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2012-07-02 12:21:47 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.


They do now, thanks to Bill Clinton.
 
2012-07-02 12:23:08 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

The South had that same philosophy during the Civil war, which is why they decided to fight a defensive war. How'd that work out for them?



If you knew more history about that war than what you recall trying to sleep through in high school, you'd know how very close the South came on more than one occasion to seeing public and political pressure in the North force a cease fire. Typically, it was after a series of costly Union losses, usually in Northern Virginia (aka: just a few miles into the Confederacy).
 
2012-07-02 12:25:47 PM  

KidneyStone: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

Same thing i do with my SKS, AR 15, Saiga 12 and 22 match rifle. Shoot at targets. Sometimes paper, sometimes, sometimes explodey. Depends on what I feel like doing.

1/10


Yah, not to mention he hasn't watched the news in the last ten or so years.
 
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2012-07-02 12:26:20 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.


This is the part that got me. From the article, it sounds like it went off when he racked the slide. I know one sure way to make that happen, and it's when you use a metal file to convert a semi auto into a slamfire full auto. Or the sear is bad. That or he shot the guy. Either way, the article says that he had the gun worked on, it didn't say who did the working.
 
2012-07-02 12:39:16 PM  

aninconvenienterection: Father_Jack:
theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.


I belong to a private "sportsman's club" just down the street from my house. We have unstaffed ranges. To "qualify" for the range you must pass a basic safety orientation class (basically sit through a lecture).

I cringe whenever I drive in and find both ranges occupied. If I know who the shooter is I might step in next to him/her, but often I come back later. This isnt even a public range and I am still appalled at the lack of muzzle control and risky hot/cold range activities. I dont get anywhere near as much out of my practice when there is someone else on the range next to me- half of my attention is on them, and for good reason. What part of "step away from the line and keep your hands away from your guns when the range is cold" do people not understand?

Proper gun safety is really one of the simplest things you can learn and can easily become second nature if proper attention is paid to it from day 1. The problem is, if you arent in the habit of actively focusing on gun safety each and every time you touch a firearm, be it at home, in the woods, at the range, etc, you are less likely to notice when you are being unintentionally unsafe.

end rant.


I was watching American Guns on Discovery Channel and was appalled at the nonchalant way they were handling the firearms at the outdoor range. Holding fully automatic weapons in unsafe positions as they were testing them. Very unprofessional.
 
2012-07-02 12:42:09 PM  

tetsoushima: I just want to know, try not to be offended, do you have a below-average tallywhacker? Is that just a myth, or is there merit to it?


You tell me. You're the one that equates caliber with dick length.

Assuming you want a real answer as to why I went with the caliber I chose, here is why:

When you shoot a pure round ball, effectiveness is directly related to caliber. The bigger the ball, the more effective it is because it's heavier and larger. However, there is only so much velocity you can get from black powder, so a large round ball with a reasonable powder charge in a reasonable length gun is going to have a more arcing trajectory than a smaller ball, which can go faster initially, but which will lose energy much faster.

I sat down with a calculator, ballistics tables, and a couple of formulas to figure out which caliber I wanted. My idea was a deer rifle that I could use against bear, elk, or moose if I got the chance to do that. I settled on .54 caliber as a decently flat shooting caliber that would be effective enough with round ball against the larger cervids, and against black bear. A .45 or .50 caliber would have been fine for a pure deer rifle, or just a target gun, but I was looking for something I could use on something a bit larger if I decided to in the future. Given that the gun was built for me, to my measurements, you can see why I might want something that was more useful than a single-purpose gun.

The .62 caliber "gun that shall be mine" is a British Baker rifle. It's that size because that's the size they were back then, but ironically the gun is actually shorter than my long rifle (which is a 'transitional' one, shorter and of larger caliber than a "Golden Age" long rifle). The Baker is more akin to Germanic Jaeger rifle, very short barrelled and very large caliber.

Here are the two guns for comparison: Mine is the top one, the Baker is the bottom:

i54.tinypic.com

/Your prejudice is duly noted, however.
 
2012-07-02 12:46:37 PM  

dittybopper: tetsoushima: I just want to know, try not to be offended, do you have a below-average tallywhacker? Is that just a myth, or is there merit to it?

You tell me. You're the one that equates caliber with dick length.

Assuming you want a real answer as to why I went with the caliber I chose, here is why:

When you shoot a pure round ball, effectiveness is directly related to caliber. The bigger the ball, the more effective it is because it's heavier and larger. However, there is only so much velocity you can get from black powder, so a large round ball with a reasonable powder charge in a reasonable length gun is going to have a more arcing trajectory than a smaller ball, which can go faster initially, but which will lose energy much faster.

I sat down with a calculator, ballistics tables, and a couple of formulas to figure out which caliber I wanted. My idea was a deer rifle that I could use against bear, elk, or moose if I got the chance to do that. I settled on .54 caliber as a decently flat shooting caliber that would be effective enough with round ball against the larger cervids, and against black bear. A .45 or .50 caliber would have been fine for a pure deer rifle, or just a target gun, but I was looking for something I could use on something a bit larger if I decided to in the future. Given that the gun was built for me, to my measurements, you can see why I might want something that was more useful than a single-purpose gun.

The .62 caliber "gun that shall be mine" is a British Baker rifle. It's that size because that's the size they were back then, but ironically the gun is actually shorter than my long rifle (which is a 'transitional' one, shorter and of larger caliber than a "Golden Age" long rifle). The Baker is more akin to Germanic Jaeger rifle, very short barrelled and very large caliber.

Here are the two guns for comparison: Mine is the top one, the Baker is the bottom:

[i54.tinypic.com image 638x256]

/Your prejudice is duly noted, howe ...


Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.
 
2012-07-02 12:48:12 PM  

dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.


Aside from the OT involved, turning your "suburban fortress" into a fiery pile of rubble (with you & all your guns in it) isn't all that expensive in the grand scheme of things. And it'll quickly come to that if you piss them off enough... your cache of 7.62x39 notwithstanding.

*Is $630 too much to pay for a NIB MA legal WASR 10?
 
2012-07-02 12:50:57 PM  
Actually, that's a DO not a don't. Fewer irresponsible gun owners in our country, the better.

The more that bite the bullet, the better.
 
2012-07-02 12:55:06 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

The South had that same philosophy during the Civil war, which is why they decided to fight a defensive war. How'd that work out for them?


False. The Southern states started the war by firing on Fort Sumter.

Picking a fight isn't how you go about the strategy of "make it so expensive the other side won't try". That's like a weight-lifter claiming he bulks up so people won't fight him, then going to a bar and slapping random people upside the head.
 
2012-07-02 12:56:45 PM  
Stupid WASR.
 
2012-07-02 12:56:49 PM  
The fatal shot HAD to be an accident. An AK never hits anything you're actually aiming at.

/kidding
//not kidding
 
2012-07-02 12:56:58 PM  

tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.


Well glad to see you have your EIP since you are into such things.
 
2012-07-02 12:57:18 PM  

Magnanimous_J: a bad can of peaches could lead to bleeding to death from your anus.


Your words, they hypnotize and enthrall me. I am enchanted and wish to receive your affection newsletter.
 
2012-07-02 01:00:22 PM  

SupplySideJesus: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

Aside from the OT involved, turning your "suburban fortress" into a fiery pile of rubble (with you & all your guns in it) isn't all that expensive in the grand scheme of things. And it'll quickly come to that if you piss them off enough... your cache of 7.62x39 notwithstanding.

*Is $630 too much to pay for a NIB MA legal WASR 10?


OK, so that's one out of how many? That shiat gets *REAL* expensive really fast, in dollars, lives lost, and public opinion.

*Fark if I know, I'm a flintlock guy.
 
2012-07-02 01:05:11 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

The South had that same philosophy during the Civil war, which is why they decided to fight a defensive war. How'd that work out for them?


Well if I was fighting the US government today I'd look like a good little citizen and then blow infrastructure up. It is going to get might costly when gas goes to $8-10 dollars a gallon, because some asshole with a few home made bombs blows the shiat out of the pipe lines.

People in the hot states are going to be mighty pissed during the summer when some asshole with a few home made bombs blows the shiat out of the transmission wires and brings the electrical grid down.

Hell you don't even have to do large scale terrorist actions to have big effect if you have enough like minded people. Go to New York and simultaneously spread nails all over the bridges, tunnels, and other roads that are choke points during morning rush hour while at the same time setting off a couple of smoke bombs on the subways.

I'm currently living in St. Louis and if I really wanted to make a terrorist statement and scare the the civilians I'd do a drive by of Ted Drews ice cream stand when they are so busy people are standing in the street. I'd probably kill no more then 8-10 people, but the effect would be insane.
 
2012-07-02 01:06:36 PM  

Giltric: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well glad to see you have your EIP since you are into such things.


whoops.
 
2012-07-02 01:08:27 PM  

tetsoushima: Giltric: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well glad to see you have your EIP since you are into such things.

whoops.


Looks like I'll be swimming in dicks in no time at all!
 
2012-07-02 01:10:36 PM  

craig328: Magorn: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

The South had that same philosophy during the Civil war, which is why they decided to fight a defensive war. How'd that work out for them?


If you knew more history about that war than what you recall trying to sleep through in high school, you'd know how very close the South came on more than one occasion to seeing public and political pressure in the North force a cease fire. Typically, it was after a series of costly Union losses, usually in Northern Virginia (aka: just a few miles into the Confederacy).


They may have come close, and certainly the strength of McClellan's challenge to Lincoln for the nomination speaks to that (as do the Draft riots in NYC) but the simple fact is, the potato famine in Ireland, and the susequent waves of migration it caused, meant the North was never going to run out of recruits, and the industrial interests in the north were making too much money on the war for them to simply give up that money source without a fight. Combine that with the Taliban-like zeal of the northern abolitionists, and you know that stopping the war for more than a brief cease-fire was never a realistic option no matter what the Vox populi may have felt about it
 
2012-07-02 01:14:51 PM  

akula: Father_Jack: theres such a thing as an unstaffed range? jeebus.

Yes.

The Missouri Department of Conservation has a bunch of ranges around the state; only a few are actually staffed and maintained. The unmanned ones can be useful for shooting some things you can't at a more maintained range (like buckshot), but it's open to everybody. I've read numerous stories of people having a pleasant day at the range when a truck full of yahoos shows up and starts blasting away when people are downrange.

Some membership only clubs are also unstaffed, but those often require members and guests to voluntarily adhere to a code of conduct as a requirement for using the place. It sounds like they were at one of these kinds of ranges in TFA, only they weren't members and weren't supposed to be there at all.


Yep, the one near St Joe Ive had the same experience. Shooting with friends then a bunch of idiots show up and dont know the basics of gun safety.
 
2012-07-02 01:20:18 PM  

dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: dittybopper: SupplySideJesus: AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.

You'd be amazed (or more likely horrified) at how many "shooters" believe just that.

You don't have to be able to win, you just have to be able to make it so expensive that they won't try.

Aside from the OT involved, turning your "suburban fortress" into a fiery pile of rubble (with you & all your guns in it) isn't all that expensive in the grand scheme of things. And it'll quickly come to that if you piss them off enough... your cache of 7.62x39 notwithstanding.

*Is $630 too much to pay for a NIB MA legal WASR 10?

OK, so that's one out of how many? That shiat gets *REAL* expensive really fast, in dollars, lives lost, and public opinion.

*Fark if I know, I'm a flintlock guy.


So, by that logic, the ATF should've just packed up and left Waco after the first shots were fired? "Screw this guys, this is going to be way too expensive. Let's just go home."

If there's one thing the gubmint does well, it's blow shiat up... and they don't like being shot at all that much. Any responsible gun owner should know that the difference between a "collection" and an "arsenal" is the mentality of its owner... a distinction usually made after the smoke has cleared. They don't give a rat's ass about your second amendment rights, your family of four or your Gadsden flag. They just know you're an armed and dangerous fark and I promise you they'll act accordingly.
 
2012-07-02 01:24:36 PM  

tetsoushima: tetsoushima: Giltric: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well glad to see you have your EIP since you are into such things.

whoops.

Looks like I'll be swimming in dicks in no time at all!


Indeed! You will be beating them off with both hands before too long.
 
2012-07-02 01:29:27 PM  

tetsoushima: Looks like I'll be swimming in dicks in no time at all!


But you are already on fark
 
2012-07-02 01:30:15 PM  
Luckily, there is no plausible scenario in my foreseeable future that involves me being friends with someone who owns an AK-47.

That's not because I'm that adverse to guns. It's just because there is a very specific type of person who buys a recreational AK-47, generally (but not always, I'm not stereotyping here):
- is American
- speaks with a southern drawl
- owns and happily wears camouflage clothing despite having no actual need for it
- owns at least one pair of 'American flag' clothing
- thinks those songs country singers write when you go to war with other countries are cool
- pronounces 'arab' 'A-rab'
- brings up Obama more often in conversation than a freshly dumped guy brings up his ex-girlfriend


Ok, maybe I'm stereotyping. But those guys are farking retards of the highest order. An after-party for the special olympics track team at Pizza Hut would involve more interesting, and intelligent conversation than a room full of those mutants.

So yeah, I'm pretty safe on the 'friend shoots me with his AK-47' front...
 
2012-07-02 01:39:55 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: Luckily, there is no plausible scenario in my foreseeable future that involves me being friends with someone who owns an AK-47....Ok, maybe I'm stereotyping. ....


Yes, you are stereotyping. You would be very surprised to see who owns what kinds of guns.I am just as likely to run into a IT professional or an accountant at the range shooting an AK as I am camo-wearing redneck. Guns are fun to shoot, period, and there is no telling who is going to get bit by the shooting bug.
 
2012-07-02 01:40:00 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.


That's what I came here to say.

/the Internet told me so
 
2012-07-02 01:40:25 PM  

Primum: Fewer irresponsible gun owners in our country, the better.


By all known accounts, the irresponsible gun owner is the one that is still alive.
 
2012-07-02 01:46:53 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


In other news, plinking is fun.

/shockingly enough, people sometimes just own things because they're enjoyable
 
2012-07-02 01:48:42 PM  

SupplySideJesus: They just know you're an armed and dangerous fark and I promise you they'll act accordingly.


Sometimes you don't even have to be dangerous for them to 'act accordingly'. Just ask Randy Weaver.

On the bright side, a whole pile of things changed after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The liklihood of these happening again are very much reduced. Expect to see more of a Freeman-type standoff now as opposed to these other two debacles.
 
2012-07-02 01:54:05 PM  

H31N0US: tetsoushima: Looks like I'll be swimming in dicks in no time at all!

But you are already on fark


I guess you could say I'm already balls-deep.
 
2012-07-02 02:28:20 PM  

HeadLever: SupplySideJesus: They just know you're an armed and dangerous fark and I promise you they'll act accordingly.

Sometimes you don't even have to be dangerous for them to 'act accordingly'. Just ask Randy Weaver.

On the bright side, a whole pile of things changed after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The liklihood of these happening again are very much reduced. Expect to see more of a Freeman-type standoff now as opposed to these other two debacles.


The end result will always be the same my friend, regardless of the means. You'll either walk out, or you'll be carried out. But you will come out. This simple fact cannot be disputed (regardless of how much ammo you've stockpiled) and has always led me to wonder what the keyboard commandos are hoping to accomplish with their "from my cold dead hands" BS. Because ironically, that's exactly how it'd go down.
 
2012-07-02 02:36:02 PM  
SupplySideJesus:

*Is $630 too much to pay for a NIB MA legal WASR 10?

That is about $200 over what they go for here in a Free state, but the premium may be worth it to you due to the limited number available for legal sale in MA

/ paid $289 for a WASR-10 in early '08
// traded even up for a $900 O/U 20ga shotgun Dec '08 - thanks Obama!
 
2012-07-02 02:40:02 PM  

tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.


Well you should fit right in with the anti-gun crowd then.
 
2012-07-02 02:40:43 PM  

SupplySideJesus: The end result will always be the same my friend,. . . You'll either . .


Does not compute. Coming out alive is a little different than coming out dead. Of course you will come out. The objective is never to stay holed up forever.
 
2012-07-02 02:42:00 PM  

umad: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well you should fit right in with the anti-gun crowd then.


I'm not anti-gun, i'm just pro-penis.
 
2012-07-02 02:43:11 PM  

tetsoushima: umad: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well you should fit right in with the anti-gun crowd then.

I'm not anti-gun, i'm just pro-penis.


Isn't that the title of a Kinky Friedman song?
 
2012-07-02 02:46:15 PM  

Father_Jack: the range i used to go at the range master wouldve stomped the guts out of the guy for being on the bench when people are down range or the other guy for going downrange when the range is still hot.


THIS.

The primary rangemaster at the range I used to go to in my youth was a WWII Marine vet. Well into his 70s, spry as ever and eagle-eyed. Man brooked no shiat on his range, and most of the regulars wouldn't have had it any other way. I didn't see it personally, but some folks I knew saw him tackle a guy who was handling a weapon while the range was clear.
 
2012-07-02 02:51:56 PM  
I'll never understand the auto-hate that pops up on any story about guns.
Especially those involving range accidents (which are more about poor safety practices than the right to bear arms) because they can happen anywhere in the world.

People would probably be surprised to know that you can legally own a gun in any country if:
A) You are rich.
B) You were born a family member of the douchbag ruling class.
or
C) You are a paid henchman for A or B.

The only difference in the US is we've given everyone an equal right to enjoy the same hobbies.

/It takes an odd kind of person to be in favor of having fewer privileges.
 
2012-07-02 02:53:16 PM  

tetsoushima: umad: tetsoushima: Oh, I don't know anything about guns. I am far more interested in penises.

Well you should fit right in with the anti-gun crowd then.

I'm not anti-gun, i'm just pro-penis.


They are pro-penis too so you have some common ground. They do prefer the large penises though. They can be downright rude to somebody if they think that person has a small penis.

I think they should just be more careful about stretching out their butt-holes so much so they don't have to be so picky, but what do I know? Maybe stretching it out like sleeve of wizard is just an unavoidable consequence of routine buttsecks. I can't say for sure, because unlike them, I don't pretend to be an expert in things that I have no experience in.
 
2012-07-02 02:56:47 PM  

KierzanDax: malaktaus: Apparently before our unit got there the 101st had also found numerous weapons caches in the area, but instead of merely confiscating them they would occasionally replace the regular ammunition with ammo provided by the CIA, in which the gunpowder had been replaced by C4 so that it would explode when fired.

I call bullshiat.

The "CIA spiking ammo" urban myth has been around since Vietnam. A rifle primer doesn't have the energy needed to detonate the C4.

Someone just didn't want you guys having fun!


You lack significant knowledge on the subject. It takes a lot less energy than you seem to think to set off C4. Allow me to explain how you would go about this in the real world.

Take 7.65 ammo and disassemble. Pour out 90% of the powder, and install a very small wad against what is left. Pack the rest with C4 (over pack it a bit), now CAREFULLY re-compress the round.

When that round is fired, the primer sets off the powder charge, which easily sets off the C4 (I'm pretty sure the primer will do it all by itself though). Doubly so because C4 is pressure and heat sensitive.

You can also pressure form C4 into shapes, like bullets for instance. ;)
 
2012-07-02 03:02:33 PM  

i.r.id10t: SupplySideJesus:

*Is $630 too much to pay for a NIB MA legal WASR 10?

That is about $200 over what they go for here in a Free state, but the premium may be worth it to you due to the limited number available for legal sale in MA

/ paid $289 for a WASR-10 in early '08
// traded even up for a $900 O/U 20ga shotgun Dec '08 - thanks Obama!


Limited number is an understatement. But there's only so much I'm willing to pay for the most over-produced weapon in history, and a stamped version at that.

And my point, HeadLever, is to never let it get to that point in the first place... because you're always going to lose.
 
2012-07-02 03:06:33 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Seriously, though. What the fark are you going to do with an AK47? You going to take on the government when it comes to take your guns away? LOL.


Target shoot, hunt, or defend my home just as I would with any other semi-automatic rifle, because that's what it is and no more, just looks a bit different.
 
2012-07-02 03:07:30 PM  

SupplySideJesus: is to never let it get to that point in the first place... because you're always going to lose.


And my original point is that sometimes your choices in the matter are sometimes limited. Again, just ask Randy Weaver.

/though he and his family did walk away with a couple million so I guess that is somewhat of a consolation prize in the matter.
 
2012-07-02 03:08:12 PM  

Mister Peejay: OldManDownDRoad: Obviously faked. Everyone knows that AKs never jam.

That's what I came here to say.

/the Internet told me so


I learned mine from the movies:

Run for it Marty!!!!!!

www.imfdb.org
 
2012-07-02 03:42:37 PM  

aninconvenienterection: .I am just as likely to run into a IT professional or an accountant at the range shooting an AK as I am camo-wearing redneck.


As an IT professional and camo-wearing redneck, allow me to point out that those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2012-07-02 03:50:08 PM  

dittybopper: aninconvenienterection: .I am just as likely to run into a IT professional or an accountant at the range shooting an AK as I am camo-wearing redneck.

As an IT professional and camo-wearing redneck, allow me to point out that those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.


Statistically speaking, though, he's 100% accurate in your case; you provide the 1:1 ratio of IT Professional:camo-wearing redneck he suggests. ;-)
 
2012-07-02 03:52:51 PM  

stevarooni: dittybopper: aninconvenienterection: .I am just as likely to run into a IT professional or an accountant at the range shooting an AK as I am camo-wearing redneck.

As an IT professional and camo-wearing redneck, allow me to point out that those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Statistically speaking, though, he's 100% accurate in your case; you provide the 1:1 ratio of IT Professional:camo-wearing redneck he suggests. ;-)


Even better, while I'm not an accountant per se, I've written custom accounting software.
 
2012-07-02 03:56:14 PM  

way south: /It takes an odd kind of person to be in favor of having fewer privileges.


Most of the free world is "odd" by your definition.

I know you can't and won't ever understand it but before you jump in with "they're all wrong and we're right" you might just think about it for a minute. Your way is not the only right way to run a country.
 
2012-07-02 04:12:59 PM  

Jument: way south: /It takes an odd kind of person to be in favor of having fewer privileges.

Most of the free world is "odd" by your definition.

I know you can't and won't ever understand it but before you jump in with "they're all wrong and we're right" you might just think about it for a minute. Your way is not the only right way to run a country.


That's true, of course. There are many ways to run a country. Some good, some bad, but few others have stood for 223 years.
 
2012-07-02 04:36:33 PM  

dittybopper: stevarooni: dittybopper: aninconvenienterection: .I am just as likely to run into a IT professional or an accountant at the range shooting an AK as I am camo-wearing redneck.

As an IT professional and camo-wearing redneck, allow me to point out that those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Statistically speaking, though, he's 100% accurate in your case; you provide the 1:1 ratio of IT Professional:camo-wearing redneck he suggests. ;-)

Even better, while I'm not an accountant per se, I've written custom accounting software.


Good god man, you are the perfect storm of AK ownership!
 
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