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(My Fox DC)   Study shows spanking boosts odds of mental illness. Could we just do it until things get hard for me?   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 274
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2012-07-02 12:43:49 PM
*slow clap.. errupting into a raucous applause*
 
2012-07-02 01:37:58 PM
It has also been shown to be the only effective punishment for lighting the grail-shaped beacon.
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2012-07-02 02:05:55 PM
Yeah butmy mom did it so it must be OK.
 
2012-07-02 02:06:04 PM
Sigh... Not this shiat again...
 
2012-07-02 02:06:06 PM
Fox. No retarded, but #1 with retards.
 
2012-07-02 02:09:09 PM
Those who were spanked or hit as kids were between two and seven percent more likely to encounter mental issues later, said the research in the US journal Pediatrics, based on a retrospective survey of more than 600 US adults.

combined with

That figure may seem low, particularly since about half of the US population recalls being spanked in childhood

Pretty much just means that two to seven percent of the population is likely to encounter mental issues. Any skew in the data can completely be accounted for by behavior differences in children with mental development issues.
 
2012-07-02 02:09:11 PM
Well sure, if they forget the safe word. Sheesh.

/Wicked, naughty Zoot.
 
2012-07-02 02:10:36 PM
correlation vs causation

do spankings cause mental illness or does mental illness cause behavioral issues (which trigger spankings)?

oh wait... i mean "SEE! YOU DAMNED CHILD ABUSERS!"
 
2012-07-02 02:10:47 PM
This sounds like one of those studies that confuses causation and correlation.

Maybe crazy parents (whose children inherit their mental illness) are more likely to spank....

Maybe kids who are already on the path to mental illness behave in such a way that parents more often resort to spanking...
 
2012-07-02 02:11:11 PM

Mr Guy: Pretty much just means that two to seven percent of the population is likely to encounter mental issues.


Actually, rereading that, they are saying a two to seventy percent difference of an already very small percentage of the total population, which is 50% likely to have been spanked.
 
2012-07-02 02:11:29 PM

Instead it focuses on "harsh physical punishment," defined as pushing, grabbing, shoving, slapping or hitting as a form of punishment from elders.


I guess yanking my kid out of a store when he has thrown a fit or shoving him into a pool consititutes spanking by their definition.


The current study excludes both sexual abuse and physical abuse that left bruises, marks or caused injury.

I guess I'll have to spank harder so that it doesn't count.
 
2012-07-02 02:11:34 PM

wraithmare: Well sure, if they forget the safe word. Sheesh.


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2012-07-02 02:11:46 PM
Well, there's spanking and there is spanking.

Spanking is good when your kid just won't listen, and is getting all mouthy and nutty and reasonable measures have already been taken. Parents know what I'm talking about - that point when your kid has obviously lost his mind, and spanking is needed to bring them back.

But some parents...crazy parents...spank their kids all the time for everything. Most people know parents like this. The kind of parents that NEVER speak to their kids except to yell at them. And you know what? It's NO SURPRISE that those kids end up being nuts. Their PARENTS are nuts. Duh.
 
2012-07-02 02:14:38 PM

Silly Jesus: This sounds like one of those studies that confuses causation and correlation.

Maybe crazy parents (whose children inherit their mental illness) are more likely to spank....

Maybe kids who are already on the path to mental illness behave in such a way that parents more often resort to spanking...


Came here to say this.
 
2012-07-02 02:16:25 PM

realmolo: Well, there's spanking and there is spanking.

Spanking is good when your kid just won't listen, and is getting all mouthy and nutty and reasonable measures have already been taken. Parents know what I'm talking about - that point when your kid has obviously lost his mind, and spanking is needed to bring them back.

But some parents...crazy parents...spank their kids all the time for everything. Most people know parents like this. The kind of parents that NEVER speak to their kids except to yell at them. And you know what? It's NO SURPRISE that those kids end up being nuts. Their PARENTS are nuts. Duh.


I live in a weird situation just like this. My two children have been spanked less than 5 times in their lives combined. My two step children, however, get spanked for absolutely anything at their dad's house (literally daily). They know I won't spank them, but they behave perfectly for me anyway. I believe it's a respect thing. I tried to approach him (their dad) about it a few months back, but I got a resounding "fark off" - then the girls got a spanking next time they were at his house for talking to me about it. What a pud.
 
2012-07-02 02:16:26 PM
You think maybe that two-to-seven percent just didn't want to admit to being more seriously abused? Could you instead posit that spanked children are two to seven percent more likely to also be abused?

Either way, that seems like a reasonable margin of error for a social study.
 
2012-07-02 02:16:38 PM
At first I thought his was another 50 Shades of Gray article.
 
2012-07-02 02:18:15 PM
Well if we spanked more well-behaved children, then the odds would dramatically decrease.
 
2012-07-02 02:18:48 PM
came here hoping to identify the farkettes who enjoy a little over the knee time.

leaving frustrated. :-(
 
2012-07-02 02:18:48 PM
I was spanked as a child


AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ME DAMMIT!!!!!111111one11!!one!!!
 
2012-07-02 02:19:10 PM
FTFA: "As a child how often were you ever pushed, grabbed, shoved, slapped or hit by your parents or any adult living in your house?"

This was written poorly enough to give inaccurate results. Someone who was given the occasional swat on the butt may not consider that to be "slapped" or "hit". At the same time, you could have any of the above done but never "spanked".

Overall, I give the results a giant "Meh".
 
2012-07-02 02:20:15 PM
Canadain researchers-- did they reference their fimdings against a control group of subjects just being Canadian?
 
2012-07-02 02:20:38 PM
mental illness often has a genetic factor. mentally ill people might be more likely to spank their children. people who were raised by mentally ill people who spanked them a lot might be more likely to spank their children.

being spanked as a child probably causes a strong erotic response to being slapped on the ass later in life, which probably isn't genetic, so that's a good thing.
 
2012-07-02 02:20:57 PM
Studies also show that children that aren't spanked grow up to be whiney little biatches that think the world owes them something.
 
2012-07-02 02:21:36 PM
So did my mom just beat the bipolar into me?
 
2012-07-02 02:22:35 PM
From birth to about 18 months old, children have absolutely no concept of right or wrong. They don't understand rules or morality or any of our societal constructs. They don't even have the required depth perception to keep them from crawling off a cliff. No amount of talking or timeouts or taking away their favorite toys will get through to children of this age. The only discipline mechanism that they understand is pain. So, unless you want your infant growing into a completely unmangeable toddler, you have to spank them.

I loathe the parents who say things like, "Oh, Johnny just grabbing toys from other children because he's going through the terrible twos." No, you suburban idiots, he's not going through anything more than the consequences of your lackadasical parenting. Unfortunately, by the time a child is two years old, their personalities have formed and their sense of right and wrong is immutable. But hey, go ahead and fulfill every one of your newborn's whims and demands while not instilling any fear of reprisals for waking you up in the middle of the night. See how that turns out for you.
 
2012-07-02 02:22:41 PM

The Southern Dandy: Studies also show that children that aren't spanked grow up to be whiney little biatches that think the world owes them something.


So you were spanked? You owe me an answer.
 
2012-07-02 02:23:11 PM
so let me get this straight... a poll of 600 people - only half of whom *remember* getting spanked, and the increase is 2-7%? and a general margin of error is 3-5% which makes this study a piece of Craptastic potatoe.

/either the article was piss poorly written, the study was a joke or a combo of the two.
//sass me again and I'll back-hand yah. is that considered a "spanking"?
 
2012-07-02 02:24:17 PM
Bullshiat*t, genetics plays a larger role in all of that rather than spanking, if it did play a role I would be a depressed junkie and alcoholic.

Kids live without fear of repercussions, its sad people keep perpetuating this myth that spanking served no purpose.
 
2012-07-02 02:24:54 PM
I thought it would only make me go blind!
 
2012-07-02 02:25:04 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: realmolo: then the girls got a spanking next time they were at his house for talking to me about it. What a pud.


Anonymously call CPS
 
2012-07-02 02:25:07 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: correlation vs causation

do spankings cause mental illness or does mental illness cause behavioral issues (which trigger spankings)?

oh wait... i mean "SEE! YOU DAMNED CHILD ABUSERS!"


Came here to say THIS.

Good lord! I mean we've gone what... 10,000 years of civilization with kids getting spanked and yet SOMEHOW we were not overwhelmed with insane people being everywhere.

However we've had 100 years of modern psychiatry and people are far more neurotic and unbalanced than they were prior to it.

see, I can mess up correlation with causation too... idiot shrinks trying to foist their bullshait nanny theories off on everyone.

Life is tough... you don't do your kids any good coddling them from reality and swaddling them in bubble wrap.

I'm not saying abuse them... but for farks sake people... stop trying to blunt the farking corners and padding the world. It doesn't work.
 
2012-07-02 02:25:19 PM
Did they mention that not spanking your kids leads to a 50% increase in your kid be an arrogant a-hole?
 
2012-07-02 02:28:26 PM
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2012-07-02 02:28:50 PM

bark_atda_moon: Instead it focuses on "harsh physical punishment," defined as pushing, grabbing, shoving, slapping or hitting as a form of punishment from elders.

I guess yanking my kid out of a store when he has thrown a fit or shoving him into a pool consititutes spanking by their definition.


The current study excludes both sexual abuse and physical abuse that left bruises, marks or caused injury.

I guess I'll have to spank harder so that it doesn't count.


Yes, I find it strange they went out of their way to excuse extreme abuse but still left abuse in there. Spanking is very different from hitting or slapping. Leaving them in as the same variable leads me to ignore the results.

Hey, why don't we have a sliding scale and compare to mental illness, 1) Spanking only, 2) Pushing, grabbing, shoving, 3) (1+2), 4) slapping or hitting. Or whatever. I've yet to see a study that mapped only spanking to mental illnesses.
 
2012-07-02 02:28:54 PM

kid_icarus: It has also been shown to be the only effective punishment for lighting the grail-shaped beacon.
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Came for this, galloping off with coconut shells in subby's honor.

steamingpile: Bullshiat*t, genetics plays a larger role in all of that rather than spanking, if it did play a role I would be a depressed junkie and alcoholic.

Kids live without fear of repercussions, its sad people keep perpetuating this myth that spanking served no purpose.


There is a big difference between effective and consistent punishment, or the very real threat of consequences, and abuse. Some people don't know the difference and need Fox News to muddle the issue even more.
 
2012-07-02 02:30:03 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: correlation vs causation

do spankings cause mental illness or does mental illness cause behavioral issues (which trigger spankings)?

oh wait... i mean "SEE! YOU DAMNED CHILD ABUSERS!"


This....I find it very difficult to believe that spankings cause mental illness. Perhaps in extreme cases that are borderline torture, but your garden variety spankings that most of us have been on the receiving end on...no.
 
2012-07-02 02:33:38 PM

thecpt: The Southern Dandy: Studies also show that children that aren't spanked grow up to be whiney little biatches that think the world owes them something.

So you were spanked? You owe me an answer.


Yes. I was spanked. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!! [runs away crying]
 
2012-07-02 02:34:23 PM

Mr Guy: Those who were spanked or hit as kids were between two and seven percent more likely to encounter mental issues later, said the research in the US journal Pediatrics, based on a retrospective survey of more than 600 US adults.

combined with

That figure may seem low, particularly since about half of the US population recalls being spanked in childhood

Pretty much just means that two to seven percent of the population is likely to encounter mental issues. Any skew in the data can completely be accounted for by behavior differences in children with mental development issues.


That's why I'm not a fan of these types of recall studies. It's impossible to eliminate ALL other influences and when you have a low probablility you have a higher probablitiy that some other influence also played a role.

Were the alcoholics children of alcoholics? Did they experence anything else that may be simliar that may also be a factor?

No one can recall every aspect of their life with 100% certainty, so there are lots of things that could cause a small probability to be skewed.
 
2012-07-02 02:36:35 PM

Bell-fan: The_Original_Roxtar:
Good lord! I mean we've gone what... 10,000 years of civilization with kids getting spanked and yet SOMEHOW we were not overwhelmed with insane people being everywhere.



Just because we've gone X years with Y doesn't mean that we can't become more reasoned and apply scientific data to our everyday lives to improve them.

Most poor uneducated or violent people aren't going to be the ones reading these studies, it will be doctors and social workers and hospital administrators. Hopefully at a younger age or during their teen years children and students can become educated through data like these.

With the facts these teens might grow into parents that, instead of using violence, control and power, instead use reasoning and words and sound judgment to discipline their children.
 
2012-07-02 02:38:49 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: With the facts these teens might grow into parents that, instead of using violence, control and power, instead use reasoning and words and sound judgment to discipline their children.


Yeah, I use reasoning and words and sound judgement....and after he does the exact same thing I keep telling him not to for the 5th time I swat him on the rear.

/your either a fool or not a parent if you think every damn kid is the same and can be "reasoned with"
 
2012-07-02 02:39:41 PM
"The study, led by Canadian researchers,"

A-N-D, we're done here.
 
2012-07-02 02:40:10 PM
Scientologists are against spanking. So if you don't spank, you are a Scientologist
 
2012-07-02 02:40:41 PM
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2012-07-02 02:43:09 PM
I guess that means I'm full of teh crazy.
 
2012-07-02 02:44:36 PM

Burr: Mrs.Sharpier: With the facts these teens might grow into parents that, instead of using violence, control and power, instead use reasoning and words and sound judgment to discipline their children.

Yeah, I use reasoning and words and sound judgement....and after he does the exact same thing I keep telling him not to for the 5th time I swat him on the rear.

/your either a fool or not a parent if you think every damn kid is the same and can be "reasoned with"


There's also the case where the kid is using physical force to bully others. My one son started showing some bully tendencies in grade school. He was taller than the rest of the kids and started to use it to his advantage. I taught him an important lesson about there always being a bigger fish in the pond and ended that issue right there.

The trick of course is to figure out why he's being a bully. Is he lashing out about some issue that needs to be corrected or what it just "Hey I'm the big gorilla in the room"? With my son it appeared to be the latter and my belt taught him the error of his ways. Had it been other issues (like him lashing out at kids who taunted him for being different in some way) I would have explained how you don't respond to verbal abuse with physical abuse and worked to correct the issue with less physical intervention on my own.

/he's 16 now and well adjusted
//well as much as you can expect out of a teenager who thinks he is immortal and knows the secrets to the universe
 
2012-07-02 02:45:08 PM
How about consenting adults?
NSFW and only vaguely relevant but it's what have to contribute...

/that is all
 
2012-07-02 02:46:11 PM

The Southern Dandy: I was spanked as a child


AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ME DAMMIT!!!!!111111one11!!one!!!


That's exactly what a mentally ill person would claim. Don't take my word for it... it's in the study. SCIENCE!
 
2012-07-02 02:48:14 PM
I got spanked as a child when I misbehaved, and when I didn't it just meant I got away with it.
 
2012-07-02 02:49:40 PM
I wasn't spanked. I did a lot of stupid shiat and probably would have been better off if I had been.

/is also full of crazy
//am a naughty farkette, who needs to be punished.
 
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