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(Politico)   Remember the 13-year-old kid at CPAC 2009 who was going to be the conservative voice for a new generation? Well, he grew up and started thinking for himself. Then guess what happened   (politico.com ) divider line
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2012-07-02 03:45:07 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-02 03:48:29 PM  
He fixes the cable?
 
2012-07-02 03:48:48 PM  
Maher was actually talking about that kid a couple weeks ago on Real Time. Showed a clip of the speech. I was certain the kid would be even more hardcore now

/Proved wrong
 
2012-07-02 03:55:40 PM  
well good for him.
 
2012-07-02 03:57:53 PM  
It was just me saying things I had heard so long from people I thought were interesting and just came to believe for some reason, without really understanding it.

Which is pretty much what we thought it was.
 
2012-07-02 04:06:30 PM  
Sounds like a smart kid with an inquisitive mind. Whatever he does in life, I hope he keeps questioning what he's told.
 
2012-07-02 04:09:03 PM  
 
2012-07-02 04:11:52 PM  
He discovered girls?

/he couldn't fap to Bill O'Reilly forever.
 
2012-07-02 04:16:39 PM  
Maybe there is hope for the youngest among us after all.
 
2012-07-02 04:19:19 PM  
His balls dropped?
 
2012-07-02 04:21:39 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Maybe there is hope for the youngest among us after all.


Absolutely. As the kid pointed out...a 13 year old is basically just parroting what he has heard from his community. He isn't old enough to have really developed critical thinking skills and formed opinions of his own. Myself, and lots of other kids from very conservative backgrounds, manage to evolve beyond that as we get older.
 
2012-07-02 04:25:57 PM  
So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.
 
2012-07-02 04:26:28 PM  

kid_icarus: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Maybe there is hope for the youngest among us after all.

Absolutely. As the kid pointed out...a 13 year old is basically just parroting what he has heard from his community. He isn't old enough to have really developed critical thinking skills and formed opinions of his own. Myself, and lots of other kids from very conservative backgrounds, manage to evolve beyond that as we get older.


some NEVER develop critical thinking skills. That's part of the problem.
 
2012-07-02 04:27:52 PM  

propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.


This.
 
2012-07-02 04:30:33 PM  

kid_icarus: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Maybe there is hope for the youngest among us after all.

Absolutely. As the kid pointed out...a 13 year old is basically just parroting what he has heard from his community. He isn't old enough to have really developed critical thinking skills and formed opinions of his own. Myself, and lots of other kids from very conservative backgrounds, manage to evolve beyond that as we get older.


I was the opposite, myself. I grew up in a suburb of Portland, OR, one of the most liberal cities in the country. Environmentalism especially was big when I was growing up (the Northern Spotted Owl vs. logging debate raged during my youth). I only started my journey towards conservatism around 17 or so. I got a bit extreme about my views and also very vocal. Pissed off some people, impressed some others. Nowadays, my views have softened a bit (I lean more Libertarian than I used to) and I don't get all that vocal about it, having learned some tact.
 
2012-07-02 04:31:03 PM  
Someone with the Obama campaign should get him an invitation to address the Democratic National Convention, just to see what happens.
 
2012-07-02 04:32:07 PM  
What's funny is that almost every reason he gives for his shift is ultimately an insult to CPAC types.

"I've matured."
"I've given it more thought."
"The issues are so complex, you can't just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue."

The larger question is, why does about 25% of the population get stuck at 12 years old with a simplistic view of the world, and never move on?
 
2012-07-02 04:36:56 PM  

abb3w: Someone with the Obama campaign should get him an invitation to address the Democratic National Convention, just to see what happens.


No. There's no reason either side needs to exploit a child for political gain.
 
2012-07-02 04:41:34 PM  

Ambivalence: some NEVER develop critical thinking skills. That's part of the problem.


Or, in Texas, part of the solution.
 
2012-07-02 04:42:28 PM  

propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.


Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.
 
2012-07-02 04:43:11 PM  
Most of today's Republicans have the maturity of a 12 year old, so it makes sense that this kid has gotten over it.
 
2012-07-02 04:44:53 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.

Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.


Well, then he should see an analrapist.
 
2012-07-02 04:50:04 PM  

BKITU: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.

Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.

Well, then he should see an analrapist.


I'd be satisfied if he just blue himself instead.
 
2012-07-02 05:07:16 PM  

kid_icarus: Absolutely. As the kid pointed out...a 13 year old is basically just parroting what he has heard from his community. He isn't old enough to have really developed critical thinking skills and formed opinions of his own. Myself, and lots of other kids from very conservative backgrounds, manage to evolve beyond that as we get older.


And that's why I always laugh at the Idiocracy bellringers. You aren't defined by your parents or your background. You can choose to be whomever you want.
 
2012-07-02 05:11:41 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BKITU: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.

Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.

Well, then he should see an analrapist.

I'd be satisfied if he just blue himself instead.


Away. You forgot to say "away."
 
2012-07-02 05:18:07 PM  

kronicfeld: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BKITU: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.

Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.

Well, then he should see an analrapist.

I'd be satisfied if he just blue himself instead.

Away. You forgot to say "away."


Okay, you know what you do, Angry Drunk Bureaucrat? You buy yourself a tape recorder, you just record yourself for a whole day. I think you're going to be surprised at some of your phrasing.
 
2012-07-02 05:20:41 PM  
"I think it was naive," Krohn now says of the speech. "It's a 13-year-old kid saying stuff that he had heard for a long time.... I live in Georgia. We're inundated with conservative talk in Georgia.... The speech was something that a 13-year-old does. You haven't formed all your opinions. You're really defeating yourself if you think you have all of your ideas in your head when you were 12 or 13. It's impossible. You haven't done enough."

Also: 17.
 
2012-07-02 05:21:20 PM  

propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.


Came to say this.

GN's tax plan was something he came up with at 12, right?
 
2012-07-02 05:22:22 PM  
And no, I don't remember this kid, CPAC 2009, or most of 2009 for that matter.
 
2012-07-02 05:22:57 PM  

simsite9: What's funny is that almost every reason he gives for his shift is ultimately an insult to CPAC types.

"I've matured."
"I've given it more thought."
"The issues are so complex, you can't just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue."

The larger question is, why does about 25% of the population get stuck at 12 years old with a simplistic view of the world, and never move on?


Because thinking for yourself and questioning your surroundings is scary.

Lots of people really like their bubbles - a safe place where they can convince themselves that they've got it all figured out, and then tune their TV to a station that consistently reinforces that belief. Willful, blissful ignorance seems like it would probably be a very comfortable way to exist. Glad to see this kid was able to break out of that.
 
2012-07-02 05:28:50 PM  
*cries tears of joy*

There's still hope for the younger generation.

/ex-conservative
 
2012-07-02 05:29:28 PM  
He thinks the government should be out of the business of defining marriage and that the individual mandate is a good idea.

He IS a conservative - he's just one from back when conservatives weren't pointlessly hostile idiots with no ideas no data and no connection to reality.
 
2012-07-02 06:25:06 PM  
Praise the Lord. The boy has risen!
 
2012-07-02 06:26:17 PM  
FTFA: "You're really defeating yourself if you think you have all of your ideas in your head when you were 12 or 13. It's impossible. You haven't done enough."

I wonder what Grover Norquist would think of this kid.
 
2012-07-02 06:27:45 PM  
"The issues are so complex, you can't just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue."

This. The GOP is all about pretending complex ideas can be solved by simple bumper sticker dogma.
 
2012-07-02 06:28:02 PM  

GleeUnit: simsite9: What's funny is that almost every reason he gives for his shift is ultimately an insult to CPAC types.

"I've matured."
"I've given it more thought."
"The issues are so complex, you can't just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue."

The larger question is, why does about 25% of the population get stuck at 12 years old with a simplistic view of the world, and never move on?

Because thinking for yourself and questioning your surroundings is scary.

Lots of people really like their bubbles - a safe place where they can convince themselves that they've got it all figured out, and then tune their TV to a station that consistently reinforces that belief. Willful, blissful ignorance seems like it would probably be a very comfortable way to exist. Glad to see this kid was able to break out of that.


Aye. The thought that perhaps everything you knew was wrong, everything you'd been taught was incorrect.. that's goddamn TERRIFYING for a lot of people. So they refuse to acknowledge it as a possibility.
 
2012-07-02 06:28:11 PM  
Flip flopper
 
2012-07-02 06:28:46 PM  

chimp_ninja: kronicfeld: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BKITU: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: propasaurus: So already this kid is smarter than Grover Norquist.

Seems like proof that ol' Grover's in a state of arrested development.

Well, then he should see an analrapist.

I'd be satisfied if he just blue himself instead.

Away. You forgot to say "away."

Okay, you know what you do, Angry Drunk Bureaucrat? You buy yourself a tape recorder, you just record yourself for a whole day. I think you're going to be surprised at some of your phrasing.


Oh chimp_ninja, you blow hard.
 
2012-07-02 06:29:12 PM  
Great, another RINO
 
2012-07-02 06:29:33 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: "I think it was naive," Krohn now says of the speech. "It's a 13-year-old kid saying stuff that he had heard for a long time.... I live in Georgia. We're inundated with conservative talk in Georgia.... The speech was something that a 13-year-old does. You haven't formed all your opinions. You're really defeating yourself if you think you have all of your ideas in your head when you were 12 or 13. It's impossible. You haven't done enough."

Also: 17.


Also: 20, 30...

Let's face it, none of us are the same as when we were 17. Hell, I was a hardcore communist when I was 19, it was the thing to do. I look back now and laugh my ass off at how idealistic I was then. It's only if your political outlook DOESN'T evolve that you've got issues.

Note that evolution takes some time. Having a different opinion yesterday than you do today (lookin at you, Mittens) is not the same thing.
 
2012-07-02 06:29:37 PM  

susansto-helit: Sounds like a smart kid with an inquisitive mind. Whatever he does in life, I hope he keeps questioning what he's told.


As long as he keeps moving to the left.
 
2012-07-02 06:30:54 PM  

Felgraf: GleeUnit: simsite9: What's funny is that almost every reason he gives for his shift is ultimately an insult to CPAC types.

"I've matured."
"I've given it more thought."
"The issues are so complex, you can't just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue."

The larger question is, why does about 25% of the population get stuck at 12 years old with a simplistic view of the world, and never move on?

Because thinking for yourself and questioning your surroundings is scary.

Lots of people really like their bubbles - a safe place where they can convince themselves that they've got it all figured out, and then tune their TV to a station that consistently reinforces that belief. Willful, blissful ignorance seems like it would probably be a very comfortable way to exist. Glad to see this kid was able to break out of that.

Aye. The thought that perhaps everything you knew was wrong, everything you'd been taught was incorrect.. that's goddamn TERRIFYING for a lot of people. So they refuse to acknowledge it as a possibility.


That truly goes for BOTH sides.
/really scary to think of it.
 
2012-07-02 06:30:56 PM  
Krohn won't go so far as to say he's liberal, in part because his move away from conservatism was a move away from ideological boxes in general.

"I want to be Jonathan Krohn," he said, "and I'm tired of being an ideology, and it's not fun and it gets boring and it's not who we are as individuals."

+1, kid. Maybe, later on, you really will develop a long-lasting affinity for one side or the other, but you recognize now that you can take your time and not parrot things from the old folk.
 
2012-07-02 06:31:47 PM  
no, i have no idea who he is
 
2012-07-02 06:32:59 PM  
"he's hoping to spend his time at NYU studying philosophy and filmmaking"

sounds like his switch to liberalism was just a matter of self-preservation for when he is destitute ;)
 
2012-07-02 06:33:04 PM  
This is obviously the result of bad parenting. He obviously needs to spend more time contemplating the philosophical import of aborted fetuses. And, of course, more spankings.
 
2012-07-02 06:34:01 PM  
So you are saying that a selfish white entitled misogynistic philosophy appeals to a white 13 year old boy? Color me shocked. Then when he grew up and learned there are consequences with damn the poor he wised up? Wish more of the brainwashed conservative kids would.
 
2012-07-02 06:35:03 PM  

Lorelle: *cries tears of joy*

There's still hope for the younger generation.

/ex-conservative


My ex is an ex-conservative.

/Me... never was. Ok. conservation of mass I could get behind.
 
2012-07-02 06:35:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: tallguywithglasseson: "I think it was naive," Krohn now says of the speech. "It's a 13-year-old kid saying stuff that he had heard for a long time.... I live in Georgia. We're inundated with conservative talk in Georgia.... The speech was something that a 13-year-old does. You haven't formed all your opinions. You're really defeating yourself if you think you have all of your ideas in your head when you were 12 or 13. It's impossible. You haven't done enough."

Also: 17.

Also: 20, 30...

Let's face it, none of us are the same as when we were 17. Hell, I was a hardcore communist when I was 19, it was the thing to do. I look back now and laugh my ass off at how idealistic I was then. It's only if your political outlook DOESN'T evolve that you've got issues.

Note that evolution takes some time. Having a different opinion yesterday than you do today (lookin at you, Mittens) is not the same thing.


I'd say the reason why you changed your mind and evolved your position is the most important way to distinguish between genuine evolution and pandering.
 
2012-07-02 06:36:26 PM  

DKinMN: susansto-helit: Sounds like a smart kid with an inquisitive mind. Whatever he does in life, I hope he keeps questioning what he's told.

As long as he keeps moving to the left.


Taking time off from guarding the underside of that bridge, are we?
 
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