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(The New York Times)   Egyptian president Morsi sworn in, promising to work for release of Luxor massacre and '93 World Trade Center attack mastermind, but other than that and some 9/11 troofiness he's totally peaceful and moderate   (nytimes.com) divider line 77
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2012-07-02 05:44:56 PM

OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Triumph: For those scoring at home, the US is fighting radical Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but backing radical Islam in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Iraq is left for dead as a failed state. Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

But I thought we wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East. Did you guys just mean Democracy that agrees with your worldview?

Democracy isn't simply majority rule. A proper democracy has safeguards in place to protect all people, not just those who are part of the mainstream beliefs. The bastard they elected is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who would have no issue with killing anyone who does not follow their brand of islam. The Copic Christians in Egypt are seriously farked.

Isn't this something the Egyptians should learn on their own?

If it didn't involve them killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the learning process, I'd say sure, go for it.


So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?
 
2012-07-02 05:48:02 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?


the time will come when you will wish mubarak was still running things.
 
2012-07-02 05:50:16 PM
 
2012-07-02 05:52:58 PM

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg: So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?

the time will come when you will wish mubarak was still running things.


Just like we all miss the Shah, right?
 
2012-07-02 05:53:02 PM
Now he has to be president of Egypt? Heaven knows he's miserable now... but that joke isn't funny anymore.
 
2012-07-02 05:58:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Triumph: For those scoring at home, the US is fighting radical Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but backing radical Islam in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Iraq is left for dead as a failed state. Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

But I thought we wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East. Did you guys just mean Democracy that agrees with your worldview?

Democracy isn't simply majority rule. A proper democracy has safeguards in place to protect all people, not just those who are part of the mainstream beliefs. The bastard they elected is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who would have no issue with killing anyone who does not follow their brand of islam. The Copic Christians in Egypt are seriously farked.

Isn't this something the Egyptians should learn on their own?


No, other countries lack the maturity and intelligence to manage their own affairs. It is the responsibility of the peaceful, benevolent, and deeply wise United States of America to guide all their decisions and their political choices.
 
2012-07-02 06:05:50 PM

colon_pow: the time will come when you will wish mubarak was still running things.


So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?
 
2012-07-02 06:08:12 PM
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MORSI

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CORSI

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CORGI
 
2012-07-02 06:18:16 PM
Democracy!
 
2012-07-02 06:20:36 PM
What a terrorist attack on Luxor might look like:
img.brothersoft.com
 
2012-07-02 06:30:03 PM
troofiness

Because if you can't outthink them... belittle them with your arrogant stupidity.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html -->
 
2012-07-02 06:56:14 PM

urban.derelict: troofiness

Because if you can't outthink them... belittle them with your arrogant stupidity.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html -->


The webfairy and Killtown?

LULZ!

Welcome to 2007 folks!

Hee hee!
 
2012-07-02 07:24:41 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Triumph: For those scoring at home, the US is fighting radical Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but backing radical Islam in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Iraq is left for dead as a failed state. Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

But I thought we wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East. Did you guys just mean Democracy that agrees with your worldview?

Democracy isn't simply majority rule. A proper democracy has safeguards in place to protect all people, not just those who are part of the mainstream beliefs. The bastard they elected is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who would have no issue with killing anyone who does not follow their brand of islam. The Copic Christians in Egypt are seriously farked.

Isn't this something the Egyptians should learn on their own?

If it didn't involve them killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the learning process, I'd say sure, go for it.

So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?


Unfortunately, this is one of those no-win situations. The US getting involved would have probably made matters worse. At the very least, we should stop sending them money until they put in constitutional safeguards to protect minority groups like the Copics. One of the problems with the Egyptian justice system is the existence of two different courts. The secular government court, and the islamic court. All islamic cases of course go to the latter. This system has been used to completely fark over the Copics. Teenage girl is kidnapped, forcibly converted to islam, and married off to some old dude. Family brings it to court, which is kicked to the islamic court automatically, which rules that it is perfectly legal under islamic law.
 
2012-07-02 07:47:09 PM
Throw him on the targeted killing list and send a drone his way before people get attached.

/totally different from an assassination
 
2012-07-02 08:08:10 PM
"On the eve of Mr. Morsi's election, the generals dissolved Parliament, seized its powers and issued a new interim charter depriving the office of Egypt's president of much of its authority. They also stipulated that the president should swear the oath in front of the Mubarak-appointed judges of the Supreme Constitutional Court. "


Oh look! The Egyptians think they actually changed something with their little "revolution"!

Isn't that CUTE?
 
2012-07-02 08:29:07 PM
Newsflash:

Politicians often say things that their electorate wants to hear in order to bolster their position. Sometimes (often) they don't actually intend to follow through or know that what they say they're going to try to do is impossible. Other politicians and intelligence agencies understand this.

Wouldn't shock me at all if he/his people had talked to Obama/his people and said, "I've got to shore up my support, so I'm going to say a bunch of nonsense about getting people out of jail and other stuff to chill out the radicals. But I'm totally on board. We cool?"
 
2012-07-02 08:59:28 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Triumph: For those scoring at home, the US is fighting radical Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but backing radical Islam in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Iraq is left for dead as a failed state. Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

But I thought we wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East. Did you guys just mean Democracy that agrees with your worldview?

Democracy isn't simply majority rule. A proper democracy has safeguards in place to protect all people, not just those who are part of the mainstream beliefs. The bastard they elected is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who would have no issue with killing anyone who does not follow their brand of islam. The Copic Christians in Egypt are seriously farked.

Isn't this something the Egyptians should learn on their own?

If it didn't involve them killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the learning process, I'd say sure, go for it.

So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?



The military retains supreme power, so essentially the same people are controlling Egypt that were controlling it when Mubarak wore the President Suit.

Meet the New Boss...
 
2012-07-02 10:53:16 PM
To be fair, we re-elected a president who invaded Iraq to avenge 911.

Which electorate is more easily duped?
 
2012-07-03 07:07:55 AM

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg: So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?

the time will come when you will wish mubarak was still running things.


*colon_pow rises slowly*

MEIN FUHRER...I CAN WALK!
 
2012-07-03 08:06:14 AM

OgreMagi: Philip Francis Queeg: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Triumph: For those scoring at home, the US is fighting radical Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but backing radical Islam in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Iraq is left for dead as a failed state. Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

But I thought we wanted to spread democracy in the Middle East. Did you guys just mean Democracy that agrees with your worldview?

Democracy isn't simply majority rule. A proper democracy has safeguards in place to protect all people, not just those who are part of the mainstream beliefs. The bastard they elected is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who would have no issue with killing anyone who does not follow their brand of islam. The Copic Christians in Egypt are seriously farked.

Isn't this something the Egyptians should learn on their own?

If it didn't involve them killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the learning process, I'd say sure, go for it.

So what should we have done? Killed a bunch of innocent people to help prop up Mubarak in the name of democracy?

Unfortunately, this is one of those no-win situations. The US getting involved would have probably made matters worse. At the very least, we should stop sending them money until they put in constitutional safeguards to protect minority groups like the Copics. One of the problems with the Egyptian justice system is the existence of two different courts. The secular government court, and the islamic court. All islamic cases of course go to the latter. This system has been used to completely fark over the Copics. Teenage girl is kidnapped, forcibly converted to islam, and married off to some old dude. Family brings it to court, which is kicked to the islamic court automatically, which rules that it is perfectly legal under islamic law.


This. I don't think we should have in any way lifted a finger to keep Mubarak in power. However we shouldn't be gushing over this "democracy" given who won, and given the lack of protections that could make it a real democracy.
 
2012-07-03 08:20:53 AM
those farking egyptians. how dare they have any opinions and aspirations that arent pre-aproved by the US senate.
 
2012-07-03 08:52:18 AM
War.
 
2012-07-03 11:25:51 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: The people of the world have the right of self determination as long as they make a determination acceptable to the US.


If they want to continue to receive checks from the US Treasury. I'm not certain I have a problem with that. Only the hopelessly naive or mentally retarded think that foreign aid is charity.
 
2012-07-03 11:43:43 AM

THE GREAT NAME: War.



Okay, but let Bibi's Xrael handle it all by their little ol' lonesome selves.

The fresh air will do them good.
 
2012-07-03 02:00:49 PM

NINDroog: Triumph: Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

When did we play Realpolitik over the last decade? Neoconservative expansionism and Liberal interventionism are both decidedly non-Realpolitik.


This kind of nitpicking is why I frequent this tab.
 
2012-07-03 02:01:46 PM

BeesNuts: NINDroog: Triumph: Thanks for playing Realpolitik.

When did we play Realpolitik over the last decade? Neoconservative expansionism and Liberal interventionism are both decidedly non-Realpolitik.

This kind of nitpicking is why I frequent this tab.


Well, not nitpicking, you're right. I just like the compulsion to correct relatively obscure mistakes and misunderstandings.
 
2012-07-03 03:59:36 PM

randomjsa: I seem to remember being told to shut up when I said that the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the Egyptian uprising, and that the end result of it would be a slide to toward another Islamic fundamentalist country.


And I seem to remember saying something to the effect of "Tough shiat, that's how democracy works. If you don't like it, then stop stumping for the party that's all about spreading it worldwide at gunpoint."
 
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