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(Chicago Trib)   Cool: Airbus to create first U.S. factory. Fail: How do ya'll build one of these gol' dern "air-o-plans." Eh, let's just call it spiffy   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 62
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-02 12:26:41 PM
Isn't outsourcing to countries with low wages and few worker rights normal today?
 
2012-07-02 01:54:17 PM
As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.
 
2012-07-02 02:01:19 PM
Just wait until they find out that Airbus is part French there in Mobile.
 
2012-07-02 02:03:11 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.


(1) Last Airbus I flew on beat the pants off of any Boeing product I'd been on. Although, that may have been Lufthansa's doing.

(2)I don't think anybody in Mobile was shiatting on the idea of building airplanes there. My wife's from there (and I lived there as well) and people were pretty pissed when the cheaters at Boeing got the tanker contract. And it isn't the only "foreign" company down there, what with Austal building LCS-2 class ships there.

/sec, tan, cos, sin,
//3.14159
///go dragons.
 
2012-07-02 02:06:58 PM

StrikitRich: Just wait until they find out that Airbus is part French there in Mobile.


So, it's a lot like Mobile then.
 
2012-07-02 02:17:19 PM
But Alabama's illegal immigration laws... the media said it would mean the end of foreign investment in the state.
 
2012-07-02 02:20:44 PM
How do ya'll build one of these gol' dern "air-o-plans." Eh, let's just call it spiffy

Well thank god for modern process controls that allow for even the most brainless idiot (not that I am saying Mobile is full of them) can be an intergal cog in the machine manufacturing complex products.
 
2012-07-02 02:26:53 PM

Spade: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.

(1) Last Airbus I flew on beat the pants off of any Boeing product I'd been on. Although, that may have been Lufthansa's doing.

(2)I don't think anybody in Mobile was shiatting on the idea of building airplanes there. My wife's from there (and I lived there as well) and people were pretty pissed when the cheaters at Boeing got the tanker contract. And it isn't the only "foreign" company down there, what with Austal building LCS-2 class ships there.

/sec, tan, cos, sin,
//3.14159
///go dragons.


1. That was probably the Lufthansa effect. :D

2. I think it's safe to say that Boeing and Airbus both cheated a bit at various points in the Tanker ordeal. In the end, politics took over the business case for either company.
 
2012-07-02 02:27:11 PM
FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo
 
2012-07-02 02:29:04 PM

Spade: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.

(1) Last Airbus I flew on beat the pants off of any Boeing product I'd been on. Although, that may have been Lufthansa's doing.


I'll take an A330 over a 777 every single time, regardless of the airline. Way more comfortable plane. The Cadillac of commercial airliners, though, is the 747, which rarely gets flown on my routes because it is a fuel sucking hog.
 
2012-07-02 02:45:46 PM
Honda has an aircraft plant in NC. They build corporate jets. I think they just got certified.
 
2012-07-02 02:47:49 PM

DrewCurtisJr: But Alabama's illegal immigration laws... the media said it would mean the end of foreign investment in the state.


Airbus has white leadership since they're Western Euro.
 
2012-07-02 02:52:11 PM

Spade: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.

(1) Last Airbus I flew on beat the pants off of any Boeing product I'd been on. Although, that may have been Lufthansa's doing.

(2)I don't think anybody in Mobile was shiatting on the idea of building airplanes there. My wife's from there (and I lived there as well) and people were pretty pissed when the cheaters at Boeing got the tanker contract. And it isn't the only "foreign" company down there, what with Austal building LCS-2 class ships there.

/sec, tan, cos, sin,
//3.14159
///go dragons.


It was Lufthansa. I dread when I end up on one of Delta's A319s instead of a 737 or even an ancient DC-9/MD80. About 50% of the time they do this procedure to distribute fuel in the tanks which sounds kind of like a dog barking. It pretty much does this loud, annoying noise the entire time it's on the ground up until you go full power on the runway.

I don't like smaller planes anyway. I prefer when my short/mid routes get 757s.
 
2012-07-02 02:56:49 PM

ha-ha-guy: Airbus has white leadership since they're Western Euro.


Didn't you hear about that Mercedes executive who got detained for almost an hour for driving without a license? All the blogs said Mercedes was going to pack up and leave.
 
2012-07-02 02:58:26 PM

DrewCurtisJr: ha-ha-guy: Airbus has white leadership since they're Western Euro.

Didn't you hear about that Mercedes executive who got detained for almost an hour for driving without a license? All the blogs said Mercedes was going to pack up and leave.


Do you read all of the papers too?
 
2012-07-02 02:59:29 PM

Rapmaster2000: Spade: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I love Boeing planes, if I lived in the area and was in need of work, I'd be in line applying. At the end of the day, paychecks win out over brand loyalty.

Example: Everyone in TX shiat on the idea of building Tundras there. Yet, when the plant opened, there were lines of folks looking for work.

(1) Last Airbus I flew on beat the pants off of any Boeing product I'd been on. Although, that may have been Lufthansa's doing.

(2)I don't think anybody in Mobile was shiatting on the idea of building airplanes there. My wife's from there (and I lived there as well) and people were pretty pissed when the cheaters at Boeing got the tanker contract. And it isn't the only "foreign" company down there, what with Austal building LCS-2 class ships there.

/sec, tan, cos, sin,
//3.14159
///go dragons.

It was Lufthansa. I dread when I end up on one of Delta's A319s instead of a 737 or even an ancient DC-9/MD80. About 50% of the time they do this procedure to distribute fuel in the tanks which sounds kind of like a dog barking. It pretty much does this loud, annoying noise the entire time it's on the ground up until you go full power on the runway.

I don't like smaller planes anyway. I prefer when my short/mid routes get 757s.


Not fuel transfer, but hydraulic pressure transfer:

Power transfer unit
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In aviation, a Power Transfer Unit (PTU) is a device that transfers hydraulic power from one of an aircraft's hydraulic systems to another in the event that second system has failed or been turned off.[1]

Modern airliners have separate, independent hydraulic systems powered by engine-driven pumps. The PTU is used when, for example, there is right hydraulic system pressure but no left hydraulic system pressure. The PTU transfers hydraulic power from the right hydraulic system to the left hydraulic system; there is no intermixing of hydraulic fluid between the left and right hydraulic systems during PTU operation.

The PTU is able to operate the hydraulic motor generator during all phases of flight. It cycles on whenever an engine is started, and may repeatedly cycle on and off whenever pressure in one system drops below a certain point. While it would engage in the event of a failure, in day-to-day operations it is commonly used during taxiing when one engine is shut down to conserve fuel.

The PTU on the Airbus A320 family of aircraft makes a distinctive noise resembling a barking dog or sawing, and is quite audible from inside the cabin. Passengers on board A320-family aircraft are therefore very familiar with the sound of the PTU, but few know what it is.
 
2012-07-02 03:08:02 PM
In before SCAREBUS.
 
2012-07-02 03:13:57 PM
Rode an Airbus in June (CDG -> IAD) after 3 747 flights. While newer planes are outfitted (or retro-fitted) with personal seat-mounted screens, the Airbus also has an on-demand service with more movies and TV shows than Redbox. If a new Airbus plant means the older craft are finally (almost-)modernized with turn-of-the-century technology, I'm all for it.

They're also freaking ginormous. Which is just cool from an engineering/physics standpoint.
 
2012-07-02 03:26:06 PM

Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo


A friend is a Boeing engineer who deals with the Cacky-lacky plant on a regular basis. He say the "git-r-dun" mentality does not translate well to building modern jetliners.

/are Airbus workers in France and Germany union? I would bet they are...
 
2012-07-02 03:32:21 PM

mainstreet62: In before SCAREBUS.


Was it an A320 that cheerfully took some Paris Air Show joyriders into a forest crash when the computerized control system wouldn't let the pilots, you know, CONTROL THE PLANE?
 
2012-07-02 03:35:42 PM

vpb: Isn't outsourcing to countries with low wages and few worker rights normal today?


I was going to say it's the smart move. We'll see more European companies doing this once the begin to follow the American pattern of outsourcing work to the place with the most uneducated populus with a gov't that gives fark all about them.
 
2012-07-02 03:41:40 PM

JohnAnnArbor: mainstreet62: In before SCAREBUS.

Was it an A320 that cheerfully took some Paris Air Show joyriders into a forest crash when the computerized control system wouldn't let the pilots, you know, CONTROL THE PLANE?


No, that happened at Habsheim, in Alsace-Lorraine. Spot on otherwise, if you believe the pilot (the crash's cause is still somewhat controversial).
 
2012-07-02 03:45:54 PM

Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo


How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.
 
2012-07-02 03:47:17 PM

Paris1127: JohnAnnArbor: mainstreet62: In before SCAREBUS.

Was it an A320 that cheerfully took some Paris Air Show joyriders into a forest crash when the computerized control system wouldn't let the pilots, you know, CONTROL THE PLANE?

No, that happened at Habsheim, in Alsace-Lorraine. Spot on otherwise, if you believe the pilot (the crash's cause is still somewhat controversial).


At least the right country. That was scary.
 
2012-07-02 03:50:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: Do you read all of the papers too?


Doesn't everybody?
 
2012-07-02 03:50:38 PM

FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.


Which the union will shield the employee from suffering.

/What, he's incompetent? You can only fire him after three hearings and filling out these ten forms by hand in triplicate. Oh, and coincidentally, 25 of my members are filing grievances against you today. Oh, and how's the wife doing? Wouldn't want anything to happen when she's out shopping, would you?
 
2012-07-02 04:04:25 PM
As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them. They will probably import 90+% of their skilled labor.
 
2012-07-02 04:08:31 PM

JohnAnnArbor: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

Which the union will shield the employee from suffering.

/What, he's incompetent? You can only fire him after three hearings and filling out these ten forms by hand in triplicate. Oh, and coincidentally, 25 of my members are filing grievances against you today. Oh, and how's the wife doing? Wouldn't want anything to happen when she's out shopping, would you?



You know how I know you've never met anyone who works at Boeing?
 
2012-07-02 04:25:39 PM

FabulousFreep: As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them. They will probably import 90+% of their skilled labor.


Any state would have given a massive tax deal for a plant of that scale. And isn't Boeing already in AL?
 
2012-07-02 04:33:27 PM

vpb: Isn't outsourcing to countries with low wages and few worker rights normal today?


Your post made me sad.
 
2012-07-02 04:35:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: Rode an Airbus in June (CDG -> IAD) after 3 747 flights. While newer planes are outfitted (or retro-fitted) with personal seat-mounted screens, the Airbus also has an on-demand service with more movies and TV shows than Redbox. If a new Airbus plant means the older craft are finally (almost-)modernized with turn-of-the-century technology, I'm all for it.


You don't need new planes and a modernized factory to improve AVOD. Air New Zealand's 747s are old (so old they're retiring them) yet they have the widest selection of AVOD I've seen on any airline. Some airlines (I'm looking at you, United) have a single episode of a TV show - NZ has entire seasons.
 
2012-07-02 04:35:54 PM

FloydA: JohnAnnArbor: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

Which the union will shield the employee from suffering.

/What, he's incompetent? You can only fire him after three hearings and filling out these ten forms by hand in triplicate. Oh, and coincidentally, 25 of my members are filing grievances against you today. Oh, and how's the wife doing? Wouldn't want anything to happen when she's out shopping, would you?


You know how I know you've never met anyone who works at Boeing?


Detroit-area UAW. Everyone has stories. Lately--but only in the last few years--the union has decided that deliberately screwing the companies that cut their paychecks might not be the best approach in life. But it took the near-death experience of the automakers to get that far.
 
2012-07-02 04:37:24 PM

JohnAnnArbor:
You know how I know you've never met anyone who works at Boeing?

Detroit-area UAW. Everyone has stories. Lately--but only in the last few years--the union has decided that deliberately screwing the companies that cut their paychecks might not be the best approach in life. But it took the near-death experience of the automakers to get that far.


So you've never met anyone that works at Boeing?
 
2012-07-02 04:42:40 PM

ImpendingCynic: Dr Dreidel: Rode an Airbus in June (CDG -> IAD) after 3 747 flights. While newer planes are outfitted (or retro-fitted) with personal seat-mounted screens, the Airbus also has an on-demand service with more movies and TV shows than Redbox. If a new Airbus plant means the older craft are finally (almost-)modernized with turn-of-the-century technology, I'm all for it.

You don't need new planes and a modernized factory to improve AVOD. Air New Zealand's 747s are old (so old they're retiring them) yet they have the widest selection of AVOD I've seen on any airline. Some airlines (I'm looking at you, United) have a single episode of a TV show - NZ has entire seasons.


I mean that a fleet of new Airbus planes with VOD libraries might spur those airlines (I'm also looking at United) to upgrade their VOD. At least get rid of the "everyone on board watches the same movie 4 times" crap.

I like to be entertained while crammed into a sardine can with 150 of my closest, poorly-groomed friends, hurtling ~620mph some 30,000 feet in the air over an ocean. Anything to take my mind off the barely-containing-their-disgust flight staff.
 
2012-07-02 04:45:53 PM
Dear American Unions:

When Airbus doesn't want to deal with you, the problem is not Airbus. The problem is you.
 
2012-07-02 04:48:23 PM

JohnAnnArbor: FloydA: JohnAnnArbor: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

Which the union will shield the employee from suffering.

/What, he's incompetent? You can only fire him after three hearings and filling out these ten forms by hand in triplicate. Oh, and coincidentally, 25 of my members are filing grievances against you today. Oh, and how's the wife doing? Wouldn't want anything to happen when she's out shopping, would you?


You know how I know you've never met anyone who works at Boeing?

Detroit-area UAW. Everyone has stories. Lately--but only in the last few years--the union has decided that deliberately screwing the companies that cut their paychecks might not be the best approach in life. But it took the near-death experience of the automakers to get that far.


You know how I know you've never met anyone who works at Boeing?
 
2012-07-02 04:57:06 PM
Is it true the A380 doesn't have enough toilets in coach? There was a bunch of rumors about that a while back.

/not really picky between Boeing and Airbus, but not enough toilets is a deal breaker regardless of a plane's nationality
//especially for a plane that's supposed to be long haul
 
2012-07-02 04:58:09 PM

FabulousFreep: As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them.


Um. . .

Saiga410: Well thank god for modern process controls that allow for even the most brainless idiot (not that I am saying Mobile is full of them) can be an intergal cog in the machine manufacturing complex products.


This. Assembly processes have gotten to the point where having a machine vs. a person do it is entirely a matter of cost because there isn't any critical thinking going on. And the Southeast isn't necessarily all idiots, though there are a lot of them. However, what's cute (if not horrifying) is that the engineers and technicians they do have (that aren't from somewhere else) act like they're the smartest people in the world. All they really do is stuff like standards enforcement, configuration and other such custom/implementation work and they'll talk like they invented the technology. Not that they'll make the claim per se, but they're immensely proud of the fact that they're smart enough to be trusted with some autonomous decision-making limited in scope by standards that were written by someone else, for technology that was invented by someone else, on products that were designed by someone else. Classic "big fish in a small pond" syndrome.

/ Worked in the South as an FAE for a supplier
// I know my place
 
2012-07-02 05:05:54 PM

FabulousFreep: As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them. They will probably import 90+% of their skilled labor.


There are thousands of skilled laborers in the Mobile area. There are former military and former shipbuilders with the skill sets that Airbus will be looking for.
 
2012-07-02 05:29:02 PM

StrikitRich: Just wait until they find out that Airbus is part French there in Mobile.


Seeing as how Mobile is where Mardi Gras started, I don't think they'll have a problem with it.

FabulousFreep: As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them. They will probably import 90+% of their skilled labor.


And as I and many others pointed out to you in the other thread, you're either a troll, totally blinded by regional hatred and stereotypes, or just plain stupid.

In the other thread, I was leaning towards uninformed or blinded by stereotypes. Since you've decided to post the same thing again despite being utterly disproven by factual information I'm changing my opinion and going with downright stupid.

Let me help with some quotes from the other thread.

You might want to tell that to GKN Aerospace, who already builds a pile of Airbus components here, or Mercedes, Hyundai, and Honda who build cars here, or Austal, who builds the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship here, or Raytheon who builds the Navy's SM-3 missile (the one that can hit satellites and ballistic missiles) here, or Lockheed who builds the Army's Hellfire missile here, or NASA who's designed and build damned near every space vehicle since the Saturn V here.

Freep: You are aware that Huntsville has the highest number of PHDs per capita of anyplace in the US, right?

Alabama has its issues, but lack of high tech people is not one of them. Plus, Mobile is right across the bay from Pensacola and a ton of aviation experts all over the place.

Not to mention that the modern manufacturing plants are doing really well. Hyundai's Montgomery plant is amazing. And it pay decent wages, although robots do a huge amount of the work that used to be done by Jimmy Lunchpail and Barbara Brownbag.


Alabama has a very good pool of talented, hard working people. What Alabama doesn't have are a lot of organizations that start with the letter U, which I suspect is the true reason you're bitter.
 
2012-07-02 06:16:55 PM

FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

$89 an hour is not a reasonable quality of life. it's luxury.
 
2012-07-02 06:19:31 PM

FabulousFreep: As i said in the other nearly identical thread, there must have been a MASSIVE tax deal for them to build in AL. They may very well seriously regret going there though, lack of skilled labor is going to cripple them. They will probably import 90+% of their skilled labor.


Agreed. I haven't read reports, but the state probably waived years' worth of legitimate business tax income and/or property taxes. And something tells me Alabama business leaders wouldn't know what a "pool of skilled labor" looks like if it slapped 'em in the face. (Do Honda and Mercedes work forces count??)

Plus, next big hurricane ... oh, well, maybe they thought that part through.
 
2012-07-02 06:36:35 PM

havocmike: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

$89 an hour is not a reasonable quality of life. it's luxury.


Know how I can tell you have never lived in a city?
 
2012-07-02 09:22:57 PM

FloydA: havocmike: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

$89 an hour is not a reasonable quality of life. it's luxury.

Know how I can tell you have never lived in a city?


Are you seriously suggesting there's a place in the continental US where $178k a year isn't good money? You're like one of those guys who talks about how you're broke just like poor people, after you get done paying for your 5 bedroom house, your 600 channels, your four cars, etc. etc.
 
2012-07-02 10:13:25 PM

Dokushin: FloydA: havocmike: FloydA: Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo

How dare skilled laborers demand a reasonable quality of life? After all, it's not as if farking up on their job might have any serious repercussions.

$89 an hour is not a reasonable quality of life. it's luxury.

Know how I can tell you have never lived in a city?

Are you seriously suggesting there's a place in the continental US where $178k a year isn't good money? You're like one of those guys who talks about how you're broke just like poor people, after you get done paying for your 5 bedroom house, your 600 channels, your four cars, etc. etc.


Know how I know that your mental image of and assumptions about me and my life are completely wrong?
 
2012-07-02 11:11:35 PM
I'm glad Airbus is going to a place where men are men and don't just pay up when organized crime and corrupt politicians come knocking.
 
2012-07-03 12:20:48 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Any state would have given a massive tax deal for a plant of that scale. And isn't Boeing already in AL?


Yes which will make it harder to hire skilled labor. Boeing is hiring everyone they can get their hands on btw.

JustGetItRight: Freep: You are aware that Huntsville has the highest number of PHDs per capita of anyplace in the US, right?


Just going to say, yes that's true , but how many are unemployed Aircraft assembly workers? How many are doctors, professors, lawyers etc etc and NOT skilled LABOR that assembles aircraft from sub assemblies.

JustGetItRight: You might want to tell that to GKN Aerospace, who already builds a pile of Airbus components here, or Mercedes, Hyundai, and Honda who build cars here, or Austal, who builds the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship here, or Raytheon who builds the Navy's SM-3 missile (the one that can hit satellites and ballistic missiles) here, or Lockheed who builds the Army's Hellfire missile here, or NASA who's designed and build damned near every space vehicle since the Saturn V here.


Missiles, ships cars and components not to mention space craft are not Aircraft assemblies and the skill set while similar is not identical. You know not to mention that all those people are already employed.

JustGetItRight: Alabama has its issues, but lack of high tech people is not one of them. Plus, Mobile is right across the bay from Pensacola and a ton of aviation experts all over the place.


"Lots of People" does not equal "Lots of employable skilled labor" and those people across the bay are already employed and you know across the bay and may not be willing to move.

As for all the trash talking you also did i will simply chalk it up to the ignorant ramblings of some tard on the interwebs and let it go at that.

JustGetItRight: What Alabama doesn't have are a lot of organizations that start with the letter U, which I suspect is the true reason you're bitter.


Oh wait ... What does that even mean? Can anyone explain?

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Agreed. I haven't read reports, but the state probably waived years' worth of legitimate business tax income and/or property taxes. And something tells me Alabama business leaders wouldn't know what a "pool of skilled labor" looks like if it slapped 'em in the face. (Do Honda and Mercedes work forces count??)

Plus, next big hurricane ... oh, well, maybe they thought that part through.



Yeah the deal isn't out in the public eye yet but I'm guessing they went BIG to get them there and won't regret it at all if it works out. Great thing about AL constitution though, can't raise property tax w/o a public vote so people who move there will love that part of it. As for the people, well some really smart people live there also some big money, bank of America etc. and the hurricane thing? Insurance, lots and lots of insurance. Would be completely foolish to go without tons of it.

Link

PR newswire article Just a PR release but gives a little more info.
 
2012-07-03 12:25:40 AM
Forgot to mention, this is 1k direct jobs but might end up being 10x that many "employments" state wide. Good deal all around for Al and the states in general, hope it works out.
 
2012-07-03 12:53:37 AM

Hack Patooey: FTFA: But by placing the plant in the southeast with its lower wage rates and laws that are less friendly to labor unions, Airbus' plan may not sit well with the unions who have traditionally ruled U.S. airplane manufacturing, and particularly at Boeing's main hub in Seattle. They had already fiercely opposed Boeing's move to set up a plant in South Carolina, saying it was retaliating against the unionised workers in Seattle.

Boo farking hoo


Yeah, what are they going to do, make them not build the plant? With Boeing the union could get a friendly Obama administration to lean on the company to keep jobs in Washington. With Airbus all they could do would be to keep them out of the US entirely. I don't think even Obama is that stupid, but I'm prepared for him to prove me wrong.
 
2012-07-03 01:17:38 AM

FloydA: Know how I know that your mental image of and assumptions about me and my life are completely wrong?


He has certainly jumped to conclusions in his dealings with you, but he has a point. $178,000 a year in any city is a more-than reasonable wage.
 
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