed the complaint with the Human Rights Commission... It uses the states resources to bring the business owner to court.
 
2012-07-03 12:17:29 AM  

Marine1: Atheism isn't a religion. However, I'd argue Anti-theism is... meetings and conventions held with some regularity, books that guide thought, a belief that not adhering to a certain viewpoint places your morals in danger of corruption... sounds pretty religious to me.


Except for that whole "belief in a supernatural being" thing.

Webster or Oxford - it's the definition of religion
 
2012-07-03 12:19:37 AM  

KyDave: Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.


Christ, read the thread. It's not a federal case, and I already said it's not a big deal but that he could plausibly have a case under the PHRA
 
2012-07-03 12:20:04 AM  

whatshisname: Marine1: Atheism isn't a religion. However, I'd argue Anti-theism is... meetings and conventions held with some regularity, books that guide thought, a belief that not adhering to a certain viewpoint places your morals in danger of corruption... sounds pretty religious to me.

Except for that whole "belief in a supernatural being" thing.

Webster or Oxford - it's the definition of religion


Well, maybe I'm using the wrong term. Dogma would be a better description. Anti-theism certainly has a dogma, and ultimately, that's what causes persecution and hatred. They won't admit it, and would love to pass off faith as the cause, but the real cause is dogma.
 
2012-07-03 12:20:48 AM  

BMFPitt: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

That's the big difference between non-believers and believers. When an atheist acts like an asshat over his non-belief, other atheists won't hesitate to call them out on it.

doglover: There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.

What makes you think we haven't had quite a few?


History books.
 
2012-07-03 12:22:31 AM  

OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.


This is why I hate horse enthusiasts. They never, *ever* STFU about their stupid god damn horses.

/relevant
 
2012-07-03 12:22:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?


I don't think I've ever eaten at an In-N-Out Burger, so I thought of Cook-Out first. According to Wikipedia, however, both restaurants do the Bible verse thing.

I would guess that Cook-Out and In-N-Out are similar, but Cook-Out's on the East Coast, and In-N-Out is out West.

Meanwhile, Chik-Fil-A's founder is Southern Baptist, it's closed on Sundays (and Christmas) to promote Christianity, and it's extremely hostile to Islam (and probably any other religious viewpoint that's not Baptist) and homosexuality.

They seem to have backed off this position ever so slightly, however. The original statement was "I was not so committed to financial success that I was willing to abandon my principles and priorities. One of the most visible examples of this is our decision to close on Sunday. Our decision to close on Sunday was our way of honoring God and of directing our attention to things that mattered more than our business." according to Wikipedia.

On their official website, it now says:

"He [Truett Cathy] has often shared that his decision was as much practical as spiritual. He believes that all franchised Chick-fil-A Operators and their Restaurant employees should have an opportunity to rest, spend time with family and friends, and worship if they choose to do so. That's why all Chick-fil-A Restaurants are closed on Sundays."

Interesting.
 
2012-07-03 12:23:52 AM  
I used to go to a place that had free food, but only for Catholics.

Not much food, just little wafers...
 
2012-07-03 12:24:35 AM  
Is their chicken halal?
Kosher?
 
2012-07-03 12:29:22 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Atheist makes ass of himself and a Farker notices and posts an article about it with a snarky comment. That's "fanning the flames of hatred" to you? If you find that people are treating you like you're a hair-trigger hysteric, this is why.
 
2012-07-03 12:31:54 AM  

whatshisname: Marine1: Atheism isn't a religion. However, I'd argue Anti-theism is... meetings and conventions held with some regularity, books that guide thought, a belief that not adhering to a certain viewpoint places your morals in danger of corruption... sounds pretty religious to me.

Except for that whole "belief in a supernatural being" thing.

Webster or Oxford - it's the definition of religion


Except it says "power" not "being"

Anti-theists basic logic and high school science facts have some special change the world's culture. That's a snowball's chance, so they must subscribe to it some supetnatural propert.

Atheists, on the other hand, just don't care to believe in god. They might even go to church events to be sociable. But they're not gonna piss on people's fun out of spite.

So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.
 
2012-07-03 12:32:49 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Subby's not the one filing with the Human Rights Commission, dumbass. That would be the atheist who has never been near this restaurant and goes on to claim "I bear them no ill will." Bullshiat.
 
2012-07-03 12:33:46 AM  

Plastic Trash Vortex: OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.

This is why I hate horse enthusiasts. They never, *ever* STFU about their stupid god damn horses.

/relevant


I'm an equestrian, and what you said about horse owners (especially women) is absolutely true.
 
2012-07-03 12:37:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: /to mennonite: how you make an amish girl happy


I know an atheist who was brought up mennonite.... I think I might sail that one past her next time I see her.

/I'd just avoid the restaurant Sunday afternoon.
//Like I do Chik-fil-a all week.
 
2012-07-03 12:41:37 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.

Christ, read the thread. It's not a federal case, and I already said it's not a big deal but that he could plausibly have a case under the PHRA


{ sarc }
You mean 14th Amendment and SCOTUS citations aside, it's not a Federal Case? Gotcha -- thanks for clarification.
{ /sarc }

/ Also, "Christ, read the thread (...)" warning: Irony Alert !!
// Made me lulz a little
 
2012-07-03 12:43:10 AM  
So ... this is an independently-owned restaurant, the owner of which said she was looking for a way to drum up Sunday dinner sales, took advantage of the many church-goers in her area, and even said that anyone who comes in with a church pamphlet could get a discount, effectively allowing her restaurant to take a dip in dinner sales. There's no infringement upon Separation of Church of State, no one actually must attend church, and now there's another internet Atheists v. Theists war over this. Um, what's the problem again?
 
2012-07-03 12:44:07 AM  

OgreMagi: Plastic Trash Vortex: OgreMagi: Damn atheists are as annoying as vegan. Vegans are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about being a vegan. Atheists are annoying because they NEVER SHUT UP about religion.

/my religion is I don't give a shiat.

This is why I hate horse enthusiasts. They never, *ever* STFU about their stupid god damn horses.

/relevant

I'm an equestrian, and what you said about horse owners (especially women) is absolutely true.


I'm hung like a horse, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

/ Well, quarter horse, anyway.
 
2012-07-03 12:46:00 AM  

ciberido: Bathia_Mapes: Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?

I don't think I've ever eaten at an In-N-Out Burger, so I thought of Cook-Out first. According to Wikipedia, however, both restaurants do the Bible verse thing.

I would guess that Cook-Out and In-N-Out are similar, but Cook-Out's on the East Coast, and In-N-Out is out West.

Meanwhile, Chik-Fil-A's founder is Southern Baptist, it's closed on Sundays (and Christmas) to promote Christianity, and it's extremely hostile to Islam (and probably any other religious viewpoint that's not Baptist) and homosexuality.

They seem to have backed off this position ever so slightly, however. The original statement was "I was not so committed to financial success that I was willing to abandon my principles and priorities. One of the most visible examples of this is our decision to close on Sunday. Our decision to close on Sunday was our way of honoring God and of directing our attention to things that mattered more than our business." according to Wikipedia.

On their official website, it now says:

"He [Truett Cathy] has often shared that his decision was as much practical as spiritual. He believes that all franchised Chick-fil-A Operators and their Restaurant employees should have an opportunity to rest, spend time with family and friends, and worship if they choose to do so. That's why all Chick-fil-A Restaurants are closed on Sundays."

Interesting.


They never gave me a problem and I'm Catholic. Then again, I left a copy of the Koran in the bathroom stall for patrons to use.
 
2012-07-03 12:53:36 AM  
I'd like to see somewhere in 78704 do this with Pride fliers and PFLAG membership cards
 
2012-07-03 12:55:36 AM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: scottydoesntknow: BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.

So they don't work on Sunday cause of Jesus, but Jesús has to work on Sunday.

Jesus is Jewish. He gets Saturday off.


Shabbat starts just before sunset on Friday evening. That's how Jesus rolls.
 
2012-07-03 12:56:24 AM  
So is atheism a religion or not? Let's settle this by seeing what Michael Newdow, America's suingest atheist, has to say: First Atheist Church of True Science explains why atheism is a religion.
 
2012-07-03 12:57:40 AM  

ParaHandy: I'd like to see somewhere in 78704 do this with Pride fliers and PFLAG membership cards


Screw '04. '45 4 lyfe.
 
2012-07-03 01:00:19 AM  
Dear God! Did a professional writer write that?
 
2012-07-03 01:13:42 AM  
So why exactly do they require men to wear sleeves?

Are they worried about armpit hair getting into the food?
 
2012-07-03 01:16:34 AM  

Alicious: So why exactly do they require men to wear sleeves?

Are they worried about armpit hair getting into the food?


It's so employees have a place to store their packs of cigarettes.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-03 01:24:01 AM  
I think this lawsuit would be stupid, but I also would like to point out, if a restaurant did a Mosque discount day, do you think these same Christians would be outraged?

Survey says... YES
 
2012-07-03 01:26:44 AM  

intelligent comment below: I think this lawsuit would be stupid, but I also would like to point out, if a restaurant did a Mosque discount day, do you think these same Christians would be outraged?

Survey says... YES


And they'd be just as wrong, and just as stupid, too. But yeah, that's not a big stretch of the imagination, I don't think.
 
2012-07-03 01:33:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Atheists are some of the most moral people I know.
Christians, not so much.
 
2012-07-03 01:34:15 AM  

doglover: Anti-theists basic logic and high school science facts have some special change the world's culture. That's a snowball's chance, so they must subscribe to it some supetnatural propert.


Not sure if drunk or unable to express derp.

doglover: Atheists, on the other hand, just don't care to believe in god. They might even go to church events to be sociable. But they're not gonna piss on people's fun out of spite.


You can say that about many people with imaginary friends too.

doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.


Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.
 
2012-07-03 01:37:28 AM  

austin_millbarge: Atheists are some of the most moral people I know.


Er, according to what moral code? That's like saying you're not Jewish, but you keep kosher. Even if it's true, who cares?
 
2012-07-03 01:49:18 AM  

intelligent comment below: I think this lawsuit would be stupid, but I also would like to point out, if a restaurant did a Mosque discount day, do you think these same Christians would be outraged?
Survey says... YES


"Jeweler's Gallery, Inc.
We are a family owned and operated retail jewelry store. We have been in business in the upstate for over 38 years. We specialize in bridal and engagement jewelry. We offer a special discount to all Muslims who shop with us!"


Link


Atheists and Christians alike notably un-outraged.
 
2012-07-03 01:55:04 AM  

Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.


If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.
 
2012-07-03 01:56:30 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: intelligent comment below: I think this lawsuit would be stupid, but I also would like to point out, if a restaurant did a Mosque discount day, do you think these same Christians would be outraged?
Survey says... YES


"Jeweler's Gallery, Inc.
We are a family owned and operated retail jewelry store. We have been in business in the upstate for over 38 years. We specialize in bridal and engagement jewelry. We offer a special discount to all Muslims who shop with us!"

Link


Atheists and Christians alike notably un-outraged.



Not the same thing
 
2012-07-03 01:57:42 AM  

safeforwork: A friend came over the other day with a sammich from Firehouse Subs and it had this wrapped around said sammich:


That laptop has SO many CPUs! Including a Central Pony Unit.
 
2012-07-03 02:00:09 AM  

intelligent comment below: ThrobblefootSpectre: intelligent comment below: I think this lawsuit would be stupid, but I also would like to point out, if a restaurant did a Mosque discount day, do you think these same Christians would be outraged?
Survey says... YES


"Jeweler's Gallery, Inc.
We are a family owned and operated retail jewelry store. We have been in business in the upstate for over 38 years. We specialize in bridal and engagement jewelry. We offer a special discount to all Muslims who shop with us!"

Link


Atheists and Christians alike notably un-outraged.


Not the same thing



Lol. No, it's even far more blatant than the restaurant in the article. This place requires you to convert to islam to get the discount.

Admit you put your foot in your mouth and get over it. It happens.
 
2012-07-03 02:08:42 AM  

FloydA: InfamousBLT: There are crazy, stupid extremists on both sides of the fence folks. Plenty of crazy extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheists. The stupid and the crazy doesn't just fall into one neat little pile, unfortunately.

"Extremist atheists" seem to be cranky 80 year old men who complain about stupid things.

Extremist theists hijack planes and crash them into buildings, shoot doctors, and bulldoze people's houses.

Both sides are the same, I guess.


Was Stalin a Christian or Muslim?
 
2012-07-03 02:08:54 AM  

untaken_name: Alicious: So why exactly do they require men to wear sleeves?

Are they worried about armpit hair getting into the food?

It's so employees have a place to store their packs of cigarettes.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 253x380]


He got a tattoo on his arm that say, "Baby." He got another one that just say, "Hey."

"He do a hundred-thirty mile-an-hour, smilin' at the camera with a toothpick in his mouth."

/ My kids (15 & 16) love that
 
2012-07-03 02:25:25 AM  
Submitter, filling a complaint =/= threatening to sue. The article mentions that FFRF filed a suit against the PA legislature for naming 2012 year of the bible, but mentions nothing about anyone suing or threatening to sue the restaurant.
 
2012-07-03 02:37:24 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: Waldo Pepper: Salt Lick Steady: Waldo Pepper: does the discount apply only to Christian churches?

That's not the question as the courts have already determined that lack of religion is, for the purposes of religious discrimination laws, a religion. The question is whether someone proclaiming to be an atheist - who would not have a "current bulletin" - would be denied the discount if requested.

so all churches are religious?

Link

If you're filing a discrimination suit, you'll generally need to prove an actual incidence of discrimination PLUS the court will make you prove that your religious belief is sincerely held. That can sometimes be a low bar to get over, but there's the short and skinny of it.

And no, again, not all creeds are religious, because lack of religion is indeed a creed.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

I have Blessings of Talos, does that count?

Proof? The cooldown for my shouts are down by 20%, lemme show you!
 
2012-07-03 02:41:05 AM  
Link to the relevant law (more or less):

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/phrc_home/18 9 70/public_accommodations_discrimination/725474

No surprise, charging a different price based on religion is indeed illegal in PA.

I don't think that is what is happening here, but I can see how an 80-year-old man with nothing better to do might see it that way.
 
2012-07-03 03:00:22 AM  

ciberido: Bathia_Mapes: Are they the ones who have Bible verses on their drink cups and food wrappers, or is that In-N-Out? Or do both of them do that?

You may be thinking of Cook-Out (or Cook Out or Cookout, the spelling seems inconsistent), a chain of 100 restaurants in the southeastern USA.

'Cookout caters to Christian customers by playing Christian music over the intercom and printing various Bible verses on their cups and bags. Their packaging displays a variety of religious phrases printed, for example, "John 3:16″ and "God Bless America" are printed on the cups, "God Bless the USA" and "Galatians 6:10″ are printed on the french fry bags, and "THANK YOU GOD FOR AMERICA" and "Psalms 119:165″ are printed on the full size bags, but Bible verses vary.'

Their food's pretty good, actually. Bit better than your average burger joint in that part of America.


In-N-Out Burger puts Bible verses on their cups and wrappers too.
 
2012-07-03 03:08:12 AM  
Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck Thank you, subby

FTFY
 
2012-07-03 03:31:44 AM  

FloydA: Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint, but this is just silly. Old guy, foreign born, so he can't be expected to have an understanding of US law.


I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.


There was a case of a Southerner in Georgia who would only sell his property to other Southerners as long as they were not named Sherman. To show that he was not racist, he offered a 10% discount to African-Americans.

The discount was forbidden because it amounted to racial discrimination. The rest was fine -- "Northerners" and "people named Sherman" are not protected groups under law.
 
2012-07-03 03:35:30 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: If this is illegal, then so is "ladies night" at your favorite bar or club. Be careful what you wish for.


I was wondering about that...there is an oil change shop here that has "ladies day" and $7 discounts.
 
2012-07-03 03:40:25 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: BunkyBrewman: Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

Yes.

Last Sunday I passed one of the local Chick-fil-A's on a Sunday. The only people that were working around the restaurant were the landscapers.

All Chick-fil-A's are closed on Sunday's, per top management order.

They STILL outperform McDonalds on samestore weekly stats.


Businesses can take days off whenever they like. If one chooses Sunday, so be it.

Now, if Chik-Fil-A only served Christians on Sunday, or only served non-Christians on Sunday, that would be discrimination.
 
2012-07-03 04:08:47 AM  

G-Rot: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck Thank you, subby

FTFY


You poor persecuted thing, you. Bless your heart.
 
2012-07-03 04:16:36 AM  

Yamaneko2: Now, if Chik-Fil-A only served Christians on Sunday, or only served non-Christians on Sunday, that would be discrimination.


What if they served everyone on Sunday, but only Christians were allowed waffle fries?
 
2012-07-03 04:18:52 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lol. No, it's even far more blatant than the restaurant in the article. This place requires you to convert to islam to get the discount.

Admit you put your foot in your mouth and get over it. It happens.


What?

I was talking about the same restaurant doing a Muslim day as well as a Christian day.

Christians get up in arms about Mosques being built in their cities. That is the type of hypocrisy I am talking about.
 
2012-07-03 04:21:57 AM  
FloydA:

It's not a First Amendment issue, it's a Second Amendment issue!
Her customers have the right to bare arms!

Funniest thing I've read all night.

/logged in just to say that.
 
2012-07-03 04:30:48 AM  
strip club should offer lap dance discount for church bulletins.

/fannin da flames
 
2012-07-03 05:14:56 AM  

JonnyG: The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.


Now you are totataly talking out of your ass.
See, religion is so old that no one can say for sure for what purpose it was created, or even if it was created with a purpose, because a purpose would mean that it was "engineered" by people who knew it was a lie and designed it for the common good.
Nothing tells us that people who created religions weren't believers themselves.
Also, there are and have been tons of religions, so there must have been such and such.
You choosed murder as an example.
This is a very bad example, because when you live in a small group, it is not hard to figure by yourself why murder is bad. Even animals almost never kill adult member of their group.
On the other side, many religions used human sacrifice. Even today, murder rate are higher in the most religious country, and death penalty more common.
I would say religion was invented to control people, but hey, I haven't solid evidence either
 
2012-07-03 05:23:03 AM  
I'm going to create a big farkin' stink next time I see next time I see a free meal (or whatever) for a good school report card. I'll claim that it discriminates against Texans.
 
2012-07-03 05:37:28 AM  
I'll defend your right to be an atheist and whatever, but could you at least try to NOT be an asshole in return?

/Non-believing fundies are just as annoying.
/Next thing you know they'll be walking around in pairs, disrupting your Sunday morning and trying to push books on you.
 
2012-07-03 05:39:40 AM  

the ha ha guy: Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.

If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.


Atheism as a hobby or common thread for a social group? Sure. Atheism as a religion? No, not unless you want to water down the meaning of religion to a level where basically any activity or belief is a religion.

i798.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-03 05:42:39 AM  
So she's saving money by having people bring in a church bulletin instead of printing up coupons.

Nobody said anyone had to actually go to church to get the bulletin, or claim to be any particular religion.

She could just as easily have said to bring in the empty cardboard tube from a roll of paper towels (for recycling purposes).

I got nothing against the old fellow, but he's really not got a case there. If he wants his discount, it should be easy enough to ask a friend to bring him a church bulletin or stop by any church to pick one up. Or even print a fake one.
 
2012-07-03 05:53:52 AM  

On-Off: JonnyG: The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.

Now you are totataly talking out of your ass.


*bunch of sophomoric shiat follows*


I would say religion was invented to control people, but hey, I haven't solid evidence either


/Awesome
//Oh yeah, Adult animals of the same species kill each other all the the time
///Try picking up a National Geographic magazine sometime and not use it like porn
 
2012-07-03 05:56:45 AM  

Baryogenesis: the ha ha guy: Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.

If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.

Atheism as a hobby or common thread for a social group? Sure. Atheism as a religion? No, not unless you want to water down the meaning of religion to a level where basically any activity or belief is a religion.

[i798.photobucket.com image 600x1000]


Don't worry. God has the short bus administrations for those of you who can't understand a damn thing you read.

/And you thought the Genesis crowd was funny for taking everything literally?
 
2012-07-03 05:57:06 AM  

FloydA: AsprinBurn: Okay, that's it. I'm no longer calling myself an atheist. I'm just a guy. A guy who happens not to believe in all that nonsense, and by "all that nonsense", I'm throwing in atheism as well.

//Fark you, Atheism!

OK, Charles Manson was a white guy. I am officially declaring that I'm no longer white because that one guy was an asshole.

//Fark you, white people!

Oh wait, that sounds kind of stupid, doesn't it? Never mind.


Yeah, Manson was even a "hippie", so I shall myself stop being one, no pacifism anymore for me. I'm gona Kill the next guy who annoys me!

More seriously, about this guy, I would say he is just acting like the average bigoted religious.
He actually has a lot more of a point as, say, the people trying to stop Harry Potter, but the irony is lost on the religious.

I wouldn't help him in his petty crusade, there are a lot more useful battles to fight if one feel so inclined.
But don't expect me to apologize for him.
 
2012-07-03 05:58:04 AM  

doglover: There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.


Sure, it's because atheists are jerks and not because there's a significant religious and cultural bias or anything...oh wait...

Atheists, Muslims See Most Bias as Presidential Candidates

Only 54% of Americans would vote for a well qualified atheist as president.
 
2012-07-03 06:02:45 AM  

muck4doo: Baryogenesis: the ha ha guy: Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.

If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.

Atheism as a hobby or common thread for a social group? Sure. Atheism as a religion? No, not unless you want to water down the meaning of religion to a level where basically any activity or belief is a religion.

[i798.photobucket.com image 600x1000]

Don't worry. God has the short bus administrations for those of you who can't understand a damn thing you read.

/And you thought the Genesis crowd was funny for taking everything literally?


Then in all your majestic wisdom, enlighten me. Or would actually articulating a point instead of going for a cheap jab be too mentally taxing for you?
 
2012-07-03 06:03:29 AM  

halfof33: MrCrazyInsane: Theism in all forms needs to be abolished if there is any hope for mankind to advance.

Perhaps we can assemble everyone who doesn't agree with you in one place?

Concentrate them, you know? In one place? We can call it a Camp of Concentration!

We will call you the Father... no too religious, what is that in German? That might work...


FAIL
father in German is Vater
Führer means driver or pilot
The associated religion was to be something like christianism where you replace the bible with "Mein Kampf"
 
2012-07-03 06:20:55 AM  

ImJustaTroll: Ah, 214 comments, which means about 3 people will actually read my comment.

Way to have a retarded comment section, fark.. you just keep losing subscribers to Reddit.

Anyways... I think the restaurant has a right to discriminate based on non-protected classes of people. Age, Military Service, Religion, Student, Women, etc.

Is it fair to everyone? Not really. Is it rustling everyone's Jimmies? Not too much.

I think we need to address the fact that there are like 8 states where atheists don't even have the right to hold public office before we go after some maw and paw food bag.


I downvoted your comment or whatever retarded thing you people do on reddit.
 
2012-07-03 06:30:33 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: In-N-Out Burger puts Bible verses on their cups and wrappers too.


doesn't seem to hurt their business. Meaning most people just don't care. And if you do care, just don't go there. Which is what I have to say about this article, if you don't like the policy of a restaurant, don't go.
 
2012-07-03 06:44:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


It seems like this thread is nothing but "This guy is an idiot", or "This guy is not representative...". That argument never works for Christians.
 
2012-07-03 06:48:37 AM  

doglover: doglover: There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.

What makes you think we haven't had quite a few?

History books.


History books record what Presidents said they believed. You may not be aware of this, but politicians will sometimes lie in order to get elected.

Lying about believing in a god is way less work than marrying a woman someone for the sake of appearances, and there's a long list of gay politicians who have done that.
 
2012-07-03 06:57:47 AM  

exick: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

I was ready to say this too, but then I saw that the dude is 80 and decided to chalk it up to old man yells at cloud.


That and this. Being in the middle of the "Bible Belt", you do your best to tune it out.
 
2012-07-03 06:59:05 AM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name

Totes this.

There's a reason no atheist has been elected president, and it's not because of the Christian voters.

How can we know what a President believes if we can't even tell where he was born?

Christian candidate: God says I should win!

Athiest candidate: I say there's no god!

Winning candidate: Lower taxes, higher miniskirts!


That's a platform I can behind...under...wherever
 
2012-07-03 07:08:52 AM  

muck4doo: On-Off: JonnyG: The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.

Now you are totataly talking out of your ass.

*bunch of sophomoric shiat follows*


I would say religion was invented to control people, but hey, I haven't solid evidence either

/Awesome
//Oh yeah, Adult animals of the same species kill each other all the the time
///Try picking up a National Geographic magazine sometime and not use it like porn


Evidence? Except for some apes clans who wage war on other apes clans, yes, adult animals (I should have précised intelligent mammals) of the same species kill each other very seldom. Fight for the rank among a group seldom end deadly, it is something that only apes and especially humans do.
I'm sorry for you that you had to drop out of school at such a young age as to make my post a "bunch of sophomoric shiat " to you.

Well, I think I'm feeding a troll here, but whatever, I post here to hone my English skills
 
2012-07-03 07:13:22 AM  
I'm surprised that so many people here are jumping on this guy. What this restaurant does is illegal under federal law.

Here is what the lawyers at the FFRF say: Link

Often FFRF will receive complaints from members that a private-owned business in their area is offering a discount to customers who present a church bulletin. These "church bulletin discounts" show up as promotions at a variety of businesses including restaurants or grocery stores for anyone demonstrating their status as a believer or church attendee.

These types of promotions are illegal under federal law. The Civil Rights Act states in relevant part, "All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation . . . without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." 42 U.S.C. §2000a(a). As a place of "public accommodation," it is illegal for restaurants, grocery stores or other businesses to discriminate, or show favoritism, on the basis of religion. Church bulletin discounts are restrictive promotional practices, which favor religious customers and deny customers who do not attend church, and nonbelievers, the right to "full and equal" enjoyment of the restaurant, store or other business.

Church bulletin discounts may also be prohibited under your state's civil rights law, or your city's municipal code and ordinances. Often, the state and local laws contain similar, if not the same, language prohibiting discrimination at places of public accommodation on the basis of religion.

Any promotions should be available to all customers regardless of religious preference or practice on a non-discriminatory basis. No place of public accommodation can advertise- in broadcast (radio or television) or print advertisements (newspapers, church bulletins, etc)- any sort of discount to customers who present a church bulletin. Rather such promotions must be offered to the public at large, and not single out any one religious group. For example, instead of offering a "20% discount to customers with church bulletins on Sunday," a restaurant could advertise, "20%off Sunday brunch."

If you come across a business that is offering a church bulletin discount, you should approach the manager, owner or a supervisor to alert them to the illegality of the practice. You also have the right to ask for the same discount! If you need further assistance to stop this discrimination, please contact FFRF. It is helpful if you forward us a copy of the coupon or advertisement and provide the name and address of the discriminating business.

Written by Rebecca S. Markert, FFRF Staff Attorney


The FFRF very often sends letters to restaurants suggesting they change this practice, and they post the results on their website.

I also found an article about a court case in Maryland: Link In this court case, they ruled that as long as they gave the discount to everybody, whether or not they had a bulletin, it was fine. However, it is illegal to actually require the church bulletin under Maryland law. The ruling doesn't address federal law.

So, all of you people jumping on this guy might want to actually consider what the law says.
 
2012-07-03 07:20:29 AM  
He (Wolff) said the complaint against Prudhomme's isn't as much about the actual discount as it is the bigger picture of what his happening in this country. "I'd just be happy to bring this out in the open and get people to reflect a little bit,"

While I agree with the old guy, the Bigger Picture is he is being an asshat by suing these folks.
 
2012-07-03 07:23:18 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Now suing them because they're closed on Sundays:

"We have chosen to close on the day most widely recognized as a day of rest, in order to allow our employees and customers more time for worship and family. This is a matter of principle for our company owner and officers."
 
2012-07-03 07:30:42 AM  

sniderman: Now suing them because they're closed on Sundays:


Can you see how this is not even remotely the same issue? They're closed for EVERYBODY on Sundays. If they were closed on Sundays except for people who went to church that day, you'd have a point. But they're not, so you don't.
 
2012-07-03 07:36:04 AM  
You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.
 
2012-07-03 07:44:23 AM  

Pockafrusta: Well... Athiests are assholes.


Sometimes.

I'm gonna offer a 50% discount to anyone who spits on this bible...
 
2012-07-03 07:45:16 AM  

Waldo Pepper: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

why not hand in a blank piece of paper saying it is from your atheist church. I would think most servers would think it was funny and accept it.


I bet they would. The idea is to drum up business after all.
 
2012-07-03 07:48:46 AM  

sniderman: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

Now suing them because they're closed on Sundays:

"We have chosen to close on the day most widely recognized as a day of rest, in order to allow our employees and customers more time for worship and family. This is a matter of principle for our company owner and officers."


That is not a reason to sue.

www.notfortourists.com

THIS IS!
 
2012-07-03 08:04:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius:

I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


Iron Hill Fark Party?

Now that Kclinger's is gone, I don't really have a watering hole.
 
2012-07-03 08:07:24 AM  

The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.


They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?
 
2012-07-03 08:10:27 AM  

jack21221: They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?


Why do they have to give you the discount if you don't have the bulletin? What federal law are they breaking?
 
2012-07-03 08:13:21 AM  

The Muthaship: Why do they have to give you the discount if you don't have the bulletin? What federal law are they breaking?


The Civil Rights act, quoted earlier in this thread at least twice. It's also against many state laws, like the Maryland court case I quoted earlier.
 
2012-07-03 08:13:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: FloydA: Private business, not a First Amendment issue. If they were refusing service to atheists, I could understand a complaint, but this is just silly. Old guy, foreign born, so he can't be expected to have an understanding of US law.


I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.

I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.


As long as you bring a church bulletin ...
 
2012-07-03 08:15:44 AM  
FloydA

I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.
I'm sure you'd be as forgiving if some nut with an NRA t-shirt said/did something stupid.
 
2012-07-03 08:16:29 AM  

jack21221: The Muthaship: Why do they have to give you the discount if you don't have the bulletin? What federal law are they breaking?

The Civil Rights act, quoted earlier in this thread at least twice. It's also against many state laws, like the Maryland court case I quoted earlier.


How does it violate the Civil Rights Act if it doesn't discriminate against anyone? Can you link the Maryland case again? Too depressing to read through all this whinging.
 
2012-07-03 08:16:39 AM  

jack21221: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?


The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.
 
2012-07-03 08:19:27 AM  

jack21221: So, all of you people jumping on this guy might want to actually consider what the law says.


Asshattery is asshattery whether or not the law is on your side. Often, it's even worse when the law is on your side.
 
2012-07-03 08:21:46 AM  

Waldo Pepper: jack21221: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?

and taking this case to court would be such a wise use of taxpayers money.

would not the word "church" have to refer to a specific religion?


First of all, "church" has to refer to some religion, not any religion. As has been mentioned before, a lack of religion counts as a "religion" for the purposes of civil rights laws.

Second, how does this cost taxpayers money? The courtrooms would be open for business whether or not this particular case went there.

Third, I cannot understand the thinking that some civil rights violations are okay, as long as they're small and avoidable. If this were a restaurant with a 10% discount for anybody who can prove membership to the KKK, you can bet your ass this would be going to court, and everybody in this thread would be screaming for the restaurant to be shut down. This is even true if black people can join or just print out a fake membership certificate or whatever they hand out. I fail to see how this is any different.
 
2012-07-03 08:23:06 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Of course I have to wonder why an atheist really wants to eat in a place surround by christians. lol.


Maybe they have good food there? I generally find that to be more important than the religious beliefs of my fellow diners when selecting a restaurant.
 
2012-07-03 08:28:46 AM  

jso2897: The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.


Part A is the important part, as was ruled in the Maryland case I quoted earlier. Here's the link I provided earlier in the thread:

Link

And here's the important quote:

"Maryland law does not prohibit the (Suns) from running its church bulletin promotion as long as the promotion is implemented as it was in the Silverman case - without regard to creed and with an offer of reasonable accommodation to those who are unable to produce a bulletin because of their beliefs.

"I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the discriminatory application of a promotion; in the absence of a discriminatory effect, the promotion itself is not per se illegal," Brady wrote.


For your B part, I disagree. People who attend church would have regular access to church bulletins. People who don't attend church very well might not have any idea a) what they are, and b) how and where to get them. I certainly don't. I believe this still counts as discrimination, and at least in Maryland, a judge ruled that "reasonable accommodation" would need to be made for non-religious.

BMFPitt: Asshattery is asshattery whether or not the law is on your side. Often, it's even worse when the law is on your side.


And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery? Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.
 
2012-07-03 08:29:51 AM  

jack21221: Waldo Pepper: jack21221: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?

and taking this case to court would be such a wise use of taxpayers money.

would not the word "church" have to refer to a specific religion?

First of all, "church" has to refer to some religion, not any religion. As has been mentioned before, a lack of religion counts as a "religion" for the purposes of civil rights laws.

Second, how does this cost taxpayers money? The courtrooms would be open for business whether or not this particular case went there.

Third, I cannot understand the thinking that some civil rights violations are okay, as long as they're small and avoidable. If this were a restaurant with a 10% discount for anybody who can prove membership to the KKK, you can bet your ass this would be going to court, and everybody in this thread would be screaming for the restaurant to be shut down. This is even true if black people can join or just print out a fake membership certificate or whatever they hand out. I fail to see how this is any different.


You are confused. The example you selected would be perfectly legal. The Klan is not a religion, and membership or non membership in it is not a protected class. A restaurant can lehally offer a discount that is only for firefighters, Democrats, or Klansmen. They cannot offer one that is only for Christians, women, or black people.
Protected classes - know them, understand them.
 
2012-07-03 08:29:53 AM  
I'm a hardcore atheist and I think THIS GUY is a tool. Let them personally believe what they want to believe. I think they're deluding themselves but then I'm sure they would say the same of me. Let them do their thing; you're NOT helping.
 
2012-07-03 08:34:46 AM  
LOL
someone ought to bounce this over to /r/atheism just so we can watch them devour their young.
 
2012-07-03 08:35:31 AM  

jack21221: jso2897: The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.

Part A is the important part, as was ruled in the Maryland case I quoted earlier. Here's the link I provided earlier in the thread:

Link

And here's the important quote:

"Maryland law does not prohibit the (Suns) from running its church bulletin promotion as long as the promotion is implemented as it was in the Silverman case - without regard to creed and with an offer of reasonable accommodation to those who are unable to produce a bulletin because of their beliefs.

"I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the discriminatory application of a promotion; in the absence of a discriminatory effect, the promotion itself is not per se illegal," Brady wrote.

For your B part, I disagree. People who attend church would have regular access to church bulletins. People who don't attend church very well might not have any idea a) what they are, and b) how and where to get them. I certainly don't. I believe this still counts as discrimination, and at least in Maryland, a judge ruled that "reasonable accommodation" would need to be made for non-religious.


Well, that's where the sketchy nature of TFA leaves us hanging. It would not be unreasonable to require that a person go to a particular place to pick up a coupon for a discount. Now, if that particular place erects barriers to people who do not meet certain religious criteria obtaining that coupon - you have a problem. But, TFA doesn't really answer this - hey, maybe it will wind it's way into the courts, and we'll find out.
 
2012-07-03 08:39:11 AM  

jack21221: jso2897: The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.

Part A is the important part, as was ruled in the Maryland case I quoted earlier. Here's the link I provided earlier in the thread:

Link

And here's the important quote:

"Maryland law does not prohibit the (Suns) from running its church bulletin promotion as long as the promotion is implemented as it was in the Silverman case - without regard to creed and with an offer of reasonable accommodation to those who are unable to produce a bulletin because of their beliefs.

"I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the discriminatory application of a promotion; in the absence of a discriminatory effect, the promotion itself is not per se illegal," Brady wrote.

For your B part, I disagree. People who attend church would have regular access to church bulletins. People who don't attend church very well might not have any idea a) what they are, and b) how and where to get them. I certainly don't. I believe this still counts as discrimination, and at least in Maryland, a judge ruled that "reasonable accommodation" would need to be made for non-religious.

BMFPitt: Asshattery is asshattery whether or not the law is on your side. Often, it's even worse when the law is on your side.

And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery? Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.


So, you also hate ladies nights at the club where they get a discount? Or is that ok since you only hate religious people?

/some are more equal that others?
//dont like it? DONT farkING GO THERE!!!
 
2012-07-03 08:47:50 AM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


This is how a lot of atheists act, always flying off the deep end at the slightest thing. Atheists bother most of the time though, it must be awfully sad to never have faith in anything.

Personally I consider myself an agnostic, I'm not sure God exists but I can't prove it.
 
2012-07-03 08:48:42 AM  

KyDave: Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.

Christ, read the thread. It's not a federal case, and I already said it's not a big deal but that he could plausibly have a case under the PHRA

{ sarc }
You mean 14th Amendment and SCOTUS citations aside, it's not a Federal Case? Gotcha -- thanks for clarification.
{ /sarc }

/ Also, "Christ, read the thread (...)" warning: Irony Alert !!
// Made me lulz a little


Uh, wow. No, it's not a federal case unless. It's a case brought under PA law. The only way it would become a federal case is if PA should interpret it's own law to exclude discrimination against those who are non-religious or atheists.

This isn't hard. You're not helping yourself by showing such extreme ignorance.
 
2012-07-03 08:51:37 AM  

jack21221: And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery?


They're offering a discount to anyone who stops by a church, or who has access to a printer. But either way, it apparently gets them business.

Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.

Going to court over something that hurts nobody is big time asshattery. And if he wins, then people just won't get a discount. You don't get much more asshattish than that.
 
2012-07-03 08:58:29 AM  

BMFPitt: Going to court over something that is against the law hurts nobody is proper big time asshattery. And if he wins, then everyone regardless of religious affiliation gets a discount people just won't get a discount.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-03 09:03:26 AM  

jack21221: jso2897: The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.

Part A is the important part, as was ruled in the Maryland case I quoted earlier. Here's the link I provided earlier in the thread:

Link

And here's the important quote:

"Maryland law does not prohibit the (Suns) from running its church bulletin promotion as long as the promotion is implemented as it was in the Silverman case - without regard to creed and with an offer of reasonable accommodation to those who are unable to produce a bulletin because of their beliefs.

"I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the discriminatory application of a promotion; in the absence of a discriminatory effect, the promotion itself is not per se illegal," Brady wrote.

For your B part, I disagree. People who attend church would have regular access to church bulletins. People who don't attend church very well might not have any idea a) what they are, and b) how and where to get them. I certainly don't. I believe this still counts as discrimination, and at least in Maryland, a judge ruled that "reasonable accommodation" would need to be made for non-religious.

BMFPitt: Asshattery is asshattery whether or not the law is on your side. Often, it's even worse when the law is on your side.

And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery? Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.

Joe Blowme: jack21221: jso2897: The crux here is whether A: You must present the coupon to get the discount, and B: whether you actually have to attend a religious service to obtain it.
If the answer to either of those questions is "no" - he has no case.

Part A is the important part, as was ruled in the Maryland case I quoted earlier. Here's the link I provided earlier in the thread:

Link

And here's the important quote:

"Maryland law does not prohibit the (Suns) from running its church bulletin promotion as long as the promotion is implemented as it was in the Silverman case - without regard to creed and with an offer of reasonable accommodation to those who are unable to produce a bulletin because of their beliefs.

"I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the discriminatory application of a promotion; in the absence of a discriminatory effect, the promotion itself is not per se illegal," Brady wrote.

For your B part, I disagree. People who attend church would have regular access to church bulletins. People who don't attend church very well might not have any idea a) what they are, and b) how and where to get them. I certainly don't. I believe this still counts as discrimination, and at least in Maryland, a judge ruled that "reasonable accommodation" would need to be made for non-religious.

BMFPitt: Asshattery is asshattery whether or not the law is on your side. Often, it's even worse when the law is on your side.

And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery? Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.

So, you also hate ladies nights at the club where they get a discount? Or is that ok since you only hate religious people?

/some are more equa ...


Yup. I used to go to a place that had a ladies' night where women drank for free. Then, someone came along and put a stop to it, since men were being discriminated against. Ruined the fun for everyone, male and female. I'm also reminded of the guy who sued Hooters, since they wouldn't hire him as a waiter.

/Sensitive people are sensitive
 
2012-07-03 09:04:06 AM  
I question this man's convictions, or at least the accuracy of the reporter. They quote him as saying he became an atheist because of disgust with the religious right, but that means his disgust was directed towards people and not the belief in God itself. If his thinking was "There can't be a God because these people are dicks," then it strikes me as a bit flippant. The tale of how he went from a devout catholic to an atheist would have to have more involved than simply disliking the actions of a specific group. Did their actions lead him to inward soul-searching and a questioning of the Bible's legitimacy? Did he come to view the entire religion as a mere artificial tool for the advancement of a powerful minority? I would like to hear more details.

I belong to no religion myself, and strongly dislike the actions of many extremists of all faiths, but I tend to see "religious right" individuals and organizations as acting upon their own interpretations (be they taught or self-learned) of their respective holy texts. Most of these interpretations are so far removed from the simple messages in the texts themselves that it is hard to see how their actions can be legitimized. For example, many extremists feel it is their God-given duty to punish and execute gays and blasphemers despite the fact that the Bible/Qu'ran states God himself will be their judge. By taking God's own tasks upon themselves it strikes me as not only a new blasphemy, but a violation of the various commandments.

I believe it is the various interpretations of the holy texts, though they are written plainly, that is responsible for the hostility, corruption and abuse that atheists love to pin on the religions themselves.

For example, a doctor by the name of Rashad Khalifa (some of you may know of him as the guy who found the alleged mathematical code in the Qu'ran) was a strong believer in the Qu'ran itself as the only source of God's commands. The majority of oppressive laws and dictations that make up Sharia law come from the Hadith, which are said to be books written by Mohammed or others who were observing his sayings and actions. These Hadith are used as aids for interpreting the Quran. Indeed, Mohammed is worshiped in much the same way as Jesus is by Christians - as a messenger, prophet and holy figure second only to God. However, the Qu'ran itself clearly and repetitively commands that believers must not and shall not elevate any other to the same or similar status of God Himself (in fact the Bible says the same). Dr. Khalifa proposed that it was against God's will to worship Mohammed or to consider any additional texts (referred to as "innovations"), since this would be idolatry and in direct violation of God's statement that the Qu'ran, and Qu'ran alone, was his message to man.

These findings were brought about in part due to his mathematical code (bizarrely difficult to disprove and quite interesting to study) finding that two passages in the Qu'ran did not seem to fit in. This, along with other avenues of thought brought about by the basic message of the Qu'ran, led him to dismiss everything except the remaining 99% of the text as God's only true word. The Muslim community, at first in love with this guy for offering his code as supposed proof of the Qu'ran's divination, were outraged by his dismissal of Hadith, Mohammed (going so far as to rewrite the Call to Prayer with an omission of his name) and the two suspicious passages. He was unsurprisingly assassinated by extremists.

That said, if Dr. Khalifa's suppositions were correct, it would indicate that the so-called innovations of men have corrupted the faith to the point where God will recognize almost all of them as unbelievers, and punish them accordingly. An interesting consideration, if nothing else.

This line of thinking could also be directed towards the Bible (which he did, since he accepted it and the Torah as earlier testaments from God prior to the "Final Testament," or Qu'ran). Namely, the worship of Jesus by Christians would classify as idolatry, since not only do Christians elevate Jesus to a God-like status, but they also worship his image and that of the cross.

Of course, atheists will dismiss all of the above as equally hogwash, which is fine. However, I find it interesting to consider that the much-vaunted evil of religion may be entirely due to self-serving interpretations and corruptions of simple men, whereas the texts themselves are largely easy to interpret. My own readings of the Bible and Qu'ran (especially the latter due to almost constant repetition) were pretty straightforward, and I did not feel the need to search deeper for hidden meanings and contexts. Throughout both, God makes his messages and commands very clear and precise. That makes more sense to me as an objective researcher, since if God desired the worship of all of mankind, he would likely make his demands as clear as day.

I won't ramble any further, but I encourage people with even a passing interest in religion (including atheists) to read about Dr. Khalifa's code and his thoughts on God and religion, since they make for very interesting thinking material and discussion.
 
2012-07-03 09:04:15 AM  
Hey it is not like Christians are getting free spaghetti every sunday from FSM. tit for tat.
 
2012-07-03 09:13:16 AM  
Wow, a case of christians actually being persecuted. I say get over it and let them support whatever community they want.
 
2012-07-03 09:17:42 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: And if he wins, then everyone regardless of religious affiliation gets a discount people just won't get a discount.


Smoky Dragon Dish: Yup. I used to go to a place that had a ladies' night where women drank for free. Then, someone came along and put a stop to it, since men were being discriminated against. Ruined the fun for everyone, male and female. I'm also reminded of the guy who sued Hooters, since they wouldn't hire him as a waiter.


According to someone without a bit of common sense, that's not what would happen. All the men must get to drink free, too.
 
2012-07-03 09:21:30 AM  
1) Acquire (all ?) bulletins from area churches.
2) Stand in front of resto with sign describing discount while handing out aforementioned church bulletins to all and sundry.
3) Bask in smugness.
 
2012-07-03 09:28:38 AM  
God dammit atheists. This is why we can't have nice things. Stop being assholes and start being kind, moral, good people who don't believe in a higher power.
 
2012-07-03 09:37:38 AM  

Pattuq: Throughout both, God makes his messages and commands very clear and precise. That makes more sense to me as an objective researcher, since if God desired the worship of all of mankind, he would likely make his demands as clear as day.


As for the bible, no.
You have "you shall not kill", but on the other side many instance of God asking to kill. Mosaic law has death penalty for blaspheme.
As for "the worship of Jesus by Christians would classify as idolatry", yes, Jews woud agree with you on that.
Funnyer fact: I learned that, acording to the dogma of the catholic church, most of the catholics I know are actualy heretics without knowing it - because they don't believe that Mary was a virgin before, after and while Jesus was born, as an example.

And no, this isn't hogwash to all atheist, I, for one, am very interested in this storys. I only wish believers would respect this "you shall not kill" stuff, and not necessarily love their neighbour, but don't hate other for beeing different.

No on to read about this pour guy who was such a fool as to think religion is about searching the truth
 
2012-07-03 09:37:54 AM  

Porous Horace: 1) Acquire (all ?) bulletins from area churches.
2) Stand in front of resto with sign describing discount while handing out aforementioned church bulletins to all and sundry.
3) Bask in smugness.


Don't just "hand them out." You need to sell them for 50 cents per individual, one dollar per family.

Religious people are stupid about money. They'll pay the toll.
 
2012-07-03 09:39:36 AM  

jack21221: For example, instead of offering a "20% discount to customers with church bulletins on Sunday," a restaurant could advertise, "20%off Sunday brunch."


And this is the real problem, and at its root, one of the main reasons so many who aren't believers are quick to anger on these subjects.

If a place of business offered a universal 10% discount on Sunday, they would lose a large portion of the bulletin-generated business. The since of entitlement and wanting to feel special is the driving force for many of those involved.

/raised Southern Baptist, seen plenty of it first hand, and a big reason why I am an opponent of organizational religion.
 
2012-07-03 09:42:10 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: If the restaurant was run by the state I could see there being an issue, but it isn't. It's a privately owned, independent restaurant. Separation of church and state doesn't even factor in.

Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


Actually it does. You can't deny someone service or provide discounts based on religion or gender or other things like that if your business is open to the public. If it were a business by membership only, they could.
 
2012-07-03 09:47:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


Well, to be fair, atheists like the one in the article and the ones we see here on Fark make it extremely hard easy to do so.

Atheists you encounter on the street or in the office can be pretty respectful, engaging and fun to talk to. Online atheists, on the other hand, wow . . . what a bunch of douchebags.
 
2012-07-03 09:50:53 AM  

BMFPitt: Salt Lick Steady: And if he wins, then everyone regardless of religious affiliation gets a discount people just won't get a discount.

Smoky Dragon Dish: Yup. I used to go to a place that had a ladies' night where women drank for free. Then, someone came along and put a stop to it, since men were being discriminated against. Ruined the fun for everyone, male and female. I'm also reminded of the guy who sued Hooters, since they wouldn't hire him as a waiter.

According to someone without a bit of common sense, that's not what would happen. All the men must get to drink free, too.


I have to say that that place I would go to was epic. It was located in a town with an all-woman college. The ratio of men-to-women in that place was easily 1:1, if not 1:2 on ladies night. And it would be packed. Never saw anything like it before, nor anything like it since. But, some self-righteous prick had to come along. I mean, come on... get a life.
 
2012-07-03 09:53:17 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?


I can think of at least three in Philadelphia.
 
2012-07-03 09:56:39 AM  
I've eaten there. It's good food, but it wouldn't get any press if the owner's uncle wasn't famous. (And a Dom Delouise Lookalike.)

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2012-07-03 09:58:11 AM  

This text is now purple: Bathia_Mapes: Having said that, I wonder if this organization has gone after Chick-fil-A yet. Do they even have restaurants in Pennsylvania?

I can think of at least three in Philadelphia.


Chick-fil-A may be an organization run by a cult, but they don't discriminate by having people pay a different amount based on their cult membership status.

So unlike what this woman is doing, they are not breaking any laws.
 
2012-07-03 09:59:02 AM  

chewielouie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby

Well, to be fair, atheists like the one in the article and the ones we see here on Fark make it extremely hard easy to do so.



Is it his respect for the law that makes you mad?
 
2012-07-03 10:04:04 AM  

On-Off: JonnyG: The #1 reason "religion" was created was to unite large groups of people under a common set of morals and beliefs. I dare say that without "religion", we'd be in a lot worse state than we are. Religion is the reason things like murder are illegal. Killing other humans wasn't wrong or taboo until some random guy said it was and people ate it up. Religion is mind control and a necessary one at that. People simply are not capable of thinking for themselves, as is proved by religious followers themselves.

Now you are totataly talking out of your ass.
See, religion is so old that no one can say for sure for what purpose it was created, or even if it was created with a purpose, because a purpose would mean that it was "engineered" by people who knew it was a lie and designed it for the common good.
Nothing tells us that people who created religions weren't believers themselves.
Also, there are and have been tons of religions, so there must have been such and such.
You choosed murder as an example.
This is a very bad example, because when you live in a small group, it is not hard to figure by yourself why murder is bad. Even animals almost never kill adult member of their group.
On the other side, many religions used human sacrifice. Even today, murder rate are higher in the most religious country, and death penalty more common.
I would say religion was invented to control people, but hey, I haven't solid evidence either



The current science leans towards JonnyG's view.
 
2012-07-03 10:10:53 AM  

funzyr: Marcus Aurelius:

I'm not far from there. I might have to walk in with a Playboy centerfold and tell them I'm from the Church of Tits and Ass. See what they say.

Iron Hill Fark Party?

Now that Kclinger's is gone, I don't really have a watering hole.


I miss Kclinger's.
 
2012-07-03 10:23:59 AM  

jj325: People like this need to STFU and quit giving atheists a bad name


This. We need to pick our battles, and this ain't one we need to fight.
 
2012-07-03 10:28:19 AM  

GilRuiz1: The current science leans towards JonnyG's view.


No
This interesting article say we are "wired" to be believers, because we like to have explanations.
The question "are religion created by believers or nonbelievers" isn't even asked.
My position was sometimes yes and somtimes no, and given the thousands of religion that existed we have never heard of, how caould we answer this for sure?
 
2012-07-03 10:40:38 AM  

jack21221: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?


jack21221: Civil


Maybe you should sue your hospital or God for not giving you a penis to go along with your vaj. 'Cause that's not fair.
 
2012-07-03 10:50:23 AM  

jack21221: sniderman: Now suing them because they're closed on Sundays:

Can you see how this is not even remotely the same issue? They're closed for EVERYBODY on Sundays. If they were closed on Sundays except for people who went to church that day, you'd have a point. But they're not, so you don't.


Discriminates against Jewish hourly employees who are cheated out of a potential day of pay.
 
2012-07-03 11:30:33 AM  
The most prophetic book written in the 20th Century, at least vis-a-vis the United States, is Robert Hughes' Culture of Complaint.
 
2012-07-03 11:34:05 AM  
I'm a Unitarian. Half the people at my church on Sunday are athiests.
 
2012-07-03 11:35:33 AM  

asmodeusazarak: I'm a Unitarian. Half the people at my church on Sunday are athiests.


The social aspects of organized religion are a comfort to many. Even some who have outgrown their desire to pretend that the gods exist...
 
2012-07-03 11:36:01 AM  
I don't believe in the supposedly omnipotent, but apparent asshole by lack of ever divine interventioning anything -- but this is just a case of douche bag, forget the religious aspect,
 
2012-07-03 11:39:00 AM  
i want to support catholics but they don't put any prescription painkillers in their wafers
 
2012-07-03 11:40:45 AM  

Beavz0r: I don't believe in the supposedly omnipotent, but apparent asshole by lack of ever divine interventioning anything -- but this is just a case of douche bag, forget the religious aspect,


I know. But once she is forced to comply with the law, she'll cease to be a douchbag and will return to simply being a small-time chef with a well known uncle.
 
2012-07-03 11:43:58 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i want to support catholics but they don't put any prescription painkillers in their wafers


No, they keep that in the priests' penises. It's true! Sometimes it takes a while to get it to come out, though.
 
2012-07-03 11:44:34 AM  

Leeds: Beavz0r: I don't believe in the supposedly omnipotent, but apparent asshole by lack of ever divine interventioning anything -- but this is just a case of douche bag, forget the religious aspect,

I know. But once she is forced to comply with the law, she'll cease to be a douchbag and will return to simply being a small-time chef with a well known uncle.


She truly is history's greatest monster.

Wait until the spittle soaked anti-children crowd hears about her Tuesday night kid's eat free!

And for the spittle soaked anti-booze people, 2 for 1 well drinks night.

And the spittle soaked vegans? 2 for one boneless wings.

the horror. Jack up the outrage machine.
 
2012-07-03 11:45:14 AM  

Dr.Fey: Diners who bring in a current church bulletin receive 10 percent off the purchase of their dinners.

Aren't all U.S. citizens guaranteed a separation of church and plate?


Aaaaaand game over! +10
 
2012-07-03 11:47:22 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: BMFPitt: Going to court over something that is against the law hurts nobody is proper big time asshattery. And if he wins, then everyone regardless of religious affiliation gets a discount people just won't get a discount.

FTFY.


Wait - let me get this straight: You believe that the restaurant owner will be forced to discount his merchandise by a court? Or that he's going to feel like offering a discount to people who took him to court? I mean, religious people are deluded, for sure, but you....WOW. You should go join the Mormons, stat. They need credulous idiots.
 
2012-07-03 11:49:51 AM  

rico567: Dr.Fey: Diners who bring in a current church bulletin receive 10 percent off the purchase of their dinners.

Aren't all U.S. citizens guaranteed a separation of church and plate?

Aaaaaand game over! +10


Hold on one minute- Don't the seedier churches pass a collection plate during services?

// I grew up in a denomination that didn't do that, by the way.
 
2012-07-03 11:52:45 AM  
Privately owned, independent restaurant, owner can implement that rule. He's not being discriminated against or anything. Butthurt Old Dude will get over his feeling of entitlement eventually .. one way or another.
 
2012-07-03 12:01:56 PM  

Leeds: leave this thread to the grownups.


When do they arrive?
 
2012-07-03 12:15:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


My dad is an atheist and thanks to growing up poor son of immigrants is exceedingly careful with his money.

When my mom, brother, and I went to church and often got 10% off for breakfast... he stayed home and made lunches for the next week of work.

You will get over it. The discounts don't phase me and the last time in the past four years I held a bulletin was my cousin's kids' baptism.

/agnostic
 
2012-07-03 12:20:07 PM  
I'm pretty close and have been meaning to try the place out. Need to get my butt up and over the river to try it. They seem to have a lot of discounts I always see them on those half price coupon sites and stuff like that.
 
2012-07-03 12:25:43 PM  

asmodeusazarak: I'm a Unitarian. Half the people at my church on Sunday are athiests.


And there's a Unitarian congregation in Lancaster County; that atheist could pick up a bulletin there, but it seems he prefers to yell at clouds.
 
2012-07-03 01:10:27 PM  

OnlyM3: FloydA

I was surprised at the implication that FFRF was involved, so I checked. They aren't. The guy is a member of FFRF, but this complaint has nothing to do with them. He filed it on his own, without backing or support from FFRF, and it's not mentioned on their website.


I'm sure you'd be as forgiving if some nut with an NRA t-shirt said/did something stupid.


I'm trying to make sense of this comment, but the only way I can see any sense in it is if you are making a chain of very dubious assumptions.

Could you explain precisely what you are trying to say?
 
2012-07-03 01:23:41 PM  

RedVentrue: FloydA:

Name a dictator who had people killed because they were not atheists.



Not because they were not Athiests, but because they were "subhuman".

Eugenics etc.


Eugenics is not an atheist idea, nor were most eugenicists atheists. Nor is bigotry systematically associated with atheism.

If you want to make an argument that atheism is bad because atheists have done bad things in the name of atheism, the eugenics movement does not help. You would have done better to go with Pol Pot; at least some argument can be made there, however tenuous, that atheism was a causal factor in his atrocities.

The reverse is, sadly, not the case. Historically, many people have misused religious beliefs as an inspiration for committing atrocious acts. To my knowledge, nobody has ever been inspired by a lack of belief to do anything.

That's not to say that there are no examples of individual atheists doing horrible things; there are. But it's generally because they were horrible people to begin with and would have done horrible things regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof. A good person who is an atheist will do good things. A bad person who is an atheist will do bad things.

By contrast, religious belief can inspire an otherwise good person to do bad things if he believes that God or the church demands them. An absence of belief cannot inspire a good person to do evil, or to do good, or to make a sandwich, or to do anything at all.
 
2012-07-03 01:34:33 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


10/10
 
2012-07-03 01:46:18 PM  
It makes me so angry that the church down the street from me is blatantly biased against non-Christians. They're always talking about how if you don't do this or that for Jesus you're going to burn for eternity. I think they should lose their non-profit status.
 
2012-07-03 02:38:11 PM  

jso2897: You are confused. The example you selected would be perfectly legal. The Klan is not a religion, and membership or non membership in it is not a protected class.


I guarantee you that a court would see it differently. I'm too lazy to look up examples right now, but court rulings are FULL of instances where businesses tried getting around protections of "protected classes," but were smacked down.
 
2012-07-03 02:58:29 PM  

Baryogenesis: the ha ha guy: Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.

If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.

Atheism as a hobby or common thread for a social group? Sure. Atheism as a religion? No, not unless you want to water down the meaning of religion to a level where basically any activity or belief is a religion.


If non-stamp-collectors went around giving people pamphlets to convince people to destroy all of their stamps, non-stamp-collecting would be approaching religious status. If bald people went around firebombing hair salons and barber shops, bald would be approaching religious status. Since these groups accept the rights of others to exist, and acknowledge that other lifestyle choices are just as valid as their own, they remain solely in the "absence of belief" category.

Religion is not necessarily the belief in a creator diety or higher realm of existence, it's the belief that their way is the ONLY true way, that all other beliefs are wrong, that others must be converted to their belief, and that those who do not convert will or should receive judgment in some manner.

Anti-thiests believe that their way is the only true belief, they believe that all religions are wrong, they try to convert others to their belief, sometimes forcibly, and the more fervent ones will attack those who do follow religion, either physically or symbolically.

Now, what part of anti-thiesm falls outside of the "religion" category?
 
2012-07-03 03:05:34 PM  

the ha ha guy:

Anti-thiests believe that their way is the only true belief, they believe that all religions are wrong, they try to convert others to their belief, sometimes forcibly, and the more fervent ones will attack those who do follow religion, either physically or symbolically.


Could you provide examples of this type of anti-theist? They sound pretty horrible, but I've never seen one.
 
2012-07-03 03:09:48 PM  

jack21221: jso2897: You are confused. The example you selected would be perfectly legal. The Klan is not a religion, and membership or non membership in it is not a protected class.

I guarantee you that a court would see it differently. I'm too lazy to look up examples right now, but court rulings are FULL of instances where businesses tried getting around protections of "protected classes," but were smacked down.


The Klan is not a business. As for how a court would see it, I am pretty sure that they would support the right of a private NON-BUSINESS organization to associate with whomever they want to, much like they did with the Boy Scouts of America back in 2000.
 
2012-07-03 03:11:56 PM  

jack21221: Waldo Pepper: jack21221: The Muthaship: You don't have to go to a church service to get the discount, you just have to swing by and get a bulletin.

Stop whining, it's not helping.

They have to give you the discount even if you don't swing by and get a bulletin. Would you like to respond to the fact that if they didn't, then what they're doing is against federal law?

and taking this case to court would be such a wise use of taxpayers money.

would not the word "church" have to refer to a specific religion?

First of all, "church" has to refer to some religion, not any religion. As has been mentioned before, a lack of religion counts as a "religion" for the purposes of civil rights laws.

Second, how does this cost taxpayers money? The courtrooms would be open for business whether or not this particular case went there.

Third, I cannot understand the thinking that some civil rights violations are okay, as long as they're small and avoidable. If this were a restaurant with a 10% discount for anybody who can prove membership to the KKK, you can bet your ass this would be going to court, and everybody in this thread would be screaming for the restaurant to be shut down. This is even true if black people can join or just print out a fake membership certificate or whatever they hand out. I fail to see how this is any different.


How is this a violation of anyone's civil rights? No one is being denied service at this restaurant.
 
2012-07-03 03:19:40 PM  

the ha ha guy: If non-stamp-collectors went around giving people pamphlets to convince people to destroy all of their stamps, non-stamp-collecting would be approaching religious status. If bald people went around firebombing hair salons and barber shops, bald would be approaching religious status. .


That is activism.
 
2012-07-03 03:23:15 PM  

FloydA: Could you provide examples of this type of anti-theist? They sound pretty horrible, but I've never seen one.


What part do you disagree with?

Do anti-theists believe that other religions may be right? That invalidates their entire purpose.
Do anti-theists refrain from converting others? There are many books on the subject that attempt do exactly that.
Do anti-theists refrain form symbolically or physically attacking others? There are examples in this very thread of people who wish to symbolically attack religion (spit on a holy book). As for physically, just last week I witnessed anti-religion protesters outside of a large religious event who were blocking the entrances and shoving people into the street (they were arrested a few minutes after they arrived, nobody was seriously injured).
 
2012-07-03 03:28:49 PM  

Mock26: The Klan is not a business. As for how a court would see it, I am pretty sure that they would support the right of a private NON-BUSINESS organization to associate with whomever they want to, much like they did with the Boy Scouts of America back in 2000.


I never said the klan was a business! Holy shiat, you're retarded. Pay attention.
 
2012-07-03 03:47:58 PM  
www.bensmash.net
 
2012-07-03 03:48:04 PM  
wow...the level of stupid in this thread is astonishing. The only religious aspect that can even be derived from this is possibly the targeted demographic, which targeting specific demographics is not only common practice but more in line with business standard. Companies do it all the time in advertising (special offers and discounts for children under a certain age anyone?). He didn't even exclude anyone. What he did no different than anyone else offering a discount for people who have a flyer/program/hand stamp/etc from any other event/function/establishment. You dont have to participate in the events. You don't even have to like the events. You just have to have proof that you were there at some point and picked up the item. You could even have a friend go get one (or more if they are smooth enough) and give one to you and you can get the desired discount without even having to do a thing for it yourself. A good example would be offering a discount to anyone who attended Pride and got some proof that you were there. The vast majority of people there will be gay and gay rights supporters yes. But you don't have to be either to attend. You don't have to agree with it. You just have to show that you were there. Fark...the owner of the establishment doesn't really even have to be in support of the functions purpose to offer the discount. The owner may just know that there will be a lot of business generated from people who attented the function greatly boosting sales. Admittedly it could be construed as rather hypocritical but its not illegal.


.....trying to work and post at the same time...sorry if train of thought is a little shaky at times...bumps in the track and all


/choo choo
 
2012-07-03 03:49:44 PM  

the ha ha guy: As for physically, just last week I witnessed anti-religion protesters outside of a large religious event who were blocking the entrances and shoving people into the street (they were arrested a few minutes after they arrived, nobody was seriously injured).


If this had actually happened, I'm pretty sure Fox News would be giving it round the clock coverage. They might now give it a 2-hour special based only on this Fark post, but I'd like to see some credible evidence.
 
2012-07-03 03:56:24 PM  

the ha ha guy: FloydA: Could you provide examples of this type of anti-theist? They sound pretty horrible, but I've never seen one.

What part do you disagree with?

Do anti-theists believe that other religions may be right? That invalidates their entire purpose.
Do anti-theists refrain from converting others? There are many books on the subject that attempt do exactly that.



What I asked for was specific examples. I agree completely that those things you are describing sound pretty bad. What I have not seen is anyone who actually behaves in the way that you are describing.


Do anti-theists refrain form symbolically or physically attacking others? There are examples in this very thread of people who wish to symbolically attack religion (spit on a holy book).


But that's not what you said. You said "...attack those who do follow religion..." not "attack religion."

I'm asking for examples of anti-theists actually attacking people, not anti-theists "symbolically attacking religion." I'm sure that those exist. I'm asking about anti-theists attacking people.



As for physically, just last week I witnessed anti-religion protesters outside of a large religious event who were blocking the entrances and shoving people into the street (they were arrested a few minutes after they arrived, nobody was seriously injured).

OK, now we're getting somewhere. The police reports of the arrests are a matter of public record, and those will provide the names of people and the charges against them. If you'll please give me a link to those police reports, that's exactly the type of evidence I'm requesting. Thank you.
 
2012-07-03 04:59:43 PM  

gingetsu: . What he did no different than anyone else offering a discount for people who have a flyer/program/hand stamp/etc from any other event/function/establishment.


The courts disagree with you. You're entitled to your opinion, but just know that it does not reflect current law.
 
2012-07-03 05:36:06 PM  

evil saltine: Yamaneko2: Now, if Chik-Fil-A only served Christians on Sunday, or only served non-Christians on Sunday, that would be discrimination.

What if they served everyone on Sunday, but only Christians were allowed waffle fries?


profile.ak.fbcdn.net

Intrigued by your question.
 
2012-07-03 06:29:43 PM  

On-Off: Except for some apes clans who wage war on other apes clans, yes, adult animals (I should have précised intelligent mammals) of the same species kill each other very seldom. Fight for the rank among a group seldom end deadly, it is something that only apes and especially humans do.


Ants and lions would like to have a word with you.
 
2012-07-03 06:34:29 PM  

Pattuq: Indeed, Mohammed is worshiped in much the same way as Jesus is by Christians - as a messenger, prophet and holy figure second only to God.


No disrespect to your personal religious beliefs, but you badly mischaracterize modern Christianity. While this was a matter of debate a thousand years ago, mainstream Christianity is quite united on the doctrine that Jesus is not "a messenger, prophet and holy figure second only to God." Jesus IS God to the vast majority of Christians living today.
 
2012-07-03 06:35:21 PM  

jack21221: Mock26: The Klan is not a business. As for how a court would see it, I am pretty sure that they would support the right of a private NON-BUSINESS organization to associate with whomever they want to, much like they did with the Boy Scouts of America back in 2000.

I never said the klan was a business! Holy shiat, you're retarded. Pay attention.


Then why did you use a business not being allowed to discriminate against someone as an example when talking about a private organization?
 
2012-07-03 06:59:02 PM  

Waldo Pepper: so how does kids eat free not violate the law. If I go in with my parents and they pay for their dinners why don't I get to eat free, seems that being over a certain age I'm not entitled to this offer. isn't that against the law?


Age isn't a protected class.

Mock26: Then why did you use a business not being allowed to discriminate against someone as an example when talking about a private organization?


Reread the argument, troll. I was talking about a restaurant being able to discriminate (or not being able to), based on membership to a private organization. NOT the private organization itself discriminating. I'm very sorry that you don't know how to read, but don't start blaming others for your lack of comprehension.
 
2012-07-03 07:03:02 PM  

On-Off: As for the bible, no.
You have "you shall not kill", but on the other side many instance of God asking to kill. Mosaic law has death penalty for blaspheme.


Look, if you want to say that God contradicts Himself in the Bible, fine, there are plenty of books and websites that already say just that, with long lists of examples.

"You shall not kill," however, is not one of them. It's a mistranslation of "א תִּרְצָח (lo tirṣaḥ)." The key word, which you indicate as "kill" is actually "rétzakh" --- murder or, more broadly, "kill illegally" or "kill unjustly." Or "tirṣaḥ", depending on which specific verse you're quoting (The Ten Commandments are listed twice, once in Exodus and once in Deuteronomy), but it also means "murder."

There is a generic word for "kill" in the Hebrew of the time, but it's not in Exodus 20:13 or Deuteronomy 5:17.

On-Off: As for "the worship of Jesus by Christians would classify as idolatry", yes, Jews woud agree with you on that.


This is the key difference between the three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). All three religions worship the "God of Abraham," but they differ on who Jesus and Muhammad were. To Christians, Jesus IS God. To Muslims, Jesus was a prophet, but not the most important one. To Christians, Mohammad was (no offense) a delusional crackpot, however kind and well-intentioned he may have been. Likewise, Judaism see both Jesus and Mohammad as crackpots.
 
2012-07-03 07:17:54 PM  

On-Off: GilRuiz1: The current science leans towards JonnyG's view.

No
This interesting article say we are "wired" to be believers, because we like to have explanations.
The question "are religion created by believers or nonbelievers" isn't even asked.
My position was sometimes yes and somtimes no, and given the thousands of religion that existed we have never heard of, how caould we answer this for sure?


Nah, that's all right. Let him stand, if he's comfortable associating religion with optical illusions, which we are similarly wired for.
 
2012-07-03 08:13:23 PM  

jack21221: gingetsu: . What he did no different than anyone else offering a discount for people who have a flyer/program/hand stamp/etc from any other event/function/establishment.

The courts disagree with you. You're entitled to your opinion, but just know that it does not reflect current law.


I will retract my statement on the legality of the situation, however I still find it rather questionable that laws will disallow a special service through presentation of an item that does not even require participation or association to obtain and is technically capable of accommodating anyone and everyone (in an ideal friendly community, churchgoers would have no problem giving a non-churchgoer a bulletin and such a promotion could more serve to bring the community closer together through friendly interactions among otherwise differing beliefs and opinions. Heck the owner could have differing promotions focused around different groups each time which would bring both deeper involvement and greater knowlege of each others distinct ideals...but I suppose such is not the world we live in is it?...but anyway, I digress). A business can, however offer discounts to members of the clergy, although they tend to often act as ambassadors and mediators for their respective faith and there really is no focused preference. I suppose Im really just over idealistic and futily hope that the world is capable of getting the fark over itself and that people are able to just wait for their turn instead of qq'ing whenever someone else happens to be in line in front of them keeping them from getting their grubby hands on their slice of the pie right then and there.

/end pointless (senseless?) rant
 
2012-07-03 09:10:08 PM  
I particularly enjoy how the more vocal atheists don't miss an opportunity to declare themselves victims.

/many within these very comments.
//entertaining as all hell.
 
2012-07-03 09:11:37 PM  

jack21221: Waldo Pepper: so how does kids eat free not violate the law. If I go in with my parents and they pay for their dinners why don't I get to eat free, seems that being over a certain age I'm not entitled to this offer. isn't that against the law?

Age isn't a protected class.

Mock26: Then why did you use a business not being allowed to discriminate against someone as an example when talking about a private organization?

Reread the argument, troll. I was talking about a restaurant being able to discriminate (or not being able to), based on membership to a private organization. NOT the private organization itself discriminating. I'm very sorry that you don't know how to read, but don't start blaming others for your lack of comprehension.


Troll. Bwahahahahahahahaha! How old are you? 12? 13? Just because someone openly disagrees with you does not mean that they are a troll.

And once again, how is this restaurant discriminating against anyone?
 
2012-07-03 09:22:00 PM  

Mock26: jack21221: Waldo Pepper: so how does kids eat free not violate the law. If I go in with my parents and they pay for their dinners why don't I get to eat free, seems that being over a certain age I'm not entitled to this offer. isn't that against the law?

Age isn't a protected class.

Mock26: Then why did you use a business not being allowed to discriminate against someone as an example when talking about a private organization?

Reread the argument, troll. I was talking about a restaurant being able to discriminate (or not being able to), based on membership to a private organization. NOT the private organization itself discriminating. I'm very sorry that you don't know how to read, but don't start blaming others for your lack of comprehension.

Troll. Bwahahahahahahahaha! How old are you? 12? 13? Just because someone openly disagrees with you does not mean that they are a troll.

And once again, how is this restaurant discriminating against anyone?


Because those bastards won't serve food to people who don't have any money. That is BLATANT financial discrimination.
 
2012-07-03 09:34:08 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Never pass up a chance to fan the flames of hatred against atheists

/f*ck you, subby


*gasp* Subby had a gun to the atheist douchewagon's head? CALL THE COPS!

/Seriously, this guy was a douchebag all on his lonesome. You don't get to magic it away because people don't like atheists. I don't get to magic it away when it's a Pagan, either. Or Muslims. Or any other religion.
//If, as a group, you don't want stuff like this reported, don't do it.
 
2012-07-03 10:55:12 PM  

G-Rot: I particularly enjoy how the more vocal atheists don't miss an opportunity to declare themselves victims.

/many within these very comments.
//entertaining as all hell.


OK, could you point out some specific examples?

I asked earlier, upthread, for examples of atheists who physically assaulted believers, but the person who claimed that this happened never returned to the thread. So now I'll ask you an even easier question. You say that atheists in this thread are claiming to be "victims." It will probably be pretty easy for you to scroll up the thread and find examples, so please do so. I would really like to save those examples for the next time this topic comes up (which it inevitably will).

Please simply quote the examples of atheists in this thread who have declared themselves victims, because then we will have a list of actual examples, so that we can point at them and laugh.

So, which atheists in this thread claimed that they were victims?
 
2012-07-03 11:23:30 PM  

Mock26: And once again, how is this restaurant discriminating against anyone?


It discriminates against people who don't go to church, which IS a protected class.
 
2012-07-03 11:25:31 PM  

FloydA: G-Rot: I particularly enjoy how the more vocal atheists don't miss an opportunity to declare themselves victims.

/many within these very comments.
//entertaining as all hell.

OK, could you point out some specific examples?

I asked earlier, upthread, for examples of atheists who physically assaulted believers, but the person who claimed that this happened never returned to the thread. So now I'll ask you an even easier question. You say that atheists in this thread are claiming to be "victims." It will probably be pretty easy for you to scroll up the thread and find examples, so please do so. I would really like to save those examples for the next time this topic comes up (which it inevitably will).

Please simply quote the examples of atheists in this thread who have declared themselves victims, because then we will have a list of actual examples, so that we can point at them and laugh.

So, which atheists in this thread claimed that they were victims?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-03 11:37:30 PM  

Boatmech:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 392x352]


I've noticed an interesting trend in online discussions" Asking for specific, empirical, unambiguous evidence nearly always has one of two effects:

1) The requested evidence is presented
or
2) The person from whom the evidence was requested vanishes from the thread, and then comes back in the next thread about the same topic and makes the same claims.

I have come to the conclusion that whenever anyone starts talking about the "militant anti-theists," it's best to ask for specific examples.

I never get any, but at least it keeps the threads short.
 
2012-07-03 11:41:20 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.

Christ, read the thread. It's not a federal case, and I already said it's not a big deal but that he could plausibly have a case under the PHRA

{ sarc }
You mean 14th Amendment and SCOTUS citations aside, it's not a Federal Case? Gotcha -- thanks for clarification.
{ /sarc }

/ Also, "Christ, read the thread (...)" warning: Irony Alert !!
// Made me lulz a little

Uh, wow. No, it's not a federal case unless. It's a case brought under PA law. The only way it would become a federal case is if PA should interpret it's own law to exclude discrimination against those who are non-religious or atheists.

This isn't hard. You're not helping yourself by showing such extreme ignorance.


How about, "Fark you.?" then... would that be more clear??

Synopsis:

Some guy - blah blah blah
You - Well, blah blah Federal Constitution blah
Some guy - blah
You - blah blah * blah. * - see Supreme Court citation here (link/wikipedia)
Some guy - blah
You - Blah blah Federal blah
Me - Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.
You - STFU, it's not a Federal case, you nitwit.
Me - I know it isn't, but you've pointed to Federal cases to bolster your argument
You - You're dumb.
Me - (sarc) You mean aside from the Federal cases YOU brought up, it's not Federal? (/sarc)
You - This isn't hard. You're not helping yourself by showing such extreme ignorance
Me - ??? WTF is wrong with this moran (sic)??//???///?/?/?????

To quote some random dumbass on the interweb, "Christ, read the thread."
 
2012-07-03 11:49:07 PM  

BMFPitt: jack21221: And offering a discount only to religious people isn't asshattery?

They're offering a discount to anyone who stops by a church, or who has access to a printer. But either way, it apparently gets them business.

Again, as I've been saying, if they offer the discount to anybody even if they don't have the bulletin, I have no problem with it. If the restaurant sticks to their guns and says "no bulletin, no discount," that's an order of magnitude more asshattery than what this old man is doing.

Going to court over something that hurts nobody is big time asshattery. And if he wins, then people just won't get a discount. You don't get much more asshattish than that.


Additionally, dude in TFA has no idea if they would have offered him the discount w/o a bulletin... he never went there. Kinda of like premptive assumption of discrimination. Seems the burden of proof is on dude to show that they would have denied him the discount if he had actually gone through the trouble of going to the resturant.

Dude - asshat
Defenders of presumptive discrimination - asshats as well
 
2012-07-03 11:50:42 PM  

FloydA: Boatmech:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 392x352]

I've noticed an interesting trend in online discussions" Asking for specific, empirical, unambiguous evidence nearly always has one of two effects:

1) The requested evidence is presented
or
2) The person from whom the evidence was requested vanishes from the thread, and then comes back in the next thread about the same topic and makes the same claims.

I have come to the conclusion that whenever anyone starts talking about the "militant anti-theists," it's best to ask for specific examples.

I never get any, but at least it keeps the threads short.


Would you mind answering a simple question?
r27.imgfast.net
 
2012-07-04 12:39:41 AM  

FloydA: I asked earlier, upthread, for examples of atheists who physically assaulted believers, but the person who claimed that this happened never returned to the thread.


As the person you're referring to, here I am. After you asked for copies of the reports, I got to work tracking don the info. Since this didn't happen in a major city, the police reports aren't posted online, but I have been making phone calls to request copies. As soon as I'm back in town, I'm going to pick up copies of the reports, scan them, and post them on this thread for you and anyone else who wants to view them.

Is that a good enough explanation for my lack of evidence? Or do you seriously expect me to drive ~250 miles round trip, on my days off, just to win a Fark argument?
 
2012-07-04 05:07:05 AM  

the ha ha guy: Baryogenesis: the ha ha guy: Arhu: doglover: So yeah, anti-theism is a religion.

Yeah, and bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby. By your "reasoning", religious missionaries don't belong to the group whose ideas they're spreading.

If people who didn't collect stamps wrote books about their lack of stamp collecting, had discussion boards dedicated to their shared lack of stamp collecting, and held large gatherings all over the world to discuss new ways to not collect stamps, yes, it would be a hobby under virtually every definition of the word.

Atheism as a hobby or common thread for a social group? Sure. Atheism as a religion? No, not unless you want to water down the meaning of religion to a level where basically any activity or belief is a religion.

If non-stamp-collectors went around giving people pamphlets to convince people to destroy all of their stamps, non-stamp-collecting would be approaching religious status. If bald people went around firebombing hair salons and barber shops, bald would be approaching religious status. Since these groups accept the rights of others to exist, and acknowledge that other lifestyle choices are just as valid as their own, they remain solely in the "absence of belief" category.

Religion is not necessarily the belief in a creator diety or higher realm of existence, it's the belief that their way is the ONLY true way, that all other beliefs are wrong, that others must be converted to their belief, and that those who do not convert will or should receive judgment in some manner.

Anti-thiests believe that their way is the only true belief, they believe that all religions are wrong, they try to convert others to their belief, sometimes forcibly, and the more fervent ones will attack those who do follow religion, either physically or symbolically.

Now, what part of anti-thiesm falls outside of the "religion" category?


The part where the helpful image I posted said religions tend to include rules for appropriate behavior, rituals, sacred objects and beliefs in a reality beyond the immediately verifiable.

You've got 1 of 4. The one is "rules for appropriate behavior" but that alone doesn't qualify something as religion. Environmentalists have rules for appropriate behavior, but that doesn't make their socio-political stance a religion unless you want to dilute the meaning to "a passionately held belief". And even if that's the only meaning you want to get across, the word religion would still carry the broader meaning for most other people.

The accusation of atheism (or anti-theism) being a religion is just a lazy insult that's more about riling up people with whom you disagree than it is about providing a meaningful description or comparison.

Anti-theists, as you describe them, could be called bigoted, closed minded and irrationally confident that they're right. Those would be more apt descriptions than just religions. Or to put it another way, not all religious folks try to "convert others to their beliefs, sometimes forcibly", but that's your definition of what makes an anti theist religious. If it doesn't even hold true for people who openly identify as religious then how could that be an effective definition for anyone?

the ha ha guy: Is that a good enough explanation for my lack of evidence? Or do you seriously expect me to drive ~250 miles round trip, on my days off, just to win a Fark argument?


If it's that hard to track down an incident, I'd say the point is essentially correct. As in, militant anti theists are so rare that anyone who genuinely thinks they're a problem should pull their head out of the sand.

Arguing on the internet and writing books doesn't make someone militant, by the way.
 
2012-07-04 08:05:58 AM  

jack21221: Mock26: And once again, how is this restaurant discriminating against anyone?

It discriminates against people who don't go to church, which IS a protected class.


No, it does not. No one is being denied service at the restaurant.
 
2012-07-04 11:05:57 AM  

FloydA: have come to the conclusion that whenever anyone starts talking about the "militant anti-theists," it's best to ask for specific examples.

I never get any, but at least it keeps the threads short.


That is curious, because there are several examples in this thread,

Hit control F "abolish."

See you in the next militant anti-theist thread, here on Fark.
 
2012-07-04 11:17:16 AM  

the ha ha guy: FloydA: I asked earlier, upthread, for examples of atheists who physically assaulted believers, but the person who claimed that this happened never returned to the thread.

As the person you're referring to, here I am. After you asked for copies of the reports, I got to work tracking don the info. Since this didn't happen in a major city, the police reports aren't posted online, but I have been making phone calls to request copies. As soon as I'm back in town, I'm going to pick up copies of the reports, scan them, and post them on this thread for you and anyone else who wants to view them.

Is that a good enough explanation for my lack of evidence? Or do you seriously expect me to drive ~250 miles round trip, on my days off, just to win a Fark argument?



So an army of militant atheists traveled to a very small town that doesn't have a name just to beat up some religious people at an unnamed religious event, but there is no evidence of the event online because it's such a small town that the police don't have a website and there is no newspaper, but you'll be receiving print copies which will sadly arrive immediately after the thread has closed.

OK, that's about as much evidence as I expected.

(The fact that you won't even mention the name of the town was the give-away.)
 
2012-07-04 03:30:39 PM  

KyDave: Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Salt Lick Steady: KyDave: Are there legitamate instances of discrimination due to religious and/or a-religious beliefs? Probably so. Is this one of them, or does it rise to the level of a cause celebre?? I just don't see it. It's a private business trying to increase traffic by altering the price of its goods. Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.

Christ, read the thread. It's not a federal case, and I already said it's not a big deal but that he could plausibly have a case under the PHRA

{ sarc }
You mean 14th Amendment and SCOTUS citations aside, it's not a Federal Case? Gotcha -- thanks for clarification.
{ /sarc }

/ Also, "Christ, read the thread (...)" warning: Irony Alert !!
// Made me lulz a little

Uh, wow. No, it's not a federal case unless. It's a case brought under PA law. The only way it would become a federal case is if PA should interpret it's own law to exclude discrimination against those who are non-religious or atheists.

This isn't hard. You're not helping yourself by showing such extreme ignorance.

How about, "Fark you.?" then... would that be more clear??

Synopsis:

Some guy - blah blah blah
You - Well, blah blah Federal Constitution blah
Some guy - blah
You - blah blah * blah. * - see Supreme Court citation here (link/wikipedia)
Some guy - blah
You - Blah blah Federal blah
Me - Stretching it into a Federal case seems rather petty.
You - STFU, it's not a Federal case, you nitwit.
Me - I know it isn't, but you've pointed to Federal cases to bolster your argument
You - You're dumb.
Me - (sarc) You mean aside from the Federal cases YOU brought up, it's not Federal? (/sarc)
You - This isn't hard. You're not helping yourself by showing such extreme ignorance
Me - ??? WTF is wrong with this moran (sic)??//???///?/?/?????

To quote some random dumbass on the interweb, "Christ, read the thread."


Let me break it down for you:

Me: Here's the PA law under which the case was brought

Some guy: Oh yeah, what do atheists have to do with religious affiliation

Me: Federal law prohibits state law from excluding atheism from the definition of religious affiliation

Some guy: Wha? I'm retarded!

You: Hahaha you said it was a state law case but you cite federal law

Me: Yes, because it's a state law claim and the only way federal matters could trump is if PA would stupidly interpret their law in violation of federal law

You: Your dumb, I win

Me: Sigh. Sure you do buddy.
 
2012-07-04 11:39:23 PM  
Great, so we agree it's not a Federal case. I knew you'd come around.

xoxoxo

/ God bless you
 
2012-07-05 11:24:03 PM  
As I suspected, a day later, no evidence at all.

The "militant atheists" are once again revealed to be figments of the imagination.
[sigh]

At least try to come up with something original.
 
2012-07-05 11:29:27 PM  

Baryogenesis: Then in all your majestic wisdom, enlighten me. Or would actually articulating a point instead of going for a cheap jab be too mentally taxing for you?


...and then ol' muckie high-tailed it out tha thread... what a surprise.
 
2012-07-06 01:36:48 AM  

FloydA: As I suspected, a day later, no evidence at all.

The "militant atheists" are once again revealed to be figments of the imagination.
[sigh]

At least try to come up with something original.


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